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SqzMyLemon -> RE: Pearl Harbour hit hard by KB... (10/30/2009 5:37:02 PM)

Hi Aztez,

I'm new to the site and after recently buying the game I quickly discovered the learning curve to be steep. I've been following your AAR, and the comments from other site members has been a great way to get a feel for the game, having never played WITP previously. Great job on your postings with all the screen shots, combat reports and such, it really makes it easy to follow your campaign and learn about the game mechanics and strategies. Good luck the rest of the way and I'll be following along...like a sponge absorbing all the details! I've just started a U.S. campaign against a Japanese AI opponent to get my feet wet. Anyone like to school a newbie via PBEM? Great forum and group of people, I look forward to being a part of it.





LoBaron -> RE: Pearl Harbour hit hard by KB... (10/30/2009 7:02:55 PM)

Welcome to the forums SqzMyLemon!
And yes even as a WitP "vet" you can learn much in this AAR. [;)]
The learning curve flattens but it never really stops....




Rob Brennan UK -> RE: Pearl Harbour hit hard by KB... (10/30/2009 7:55:40 PM)

Flattens to a 60% slope from an 89% one [;)]

the more i read your AAR Aztez the more scared i am of PBEM [:D]. Not the actaul game but the time spent agonising over should i or should'nt i moves and then realising its 2AM. Im thinking of doing an AAR too (more time), any theroetical physcists here that can help me stretch a day by a few hours more [8D]

and dont panic over china, its so vastly differant from Witp that i think there isnt a consensus of 'best policy' here. Even if it does crumble in 43 just makes the rest of the game more interesting imo.

Have fun with the kids over the weekend too, trick or treat made it to your neck of the woods yet ? I'm hiding in tomorrow with all the lights off [;)]




aztez -> RE: Pearl Harbour hit hard by KB... (10/30/2009 8:04:37 PM)

The last couple days has been quiet in all fronts. Few short notes though....

- Japanese have seized Wyndham in north coast of Oz. The operation is coved by CV Junyo and other mini KB ships.

- CV Wasp has arrived and it is headed for the west coast with heavy escorts around her.

Otherwise no major developments to comment.


crsutton: I know but the it doesn't feel good to get short stick at china. The theatre is definately not an sideshow in AE nor it was in witp.

There simply are way too many troops that enemy can move out. I proposed that the maxium av should at 2000av anywhere but Manchuko. I need to discuss this with Dave once it becomes more imminent.

Otherwise I think the raw sketch I drew few post back is the way to go. I do not see me holding out along the railway system. It is his territory.

At the moment inclined to leave just enough troops behind so that the industrial assets would be damaged.

Noted that Ankang is not recieving any supplies. It has been this way a longtime so definately not worth keeping troops there.

Hmmm, your seem to be going through the same shock treatment if your opponent has already seized Changhsa and Sian. Another good example why it is propably and good idea to pull out and towards inner china.

That decision needs to be done either by next turn or following one. After that it is too late.

I asked Dave that ceasefire to be extended into end of june 1942. The movement rates are just plain awful.

SqzMyLemon: Thank you and most importantly welcome to the forums. Good to hear that you have liked the AAR so far.

Basically I could have posted the same words you did few years back, I was ready to abandon/give up on the game but started reading AAR's and here I still am.

The AI is much tougher in AE so that should be an good way to get your feet wet.

Take your time and once you feel you got he basics I recommend an shorter PBEM scenario. You will find that these forums are friendly place to be, That itself is an miracle if you look at other places around the internet.

Nice to have you onboard.

LoBaron: That is an good summary. It is nice to see new people enjoying the game.

Rob: Be scared... be very scared! Just kidding around!

I would love to read about your and LoBarons adventures so an AAR would be nice ofcourse if you can spare the time.

I did ask an extra two weeks and as stated to crsutton I think abandoning the railways is most likely thing to do. Eventhough I will lose resource centers. Maybe leave maxium amount of engineers there to do damage the industrial assets. Btw, he has captured a lot of bases 95-100% intact. At least in DEI! That is odd.

Yeah, Halloween is here but it is not an big event. I did live in Alabama in early 90's and you cannot compare it by any means.

Appreciated and most definately had already an enjoyable evening. The girls just snoozed off so few hours to myself now.




aztez -> RE: Pearl Harbour hit hard by KB... (10/30/2009 8:05:29 PM)

Fiji (june 9th - 10th 1942)


The battle has now taken a "wrong turn". This is simply because our airforce were either drinking whiskey on the beaches or were enjoying the time with local women.

The only airstrike we launched was againts PC ship which naturally was sunk. That is not good since there were plenty of targets spotted by our SBD's unloading at Nadi.

Oh, well that has happened in the classic witp too. Unfortunately that means Dave will seize the Suva quite quickly since he has unloaded 17 units already.

I have another go next round and maybe we can spot something and sunk them. Only adjustment was that I gave an secondary target to the bombers.

Lets see what happens. Oh, and the KB has left or at least our patrols have lost contact. I guess it is about time it heads out towards Truk for replenishment.

[image]local://upfiles/15617/C7B258BCE54B4C1C99BEF53AD7BC144F.jpg[/image]




aztez -> June 1942 (10/30/2009 8:06:16 PM)

Burma (june 9th - 10th 1942)


RAF have flow strikes againts Mandalay / Schwebo area in past few days. There has been no enemy opposition reported.

I have kept bombing Mandalay because at least I burn his supplies here and the this base is kind of an hub if you look at the map.

Japanese have kept their airforce at Rangoon. There are also quite a few ships docked at port if recon is to be believed.

[image]local://upfiles/15617/B431F351272C4620B9F03E3FF1CC4950.jpg[/image]




Yamato_Blitzer -> RE: June 1942 (10/30/2009 10:20:30 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LoBaron

No id never pull out without a fight there. Its a good location for a counterattack and you give up fortresses for free.
you got a lot of units there its a matter of supply though if you can stage one.
So the critical point is to keep the west. thats the only area where you can fly supplies in.
if you can do both its better naturally, if you cant the west is more important than any frontline city IMO.

also can you do recon to check if he depleted his forces in the south to stage the attack on Sian?


Edit: im just trying to see things from the Japanese side. If i dont want to go India then steamrolling western China with my
Burma army would be a very lucrative option. Basically if i capture Kunming then the war in China is over.
And remember he HAS a couple of AV´s in Burma.

those forts arent being given up, many of them are already lost, lol, not yet in a literal sense, but they are lost





Yamato_Blitzer -> RE: June 1942 (10/30/2009 10:26:33 PM)

Aztez: im sorry i dont mean to argue. i figured maybe you changed your mind and said "hey this is the set up now" lol, good to know you arent doing that.




LoBaron -> RE: June 1942 (10/30/2009 11:19:00 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Yamato_Blitzer

quote:

ORIGINAL: LoBaron

No id never pull out without a fight there. Its a good location for a counterattack and you give up fortresses for free.
you got a lot of units there its a matter of supply though if you can stage one.
So the critical point is to keep the west. thats the only area where you can fly supplies in.
if you can do both its better naturally, if you cant the west is more important than any frontline city IMO.

also can you do recon to check if he depleted his forces in the south to stage the attack on Sian?


Edit: im just trying to see things from the Japanese side. If i dont want to go India then steamrolling western China with my
Burma army would be a very lucrative option. Basically if i capture Kunming then the war in China is over.
And remember he HAS a couple of AV´s in Burma.

those forts arent being given up, many of them are already lost, lol, not yet in a literal sense, but they are lost




Aztez has to slow him down. Slowing him down means to force him to concentrate large numbers of forces.
Level 5 forts do this.
..and free forces to hold other areas. or counterattack. [;)]




SuluSea -> RE: June 1942 (10/31/2009 2:28:09 AM)

How are your submarines doing as a whole? Did the April upgrade have any noticable effects?

I had troops sitting behind level 5 forts and they are shattered just like the rest that stood and fought for cities I felt was important Changsha being one of them. I'll be the first to say I'm no brilliant strategist but building forts in China is a complete waste of supply the end result is the same, actually one could argue that more troops are lost sitting behind large forts after a week of bombardments than getting routed out into the countryside after the IJA deathstar enters a level two fortified city.




ADB123 -> RE: Pearl Harbour hit hard by KB... (10/31/2009 4:19:47 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: aztez

Fiji (june 9th - 10th 1942)


The battle has now taken a "wrong turn". This is simply because our airforce were either drinking whiskey on the beaches or were enjoying the time with local women.

The only airstrike we launched was againts PC ship which naturally was sunk. That is not good since there were plenty of targets spotted by our SBD's unloading at Nadi.

Oh, well that has happened in the classic witp too. Unfortunately that means Dave will seize the Suva quite quickly since he has unloaded 17 units already.

I have another go next round and maybe we can spot something and sunk them. Only adjustment was that I gave an secondary target to the bombers.

Lets see what happens. Oh, and the KB has left or at least our patrols have lost contact. I guess it is about time it heads out towards Truk for replenishment.

[image]local://upfiles/15617/C7B258BCE54B4C1C99BEF53AD7BC144F.jpg[/image]


By any chance, were any of your CVs spotted as they slipped away?

Maybe the KB is racing after your CVs now that the Japanese troops are on the ground.

You might want to send your CVs more toward the Antarctic just in case you are being followed.




Rob Brennan UK -> RE: Pearl Harbour hit hard by KB... (10/31/2009 6:37:18 PM)

I wonder if Daves being sneaky and LR capping the transports and leaving a few PB boats bobbing about with no cap to attract the naval bonbers ?

I also suspect that overloading the airfield is coming to haunt you , maybe put some sqds on rest (3) as iirc they count as 1/3r'd or nil for stacking if resting. and No KB means you dont need all the fighters on high CAP %. .. just a thought. More fighter escort may overcome any latent LRCAP by the magic % and the bombers then fly to the transports.

Pure speculation on my part here though.




LoBaron -> RE: Pearl Harbour hit hard by KB... (10/31/2009 7:43:44 PM)

Hehe not bad Rob. Was thinking in a similar direction.
Maybe he doesnt even need to LRCAP if he moved many fighters in and
set em to 100% CAP to protect the transports.
Aztez did you have a low percentage of fighters on escort duty?

ADB123: i think Aztez said something about moving his
carriers to PH.
With the KB down at least 1/3rd i wouldnt dare to come near
this place in summer 42´.




seydlitz_slith -> RE: Pearl Harbour hit hard by KB... (10/31/2009 8:20:27 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LoBaron

Maybe he doesnt even need to LRCAP if he moved many fighters in and
set em to 100% CAP to protect the transports.


That is a good trick. As Japan, sometimes the best use of Nates is to fly a bunch of them into a base so the fighter numbers are higher. When the magical recon plane flies over they count the numerous fighters, go back and tell the bomber unit commanders who then say...."no way we are going there. Too many fighters."




aztez -> RE: Pearl Harbour hit hard by KB... (10/31/2009 9:12:00 PM)

Yamato_Blitzer: I'am not giving up but just trying to make most out of the situation around the map.

No need for apology or such since I didn't even know we were arguing! Good debate is what needed on every issue. That is just an positive thing.

The setup I showed was just the current positions of troops and by no means was it an strategic plan.

LoBaron: I checked and we actually have level 6 forts at Changhsa.I did the turn but I'am still undecieded whether to "abandon" Changhsa area. It is an two edge sword.

There are marching into northern part and we can put up an tough defense there yet again soon. Otherwise still 50/50 for the best strategy in china.

Well, I don't need to slow him down. Basically I need to stop him for good. The counterstrikes are out of the picture since no means to supply such an effort.

I will post an pic tomorrow describing the chinese front even more detail.

The fighters at Fijis are around 50% CAP and 10% rest.

SuluSea: They are doing better but no means are they deadly yet. I will post more about this now that you mentioned. (Made an note to check things out try an do that on tomorrows update). I know seydlitz is intrested in this area of the war.

How much did you have behind lvl 5 forts at Changhsa? I think the railways are the burden. He can shift troops in quickly and give units rests in nearby bases which are well supplied nodoubt.

That is why I'am seriously considering abandoding our defenses at the railway lines.

ABD123: I don't think he spotted any of the carriers. It was touch and go operation and these ships were not ordered to lurk outside Fijis.

I did alter the seach vectors manually for the upcoming turn so we shall see whether there is some indication of his naval assets. I think these carriers had to withdraw towards Truk. They were heavily involved in action and must replenish.

The US carriers are well on their way towards safety.

Rob: That was the good old trick in the classic Witp. Thank god these ships do not attract the same level of attention with AE.

That speculation might have hit nail 100%. He has now enough lba fighters and bombers to give an KB much needed break and also he has landed enough troops at Nadi.

seydlitz: Indeed and I have seen this happen few times for me too.

The fighters take into their own judgement and start providing CAP for naval assets and TF's. I guess that is what happened RL too so no complaints here.

Btw, your AAR getting few bullets and bombs consumed!




aztez -> June 1942 (10/31/2009 9:12:58 PM)

Northern Australia (june 11th - 12th 1942)


The invasion has now "officially" begun. On the morning on 11th large japanese TF moved into Wyndham and started unloading troops and supplies.

This operation has Mini KB's full attention.

I had some 100 bombers at Katherine which were set on naval strikes.

The results are hard to judge since FOW is so strong in AE. These are the bombing runs that recorded "hits".

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Wyndham at 71,126

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 48 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 11
Ki-27b Nate x 4
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 3



Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 7
Beaufort V x 6
Hudson I x 15
Hudson III (LR) x 10
B-17D Fortress x 3
B-17E Fortress x 6
B-26 Marauder x 6


No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 1 damaged
Beaufort V: 2 destroyed
Hudson I: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Hudson III (LR): 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
APD Hagi
APD Fuji
xAP Kobe Maru
xAK Ginyo Maru
xAP Naminoue Maru
xAK Nagara Maru
CVE Hosho
xAP Hakusan Maru
xAP Baikal Maru
xAK Kunitu Maru
xAK Kamogawa Maru
AK Sagami Maru
xAK Hakubasan Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
APD Aoi
xAK Kensin Maru

Japanese ground losses:
53 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Wyndham at 71,126

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9
Ki-27b Nate x 4
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 3



Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 8
Beaufort V x 3
Hudson I x 12
Hudson III (LR) x 9
B-17D Fortress x 3
B-17E Fortress x 6
B-26 Marauder x 3


No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 1 damaged
Hudson I: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged
Hudson III (LR): 2 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAK Kogyoku Maru
CL Tama
xAK Kensin Maru
xAP Baikal Maru
xAK Kosin Maru
xAP Huso Maru
xAP Hakozaki Maru
xAP Suwa Maru
xAP Huzi Maru
xAK Toho Maru
xAK Toko Maru
xAK Fushimi Maru

Japanese ground losses:
242 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)


...intresting and as said noway to tell what the actual damage is here. Propably not too much achieved here.

Dave is providing fighter cover from his carriers and from lba fighters.

I haven't moved any major troops into northern oz and I have no intention of doing so since he controls New Caledionia.

It seems he might be trying to move via land into Katherine and cut the Darwin out this way. Less risky this would be at least.

[image]local://upfiles/15617/27594DCEB8F9483C8E0934E16510096D.jpg[/image]




aztez -> RE: June 1942 (10/31/2009 9:14:39 PM)

Fiji (june 11th - 12th 1942)


KB has vanished. I did alter the search vectors for the next turn though.

I still think the carriers are heading to Truk after hard fough battle.

Allied airforfce launched an strike againts Nadi.

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Afternoon Air attack on Nadi , at 131,160

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 14



Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 7
SBC-4 Helldiver x 24
SBD-3 Dauntless x 36


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 2 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
SBC-4 Helldiver: 2 damaged
SBD-3 Dauntless: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)




Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 6
Port hits 1

Dave mentioned that he didn't have any transport in the area in past two days.

That is an odd statement since my SBD's made several sightings and his troops totals have increased significantly. To me this is war propaganda ofcourse it could be FOW too.

It has been quiet here in past few days. That would indicate to me that Dave is satisfied here with his supply levels and av strenght.

[image]local://upfiles/15617/AA25858A101343B583A5A4F599FD0640.jpg[/image]




LoBaron -> RE: June 1942 (11/1/2009 10:51:31 AM)

Aztez how high is the mdl of Nadi? Id fly recons until you get it at least as high as 6, then you can make an educated guess.
Otherewise...any chance of closing the airstrip there? At least it would be Wildcats against Oscars this time.
As its only small you could accomplish that with DB´s only (or maybe with some additional B17 LR flights).
If your supply situation is ok at Suva id harrass him at Nadi as strong as i could.





LoBaron -> RE: June 1942 (11/1/2009 11:58:42 AM)

Hm Australia.
I wonder if it wasnt a mistake invading at Wyndham (compared to Darwin)

Small Base (if you didnt build it up for him) and you can easily close it down with subs, or
at least make it hard for him to reeinforce.
Worst case you could get som AK´s on the way out.
Hows your Darwin AF looking?




seydlitz_slith -> RE: June 1942 (11/1/2009 5:39:15 PM)

Wyndham may not be a bad place to land. The terrain is highly defensible with a smaller force as compared to Darwin. My guess is that he will work on building the airfield up here and using it to dominate the area. As soon as he is established here he can easily go back and take Darwin.




aztez -> RE: June 1942 (11/1/2009 7:39:27 PM)

LoBaron: mdl? I guess that you are referring to detection levels?

I did launch couple airstrikes againts Nadi last two turn. More details about it on the combat report section of this update. It looks like it will tough nut to close down.

I might fly in an B17E squadron to try to do the job from Christmas Island. Next turn only naval strikes are ordered since there are now more targets available.

I don't think Wyndham is an bad place to land at all. It is has road connection towards Katherine and thus it is safer route to isolate Darwin. I have kept bombing it even with heavy losses to myself.

seydlitz: Agreed. Wyndham is an good place to land since I doubt any allied player have units defending it. Also it has road connection to Katherine and the airfield has good position to be used againts any sizeable Oz base in the region.

Again, low risk and high gain operation done by Dave.




aztez -> RE: June 1942 (11/1/2009 7:40:13 PM)

Northern Oz (june 15th - 16th 1942)


We have kept bombing Wyndham even without the escorts available.

The idea is to keep him on his toes here and also because it seems that this is the main landing site in northern oz.

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Morning Air attack on Wyndham , at 70,127

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 17
Ki-27b Nate x 3
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 25



Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 12
Hudson I x 6
Hudson III (LR) x 9
B-26 Marauder x 3


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 damaged
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-27b Nate: 2 damaged
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 5 damaged
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 8 damaged
Hudson I: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
Hudson III (LR): 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
B-26 Marauder: 1 destroyed



Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 8

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Morning Air attack on Wyndham , at 70,127

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18
Ki-27b Nate x 3
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 22



Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 6
Hudson I x 6
Hudson III (LR) x 7
B-17E Fortress x 3
B-26 Marauder x 3


No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
Hudson I: 4 destroyed
Hudson III (LR): 4 destroyed
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged
B-26 Marauder: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

These raids wohn't be conducted for long though since casualties are mounting but for time being I'am doing this.

CV Junyo and other carriers vanished propably towards Timor since the main invasion TF propably had its unloading complete.

There are some 14 units and 20 000 already there. That is if the recon is to be believed.

[image]local://upfiles/15617/B90E556169174313B39C3E8CF4AA2AA8.jpg[/image]




aztez -> RE: June 1942 (11/1/2009 7:40:57 PM)

Fiji (june 15th - 16th 1942)


The battle here took an new twist last turn when his battleships showed up at Nadi.

Our airforce took off and unfortunately wasn't able to hit anything according to the combat report.

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Nadi at 131,160

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 12
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 35



Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 21
SBD-3 Dauntless x 13


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 2 destroyed
SBD-3 Dauntless: 4 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Yamashiro
BB Kirishima
BB Hiei



Aircraft Attacking:
13 x SBD-3 Dauntless diving from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
Chitose Ku S-1 with A6M2 Zero (3 airborne, 9 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(3 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters between 13000 and 25000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
9th Sentai with Ki-43-Ic Oscar (4 airborne, 13 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(4 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 16 minutes
9 planes vectored on to bombers
24th Sentai with Ki-43-Ic Oscar (4 airborne, 14 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(4 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 18000 , scrambling fighters between 3000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes
6 planes vectored on to bombers

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Nadi at 131,160

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 11
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 32



Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 18
SBD-3 Dauntless x 12


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 6 destroyed
SBD-3 Dauntless: 4 destroyed, 6 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Hyuga
BB Hiei
BB Kirishima



Aircraft Attacking:
8 x SBD-3 Dauntless diving from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
Chitose Ku S-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(3 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 25000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes
3 planes vectored on to bombers
9th Sentai with Ki-43-Ic Oscar (0 airborne, 12 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(4 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 12000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 22 minutes
24th Sentai with Ki-43-Ic Oscar (0 airborne, 12 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(4 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 18000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 13000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes


...the SBD's were set on 10 000 feet and escorts were at 18 000 feet. Now the SBD alltitude is changed into 15 000 feet for the upcoming turn.

What the airforce was unable to do well the Dutch submarine did...

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Sub attack near Nadi at 131,160

Japanese Ships
BB Kirishima, Torpedo hits 1
BB Yamashiro
DD Hatsushima
DD Yunagi
DD Asagiri

Allied Ships
SS KVII, hits 5



SS KVII launches 2 torpedoes at BB Kirishima
KVII bottoming out ....
DD Yunagi fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Asagiri fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Asagiri fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Asagiri attacking submerged sub ....
DD Asagiri cannot reach attack position SS KVII over
DD Asagiri fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Asagiri fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

I think that is an confirmed hit since Dave mentioned that "I got an small victory at end of turn". This is what he was referring to.

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aztez -> RE: June 1942 (11/1/2009 7:41:49 PM)

Submarine warfare (1st May - 15th June 1942)


What do you guys think if I would compile monthly summary of submarine "victories" so far?

I went through the combat reports from the beginning of may and up to current date.

Succesfull offensives:

may 17th SS Salmon launches 4 torpedoes at xAK Surabaya Maru near Pagan.
may 27th SS S-36 launches 4 torpedoes at E Kunashiri near Luganville.
june 10th SS Growler launches 6 torpedoes at xAK Hirota Maru near Marcus Island.
june 11th SS Halibut launches 4 torpedoes at xAKL Misaki Maru near Aogashima.
june 15th SS KVII launches 2 torpedoes at BB Kirishima near Nadi.

Unsuccesfull offensive:

may 10th SS Gudgeon launched againts enemy TF near Marcus Island.
may 11th SS Gudgeon launches 6 torpedoes at CMc Ninoshima near Marcus Island
may 12th SS Nautilus launches 4 torpedoes at xAKL Daiten Maru near Marcus Island. (sub damaged by ASW)
may 23rd SS Silversides launches 4 torpedoes at xAKL Aiyo Maru near Savaii.
may 24th SS Silversides launches 6 torpedoes at xAKL Aiyo Maru near Savaii. (sub damaged by 5 depth charges)
june 12th SS Halibut launches 6 torpedoes at xAK Azuchisan Maru near Aogashima.

That is the submarine action. There has been numerous ASW assaults made but didn't copy them here.

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seydlitz_slith -> RE: June 1942 (11/1/2009 7:47:57 PM)

Looks like Dave is patrolling with his ASW forces in exactly the same places that I patrol as Japan. Good job on placing your subs in the boxes below that area. It's like fishing, at some point you will get a good bite.




crsutton -> RE: June 1942 (11/2/2009 12:36:49 AM)

aztez,

A couple of Allied supply questions. At this point is it necessary for the Allies to move supplies from the East Coast through the Canal or does the supply flow fast enough on the rail system?

And, should the Allied player be sending large supply convoys from the east coast to Cape Town or do the Brits get enough with the regular convoys that arrive there periodically?





Yamato_Blitzer -> RE: June 1942 (11/2/2009 5:58:14 AM)

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Sardaukar -> RE: June 1942 (11/2/2009 7:39:18 AM)

If you have reasonable number if fighters available in Suva, might be useful to try to see if fighter sweeps would cause attrition to his fighters in Nadi. Maybe trying it once to see if you can get favourable kill-ratio.




LoBaron -> RE: June 1942 (11/2/2009 8:18:27 AM)

Aztez: about the dl: yes and no.
if i understand this right the mdl is a function of how much the dl was raised but it deteriorates slower.
dl is for hitting/finding targets
mdl is for report accuracy/reliability
so 10000 reported troops at a mdl of 5 could mean a true number between 5000 and 15000 troops.
At least thats how i understand it.

seydlitz: you are much further into the game than me so i lack the experience there but:

If he wants to go Australia he needs to land sufficient troops to defend the north anyway. Going to Darwin takes
the best place in northern Australia from the allies and he gets a good LBA base combined with a decent port.
So attcking Wyndham would only make sense in a 2 pronged assault with the other attack simultaneousely hitting Darwin imo.
Then he could use Darwin as the primary and Wyndham as a R&R/Bomber Base, if he got air/naval superiority there he could
shuttle ships between the bases.
But in this case id invade Darwin first and keep an option for Wyndham later or as a secondary target of the invasion.  

Without attacking Darwin Wyndham is just a dead end place, if i was Allies id even ignore it when the time for a counterattack
comes and only take it back when its been cut off for a time.

Do i miss something here? [&:]

Anyways i guess that Darwin has to be VERY alert from now on.




Smeulders -> RE: June 1942 (11/2/2009 9:03:31 AM)

I'd say that getting a decent land force ashore in Wyndham makes a defence of Darwin very dangerous. He's threatening to cut off all LCUs in Darwin when he attacks Katherine. Even putting a force in Katherine can be fatal if they decide to retreat North when (if) defeated. It's also not impossible to bring in convoys with a low threat of air attacks. He can route them from Koepang, straight South and then hugging the coast, that way he keeps out of the way of most short legged bombers.

My guess is that he's looking to start a ground offensive quite soon with the forces he has landed.




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