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aztez -> RE: January 1944 (9/16/2010 4:31:37 PM)
Air losses... [image]local://upfiles/15617/4F322D0982D3416BA68B4B57A57168B9.jpg[/image]

FatR -> RE: January 1944 (9/16/2010 4:38:49 PM)
The report probably is very inaccurate in this case. For example, Kinugasa is reported sunk, despite being one of the least damaged Japanese ships. Unless you lose Yorktown, which doesn't seem likely, this is probably an Allied victory. I'd say, unless combat report lies to you, Hiyo and Soryu are 100% likely to be sunk/doomed, and for Akagi the probability is 90%, with several other ships being threatened. While few Japanese planes went down with carriers this turn, their damage control is rarely able to deal with major fires. EDIT: But lesser Japanese fighter losses in air combat are strange. From combat reports I don't even see where Allies might have lost so many Hellcats.

Grfin Zeppelin -> RE: January 1944 (9/16/2010 5:03:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatR The report probably is very inaccurate in this case. For example, Kinugasa is reported sunk, despite being one of the least damaged Japanese ships. Unless you lose Yorktown, which doesn't seem likely, this is probably an Allied victory. I'd say, unless combat report lies to you, Hiyo and Soryu are 100% likely to be sunk/doomed, and for Akagi the probability is 90%, with several other ships being threatened. While few Japanese planes went down with carriers this turn, their damage control is rarely able to deal with major fires. EDIT: But lesser Japanese fighter losses in air combat are strange. From combat reports I don't even see where Allies might have lost so many Hellcats. 86 ops thats HUGE. I think alot of the planes splashed into the water becaue they where unable to land.

aztez -> RE: January 1944 (9/16/2010 5:33:05 PM)
FatR: I do hope you are right. I have been very unlucky so many time vs Dave that skeptical nature is obvious. To me the japanese losses seem extreme strange if the combat.txt was even remotely accurate. We know better when the next combat.replay file arrives. Again not complaining that the battle happened since I wanted it to happen. As for the allied losses in terms of aircraft. Well, he did sunk quite a few CVE's and CVL's. These were not packed with replenishment groups but instead they were loaded mostly with combat aircraft. That explains the Hellcat losses and most of these groups went down with the ships. Gräfin Zeppelin: Some did exactly that and others were simply sunk with the ships unable to take off after the damage was done.

janh -> RE: January 1944 (9/16/2010 6:19:52 PM)
Looks indeed like an Allied victory, a perhaps a little costly one, but surely one you can afford. Probably gives you strategic initiative and naval superiority for a few months, or maybe even till the end with the (CV) reinforcements coming in at an ever increasing rate.

Rob Brennan UK -> RE: January 1944 (9/16/2010 6:48:23 PM)
WOW .. by the looks of the map there arent any allied bases for the airgroups to divert to sadly so that explains the huge ops losses, i just hope the pilots landed on differant cv's and the just tossed the extra a/c over the side , but thats a guess on my part.

aztez -> RE: January 1944 (9/17/2010 6:29:49 AM)
jahn: Things heated up even more so the judgement might have been a premature one. Rob: No, and he did couple of kamikaze surface combat missions which went in his favour as well! [:D] Ok.. I'am heading to work and have no turn file so this simple copy & paste from the combat.txt. Marshall Islands (february 1st - 2nd 1944) There were a lot action and I'am just digesting these... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Ponape at 120,114, Range 30,000 Yards Japanese Ships BB Haruna CA Chikuma CA Maya DD Teruzuki DD Urakaze DD Hamakaze Allied Ships CV Saratoga CV Wasp CVL Independence CVE Sangamon CVE Casablanca CA Portland CA Indianapolis CA Chester CLAA Atlanta CLAA Juneau CL Richmond CL Detroit DD Clarence Bronson DD Brown DD Brownson DD Bullard DD Burns DD Bush -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near Ponape at 119,114 Japanese Ships DD Yuzuki Allied Ships SS Hackleback, hits 2, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Ponape at 120,114, Range 8,000 Yards Japanese Ships DD Shinonome, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Shirakumo DD Isonami Allied Ships BB Washington, Shell hits 1 BB South Dakota, Shell hits 1 BB Indiana CA Baltimore CL Santa Fe DD LaVallette DD Miller DD Mullany DD Murray DD O'Bannon DD Stephen Potter, Shell hits 1 DD Pringle DD Radford DD Abner Read DD Ringgold -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Ponape at 120,114, Range 8,000 Yards Japanese Ships CL Kinu, Shell hits 15, and is sunk CL Oi, Shell hits 8, on fire DD Yamakaze, Shell hits 1 DD Kawakaze DD Suzukaze DD Hatsuyuki Allied Ships BB Washington BB South Dakota, Shell hits 1 BB Indiana, Shell hits 1 CA Baltimore CL Santa Fe DD LaVallette DD Miller DD Mullany DD Murray, Shell hits 1 DD O'Bannon DD Stephen Potter DD Pringle DD Radford DD Abner Read DD Ringgold -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Ponape at 120,114, Range 8,000 Yards Japanese Ships BB Kongo BB Kirishima, Shell hits 6, heavy fires CA Mogami, Shell hits 1 DD Tokitsukaze, Shell hits 1 DD Arashi DD Hagikaze, Shell hits 1 DD Arashio Allied Ships BB Washington, Shell hits 5, on fire BB South Dakota, Shell hits 1 BB Indiana, Shell hits 6 CA Baltimore, Shell hits 1 CL Santa Fe DD LaVallette DD Miller DD Mullany, Shell hits 1 DD Murray DD O'Bannon DD Stephen Potter DD Pringle DD Radford, Shell hits 1 DD Abner Read DD Ringgold -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Mili at 136,121, Range 7,000 Yards Japanese Ships CL Jintsu CL Nagara CL Tenryu, Shell hits 1 CL Tatsuta, Shell hits 1 DD Shigure, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Ariake DD Murakumo Allied Ships DD Stevens DD Strong, Shell hits 1 DD Taylor DD Terry DD Thatcher DD The Sullivans DD Trathen DD Wadsworth DD Walker DD Waller, Shell hits 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Mili at 136,121, Range 10,000 Yards Japanese Ships CL Jintsu CL Nagara CL Tenryu CL Tatsuta DD Shigure DD Ariake DD Murakumo Allied Ships DE Osterhaus, Shell hits 6, on fire DE Parks, Shell hits 1 DE Bebas DE Cabana DE Canfield DE Carlson DE Cloues DE Crouter, Shell hits 2, on fire DE Deede DE Dempsey, Shell hits 1 DE Dionne, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk LST-78 LST-119 LST-120 LST-174 LST-335 LST-338 LST-339 LST-340 LST-341 LST-342 LST-343 LST-344 LST-353 LCI-329 LCI-330 LCI-331 LCI-332 LCI-333 LCT-128 LCT-129 LCT-130 LCT-131 LCT-132 LCT-133 LCT-134 LCT-135 LCT-136 LCT-137 LCT-138 LCT-139 LCM 532A LCM 532B LCM 532C LCM 532D LCM 532E LCVP 532F LCVP 532G LCVP 532H LCVP 532J LCVP 532K LCVP 532L LCVP 532M LCVP 532P, Shell hits 1, and is sunk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Mili at 136,121, Range 10,000 Yards Japanese Ships CL Jintsu, Shell hits 2 CL Nagara, Shell hits 4 CL Tenryu, Shell hits 1 CL Tatsuta DD Shigure, Shell hits 4, heavy fires DD Ariake DD Murakumo Allied Ships DD Heermann, Shell hits 1 DD Hoel DD Hudson DD Hutchins, Shell hits 2 DD Isherwood, Shell hits 3, on fire DE Doneff DE Duffy DE Eisele DE Elden, Shell hits 18, heavy fires, heavy damage APD Gregory AM Prevail AM Chief AM Tumult AM Velocity AM Vigilance APA Feland APA Ormsby, Shell hits 1, on fire APA Wayne APA Custer APA Du Page APA Elmore APA Fayette AK Mintaka AK Murzim, heavy damage AK Sterope AK Serpens AKA Jupiter LSD Gunston Hall LSD Lindenwald LST-122 LST-123 LST-124 LCI-448 LCI-521 LCI-522 LCI-523, heavy damage LCI-524 LCI-525 xAK Admiral Laws xAK Admiral Wood xAK Charles McCormick xAK West Cactus xAK West Camargo xAK West Shipper xAK Nabesna xAK Am. Manufacturer, Shell hits 2 xAK Am. Packer, Shell hits 1 xAK Am. Press, Shell hits 13, heavy fires, heavy damage xAP Cape Newenham xAP Cape Perpetua xAP Cape Cleare xAP Cape Mendocino xAP Cape Meares, Shell hits 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near Ponape at 120,114 Japanese Ships SSX Ha-29, hits 9, heavy damage Allied Ships DD McKee -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Ponape at 124,112 Weather in hex: Light rain Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 45 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 7 A6M5 Zero x 64 D3A1 Val x 14 Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 8 Allied aircraft Seafire IIC x 8 F6F-3 Hellcat x 195 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed A6M5 Zero: 16 destroyed D3A1 Val: 7 destroyed Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 2 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Ponape at 124,112 Weather in hex: Light rain Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 31 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 5 A6M5 Zero x 57 B6N1 Jill x 8 B6N2 Jill x 17 D4Y1 Judy x 44 Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 3 Allied aircraft Seafire IIC x 7 F6F-3 Hellcat x 171 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed A6M5 Zero: 19 destroyed B6N1 Jill: 4 destroyed B6N2 Jill: 9 destroyed, 1 damaged D4Y1 Judy: 26 destroyed, 2 damaged Allied aircraft losses F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed Allied Ships CV Wasp CVE Casablanca, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires CVL Independence, Bomb hits 1, on fire CVE Sangamon, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires CA Indianapolis CV Saratoga DD Brownson, Bomb hits 1, on fire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Ponape at 124,112 Weather in hex: Light rain Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 40 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zero x 11 B6N2 Jill x 15 D4Y1 Judy x 6 Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 3 Allied aircraft Seafire IIC x 5 F6F-3 Hellcat x 97 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zero: 3 destroyed B6N2 Jill: 10 destroyed D4Y1 Judy: 3 destroyed Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Ponape at 124,112 Weather in hex: Light rain Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 40 minutes Japanese aircraft B6N2 Jill x 6 Allied aircraft Seafire IIC x 4 F6F-3 Hellcat x 68 Japanese aircraft losses B6N2 Jill: 4 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Ponape at 124,112 Weather in hex: Light rain Raid detected at 160 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 50 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 47 Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 14 Ki-49-IIa Helen x 8 Allied aircraft Seafire IIC x 3 F6F-3 Hellcat x 60 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed Ki-49-IIa Helen: 2 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F6F-3 Hellcat: 2 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Ponape at 120,114 Weather in hex: Overcast Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 40 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zero x 8 B6N2 Jill x 18 Japanese aircraft losses B6N2 Jill: 1 damaged Allied Ships CV Yorktown, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage CV Hornet, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Ponape at 119,113 Weather in hex: Severe storms Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 54 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 11 A6M5 Zero x 17 Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 18 Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 15 Allied aircraft F6F-3 Hellcat x 85 SB2C-1C Helldiver x 20 TBF-1 Avenger x 11 TBM-1C Avenger x 20 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F6F-3 Hellcat: 12 destroyed SB2C-1C Helldiver: 2 destroyed, 8 damaged TBF-1 Avenger: 3 damaged Japanese Ships CV Zuikaku, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk CV Akagi, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage CVL Shoho, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage CL Tama AV Sanuki Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage xAKL Tenshin, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires AV Kunikawa Maru xAKL Urashio Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Ponape at 120,114 Weather in hex: Overcast Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 31 minutes Japanese aircraft D4Y1 Judy x 39 Allied aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses D4Y1 Judy: 1 destroyed, 11 damaged Allied aircraft losses Allied Ships CV Hornet, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage CA Salt Lake City, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage DD Franks CV Yorktown, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage CL Cleveland, Bomb hits 6, and is sunk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Ponape at 120,114 Weather in hex: Overcast Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 40 minutes Japanese aircraft B6N2 Jill x 13 Allied aircraft no flights No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses No Allied losses Allied Ships CA Salt Lake City, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage CV Yorktown, heavy fires, heavy damage DD Eaton CV Hornet, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Ponape at 124,112 Weather in hex: Light rain Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 45 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zero x 28 D3A1 Val x 3 Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 45 Allied aircraft Seafire IIC x 7 F6F-3 Hellcat x 126 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zero: 5 destroyed D3A1 Val: 2 destroyed Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 9 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F6F-3 Hellcat: 2 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Ailinglaplap at 133,117 Weather in hex: Light rain Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 47 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zero x 22 G3M2 Nell x 9 Japanese aircraft losses G3M2 Nell: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged Allied Ships LST-464 LCI-335, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk xAK Joseph K. Toole Allied ground losses: 251 casualties reported Squads: 5 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 10 destroyed, 6 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Ponape at 124,112 Weather in hex: Light rain Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 40 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zero x 12 B6N2 Jill x 10 D4Y1 Judy x 2 Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 20 Allied aircraft Seafire IIC x 6 F6F-3 Hellcat x 106 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zero: 3 destroyed B6N2 Jill: 6 destroyed D4Y1 Judy: 1 destroyed Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 8 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F6F-3 Hellcat: 2 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Ponape at 124,112 Weather in hex: Light rain Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 31 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zero x 3 D4Y1 Judy x 3 Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 2 Allied aircraft Seafire IIC x 6 F6F-3 Hellcat x 81 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zero: 2 destroyed D4Y1 Judy: 2 destroyed Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Ponape at 124,112 Weather in hex: Light rain Raid detected at 160 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 50 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 3 Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 10 Ki-49-IIa Helen x 6 Allied aircraft Seafire IIC x 5 F6F-3 Hellcat x 64 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 3 destroyed Ki-49-IIa Helen: 2 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on Kusaie Island , at 125,118 Weather in hex: Severe storms Raid spotted at 42 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 14 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zero x 2 Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 6 Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 10 Allied aircraft B-24D Liberator x 5 B-24D1 Liberator x 11 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-45 KAIc Nick: 1 damaged Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed on ground Allied aircraft losses B-24D Liberator: 1 damaged B-24D1 Liberator: 2 damaged Runway hits 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Ponape at 119,113 Weather in hex: Thunderstorms Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 57 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 10 A6M5 Zero x 6 Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 14 Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 13 Allied aircraft F6F-3 Hellcat x 51 SB2C-1C Helldiver x 13 TBF-1 Avenger x 12 TBM-1C Avenger x 35 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F6F-3 Hellcat: 9 destroyed SB2C-1C Helldiver: 4 damaged TBF-1 Avenger: 5 damaged TBM-1C Avenger: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged Japanese Ships CV Akagi, on fire, heavy damage CVL Shoho, heavy fires, heavy damage DD Sazanami AV Sanuki Maru, heavy fires, heavy damage AV Kunikawa Maru, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk DD Yukaze xAKL Odatsuki Maru xAKL Tenshin, heavy fires -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Ponape at 120,113 Weather in hex: Severe storms Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 40 minutes Japanese aircraft B6N2 Jill x 5 D4Y1 Judy x 26 Allied aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses D4Y1 Judy: 7 damaged Allied aircraft losses Allied Ships CVE Natoma Bay, Bomb hits 6, and is sunk CVE Liscome Bay, heavy fires, heavy damage CVL Cabot, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk DD McKee -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Ponape at 120,114 Weather in hex: Overcast Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 40 minutes Japanese aircraft B6N2 Jill x 20 Japanese aircraft losses B6N2 Jill: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged Allied Ships DD Franks DD Eaton DD DeHaven -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Ponape at 119,113 Weather in hex: Thunderstorms Raid detected at 22 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 10 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 4 A6M5 Zero x 4 Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 8 Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 3 Allied aircraft F6F-3 Hellcat x 2 TBF-1 Avenger x 3 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses TBF-1 Avenger: 2 destroyed Japanese Ships CV Akagi, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on Kusaie Island , at 125,118 Weather in hex: Severe storms Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 6 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 3 Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 2 Allied aircraft P-38G Lightning x 15 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed Ki-45 KAIc Nick: 1 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Ponape at 120,113 Japanese Ships SS I-52, hits 1 Allied Ships CVE Liscome Bay, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage DD McKee -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Eniwetok at 126,111 Weather in hex: Thunderstorms Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 40 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zero x 4 B6N2 Jill x 5 D4Y1 Judy x 4 Allied aircraft F6F-3 Hellcat x 36 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed B6N2 Jill: 2 destroyed D4Y1 Judy: 1 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Ailinglaplap at 133,117 Weather in hex: Overcast Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 40 minutes Japanese aircraft B6N2 Jill x 19 Japanese aircraft losses B6N2 Jill: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged Allied Ships DD Swanson, Bomb hits 1, on fire DD Hobby DD Caldwell DD Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Ponape at 120,114 Weather in hex: Light rain Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 31 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 3 A6M5 Zero x 21 D4Y1 Judy x 32 Japanese aircraft losses D4Y1 Judy: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged Allied Ships DD Franks, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage DD Eaton DD DeHaven, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Eniwetok at 126,111 Weather in hex: Thunderstorms Raid detected at 160 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 50 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 13 Ki-49-IIa Helen x 6 Allied aircraft F6F-3 Hellcat x 31 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 2 destroyed Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Tarawa , at 136,128 Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 45 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2-N Rufe x 7 A6M5 Zero x 15 Allied aircraft P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 21 F4U-1A Corsair x 17 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zero: 5 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Kusaie Island , at 125,118 Weather in hex: Heavy rain Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 7 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 1 Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 10 Allied aircraft P-38G Lightning x 5 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed Ki-45 KAIc Nick: 3 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Eniwetok at 126,111 Weather in hex: Thunderstorms Raid detected at 42 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 13 minutes Japanese aircraft B6N2 Jill x 2 Allied aircraft F6F-3 Hellcat x 22 Japanese aircraft losses B6N2 Jill: 1 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Maloelap at 136,117 Weather in hex: Light rain Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 40 minutes Japanese aircraft B6N2 Jill x 8 Japanese aircraft losses B6N2 Jill: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged Allied Ships BB Massachusetts [image]local://upfiles/15617/B8E3F40A63474560AA4745EE896EEA37.jpg[/image]

FatR -> RE: January 1944 (9/17/2010 9:10:24 AM)
Weather really was on Japanese side during the second turn ("Severe Storms" and "Thunderstorms" over Mobile Fleet; Allied TF mostly got "Overcast" and "Light Rain"). And I won't say that surface attacks were a Japanese success. But overall this seems pretty bad. Probably your opponent flew some carrier squadrons to land bases in range, causing poorly coordinated small attacks late in the turn, that, however mostly lucked out to find unprotected targets. This probably still is a pyrrhic victory for Japan, but victory nonetheless.

janh -> RE: January 1944 (9/17/2010 9:18:13 AM)
An unbelievable battle... Imagine if the first night engagement had resulted in a real clash...

aztez -> RE: January 1944 (9/17/2010 10:52:45 AM)
FatR: Agreed. As said I'am running tough luck in this PBEM game. I have an feeling this is bad indeed. I cannot say how bad before I get the turn and have time to look things around. The most disappointing fact was that CV Akagi was still a float last turn. You are correct. He did fly out from carriers and at least 3-4 bases in this sector. jahn: That would have absolute disaster! ..so no I'am not going think about it too much! [:D]

offenseman -> RE: January 1944 (9/17/2010 3:07:36 PM)
An Epic battle. Looks like he decide this was to be his main effort to crush you before your numbers completely overwhelm him anyway. Courageous and pretty well executed. The losses he incurred though... so heavy his aircraft/pilot losses alone are killer.

FatR -> RE: January 1944 (9/17/2010 3:22:23 PM)
Aircraft losses on this scale can be relatively easily replenished by a competent player, unless his air force is under constant pressure. I'll be surprised if Japanese monthly production is not at least comparable to losses in this battle. But pilot losses won't be easily to recover, considering that Japanese already fought a large carrier battle recently. A carrier pilot remotely comparable with initial KB standards at the beginning of the war requires up to half-year of on-map training. EDIT: On the other hand, during the previous battle Japanese uses mostly Kates (with B6M1 model seemingly skipped) and A6M2s in October of 1943. Now the situation is different, but that still might indicated relatively limited air production.

aztez -> February 1944 (9/19/2010 5:54:05 PM)
offenseman: Epic indeed and horrific in terms of casualties. Yeah, he did that but I think he had this planned. He had Kusaie and Ponape build up and it seems both have around 20 000 men there. I knew this and not suprised at all that his carriers showed up. I think he can recover from aircraft losses.. how much this hurt his pilot pools.. That is anyones guess. FatR: I wish that limited production is true but I seriously doubt this is the case. He captured most of DEI intact since my engineers did not sabotage industry for whatever reason. The pilot thing might be a bit tricky since we have had quite few bloodbaths. The burma campaign has really been horrific before the CenPac / South Pacific campaign begun. I know he has large stacks of aircraft at Rabaul, Truk, Ponape and increased amounts at Marianas area... so either he had these here longtime or he has moved them here lately. I will continue to push forward asap...

aztez -> RE: February 1944 (9/19/2010 5:54:51 PM)
The intel screen February 1944... [image]local://upfiles/15617/45F353B8E1D5439BA95C158D0A13844A.jpg[/image]

aztez -> RE: February 1944 (9/19/2010 5:55:44 PM)
Burma (february 3rd - 6th 1944) The allied push towards central burma continues. We have now secured Schwebo and as you can see from the pic pushing hard towards the plains. The recon aircraft indicated that japanese are pulling out of Mandalay. This is definately good move from Dave since I'am moving troops in echelon / pinzer style. Japanese airpower seems almost non-existant after those huge air to air duels. Taking into consideration CenPac and South Pacific campaings this is not an suprise. Now we are already moving into Mandalay and surrounding areas. I have plenty of reserves in India if things go into stalemate. Intresting days ahead here.... [image]local://upfiles/15617/0F6196ED55364E9395CC7949A35DD292.jpg[/image]

aztez -> RE: February 1944 (9/19/2010 5:58:13 PM)
Marshall Islands (february 3rd - 6th 1944) My naval patrol have not sighted his carriers after the last encounter. Again the FOW is really bad or we did this bad. Unfortunately we lost 2 CV's and many CVL's/CVE's (see pic) The good news is that my remaining assets are fully operational next turn. The ships are currentky refueling at Mili and will head next turn. Reinforcements have also arrive here giving another 2 CV's and 5 CVE's. I'am moving damaged ships back into Pearl Harbour. These ships wohn't see action until maybe summer 1944. The last couple of turns have been far from uneventful though. Dave have launched large raids from Ponape, Kusaie Island and Tarawa. These raids have not hit carriers but sunk quite few transports and destroyers. He did launch againts the carriers also but the CAP was solid enough to deny these raiders. In terms of aircraft lost in past couple of days... 100-200 for allied side and 400-600 for the japanese. These figures are from intel screen so hard to say how "FOW" is changing these numbers. Still just 1 enemy CV "confirmed sunk".... Oh.. and really did "bad play" at Maloelap and Wotje. I really should have add up some extra troops since the intial assaults did not overwhelm him my troops have suffered "horrific" penalties in terms of supply consumption. That was a bad habit from the old Witp... wohn't be doing that again though. [image]local://upfiles/15617/B86162055D9A4BD1886779321546DA40.jpg[/image]

aztez -> RE: February 1944 (9/19/2010 5:58:44 PM)
Allied losses... [image]local://upfiles/15617/0670F1AC860D47FAB27A3C3FA964F30A.jpg[/image]

aztez -> RE: February 1944 (9/19/2010 5:59:24 PM)
IJN losses... [image]local://upfiles/15617/79D53C637F024320ADEE74DBAE544E3E.jpg[/image]

cookie monster -> RE: February 1944 (9/27/2010 1:07:46 AM)
Just finished reading your AAR. A good effort so far. Good luck with the advance!

CaptBeefheart -> RE: February 1944 (9/28/2010 6:35:00 AM)
Wow, that was a lot of carnage. Let's hope the FOW is wrong and more of the KB is resting on the bottom. Good luck. In my experience Maleolap and Wotje are very deadly islands to invade. However, that was with killer CDs that really chewed up my amphib TFs (that might have been nerfed in the latest patch). Cheers, CC

crsutton -> RE: January 1944 (9/28/2010 7:24:00 PM)
I think you will find that he will lose a lot of carriers. He just won't get them home before Japanese damage control will pull some under. I rate the fight about even if you can save your damaged ships.

aztez -> RE: January 1944 (9/28/2010 8:42:25 PM)
Yet again have had busy times at work. The future is looking now much brighter since I'am shifting jobs inside the company within next month or so. Thanks for the comments everyone and we will continue to fight on... cookie monster: Welcome to thread. I hope your eyes did not hurt too much since this battle of ww2 is getting kind big. (in terms of pages written)[:D] As for the luck we could definately use some soon. Commander Cody: Thanks. I'am still 50/50 about the amount of FOW involved. No additional japanese capital ships nor carriers reported sunk. That is the exact experience I'am having also. If these bases would be other than Atolls than no problems but now... well still a mess to be honest. I'am working around it as we speak but should really have seized these two bases in the initial wave. That is a plunder on my part as well so you are not alone with that experience. crsutton: I sincerely hope you are correct but as said above no additional enemy carriers are reported sunk. I know that Truk has heavy volumes of traffic in terms of radio messages. We shall see what he has left soon enough.

aztez -> RE: January 1944 (9/28/2010 8:43:41 PM)
Burma (february 7th -18th 1944) The push continues here. Allied forces have now seized the Schwebo and Mandalay in central burma. We are about to enter Meiktia and Magwe as well. There are 3 diffrent formations moving ahead. The current intel indicates 10 units at Meikhtia. In terms of infantry I have no idea. We should find soon though since spearhead is just 20 miles north of these bases. I have total air supremacy in this region at the moment and most likely this will remain so. Dave did withdraw from Mandalay mostly but we did decimate an japanese naval guard unit defending the base. More battles to report here soon... [image]local://upfiles/15617/3219E41AC7184215BDDBE25E699BABD0.jpg[/image]

aztez -> February 1944 (9/28/2010 8:44:54 PM)
Marshall Islands (february 7th - 18th 1944) As said earlier nomore IJN ships have popped up in the sunken ship list. Last turn we ambushed several xAKL's and AMC's at Ponape with our carriers. We should see more fireworks next turn since he has substantial LBA powers here as you can see from the pic. I have supressed the airfields at Tarawa and Kusaie here so that is definately good news. The allied carrier production is hitting high gear as well and we have several CVE's. CVL s in active duty. Also 3 CV's are about to enter the game as well. Maloelap and Wotje are still an mess. As Commander cody stated these bases should not be taken lightly. I'am actually forced to pull out troops in order to deal with higher supply consumption. These bases really should not be taken lightly. In overall sense the past two weeks have been licking wounds type of actions. This will end soon as possible though since I have further offensives scheduled to begin shortly. Do not expect me to invade home islands on this one though (at least not yet) since my opponent is very very very tough nut to crack. [image]local://upfiles/15617/54AE1766FA664CEDB6F3EB6D43F47BDC.jpg[/image]

aztez -> RE: February 1944 (10/3/2010 5:04:13 PM)
Marshall Islands (february 19th - 24th 1944) Allied signit indicated on the 24th that CVL Shoho was sunk near Ponape. That would be the 2nd CVL lost during latest carrier clash. As said I moved my carriers a bit further up in the north and this provoked large LBA raids from Kusaie Island and Ponape... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Kusaie Island at 124,114 Weather in hex: Overcast Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 42 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 20 G4M1 Betty x 9 Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 19 Allied aircraft Seafire IIC x 7 FM-2 Wildcat x 21 F4U-1A Corsair x 25 F6F-3 Hellcat x 216 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 6 destroyed G4M1 Betty: 6 destroyed Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 2 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Seafire IIC: 1 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Kusaie Island at 124,114 Weather in hex: Overcast Raid detected at 160 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 46 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-21-IIb Sally x 9 Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 27 Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 18 Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 38 Allied aircraft Seafire IIC x 6 FM-2 Wildcat x 17 F4U-1A Corsair x 25 F6F-3 Hellcat x 197 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21-IIb Sally: 5 destroyed Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 7 destroyed Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 6 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F6F-3 Hellcat: 6 destroyed ... in return we launched single strike againts enemy airfield and ships gathered at Ponape. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Ponape , at 119,113 Weather in hex: Severe storms Raid spotted at 43 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 18 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 7 N1K1-J George x 18 Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 15 Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 36 Allied aircraft FM-2 Wildcat x 11 F4U-1A Corsair x 11 F6F-3 Hellcat x 109 SB2C-1C Helldiver x 62 SBD-3 Dauntless x 34 SBD-5 Dauntless x 34 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed on ground Allied aircraft losses F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed F6F-3 Hellcat: 7 destroyed SB2C-1C Helldiver: 17 destroyed, 19 damaged SBD-3 Dauntless: 7 destroyed, 6 damaged SBD-5 Dauntless: 11 destroyed, 6 damaged Japanese Ships SC CHa-35 SC CHa-48, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk Japanese ground losses: 5 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Airbase hits 3 Runway hits 13 I think KB is in Truk at the moment but that is just well educated guess on my part. We have dealt with the overstacking dilemma at Maloelap and Wotje and these bases should fall soon. Stay tuned for more... [image]local://upfiles/15617/0EBCD0911CC842FEB733784390AD677E.jpg[/image]

aztez -> RE: February 1944 (10/3/2010 5:04:56 PM)
Burma (february 19th - 24th 1944) The commonwealth offensive at Burma is gathering wind. Last turn we seized Meikhtia and Magwe. Thus meaning the oil flows from Burma are now over for good. His defenders that were routed at Meikhtia retreated into Taung Gyi. That is welcomed news and will rout them even more there soon. We are also approaching Lashio as well as Paoshan. The Paoshan offensive would mean that the our ceasefire will be terminated since any chinese offensive will be declaration of war there. That is something I will think a turn or two before decieding upon it. [image]local://upfiles/15617/809E28DCB011499EA7004DB17B0AF18E.jpg[/image]

racndoc -> RE: February 1944 (10/4/2010 4:20:33 AM)
Great carrier battle. Great move on the part of Erstad to engage the Allied carrtiers before being totally overwhelmed by the arrival of the Essex Class carriers.Certainly the die roll gods were not with you. Still, I would score this as a tactical Japanese victory and a strategic Allied victory. The CVE losses are irrelevant, The US Navy has nearly 40 CVEs by mid 1944 and nearly 60 CVEs by 1/1/45. So losing 2 CVs and 3 CVLs for the Allies is definately worth 1 CV and 2 CVLs for Japan. By the time CV Akagi is fully repaired and back in action you will have a half dozen more Essex Class CVs. Great AAR!

aztez -> March 1944 (10/9/2010 9:38:30 AM)
AdmSpruance: It's definately was an nice battle and very fun to watch also. There are plenty of new CV's, CVL's and CVE's arriving in 1944. I think I can triple the carrier power available by the end of 1944. Also I feel same about engaging my carriers with KB. He actually still has nice amount of carrier strike force left. Thanks.. This advance is not the pace you most likely are used to. Yes, I have reading your AAR's since the classic witp. [:)]

aztez -> RE: March 1944 (10/9/2010 9:39:44 AM)
Burma (february 25th - march 7th 1944) We have made solid progress here. Last turn allied troops finally captured the Taung Gyi base... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Taung Gyi (59,48) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 17179 troops, 308 guns, 658 vehicles, Assault Value = 787 Defending force 4425 troops, 98 guns, 127 vehicles, Assault Value = 91 Allied adjusted assault: 109 Japanese adjusted defense: 97 Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 0) Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 0 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-) Attacker: disruption(-), fatigue(-) Japanese ground losses: 726 casualties reported Squads: 3 destroyed, 38 disabled Non Combat: 27 destroyed, 71 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled Vehicles lost 9 (9 destroyed, 0 disabled) Allied ground losses: 157 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 19 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled Vehicles lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled) Assaulting units: 19th Indian Division 254th Armoured Brigade Provisionl Tank Brigade 209th Combat Engineer Battalion 23rd Chindit Brigade Defending units: 112th Infantry Regiment 11th Tank Regiment 15th JAAF AF Bn 51st Field AA Battalion 30th JNAF AF Unit /1 25th JAAF AF Bn 36th Field AA Battalion 47th Field AA Battalion 36th JAAF AF Bn /1 This was just in time as well since as you can see from the map those japanese troops "defeated" at Myithkina were just 40 miles west of the base. It also seems enemy has brought in some bombers here. Thus meaning I will soon be deploying my reserves in terms of air units. I have kept quite a few of them training on rear areas. I have gathered another Army group outside of Akyab. These troops will march south asap. This does not mean that I don't have troops ready at Diamond Harbour to amphibitious land in the rear if needed. Things are looking good for time being here.... [image]local://upfiles/15617/D06641E1C84B4635B750F97E269AA6BA.jpg[/image]

aztez -> RE: March 1944 (10/9/2010 9:40:40 AM)
Marshall Islands (february 25th - march 7th 1945) We have started the invasion of Kusaie Island. There are now some 25 000 there and next turn the 1st offensive is scheduled. In terms of av this means around 900av points. Dave has some SNFL units and Tank regiment defending the base. The estimated 400-450av value of troops. This operation is naturally carrier supported. Dave has launched few large airstrikes from Ponape. In past 4 days he has lost maybe 200-300 aircraft. Our losses have been very moderate and none of the carriers nor capital ships are hit. My recon also indicates Dave is pulling out units from Solomons. This intel in my estimate is around 85% accurate. There has been no sightings of enemy carriers nor battleships near Kusaie Island. This base quite important since once it falls we can supress any enemy LBA presence at Ponape... and the road widens up quite a lot after that. [image]local://upfiles/15617/84E7BD2D1B034F9F97195629947313A1.jpg[/image]

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