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aztez -> RE: IJN invasion TF spotted near Noumea! (8/19/2009 10:42:51 PM)
Operation TITAN (launched on december 28th) Ok. Having encountered those Battleships off the coast of Singkawang I decieded to launch operation called TITAN. This operation has gathered around most of the ABDA striking power. The idea is to repulse these landings happening at northern borneo and to sunk BB Haruna and BB Kongo. I thinked this through many times. The conclusion was that high rewards vs possible high losses. Advantages + IJA has only 1 operational airfield near Singakawang. That is Miri. Yes, Dave has lba bombers at malaya but those are busy bombing the dammest out of Singapore. + CVE Hosho doesn't have that much in terms of an aircraft and those planes are not modern. This TF has been out at the sea for an longtime now. It might even be short of torpedoes. + I have decent recon gathered via patrol aircraft and those PT boats on the base. IJN has only 1 surface combat TF covering the area. (At least I think so) + Dave cannot hold out too long with this invasion and I doubt he is going to cancel this either. + KB is busy invading New Caledonia and Rabaul. Propably heading towards Truk to rearm before next operations. Disadvantages - I have to commit large scale surface combat vessels here in order to gain anything. - Japanese torpedo aircraft are deadly and accurate. - The luck factor. Well, it really hasn't gone my way too much. Basically it could cost the 3rd disaster within a months time. Those where factors to be considered and I decieded to go for it. If this is succesfull operation than we have severely hammered japanese plans when it comes to ABDA region. Here is the operational thinking and organization behind operation TITAN (see pic below). If these TF's didn't intercept those BB's or invasion TF next turn than this operation is cancelled. I have no illusions that Dave wouldn't move every single torpedo bomber available into position and.. well you know! [:D] Basically fingers crossed that the coming turn brings good news. I had another suprise waiting for him and CVL Ruyho which seems to be sailing towards Kendari. ...now we just wait for the results! [image]local://upfiles/15617/170773CF37AC46E7B3A3303DE393FE4D.jpg[/image]

jimh009 -> RE: IJN invasion TF spotted near Noumea! (8/20/2009 9:22:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants Where are you using AVG?? "Patrol Around Target" - I haven't used this feature yet and hope it works out good for you. I don't know If I trust the AI that much. [;)] It's all I've used for my sub operations, and so far, I like it. It shows you the subs patrol range once you click it...so if you don't like what the AI sets for you, you can change it manually (all or part of it). It's a slick feature and very glad it's in AE.

aztez -> RE: IJN invasion TF spotted near Noumea! (8/20/2009 10:00:13 AM)
As promised yesterday. Here is the victory point screen capture. This is date 31st december 1941. [image]local://upfiles/15617/5217550C3573445C8D1B887954A4B1CA.jpg[/image]

aztez -> RE: IJN invasion TF spotted near Noumea! (8/20/2009 10:30:30 AM)
Operation TITAN (29th and 30th december) The 1st ABDA command operation is over. Our ships managed to engage the enemy 3-4 times near Singkawang. Bad news is that I have no idea what kind of damage if any we caused. The below reports are only ones that made it into combat.txt file. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Singkawang at 56,88, Range 18,000 Yards Japanese Ships PB Shonan Maru #6 xAK Ryuyo Maru xAK Teisen Maru xAK Ayato Maru xAK Iwaki Maru xAK Josho Maru xAK Kuroshio Maru xAK Meisho Maru xAK Midori Maru xAKL Yagi Maru xAKL Hachirogata Maru xAKL Fukuyo Maru PB Nako Maru #2, heavy damage Allied Ships PT TM-4 PT TM-5 PT TM-6, heavy damage PT TM-7 PT TM-8 Allied Ships Reported to be Approaching! Japanese TF suspends unloading operations and begins to get underway Low visibility due to Thunderstorms Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms: 1,000 yards Range closes to 16,000 yards... Range closes to 15,000 yards... Range increases to 17,000 yards... Range closes to 16,000 yards... Range increases to 17,000 yards... Range closes to 14,000 yards... Range closes to 13,000 yards... Range closes to 12,000 yards... Range increases to 13,000 yards... Range increases to 14,000 yards... Range closes to 13,000 yards... Range increases to 14,000 yards... Range closes to 13,000 yards... Range increases to 15,000 yards... Range increases to 16,000 yards... Range closes to 15,000 yards... Range increases to 18,000 yards... Range increases to 18,000 yards... Both Task Forces evade combat -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Submarine attack near Singkawang at 56,88 Japanese Ships BB Haruna CA Atago CL Jintsu DD Murakumo DD Asashio DD Hibiki DD Akatsuki DD Arashio DD Oshio Allied Ships SS O19, hits 16, and is sunk O19 bottoming out .... DD Hibiki attacking submerged sub .... SS O19 forced to surface! DD Hibiki firing on surfaced sub .... DD Akatsuki firing on surfaced sub .... DD Arashio firing on surfaced sub .... DD Oshio firing on surfaced sub .... DD Hibiki firing on surfaced sub .... DD Akatsuki firing on surfaced sub .... DD Arashio firing on surfaced sub .... DD Oshio firing on surfaced sub .... Sub slips beneath the waves -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Singkawang at 56,88, Range 1,000 Yards Japanese Ships BB Kongo BB Haruna, Shell hits 7 CA Takao, Shell hits 7 CA Atago CL Jintsu DD Asashio, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Oshio DD Arashio DD Akatsuki DD Hibiki DD Hatsuyuki DD Murakumo Allied Ships CL Dragon, Shell hits 6 CL Durban, Shell hits 1 CL Marblehead, Shell hits 3 CL Boise, Shell hits 2 DD Barker DD Bulmer DD Paul Jones DD Parrott, Shell hits 2, on fire DD Stewart, Shell hits 1 Low visibility due to Thunderstorms with 89% moonlight Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms and 89% moonlight: 1,000 yards Range closes to 24,000 yards... Range closes to 18,000 yards... Range closes to 12,000 yards... Range closes to 6,000 yards... Range closes to 1,000 yards... Dockery, L.R. crosses the 'T' CL Dragon engages BB Haruna at 1,000 yards BB Kongo engages CL Dragon at 1,000 yards BB Haruna engages CL Durban at 1,000 yards CL Dragon engages CA Takao at 1,000 yards DD Stewart engages BB Haruna at 1,000 yards BB Haruna engages DD Parrott at 1,000 yards DD Parrott engages DD Hatsuyuki at 1,000 yards DD Hibiki engages DD Stewart at 1,000 yards DD Akatsuki engages DD Stewart at 1,000 yards DD Stewart engages DD Arashio at 1,000 yards DD Parrott engages DD Asashio at 1,000 yards Range increases to 2,000 yards BB Haruna engages CL Boise at 2,000 yards BB Kongo engages CL Marblehead at 2,000 yards CL Durban engages CA Takao at 2,000 yards CL Dragon engages CA Takao at 2,000 yards CL Marblehead engages CL Jintsu at 2,000 yards DD Parrott engages DD Asashio at 2,000 yards DD Hatsuyuki engages DD Parrott at 2,000 yards DD Akatsuki engages DD Parrott at 2,000 yards DD Oshio engages DD Parrott at 2,000 yards Task forces break off... That is the initial combat summary. To be honest I don't know what to make of it. This could be FOW in action or true events. Regarding allied losses. Well, 1-2 CL's will be lost and 2-4 destroyers. The rest of the fleet should be ok. The bad thing is that Dave managed to unload nearly 4000 infantry units into Singkawang. Here is an pic from the area... [image]local://upfiles/15617/922DC9B610DD4B38A2A2017E17518EB6.jpg[/image]

crsutton -> RE: BB Ise reported sunk near Manila (8/20/2009 6:57:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jwilkerson quote: ORIGINAL: aztez I looked at the reinforcement tables and not too much coming through in terms of these ships. Aren't the "Queens" comming in??? They should be ... those guys can probably carry about a division a piece!!! They are not around long, so you should plan their use very carefully. There are a few other very large ships which are around briefly. Hunt them up, plan out their time on the map and you will be able to do the things the Allies did historically - which actually involved very rapid movement of large numbers of troops. But you'd better get the STAFF (you) prepared for this - doesn't sound like you're there yet!![:)] The problem that I have noted with the queens is that they have a large troop load but only a limited cargo load. Seems like 2/3 rds of you average infantry division is cargo so you have to marry fast cargo carriers to the queens to move a division-or move them in two convoys with the bulk of the cargo coming much later. Takes a lot of planning.

jrlans -> RE: BB Ise reported sunk near Manila (8/20/2009 7:15:57 PM)
From the combat reports no torpedo hits were scored hopefully when you see the replay some of the follow on surface combatants have more luck, at best you might have sunk a DD and damaged a CA given the comabat .txt Also how are your TKs fleets looking I am in March 42 and every TK I can scrap together is a blessing. Right now im running large TK fleets out of San Diego, and AK fleets with a mix of fuel, troops and supplies out of LA all escorted by a minimum of 3 to 4 DDs (btw the clemens 4 stackers will make great escorts as either APDs or DE conversions) to luganvile. Also I have thrown every TK with legs into action transporting from Cape Town to Perth and the ausie AKs to move fuel from Perth to Sydney. Even with all this I am still short of fuel in SOPAC

aztez -> RE: BB Ise reported sunk near Manila (8/20/2009 8:06:26 PM)
I didn't recieve turn from Dave so next episode will be played out during the weekend. crsutton: Noticed the same thing. They are fast though and propably wise to use with "load troops only". In overall terms AE seems to be focused on logistical planning. This is an huge leap form the old witp. Personally I'am still trying to cope with this "issue". jrlans: We have agreed to keep combat reports OFF so I guess this adds extra FOW into this PBEM. I did notice that those surface TF's collided though and the damage to my ships indicate the same. Somewhat disappointed though since this was an opportunity that rarely presents itself. The execution wasn't bad but as always we do need some luck to go with it. Basically it was 3 surface TF + PT TF againts those BB's. I wasn't expecting those Nells from malaya either but I think they flew because ships got damaged and tf detection level went up. The tankers. To be honest I need to pay more attention to them. They are spread around and few are making their runs already to the frontline bases. This reorganization is one of the elements I need to look when we enter january 1942. Your supply setup seems logical and organized. Definately better than what I got ongoing here. I know Oz needs fuel. Than again I don't know if the fall of Noumea somewhat changes things. The route to Oz from WC definately needs to be revamped. I will take an hard look on the new situation before making some adjustments to the grand strategy. ..since the fuel is one key element for the allies is also for the IJN? I mean Noumea is far far ahead of Truk! ..and even Truk is far from home islands. If the fuel is an issue for the japan too than I think he might have stretched too far ahead!

sval062 -> RE: BB Ise reported sunk near Manila (8/20/2009 9:20:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: aztez ..since the fuel is one key element for the allies is also for the IJN? I mean Noumea is far far ahead of Truk! ..and even Truk is far from home islands. If the fuel is an issue for the japan too than I think he might have stretched too far ahead! True, but Japan has a central position. So japanese fuel has to make shorter travels than yours, with a greater (although relative) security.

Sardaukar -> RE: BB Ise reported sunk near Manila (8/20/2009 10:21:19 PM)
You might want to check some discussion in this topic: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2213390&mpage=1&key= Allied tanker and oiler shortage is historical and will last for a while. So hauling fuel is going to be difficult if you squander your large TKs and AOs. But it'll never be impossible. Note that you can transport fuel in xAKs, with about 50% cargo space efficiency usually, since it models transportation in fuel drums. Allies will not be that short of xAKs, so it might make sense to use them for fuel hauling too, especially into bases where TKs and especially AOs would be too valuable to risk. Load/unload of fuel from xAK is not very fast, thouhg, since it uses Cargo load rate, not fuel/oil rate which would be 5 times faster. You can always load fuel to xAKs from Capetown and unload it in Perth. Perth is behind low-capacity railway and fuel will not move well via rail because of that, so you'll need to shuttle it to east Oz from there with ships. Save those low-capacity/low-range Dutch and Brit TKs for that from DEI. Remember to escort them a bit though, you don't want to give IJN subs a field day. Short-range Brit and Dutch DDs are good for this.

jrlans -> RE: BB Ise reported sunk near Manila (8/21/2009 6:29:04 PM)
I would use the Cape Town to Perth method and then local tankers to Sydney (as fuel wont flow over the rail line [:@] ) however providing air cover with Noumea taken over Sydney will now have to be a priority. In Jan/42 you get some US P40Es that were destined for the DEI that have a prety quick withdrawl time (mid March/42) but if you delay that withdrawl you can get a decent fighter force in OZ as long as you train them up first (thier starting XP is in the 30s and 40s) As for Japans logistics I have heard that they are short on liquid cappacity at the start but can move enough fuel using AKs to make up for it.

devoncop -> RE: BB Ise reported sunk near Manila (8/21/2009 8:13:59 PM)
Hi... Still here and still loving the AAR. I am tackling WPO this week as a sort of infant school approach to the university that is WITP AE but loving the engine already. Before I saw the result of TITAN I was going to say your analysis seemed spot on and I think it was definately a risk worth taking.I am getting the impression though that the "spotted" levels of particular forces very much seem to affect their vulnerability and I am wondering if the relatively meagre pickings you had were down to incomplete intel on the BB's and invasion fleet.I think the point you made still stands though and those invasion troops are going to lack properly supplied naval and logistic support given how hyperactive Dave has been[:)] He seems a very well organised opponent though. China seems interesting as the strategy of hardening the strongpoints and concentrating suppies and reinforcement on the front line troops, as you are now doing ,I think should pay off as long as the AVG can stop intensive bombing by LBA wearing the troops and fortifications down.If they cant then I think they may only prove to be "road humps!" Keep it up..... and if it is any consolation, in my first game of WPO my ship losses to 1920'sJap air are as bad as yours and they are flying biplanes[:(] !!!! Cheers Ian

aztez -> RE: BB Ise reported sunk near Manila (8/21/2009 9:48:06 PM)
sval: Yeah, the distance is definately shorter. Allthough his BB's and carriers have been very active so I suppose they eat fuel just as much as allied ones. He does have the central position and that is going to multiply soon as DEI falls. Appreciate the comment very much. Sardaukar: Actually bumped into that discussion yesterday. That is definately new "feature" and an problem for the allied side. I had nice bunch of tankers in Australia and they have been given moving orders to start hauling fuel into Oz. I think I can manage to stockpile Australia before anykind of an offensive is about to start. Well, I don't have worry about carriers and BB's since almost every single one of them is sunk or out of picture for months, That is a definately a good reminder what the war is about in AE. jrlans: Agreed. That is the shortest and safest route. I will move some bombers into Perth to cover that short run. Definately somewhat disappointed that fuel flows cannot be controlled since it has become vital issue. The land supply works as intended. I did already recieve those Banshee divebombers and now with the new CAP those might work wonders. The P40E's are due within few days time. Looks like 2 squadrons worth of fighters. Also I did send few US fighter/bombers into Cape Town and will move them into Oz ASAP. Thank god for the new off map bases. These really add reality into battle. Now that Noumea is gone he would have pretty much isolated Oz. Not with the AE though. devoncop: That is good to hear. I want to say thanks to all the guys participating/ reading. This have made the AE experience "sweeter". Hopefully this kind of an AAR gives people the impulse to buy this game since it is an work of art. Hmmm, maybe. Allthough my recon planes did keep track on those BB's. So, it might have made an diffrence or than again not. I think it just came down to bad luck. There has been plenty of that already. We shall see whether he landed enough supplies into Singawang. I bet that the base will fall. Dave is organized and that makes him tough, "evil" and fun. I'am really trying to give him an game for his money worth. If we haven't played allready in Witp i think I would be even worse shape. I still remember when Feinder said that he is tough. I didn't think so at the beginning but oh boy was he right. AVG already did enter the scene last turn and downed around 20 aircraft. At least if the combat reports are to be trusted. As for China... it is developing into huge battleground and I'am starting have some doubts whether I can hold. I will post an pic from there next turn.. but already I'am forced to fight my way through southern china to reach my defensive perimeter. WPO! Hmmm, really have never played and I doubt I have the time now either. AE and Carrier Force Beta testing eats up my spare "computer time"... oh, and this AAR too.

aztez -> The battle of Luzon about to begin! (8/21/2009 9:49:21 PM)
Luzon (december 31st - january 1st 1942) As the intel screen indicated this has been the most hard fought battle so far. IJA entered entered Clark Field and the battle of Luzon is going to start immediately. There are currently 1000av value units behind level 3 fortifications. I have also upgraded quite a few commanders in this theatre too and supply situation is good in whole Luzon area. The bad news is that US fighter losses are mounting. I cannot resist those numerous bomb raids coming through... and yes he has a lot of lba power here including zero fighters. I going to fight it out in the sea too. I can make surface combat raids and try to hit something here. Again the combat.txt file showed this... Night Time Surface Combat, near San Fernando at 80,74, Range 5,000 Yards Japanese Ships BB Nagato, Torpedo hits 1 DD Sanae Allied Ships PT-36 PT-38 PT-39 PT-45 Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 100% moonlight: 12,000 yards CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 5,000 yards CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 5,000 yards Kurohara, Taizo crosses the 'T' Range closes to 2,000 yards DD Sanae engages PT-45 at 2,000 yards DD Sanae engages PT-45 at 2,000 yards DD Sanae engages PT-38 at 2,000 yards DD Sanae engages PT-36 at 2,000 yards Range increases to 3,000 yards BB Nagato engages PT-39 at 3,000 yards BB Nagato engages PT-38 at 3,000 yards BB Nagato engages PT-36 at 3,000 yards Tilden, C. orders Allied TF to disengage Range increases to 5,000 yards BB Nagato engages PT-45 at 5,000 yards DD Sanae engages PT-39 at 5,000 yards BB Nagato engages PT-36 at 5,000 yards Range increases to 11,000 yards BB Nagato engages PT-45 at 11,000 yards DD Sanae engages PT-45 at 11,000 yards BB Nagato engages PT-38 at 11,000 yards BB Nagato engages PT-36 at 11,000 yards Task forces break off... ... I have seen so much of this that I'am skeptical whether we hit anything. Hopefully but I'am not counting on it. Oh, as you see from the pic the new submarine patrol setup "button" has done good job spreading around my submarines. They cover a lot of hexes now and I'am hoping to see some results in the forthcoming days. At the moment though focus is on Clark Field. I'am moving extra 300av worth of infantry from Manila into Clark Field. Those will be replaced from the base south of Manila. Blue arrows = Allied infantry movement. Red circles = The invasion fleets "home bases". I'am conducting raids againts these bases. [image]local://upfiles/15617/AE536C06B5BC49BD9C7A9D7970964BE9.jpg[/image]

aztez -> RE: The battle of Luzon about to begin! (8/21/2009 9:50:32 PM)
Celebes (december 31st - january 1st 1942) I did include an pic here to show how careful and devious Dave really is. Hats off to him again. Red circles = IJN invasions. Red arrow = Invasion TF heading into Kendari I had some bombers staged in Amboina but these have now withdrawn. I didn't like this at all since Ambona kind of controls the whole Celebes area. If you look at the picture you see mini KB covering any attempts of surface interdiction south of Kendari. Nice move and it is working as he intended. I had few bombers flying assaults here last turn but unfortunately we did not hit anything. [image]local://upfiles/15617/5B270D34F36A4D9BBEAEA64A1749CCCE.jpg[/image]

seydlitz_slith -> RE: The battle of Luzon about to begin! (8/22/2009 12:29:00 AM)
I am surprised that Dave didn't split off some of his forces and land at Naga. If he had, he could have forced you to split your Luzon forces in order to hold onto Manila. Normally there is a Legaspi invasion force but I don't see that it landed there. Did he bring that around to Lingayen or did he use it farther south like maybe at Noumea?

Sardaukar -> RE: The battle of Luzon about to begin! (8/22/2009 1:34:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: seydlitz I am surprised that Dave didn't split off some of his forces and land at Naga. If he had, he could have forced you to split your Luzon forces in order to hold onto Manila. Normally there is a Legaspi invasion force but I don't see that it landed there. Did he bring that around to Lingayen or did he use it farther south like maybe at Noumea? With new naval combat system, it is easy to smash uncovered TFs with Allied heavy surface assets. So I don't think IJN player is too keen to split forces. Kind of very good commander he is, I bet his TFs are properly covered with Surface Combat TFs, backed with Carrier TFs. IJN has certain limited amount of assets to cover very wide front, which gives Allied some chances even in early war.

jrlans -> RE: The battle of Luzon about to begin! (8/22/2009 10:16:09 AM)
Looks like an early landing at Abom to cut you off from evacing to Darwin. How is your defence strategy looking for Java? I would imagine those landings are only 30 to 45 days away depending on how long Singapore holds. Also is there still no sign of any incursions into Burma?

aztez -> RE: The battle of Luzon about to begin! (8/22/2009 10:54:42 AM)
seydlitz: I have come to same conclusion what Sardaukar said. He could not have split his forces due lack of escorts and surface combat ships. I still have sizeable army in Manila preparing for the assault there so he would have just ended up fighting in fronts and supplying runs would have hazardous. Only way I see it he could have made 2 landings is with carrier support. As for where those troops are well to be honest I do not know. Sardaukar: Agreed 100%! I think it would have cost a lot more to land in the southern luzon. jrlans: Yeah, that is definately his intent. He also puts pressure on Timor too with this move. Good job and not much to be done againts this. It is coming along slowly. I would say that your estimate is correct. Allthough the only base he has captured so far is Miri and he needs more. I doubt Singapore will be an pushover. I have been building up forts here and preparing. The supply levels are high. I will replace more leaders here too so we shall see whether he can actually wipe the peninsula quickly. There seems to be many units in malaya but I have no intel what kind of strenght there actually is. I don't know yet how much I want to commit into defense of Java. The ABDA fleet is intact. I have moved some smaller units into Java. I'am building up forts here on the strong points.It is an alomo for sure the only question is how much I want to sacrifice here. All the british reinforcements were turned away and ordered to move into India. I could move those Banshees and P40E's from Oz into Java and might be doing so since I send fighters/bombers to Oz via off map bases from WC. I might get them in action as long as I have them instead just letting them sit there and wait for withdrawals.

aztez -> RE: The battle of Luzon about to begin! (8/22/2009 10:55:43 AM)
Luzon (january 2nd and 3rd 1942) As expected Dave launched an immediate ground offensive againts Clark Field. Ground combat at Clark Field (79,76) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 92336 troops, 921 guns, 257 vehicles, Assault Value = 2826 Defending force 33572 troops, 503 guns, 573 vehicles, Assault Value = 1042 Japanese adjusted assault: 1454 Allied adjusted defense: 2134 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 3) Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), experience(-) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: 6206 casualties reported Squads: 25 destroyed, 358 disabled Non Combat: 18 destroyed, 369 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 39 disabled Guns lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled) Vehicles lost 11 (0 destroyed, 11 disabled) Allied ground losses: 3430 casualties reported Squads: 20 destroyed, 249 disabled Non Combat: 22 destroyed, 222 disabled Engineers: 2 destroyed, 24 disabled Guns lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled) Vehicles lost 92 (14 destroyed, 78 disabled) Assaulting units: Yokosuka 4th SNLF 21st Division Sasebo 8th SNLF 22nd Recon Regiment Sasebo 3rd SNLF Tanaka Detachment 48th Engineer Regiment 7th Tank Regiment Kanno Detachment 113th Infantry Rgt /1 16th Infantry Regiment 4th Division 21st Ind. Engineer Regiment I./33rd Inf Regt 1st Formosa Inf. Regiment 56th Engineer Regiment 47th Infantry Regiment 48th Recon Regiment 2nd Tank Regiment 3rd Ind. Engineer Regiment 33rd Division 4th Tank Regiment 56th Recon Regiment 65th Brigade 24th Infantry Regiment I./4th Infantry Bn /4 1st RF Gun Battalion 2nd Field Artillery Regiment 14th Army 3rd Mortar Battalion 9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 6th Naval Construction Battalion 12th JAAF Base Force 26th Fld AA Gun Co 56th Field Artillery Regiment 48th Field AA Battalion 48th Field Artillery Regiment 5th Mortar Battalion 3rd Naval Construction Battalion 14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment 18th Mountain Gun Regiment 31st Fld AA Bn /1 Defending units: 11th PA Infantry Division 57th PS Infantry Regimental Combat Team 31st Infantry Regiment 194th Tank Battalion Subic Bay Defenses 1st PA Constabulary Regiment 192nd Tank Battalion 45th PS Infantry Regimental Combat Team 21st PA Infantry Division 14th PS Engineer Regiment 26th PS Cavalry Regiment 2nd PA Constblry HW Regiment 200th & 515th Coast AA Regiment Far East USAAF Provisional Field Artillery Regiment 803rd Engineer Aviation Battalion I Philippine Corps 88th PS Field Artillery Regiment 1st USMC AA Battalion 1st PI Base Force Clark Field USAAF Base Force 301st PA Field Artillery Regiment ...WOW! Japanese have landed almost 3000av worth of troops. Thank god the forts held up and I think the leader changes were worth every PP spent! The good thing is that supply levels are high so we ban rebuild units and keep building up forts here. This land offensive is supported by massive lba raids againts our ground units. Take an NOTE here: Every single Japanese ground assault is in SHOCK mode. This is happening in china and all over the map. I haven't seen any delibarate assaults. Not an single one yet! I will receive 100av worth of troops in Bataan within 4 days and I have 2 fresh units entering Clark Field next turn. I can add up at least another 400av points here. [image]local://upfiles/15617/E63C201A0B78406494A9BD975D8126A9.jpg[/image]

aztez -> RE: The battle of Luzon about to begin! (8/22/2009 10:56:55 AM)
China (january 2nd and 3rd 1942) The things are not going as planned here. Red arrows = zero sweeps and lba bomber raids. Blue arrows = chinese infantry movement. Red circle = The japanese ground combat victory As I pointed out earlier all the assaults have been in shock mode here. Chinese are not doing as well here. A couple of ground combat results from previous turn... Ground combat at Tsiaotso (88,42) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 19667 troops, 120 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 633 Defending force 11118 troops, 38 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 295 Japanese adjusted assault: 548 Allied adjusted defense: 136 Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 1) Japanese forces CAPTURE Tsiaotso !!! Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: 525 casualties reported Squads: 3 destroyed, 40 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 41 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Allied ground losses: 4977 casualties reported Squads: 180 destroyed, 12 disabled Non Combat: 168 destroyed, 15 disabled Engineers: 35 destroyed, 1 disabled Guns lost 4 (4 destroyed, 0 disabled) Units retreated 2 Defeated Allied Units Retreating! Assaulting units: 101st NCPC Route Brigade 15th RGC Temp. Division 17th RGC Temp. Division 16th RGC Temp. Division 16th Ind.Mixed Brigade 3rd Ind.Mixed Brigade 1st NCPC Infantry Brigade Defending units: 27th Chinese Corps 5th New Chinese Corps -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Wenchow (89,58) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 15561 troops, 124 guns, 65 vehicles, Assault Value = 457 Defending force 2206 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 36 Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0 Japanese adjusted assault: 421 Allied adjusted defense: 13 Japanese assault odds: 32 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Wenchow !!! Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), experience(-) Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+), leaders(-) Allied ground losses: 930 casualties reported Squads: 8 destroyed, 8 disabled Non Combat: 36 destroyed, 34 disabled Engineers: 10 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled) Units retreated 1 Defeated Allied Units Retreating! Assaulting units: 38th Division Defending units: 14th Chinese Base Force ...so without forts you are going to get routed here. I have taken an note about the effectiviness of shock assaults. (Amboina did fall too with the initial assault. level 2 forts did not do much againts shock offensive) Basically I'am shifting units in order to halt this offensive here. AVG did not perform well againts those sweeping zeros either. We lost more than ac than downed. Not good at all. IJA is also trying to trap out troops in southern china. There are 4 units north Pucheng trying to block the crossroad there. At least one of these unit was routed few days earlier. The push towards inner china will begin soon. [image]local://upfiles/15617/ACADF62E56BA4601A60263E87D3A3B48.jpg[/image]

aztez -> RE: The battle of Luzon about to begin! (8/22/2009 10:58:27 AM)
Central pacific (january 2nd and 3rd 1942) I have been unloading at Christmas Island while Dave kept busy elsewhere with his operations, There have been few submarines around and those have sunk few ships. Now it seems we are getting the attention of IJN carriers. I noticed this in operational report.. "TF 218 snooped by Japanese Aircraft at 174,141 near Christmas Island" "PBY-5 Catalina reports radio transmissions at 174, 141 near Christmas Island" So it seems some of his carriers have fueled at Truk and are heading towards this area. (The red circle indicate the estimate are of these carriers) Lesson: Really check those reports since they can reveal a lot of stuff. Not directly but indirectly. [image]local://upfiles/15617/2764E1EC7C494E69A0195C276FEF491B.jpg[/image]

sval062 -> RE: The battle of Luzon about to begin! (8/22/2009 11:20:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sardaukar With new naval combat system, it is easy to smash uncovered TFs with Allied heavy surface assets. So I don't think IJN player is too keen to split forces. Kind of very good commander he is, I bet his TFs are properly covered with Surface Combat TFs, backed with Carrier TFs. IJN has certain limited amount of assets to cover very wide front, which gives Allied some chances even in early war. It really depends on both the situation and japanese strategy. On my pbem (playing Japanese) I was able to land at Legaspi, Davao and Altimoman in addition of Dave's landings at the same period. It happened the second week of the war and each invasion was covered by at least 2 CAs or 4 CLs, with CVLs providing air coverage. I agree to say that I had no unallocated warships.[;)] --> It is possible if Jap player wants to [8D] The only invasion made so far and not covered was Ternate since I wanted this base shortly in order to have air recon in the area. The third weeks will see BB fleets to cover the second wave (since Force Z is still alive, I need BBs in DEI).

aztez -> RE: The battle of Luzon about to begin! (8/22/2009 4:24:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sval quote: ORIGINAL: Sardaukar With new naval combat system, it is easy to smash uncovered TFs with Allied heavy surface assets. So I don't think IJN player is too keen to split forces. Kind of very good commander he is, I bet his TFs are properly covered with Surface Combat TFs, backed with Carrier TFs. IJN has certain limited amount of assets to cover very wide front, which gives Allied some chances even in early war. It really depends on both the situation and japanese strategy. On my pbem (playing Japanese) I was able to land at Legaspi, Davao and Altimoman in addition of Dave's landings at the same period. It happened the second week of the war and each invasion was covered by at least 2 CAs or 4 CLs, with CVLs providing air coverage. I agree to say that I had no unallocated warships.[;)] --> It is possible if Jap player wants to [8D] The only invasion made so far and not covered was Ternate since I wanted this base shortly in order to have air recon in the area. The third weeks will see BB fleets to cover the second wave (since Force Z is still alive, I need BBs in DEI). I have no doubts that you can pull it off. It just the grand strategy you deciede to follow. Actually have come around your "nickname" few times and lets just say that the allies where recieving end of those "stories"! [:D]

aztez -> RE: The battle of Luzon about to begin! (8/22/2009 4:37:21 PM)
Allied supply lines in early 1942 I did recieve the combat replay turn. Somewhat quiet if you don't include the heavy lba raids againts Clark Field. These have been quite succesfull too in terms of ground losses. So, instead of posting any operational summary I deciede to draw an map how the supplies / fuel will be delivered to the frontline. These routes are mostly already on motion. Few of these are being build up ie. Tahiti area which can be useful now with AE. It can serve as secondary fuel/supply are for the allies. It is not initially reachable with air raids and has few islands that can support large airfields. At least to my opinion this is not to be forgotten part of the map. We also discussed about the "operational report" intel last post. I can confirm that carriers were spotted this turn and they will sunk few allied transports in the forthcoming turns. This also shows why you need Tahiti and few other bases in the rear since Pago Pago, Christmas Island and Fiji's are vulnerable to japanese carrier/surface raids at the beginning. Instead of having all your supplies and fuel into these bases I think it will be wise to think those key bases as frontline bases which will recieve supplies and fuel when needed from nearby bases such as Tahiti. I talked about those WC air units that have withdrawal dates set to mid 1942. Some of these are sent into Cape Town and others will be deployed so that they can protect our supply lines. It is pretty obvious that Japanese hold the "centre" position so the allies priority is to setup his own asap. Here is the map... next time around the normal operational analysis will be posted. Keep in mind that this very early stages yet but these guide lines will be followed. Even if some setbacks are made we still have plenty of options to deliver the goods. [image]local://upfiles/15617/8105E8A287504212A1165303B4CC7AE7.jpg[/image]

aztez -> RE: The battle of Luzon about to begin! (8/23/2009 12:27:33 PM)
Luzon (january 4th - 7th 1942) There has been no additional ground assaults launched againts Clark Field after the initial offensive was repulsed. Instead Dave has brought in even more lba bombers and our troops receive several raids daily with no chance of decent fighter cover. I think this is good move regarding this operation. In the AE bombers really are not worthless flying ground combat missions. Here is an example from the combat reports regarding these bombing missions. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77 Weather in hex: Overcast Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 26 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 7 Allied aircraft P-26A x 1 P-40E Warhawk x 1 No Japanese losses No Allied losses Aircraft Attacking: 7 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 18000 feet CAP engaged: 35th PG/21st PS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 16000 Raid is overhead 6th PS PAAC with P-26A (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 16000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 7 minutes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Clark Field , at 79,76 Weather in hex: Heavy rain Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 40 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-21-Ic Sally x 21 Ki-21-IIa Sally x 43 Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 14 Ki-51 Sonia x 12 Allied aircraft P-35A x 1 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21-Ic Sally: 2 damaged Ki-21-IIa Sally: 9 damaged Ki-51 Sonia: 1 damaged Allied ground losses: 89 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Vehicles lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled) Airbase hits 1 Runway hits 5 Aircraft Attacking: 21 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 10000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb 19 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 10000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb 21 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 10000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb 6 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 10000 feet 12 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 10000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 50 kg GP Bomb 3 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 10000 feet Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb CAP engaged: 35th PG/34th PS with P-35A (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 16000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 34 minutes Also attacking Subic Bay Defenses ... Also attacking 31st PA Infantry Division ... Also attacking 2nd PA Constblry HW Regiment ... Also attacking 21st PA Infantry Division ... Also attacking 31st Infantry Regiment ... Also attacking Clark Field USAAF Base Force ... Also attacking 45th PS Infantry Regimental Combat Team ... Also attacking 57th PS Infantry Regimental Combat Team ... Also attacking Clark Field ... Also attacking Subic Bay Defenses ... Also attacking 31st PA Infantry Division ... Also attacking 2nd PA Constblry HW Regiment ... Also attacking 21st PA Infantry Division ... Also attacking Subic Bay Defenses ... Also attacking 31st PA Infantry Division ... Also attacking 2nd PA Constblry HW Regiment ... Also attacking 31st Infantry Regiment ... Also attacking Clark Field USAAF Base Force ... Also attacking 45th PS Infantry Regimental Combat Team ... Also attacking Subic Bay Defenses ... Also attacking 31st PA Infantry Division ... Also attacking 2nd PA Constblry HW Regiment ... Also attacking 21st PA Infantry Division ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Manila at 79,77 Weather in hex: Overcast Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 11 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-30 Ann x 11 Allied aircraft P-26A x 1 P-40E Warhawk x 1 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-30 Ann: 3 damaged Allied Ships DD Scout Aircraft Attacking: 11 x Ki-30 Ann attacking from 100 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb CAP engaged: 35th PG/21st PS with P-40E Warhawk (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 16000 Raid is overhead 6th PS PAAC with P-26A (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 16000 Raid is overhead -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Clark Field , at 79,76 Weather in hex: Heavy rain Raid detected at 27 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 9 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-51 Sonia x 14 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-51 Sonia: 3 damaged Airbase hits 3 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 33 Aircraft Attacking: 14 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 6000 feet Airfield Attack: 4 x 50 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 21st PA Infantry Division, at 79,76 (Clark Field) Weather in hex: Light rain Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 27 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-21-Ic Sally x 15 Ki-21-IIa Sally x 15 Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 14 Ki-51 Sonia x 12 Allied aircraft P-35A x 1 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21-Ic Sally: 2 damaged Ki-21-IIa Sally: 2 damaged Ki-51 Sonia: 1 damaged Allied ground losses: 35 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled) Aircraft Attacking: 12 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 10000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 50 kg GP Bomb 15 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 10000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb 15 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 10000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb 8 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 10000 feet CAP engaged: 35th PG/34th PS with P-35A (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 16000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 14 minutes Also attacking Subic Bay Defenses ... Also attacking 21st PA Infantry Division ... Also attacking Subic Bay Defenses ... Also attacking 21st PA Infantry Division ... Also attacking Subic Bay Defenses ... Also attacking 21st PA Infantry Division ... Also attacking Subic Bay Defenses ... The biggest change vs witp is that these strikes harm more units than one. With this change these runs are definately worthwile efforts. Dave also has several squadrons on naval strikes and taking into consideration of all the changes made plenty of reserve bombers too. I do expect the Clark Field to recieve next ground offensive within days time or so. Otherwise it has been relatively quiet around the map. Thus meaning he is propably planning for next huge operation. My bet would be large scale offensive againts ABDA forces. Enemy carriers are near Christmas Island / Palmyra area. US submarine tried to attack CV Akagi but unfortunately this was not succesfull. [image]local://upfiles/15617/2F70D5A6860649FD8E5FC83E8FE8ECCD.jpg[/image]

Sardaukar -> RE: The battle of Luzon about to begin! (8/23/2009 2:40:09 PM)
By the way, don't forget to lay some mines. Allied mine pool is not too big, but use what you got. And have that Argonaut to lay minefields. You may get lucky with them.

aztez -> RE: The battle of Luzon about to begin! (8/23/2009 4:30:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sardaukar By the� way, don't forget to lay some mines. Allied mine pool is not too big, but use what you got. And have that Argonaut to lay minefields. You may get lucky with them.� Definately. I'am constantly mining in all areas possible. Allthough they don't seem to mount for much but hopefully we will get some lucky hits! [:D]

aztez -> RE: The battle of Luzon about to begin! (8/23/2009 4:31:39 PM)
Luzon (january 8th and 9th 1942) As expected those numerous airstrikes were the beginning of the 2nd ground assault againts Clark Field. Yet again allied troops repulsed this offensive but the losses were horrible to both sides. Ground combat at Clark Field (79,76) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 95215 troops, 913 guns, 653 vehicles, Assault Value = 2690 Defending force 28661 troops, 484 guns, 541 vehicles, Assault Value = 855 Japanese adjusted assault: 1643 Allied adjusted defense: 2164 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 3) Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), experience(-) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: 2356 casualties reported Squads: 23 destroyed, 146 disabled Non Combat: 26 destroyed, 114 disabled Engineers: 14 destroyed, 48 disabled Guns lost 4 (3 destroyed, 1 disabled) Vehicles lost 54 (2 destroyed, 52 disabled) Allied ground losses: 5326 casualties reported Squads: 37 destroyed, 291 disabled Non Combat: 39 destroyed, 272 disabled Engineers: 4 destroyed, 61 disabled Guns lost 4 (2 destroyed, 2 disabled) Vehicles lost 62 (16 destroyed, 46 disabled) Assaulting units: I./33rd Inf Regt 56th Engineer Regiment 4th Division 48th Recon Regiment 4th Tank Regiment 16th Infantry Regiment 33rd Division 21st Division 48th Engineer Regiment 24th Infantry Regiment 21st Ind. Engineer Regiment 7th Tank Regiment Sasebo 8th SNLF 56th Recon Regiment 1st Formosa Inf. Regiment 2nd Tank Regiment Sasebo 3rd SNLF 3rd Ind. Engineer Regiment 65th Brigade 113th Infantry Rgt /1 Kanno Detachment 47th Infantry Regiment 22nd Recon Regiment Tanaka Detachment I./4th Infantry Bn /4 3rd Mortar Battalion 48th Field Artillery Regiment 1st RF Gun Battalion 3rd Naval Construction Battalion 14th Army 12th JAAF Base Force 2nd Field Artillery Regiment 8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 5th Mortar Battalion 1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment 48th Field AA Battalion 14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 26th Fld AA Gun Co 56th Field Artillery Regiment 6th Naval Construction Battalion 2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 18th Mountain Gun Regiment 31st Fld AA Bn /1 Defending units: 31st Infantry Regiment 31st PA Infantry Division 14th PS Engineer Regiment 192nd Tank Battalion 1st PA Constabulary Regiment 26th PS Cavalry Regiment 21st PA Infantry Division 45th PS Infantry Regimental Combat Team 194th Tank Battalion 57th PS Infantry Regimental Combat Team Subic Bay Defenses 2nd PA Constblry HW Regiment 803rd Engineer Aviation Battalion Clark Field USAAF Base Force 200th & 515th Coast AA Regiment 1st PI Base Force 88th PS Field Artillery Regiment I Philippine Corps Provisional Field Artillery Regiment Far East USAAF 301st PA Field Artillery Regiment Eventhough we did manage defend the perimeter our losses were nearly double compared to the japanese ones. I have no doubt that 3rd offensive is to be expected within 4 days time. I don't have turn yet just the combat replay file so I cannot check what kind of damage this assault did. Not looking too good though. [image]local://upfiles/15617/385433FFFCB2414886A015C51C8FD77E.jpg[/image]

aztez -> RE: The battle of Luzon about to begin! (8/23/2009 4:32:47 PM)
China (january 8th and 9th 1942) Another bad day in the office here. This can be divided into 2 separate issue. It really seems that chinese infantry units are pretty much useless and japanese can roam free and assault at will. Here are the latest combat summaries below. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 89,31 Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 1536 troops, 0 guns, 144 vehicles, Assault Value = 81 Defending force 4904 troops, 55 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 130 Japanese adjusted assault: 69 Allied adjusted defense: 21 Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: disruption(-), morale(-), experience(-) Attacker: shock(+), fatigue(-) Japanese ground losses: Vehicles lost 16 (1 destroyed, 15 disabled) Allied ground losses: 1602 casualties reported Squads: 58 destroyed, 11 disabled Non Combat: 64 destroyed, 2 disabled Engineers: 4 destroyed, 5 disabled Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled) Units retreated 2 Defeated Allied Units Retreating! Assaulting units: 23rd Tank Regiment Defending units: 11th Chinese Corps 81st Chinese/C Corps -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 92,36 Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 39246 troops, 268 guns, 101 vehicles, Assault Value = 1236 Defending force 15410 troops, 87 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 388 Japanese adjusted assault: 1603 Allied adjusted defense: 67 Japanese assault odds: 23 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: 938 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 107 disabled Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 54 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled Vehicles lost 3 (0 destroyed, 3 disabled) Allied ground losses: 8901 casualties reported Squads: 238 destroyed, 64 disabled Non Combat: 247 destroyed, 115 disabled Engineers: 5 destroyed, 7 disabled Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled) Units retreated 5 Defeated Allied Units Retreating! Assaulting units: 41st Division 4th Ind.Mixed Brigade 37th Division 3rd NCPC Infantry Brigade 2nd NCPC Infantry Brigade 102nd NCPC Route Brigade 4th NCPC Infantry Brigade Defending units: 35th Chinese/B Corps 3rd Prov Chinese Corps 35th Chinese/C Corps 22nd Chinese/B Corps 13th Group Army -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 84,48 Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 2634 troops, 12 guns, 17 vehicles, Assault Value = 108 Defending force 3611 troops, 24 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 71 Japanese adjusted assault: 119 Allied adjusted defense: 83 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), experience(-) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: Vehicles lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled) Allied ground losses: 194 casualties reported Squads: 2 destroyed, 7 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 20 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Assaulting units: 9th Armored Car Co 11th RGC Temp. Division Defending units: 30th Chinese/C Corps -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 84,48 Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 2642 troops, 12 guns, 17 vehicles, Assault Value = 107 Defending force 3388 troops, 24 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 60 Japanese adjusted assault: 109 Allied adjusted defense: 13 Japanese assault odds: 8 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), experience(-) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: 6 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Vehicles lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled) Allied ground losses: 1393 casualties reported Squads: 36 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 80 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled) Units retreated 1 Defeated Allied Units Retreating! Assaulting units: 9th Armored Car Co 11th RGC Temp. Division Defending units: 30th Chinese/C Corps ...this is horrible indeed. If you look at the losses than it speaks volumes. Chinese have suffered losses worse than 10:1! I sure do hope these guys are using bullets since we seem unable to cause any damage at all. I mean shocking is the most likely word to describe this. There was the thread started by someone on "how japanese didn't stand a chance and chinese would storm through this theatre"...well, really no comments! Keep in mind that we are not allowing any resource bombings made here by either side. Just think when japanese start bombing the light industry! It pretty much is good day and good night! The second problem is AVG. These guys have yet to down a single Zero after those sweeps started. This is from the last turn. Morning Air attack on Changsha , at 82,52 Weather in hex: Severe storms Raid spotted at 46 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 15 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 14 Allied aircraft H81-A3 x 8 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses H81-A3: 3 destroyed Aircraft Attacking: 10 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 24000 feet CAP engaged: AVG/2nd Sqn with H81-A3 (0 airborne, 3 on standby, 0 scrambling) 3 plane(s) intercepting now. 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters to 16000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 6 minutes AVG/3rd Sqn with H81-A3 (0 airborne, 3 on standby, 0 scrambling) 3 plane(s) intercepting now. 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters to 16000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 6 minutes So, it seems he is sweeping at alltitude of 24,000. I have CAP at 16000 so I guess I need to up this to 25000 or such. These are the elite pilots of AVG so I would expect a lot more from these. This is just one air battle of many that have occured. Oh, and there was the thread on how "poor and outdated the zeros are from the beginning". All in all not good, not good at all! [image]local://upfiles/15617/086C5E9332EE465D89BD59D224442E59.jpg[/image]

jimh009 -> RE: The battle of Luzon about to begin! (8/23/2009 7:18:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: aztez China (january 8th and 9th 1942) Another bad day in the office here. This can be divided into 2 separate issue. It really seems that chinese infantry units are pretty much useless and japanese can roam free and assault at will. Your statement nicely sums up the situation in China during the first months of the war. But take heart...the Chinese have more men than the Japanese have bullets.

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