RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies)

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seydlitz_slith -> RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies) (10/3/2009 3:23:26 AM)
In China I have continued my advance on Sian north of the river while south of the river I am locked in a temporary standoff with a large number of Chinese units at Loyang. I am content with the situation at present because I have additional units enroute that will allow me to complete the taking of Loyang. Right now, his units are tied up there and are not falling back to defend Sian. Hopefully my units north of the road will be one hex out of Sian at about the time that I kick him out of Loyang. [image]local://upfiles/6829/B2B25550E51045D183209D3D6E9AFF53.jpg[/image]

seydlitz_slith -> RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies) (10/3/2009 3:27:43 AM)
Down south, I am trading bombardment attacks with him at Changsha. I do not have enough strength to take the city yet, but I will in about two weeks as I have additional units enroute. At Nanning I am also close to parity with him so I will try to keep wearing him down until I can take him. My main concern here is that I keep him busy and do not allow him to move the units that he has there to another place. [image]local://upfiles/6829/033B396FEEE04D46BFA0ED96C82A4684.jpg[/image]

seydlitz_slith -> RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies) (10/3/2009 3:46:45 AM)
On the air front the weather was bad across most of the map. However, in Korea my bad weather air op plan paid off. I focused all operations on Voroshilov so I had enough fighters on station in the hex to fly all of my bomber missions against his units in the hex forthe second turn. My large stack of units has moved 20 of the 46 miles from Rybilov and should be in the hex and ready to attack in about 3 turns. By that time I hope to have several of his units disrupted through bombing. Up north, my weak stack of units that failed in their attack on Birobdhzahn a few turns ago have finally managed to break contact and are heading for friendly lines to heal up with the exception of a cav unit that will move up the rail line a couple of hexes to keep the supply line blocked. I am lucky that I did not lose most of these units as their disrutption levels were in the high eighties and even as high as 97 for one unit. Here is what the air losses looked like: [image]local://upfiles/6829/4E132BEDA1234574B32F5F395D155762.jpg[/image]

seydlitz_slith -> RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies) (10/3/2009 3:48:26 AM)
Here were the naval losses during the turn. FYI, the KB is almost to Truk. Hopefully my arrival in the Solomans will be a surprise. [image]local://upfiles/6829/5CE901FD04BC430E9F27B9AB75DF817F.jpg[/image]

seydlitz_slith -> RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies) (10/3/2009 3:50:41 AM)
I had proof that his American subs are still out there. My ASW forces detected a Sargo class and attacked her to no effect during the turn. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near Hengchun at 84,68 Japanese Ships DD Suzukaze Allied Ships SS Sargo Sargo diving deep ....... DD Suzukaze fails to find sub, continues to search...... DD Suzukaze fails to find sub, continues to search...... DD Suzukaze fails to find sub, continues to search...... DD Suzukaze fails to find sub, continues to search...... DD Suzukaze fails to find sub, continues to search...... Escort abandons search for sub... [image]local://upfiles/6829/6D10D3FA630D45AEBEEFE7E6CE0B21C9.jpg[/image]

seydlitz_slith -> RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies) (10/3/2009 3:55:07 AM)
In a few more turns, I will be landing my second wave at Okha so that I can end the standoff there. The transports are in position, but the battleships have to steam up to Etoforu Jima to join them. It will be only three battleships since the others are still undergoing repairs from the last voyage. Amazing how much these older ships break down. I want to run through several screens to show people where we are at this point on various pools and such. Here we go.. First is allied warship losses to date (Jan 15, 42). [image]local://upfiles/6829/9A4AE633EC7545189B2FD26FAEC72D0A.jpg[/image]

seydlitz_slith -> RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies) (10/3/2009 3:55:39 AM)
allied ship losses page 2. [image]local://upfiles/6829/0A1DB80C583D423391B9C0639F2FF672.jpg[/image]

seydlitz_slith -> RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies) (10/3/2009 3:56:26 AM)
Japanese warship losses during the first 40 turns... [image]local://upfiles/6829/B21C147FA3C44BCFA8192AE6331E5557.jpg[/image]

seydlitz_slith -> RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies) (10/3/2009 4:02:00 AM)
Now to show you what my ship arrivals look like as of mid-Jan. We are playing with fixed historical entry (no variability) on ship arrivals. I halted all CVE construction and accelerated several tankers, APs, destroyers, and the Musashi. If everything works out, Yamato will be completed on May 20th and Musashi will finish on June 8th. Already her arrival time has advanced to October from the original date in early December. Common sense says that I should have went straight to the carriers and just suspended the Musashi, but the JFB in me won out and I took my normal course of accelerating Musashi so that both arrived close together. As soon as they are complete I will start accelerating carriers like crazy. [image]local://upfiles/6829/6EC33760C4C243BE826349C8A0AFB51E.jpg[/image]

seydlitz_slith -> RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies) (10/3/2009 4:02:46 AM)
Here are the DDs... [image]local://upfiles/6829/720958840DCB46C1BCBBD001323936F9.jpg[/image]

seydlitz_slith -> RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies) (10/3/2009 4:03:32 AM)
Carriers...none accelerated. [image]local://upfiles/6829/837DB3855BA74399AD7A3B5B81511CDF.jpg[/image]

seydlitz_slith -> RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies) (10/3/2009 4:04:16 AM)
Here are the APs with several arriving early. [image]local://upfiles/6829/20774EB3F58B4940B724600E9745FE77.jpg[/image]

seydlitz_slith -> RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies) (10/3/2009 4:05:06 AM)
Here are the tankers... [image]local://upfiles/6829/E8E4F2B6EE724B07A519C23CE4D1C016.jpg[/image]

seydlitz_slith -> RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies) (10/3/2009 4:05:41 AM)
AK arrivals [image]local://upfiles/6829/7904B8982D8845C3BDCEAA4761105B7D.jpg[/image]

seydlitz_slith -> RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies) (10/3/2009 4:07:26 AM)
Japan gets a large number of SCs coming up soon. They are slow and short legged, but they carry a good amount of depth charges and have an ASW rating of 8, which is the best Japan has at this stage of the game. [image]local://upfiles/6829/768E1314D196418C86639374146A3C3D.jpg[/image]

seydlitz_slith -> RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies) (10/3/2009 4:08:35 AM)
This is what the overall near term ship arrivals look like.. [image]local://upfiles/6829/E6DB983B477145D3A5D470AC01B0C842.jpg[/image]

seydlitz_slith -> RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies) (10/3/2009 4:09:37 AM)
Here are what upcoming ground reinforcements look like as of Jan 16, 1942: [image]local://upfiles/6829/86EDC79E6DF446B59AA8A54D12294339.jpg[/image]

seydlitz_slith -> RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies) (10/3/2009 4:10:20 AM)
Here are air unit arrivals [image]local://upfiles/6829/8944A5FB213F42C18B072CF0E99F36DF.jpg[/image]

seydlitz_slith -> RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies) (10/3/2009 4:13:20 AM)
Here is my engine pool. Remember, I did expansions on turn one so I am building up my industry as fast as possible. This should be a good reality check if you see this. There is no instant avalanche of Japanese production. It takes a long time to getto the point where you have a surplus of anything except for obsolete engines or airframes. Ida anyone? [image]local://upfiles/6829/BC1FFB3E43A74420B23D0874E35D22A7.jpg[/image]

seydlitz_slith -> RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies) (10/3/2009 4:17:25 AM)
Here is my current aircraft research. Note that I am focussing on a few types. The Helen I is my near term focus as I want it for my primary army bomber and ASW aircraft. I am also investing a lot of points in the KI-84a Frank. It is not due until early 44 but I have a significant number of R&D facilities repairing to work on it and when they all get repaired I will be researching a couple hundred a month. If I can get lucky enough to get this fighter in late 43 (October would be nice) then it could be a game changer. [image]local://upfiles/6829/C4C3BDFC6E3643FA8A14A8D047A6C5C1.jpg[/image]

seydlitz_slith -> RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies) (10/3/2009 4:18:19 AM)
Here is my current fighter pool [image]local://upfiles/6829/E69C3154205E44D6899498AD546C7AC6.jpg[/image]

seydlitz_slith -> RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies) (10/3/2009 4:19:45 AM)
Note that I still have several Claude units on the map. I have only upgraded two of them to Zeroes. There are still Claudes flying at Truk. Here are the bombers. [image]local://upfiles/6829/D06D64F6BEEB45C58970FB034996E767.jpg[/image]

seydlitz_slith -> RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies) (10/3/2009 4:22:25 AM)
Things should continue to heat up over the next few turns. Hopefully the production screenshots were helpful to some. I will try to get an armaments pool shot in the next couple of turns for those that asked. This will be relevant with those Japanese infantry reinforcements that will be arriving soon. I should have the next turn processed and the results up on here tomorrow evening. I am greatly enjoying the ideas and commentary.

bklooste -> RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies) (10/3/2009 4:46:33 AM)
quote: With Manila gone he can only retreat to Iba or Bataan. Most of his supply stockpiles are gone and all of my Manila forces are on the way. I strongly feel that my opponent should have consolidated all of his forces in Manila earlier. The terrain mulitplier would have favored his combined stacks and he would have had supply. The problem with that is you loose the Bataan run away which can take a while for Japan to clear and keep Manilla harbor closed. Bataan has nice terrain and excellent artillery for a last stand though its not as effective as historical. SO keep 40% in Manila , 60% in Clarke hopefully Manila troops will retreat to Clarke.. I think your attack is the best counter to this strategy.

bklooste -> RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies) (10/3/2009 5:07:48 AM)
quote: Carriers...none accelerated. Why not halt the 45 ones and accelerate 1 or 2 42 ones. You don't need Carriers in 45 anyway. Also with the Frank Research i heard the maximum acceleration is 3 months. So 44/1

seydlitz_slith -> RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies) (10/3/2009 1:48:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bklooste quote: Carriers...none accelerated. Why not halt the 45 ones and accelerate 1 or 2 42 ones. You don't need Carriers in 45 anyway. Also with the Frank Research i heard the maximum acceleration is 3 months. So 44/1 I have a routine for this. As soon as the Yamato and Musashi are done, you will see me acclerating my carriers with a fury. The Frank deal may be true. I intend to find out. If it isn't that would be very cool for Japan.

Takeshi -> RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies) (10/3/2009 2:11:15 PM)
How is your supply and HI holding up with all the expansion?

offenseman -> RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies) (10/3/2009 5:45:33 PM)
Even in 1/44 having Franks to provide land based fighter support over the IJN would be really nice to have. I always thought the R&D of stock was a bit too much. 3 months seems reasonable to me.

bklooste -> RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies) (10/4/2009 3:40:52 AM)
quote: he 45 ones and accelerate 1 or 2 42 ones. You don't need Carriers in 45 anyway. Just saw a new thread on this and conclusions from testing -there is no limit to the amount you can accelerate ( so looks like the 3month rumour was incorrect) - Unrepairer factories produce no research points - Research factories have greatly decreasing returns of scale. so 2 * 30 factories is much better than 1 * 100. - Acceleration is for each 100 points accumulated and the chance is based on how many months away.

seydlitz_slith -> RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies) (10/4/2009 7:19:29 PM)
[/quote] Just saw a new thread on this and conclusions from testing -there is no limit to the amount you can accelerate ( so looks like the 3month rumour was incorrect) - Unrepairer factories produce no research points - Research factories have greatly decreasing returns of scale. so 2 * 30 factories is much better than 1 * 100. - Acceleration is for each 100 points accumulated and the chance is based on how many months away. [/quote] I am not certain that this is correct as I seem to be getting research points on factories that are repairing. I saw the post but I made these changes in the first couple of turns and paid the HI for the expansion. I expanded several factories to expand to 120 per month and it will be several months and a bunch of supply before they are repaired. However, when that happens I hope that I am able to make up ground on the research. Either way, I will be producing a significant number of Franks right off the bat whenever I get the plane. I certainly hope that the poster is incorrect in his assumptions but only time will tell. From what I recall, his points were based on a mix of witp expereince plus one month of tests in AE.

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