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aztez -> RE: July 1942 (11/8/2009 3:02:58 PM)

The intel screen....

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aztez -> RE: July 1942 (11/8/2009 3:04:06 PM)

Aircraft losses....

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aztez -> RE: July 1942 (11/8/2009 3:04:54 PM)

Allied fighter pools...

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aztez -> RE: July 1942 (11/8/2009 3:05:44 PM)

Allied bomber pools...

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aztez -> RE: July 1942 (11/8/2009 3:07:25 PM)

Top aces... (Notice that RAF has been heavily involved)

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aztez -> RE: July 1942 (11/8/2009 3:08:24 PM)

We managed to few quick turn last night. This is the period where both sides are preparing for the upcoming years ahead.

The progress with this PBEM is steady.

China (june 30th - july 5th 1942)


The ceasefire here is over. No major ground assauls as of yet but the enemy air recon/bombing campaign is intensive,

I did mark the bases bombed and reconed in past few days.

As for where is he moving, Well, I have no idea nor intel. Changhsa seems somewhat obvious choise though.

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aztez -> RE: July 1942 (11/8/2009 3:09:26 PM)

Fiji (june 30th - july 5th 1942)


The resistance at Suva is still ongoing. Last turn Dave launched an shock assault and his losses were +3000 men while we lost +1000 men.

The fortifications are still up at level 3 so this is good news indeed.

IJN battleships are making daily bombardment runs supporting this advance.

Last turn DD Yunagi hit an mine at Nadi. There was heavy damage reported! This minefield was laid out by an US submarine.

The allied airforce is completely wiped out at Suva.

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aztez -> RE: July 1942 (11/8/2009 3:10:24 PM)

Northern Oz (june 30th - july 5th 1942)


Our airforce have continued to bombard the enemy ground forces advancing towards Katherine.

Last turn we managed to knockout 10 tanks if reports are to be believed.

As you can see from the map Dave has now separated his forces so he is bypassing the river crossing near Katherine. Nice move and shows that he has no accurate intel regarding our troop strenghts. There is just an decoy base force across the river.

CV Junyo and the battleship fleet have gone or at least we have lost contact with them.

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aztez -> RE: July 1942 (11/8/2009 3:11:41 PM)

Burma (june 30th - july 5th 1942)


The ongoing air to air warfare has been bloody as ever. Last turn we shot down 50 enemy ac's above Magwe and we lost some +20 ac's. Good ratio!

The total losses have been around 80 ac for japan and 50 ac lost for allies since the last update. This is from the intel screen though so FOW can play an part here.

The pilot experience ratings are going up and Hurricane squadrons are performing very well.

There are some minor ground combats here and there around this region.

Next turn we shall see an large scale airstrike againts oilfields and refiniries at Magwe. There are also some 80 fighters on sweeping missions here.

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cfulbright -> RE: July 1942 (11/8/2009 4:48:32 PM)

Aztez - Looking at the air losses screen, did you really kill something like 37 Nates and 25 Oscars in air-to-air combat the previous day? I know there's an FOW factor, but that normally would be at least close to actual results. It doesn't show your to-date Hurricane losses, so it sounds like that was a good day for the Allies.

Also, I see you have a lot of F4F Wildcats in pool, also now have TBF Avengers. Have your carriers re-loaded yet?



aztez -> RE: July 1942 (11/8/2009 5:19:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cfulbright

Aztez - Looking at the air losses screen, did you really kill something like 37 Nates and 25 Oscars in air-to-air combat the previous day? I know there's an FOW factor, but that normally would be at least close to actual results. It doesn't show your to-date Hurricane losses, so it sounds like that was a good day for the Allies.

Also, I see you have a lot of F4F Wildcats in pool, also now have TBF Avengers. Have your carriers re-loaded yet?


Yes. That is correct. We shot down +50 fighters at Magwe. This battle has been ongoing for weeks now.

He wants to keep the oilfield/refinery intact at Magwe and I don't. We usually end up shooting down 25-40 aircraft here per turn. There has been only one turn when the weather cancelled any airstrikes at Burma.

Really hard to tell what the actual losses are due FOW but I'am not retreating in this air campaign here. I will rotate new squadrons into action when next turn arrives.

I did run the combat replay file and both sides lost +-30 ac's there.

Hurricane pools aren't in good shape but nothing to worry about since I do not depleted squadrons yet. I also have few US squadrons in India so we shall keep banging the doors there.

I did withdraw/disband quite a few carrier Wildcats in Suva so these guys are coming back shortly and will be upgraded immediately. At the moment though my carriers are going through repairs/upgrades.

In temporary measure I will move in some land based F4F Wildcats. The battles at Suva were fought with previous model so that is why I have plenty of them in pool. This decision was intentional since didn't want to lose them there.



Rob Brennan UK -> RE: July 1942 (11/8/2009 6:54:48 PM)

Hi again

From looking at that screenshot about china i know what i'd do if i was Dave and that isnt taking changsha head-on. watch out for a japanese drive SW form ichang. If he does this with enough force he can either drive East and cut your supplies or drive south for a closer encirclement of Changsha.

His other (and possible best ) option is to completely conqurer north china and just hold his lines in the center and south. From what i recall you dont have much up there and the supply situation isnt good either.

either way there isnt much you can do in china apart from reacting to his moves. You really need some recon in this theater and I know there isnt any spare. Can you move some of your most battered units forward so they are next to his possible jump off cities as realistically its your only option for reconassaince.

where is the chinese AF ? hopefully on 100% training in India. might be worth putting one bomber unit (SB2) on recon training for future use in china. Just a thought.

As you say suva has done its job and hopefully his last assault hurt him badly. the differance in combat with decent combat troops (i.e US + CW) and the chinese rabble is very noticeable indeed. Daves getting used to fighting the chinese and may well underestimate the resilience of the australians and NZ home troops.

As ever , great read and good luck



cfulbright -> RE: July 1942 (11/8/2009 7:31:05 PM)

Aztez - I remember you upgraded your AVG from the H81 to P40E's. When I look at the plane data for the two planes, the P40E's look worse in all respects - slower cruise and max speed, slower climb, less MVR at every altitude. But I'm still not used to the change in the MVR ratings from other Gary Grigsby games. Can you tell me why you switched over to P40E's?



Monter_Trismegistos -> RE: July 1942 (11/8/2009 10:06:42 PM)

Hi, could you post example of combat report showing air battles over Magwe to give a scale of fights? Thanks. Ceasefire in China was temporary?



Yamato_Blitzer -> RE: July 1942 (11/9/2009 7:46:45 PM)

Let's say he doesn't go for NZ....Are you going to send your carriers to the Southern Flank of OZ and land reinforcements for a counter-invasion of OZ? It would be very possible. Realizing that possibility, I think it's a good bet that he will go for NZ, but on the other hand if he does that I think it's almost certain that he has no hope of taking OZ completely and even if he does it is certain that he won't be able to hold it for any significant amount of time.

Either way, do you think he has clearly over-extended himself? I think he's done it to the point that he's not gonna gain anything out of this operation except some extra time. But that seems blunderous to me, because it's not long off where you'll be able to render that gained time minimal.



Rob Brennan UK -> RE: July 1942 (11/9/2009 7:52:03 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: cfulbright

Aztez - I remember you upgraded your AVG from the H81 to P40E's. When I look at the plane data for the two planes, the P40E's look worse in all respects - slower cruise and max speed, slower climb, less MVR at every altitude. But I'm still not used to the change in the MVR ratings from other Gary Grigsby games. Can you tell me why you switched over to P40E's?



I would assume its replacement issues. Lots more P40's than H81's , even though as you said the H81 is a much superior plane from the stats. Isnt it supposed to be some model of the P40B ?. Only other reason is to upgrrade the chinese AF as they can use the H81 pools but not the P40 (yet).



LoBaron -> RE: July 1942 (11/9/2009 8:49:25 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK
Daves getting used to fighting the chinese and may well underestimate the resilience of the australians and NZ home troops.

As ever , great read and good luck


Really good point! I ready somewhere here that the exp/morale values are weaker than in stock but they have
better leaders and equipment than the Chinese.





jrlans -> RE: July 1942 (11/9/2009 9:17:16 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LoBaron


quote:

ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK
Daves getting used to fighting the chinese and may well underestimate the resilience of the australians and NZ home troops.

As ever , great read and good luck


Really good point! I ready somewhere here that the exp/morale values are weaker than in stock but they have
better leaders and equipment than the Chinese.



Chinese infantry is prety terrible interms of stats untill 43, I think that some of the better ANZAC squads might have double the firepower of a chinese squad.

Edit: Not to mention better leaders, higher xp and morale, 100 prep points and forts.



wpurdom -> RE: June 1942 (11/9/2009 10:32:31 PM)

quote:

What you are proposing is very risky business. You do not want your forces retreat with reserve mode on.


Dear Aztec:
I was most definitely not making a "proposal" - I was asking two questions about what happened when the defense is on reserve. I couldn't recommend or propose such a risky course in PBEM unless I had tested in AI extensively - which I'm not likely to find time to do. I was just wondering if there was any experience in your audience experimenting with how best to lose a battle that is already hopeless.



LoBaron -> RE: July 1942 (11/10/2009 7:35:15 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK

I would assume its replacement issues. Lots more P40's than H81's , even though as you said the H81 is a much superior plane from the stats. Isnt it supposed to be some model of the P40B ?. Only other reason is to upgrrade the chinese AF as they can use the H81 pools but not the P40 (yet).


Hm. Thats an introduction for the "Pilotīs Manual for the Curtiss Tomahawk" published on the warbirdforum homepage:

"This manual probably accompanied the AVG Tomahawks to Rangoon. It was published by the British Air Ministry, and the title page says Tomahawk I. However, internal evidence (the engine designation and references to the RAF blocks from which the China-bound Tomahawks were taken) tie it to the Tomahawk IIBs sent to Burma for the AVG. There is also some internal evidence (including references to French instrumentation) that the text was not brought entirely up to date."

Seems the H81 was a mixture of versions, i also found some reference to the P-40C(?).

Hard to tell if the info is correct, maybe the stats are also better due to the reduction in armour in order to save weight?




aztez -> RE: July 1942 (11/10/2009 10:33:48 AM)

Hi guys!

As always appreciate the comments. Sorry for the "lack of updates recently".

Reallife events has kept me busy but I will do an update later this evening. At work so no access to the game data.

 Rob: Hmmm, you referring that the assault will directed towards Changhteh region or towards the mountains north of Ichang.

Dave is definately moving towards Lanchow and to be honest no way to stop this nor does it serve any real purpose to even attempt to do so at the moment.

I have ordered few units to move out of bases to serve kind of picket defense/recon. This way I will get alarm if he is moving massive forces around. There is now one
additional recon (bomber) squadrons operating in china.

The chinese airforce is 80% at India. I'am using 2 fighter squadrons as kind of harashment for his bombers. We have shot down few of them this way.

Agreed. The Suva campaign has achieved what it was sent out to do. The base still holds which is good news too.

cfullbright: I did switch to P40E's simply because the H81 pools became dry. Otherwise would have kept them in action. Unfortunately the replacement rates and losses
were not in my favour.

Monter_Trismegistos: Good to "see" you. I will post few cut and paste combat reports. The last turn indicated that he has moved his airforce into Rangoon. I guess the losses became too high for him to handle.

Yeah, it was an temporary ceasefire. It is now over and the action resumes. This gave me an chance to reorganize my defense and have some chance of defending the country. We agreed this upon the fact that both felt that china isn't modelled correctly.

Yamato_Blitzer: The carriers aren't ready for action for weeks since the upgrades and repairs. So, there are no chance of intervening if he goes in the soon.

The allied infantry stack is also somewhat low due to this early stage of war.

Dave is moving towards Katherine and I will abandon the base next turn. No need to defend it and the risk is that troops will retreat towards Darwin.

I have no intel whether he target NZ or Oz. The signit hasn't given any indicators lately.

I'am just moving some fighters/bombers not extra troops. I have now some 2500av sitting at Pearl Harbour. This is not enough to go into offensive yet since once we get rolling we get rolling for good.

LoBaron: Hopefully and that is the way it should go. Looking forward to seeing how my better equipped troops handle the IJA infantry squads.

I think H81 model is better than P40E but to be honest didn't notice much diffrence in terms of combat capability

jrlans: The chinese have few usable corps but most of them are badly equipped as you stated.

The good thing is that ANZAC forces are beginning to upgrade and there are not many militia squads left.

wpurdom: Hmmm, no reason to get offended. The question you asked was good since reserve mode isn't exactly described in detail in manual.



aztez -> RE: July 1942 (11/10/2009 5:26:46 PM)

Burma (july 6th - 9th 1942)


Last turn the skies above Magwe was almost empty. The weather wasn't good but RAF managed to hit few refiniries and oilfields here.

There was no enemy CAP above the base. This is first time that this has happened so maybe Dave judged that his losses didn't correlate with the gains. We shall whether he has upped the CAP for next turn.

IJA 38th division marched and seized the base at Paoshan. I wasn't expecting an full size division to enter here but this is fine by me. The unit will have long supply lines and also the terrain will hinder its movement. Thus making it unavailable for offensive operations in the near future.

I can also destroy this unit if it will march even further into china. At the moment though I'am more than happy to let it advance.

Here are few examples what has been ongoing here... (there has been plenty of more of these in past few weeks)

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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9
Ki-27b Nate x 10
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 13



Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 16


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-27b Nate: 4 destroyed
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 4 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 45 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27b Nate x 21
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 27



Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 13


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27b Nate: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 1 destroyed

... lets say that average turn has maybe 8-12 of these encounters. That is why the losses has been so high.

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aztez -> RE: July 1942 (11/10/2009 5:27:41 PM)

Northern Oz (july 6th - 9th 1942)


Allied HQ has given orders to abandon the base at Katherine. I know he will gain size 6 airfield but that is also fine by me.

I rather give an base than let him trap my forces there. The troops will march towards Daily Waters in combat orders mode since Dave is trying to cut off these troops.

The bombers have been temporarily withdrawn for rest and refit but they will deployed back into action soon. These squadrons have inflicted quite a few hits on his tank regiments marching towards Katherine.

The same concept will be used here. The further he will go the longer his supply lines get and the resistance will become stiffer too.

There is no sign of enemy carriers at the moment. These propably have withdrawn for refuel.

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aztez -> RE: July 1942 (11/10/2009 5:29:03 PM)

China (july 6th - 9th 1942)


No major battles have been fought as of yet. The recon flights are intensive though and he has been bombing Changhsa and Kweilin daily.

I did draw most likely routes of advance into the map.

Red arrows = Like enemy movement.
Blue arrows = Less likely enemy movement.

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Rob Brennan UK -> RE: July 1942 (11/10/2009 7:53:41 PM)

Hi Aztez

quote:

Hmmm, you referring that the assault will directed towards Changhteh region or towards the mountains north of Ichang.


toward changsha , but not a direct move. cut it off and let it rot while artillerying(is that a word ?) the stack to death would be a good move for the japanese imo.

Thats assuming he goes in that direction and not clearing the north 1st, just my 2p.

I'd also agree on your red arrow markers too. assuming he goes for changsha at all. Maybe not the most northerly one as that gains him nothing that i can see. Its the Ichang SW move thats of most concern to my mind at least.

That said however If i was Japan i'd clear up the north and grab all those small resource sites for free and maybe not much damage given chinas complete lack of engineers. [;)]. then he really can concentrate a huge force for a drive on the rest of china, supported by troops from burma. Just thinking about that he's moved out a division from Burma already. much more and me may well be vulnerable to a suprise invasion. IE Rangoon ! .. no holds barred allied landing. [:D]. Thats a long way off though. maybe early 43 ? Japans continued bombing has a dual benefit for him, trianing + stops/slows your recovery of damaged squads.

anyhoo .. i'm starting to ramble again ..

bye





crsutton -> RE: July 1942 (11/10/2009 11:24:08 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: aztez

Northern Oz (july 6th - 9th 1942)


Allied HQ has given orders to abandon the base at Katherine. I know he will gain size 6 airfield but that is also fine by me.

I rather give an base than let him trap my forces there. The troops will march towards Daily Waters in combat orders mode since Dave is trying to cut off these troops.

The bombers have been temporarily withdrawn for rest and refit but they will deployed back into action soon. These squadrons have inflicted quite a few hits on his tank regiments marching towards Katherine.

The same concept will be used here. The further he will go the longer his supply lines get and the resistance will become stiffer too.

There is no sign of enemy carriers at the moment. These propably have withdrawn for refuel.

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Yes, there is a lesson here for Allied Fanboys. If you rapidly develop your northern OZ bases before you are strong enough to defend them then you are providing port space and airfields that can actually help the Japanese Invaders. I have stopped all upgrading of bases that I can't defend in the area and will keep Katherine as a level 2 airfield until I get sufficent mobile ground troops in OZ to defend them. Those are not great roads leading to Katherine. I wonder if there is enough supply is flowing to his advance units.

Aztec, you are taking the hits so that we do not have to.....[:D] What size ports were Derby, Wyndham and Broome when he captured them?







seydlitz_slith -> RE: July 1942 (11/11/2009 1:16:02 AM)

As Japan, the best way to build up a base is to let the allies build it up for you and then take it. It takes forever for your construction units to build them up for you.



crsutton -> RE: July 1942 (11/11/2009 8:12:17 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: seydlitz

As Japan, the best way to build up a base is to let the allies build it up for you and then take it. It takes forever for your construction units to build them up for you.



Yes, reading this AAR has caused me to re-examine the way I am defending. If they want Darwin, make them come through the front door or via level one ports. The same applies to airbases in China, North Burma, Akyab and so on. Don't build up the bases. Make the Japanese use his scarce engineers.

This applies to IJN Fanboys as well. When planning your perimeter you need to be very selective about the bases you build up. Of course, the Allies have lots of engineers but at least it can be a speedbump.

God bless you Aztec for jumping in the deep water before me.......[;)]



aztez -> RE: July 1942 (11/14/2009 8:16:28 PM)

I have so busy with reallife stuff that have managed barely to do 2 turns since last update. The good news is that next week seems "normal" so there should much more spare time on my hands.

Not much action to report but the map is showing signs that all hell will break loose soon.

Rob: I don't see how he could cut off changhsa area without committing his troops in battles that will be huge?

To me the whole china front is looking odd but it will ignite very soon. The bombing runs are intensive and and he definately moving troops around.

The IJA division is moving towards inner china from Burma. I don't see the point here since movement is very slow and thus his supply lines becomes longer.

I have kept bombing Magwe and the industry is coming down nicely. With the resources gone here I wonder whether he will actually fight here? It seems so since that division is moving further into china.

British troops are getting nice reinforcements but invasion of Rangoon is too risky at the moment.

crsutton: Glad to help you out! That is definately good advice that can should be followed all around the map.

As for the Derby and other bases. Well, I didn't build up the ports there which is good thing. However I did upgarde the airfields 1-2 levels.

I would do some things very diffrently if I would start new game now but hindsight can be forgotten here.

seydlitz: Yeah, those are freebies. On an another note I really need to catch up with your AAR during next week.



aztez -> RE: July 1942 (11/14/2009 8:17:26 PM)

Northern Oz (july 10th - 14th 1942)


The picture below speaks it all. Dave is using paratoopers and tank regiments in order to move forwards with speed.

That was to be expected but unfortunately we have encountered an movement bug described below. I had units almost 40 miles out of Katherine moving towards south and Daily Waters.

These troops were on combat mode. Well, we moved an ended up north of Katherine!

...well I will email Dave and ask him to stop moving towards Katherine so my units can bypass the base.

Otherwise no significant developments other than that we have spotted CV Junyo and submarines are enroute to intercept.

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