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Nikademus -> RE: Manila or Pearl-new paradigm? (6/30/2010 8:33:59 PM)

LOL. On turn 2 of my new GC mod test.....the AI just hit Enterprise at max range using 111 x B5N's. (and bombs) Ent is badly damaged and burning out of control. May lose her. Thought i'd waypointed her out of the way enough but apparantly i was wrong. That dastardly AI is an AWESOME opponent. Acomplished what a dozen PBEM opponents could'nt achieve [:D]

I DEMAND A RESTART!




Speedysteve -> RE: Manila or Pearl-new paradigm? (6/30/2010 9:35:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: bklooste

FatR expereinces are iMHO more normal esp with dud torps, i dont understand how you can get so many hits in the DEI as these shoudl be well escorted troop convoys ( and he should have some naval search up unless he is suicidal) though you can get lucky with some war ships.  Supply and resources convoys dont really move through there till later.

If you go by the 1 ship in 11 days  you get 100 or so ships in the war .  As this is reduced by the fact these subs will be attritioned  and not all subs are from Manilla i think 100 or so ships is right.



I have to disagree to an extent....at least in terms of it depends on the deployment of those Manila subs and the reaction of the Japanese opponent. Not blowing my trumpet here but I'm generally pretty good with subs IMO and as an example from my current PBEM here's the ships totals due to subs so far to give you the other end of the spectrum view. Of course this is with the SRA sub force as a whole. This is by the end of April 1942:

Sub kills:

Dutch Boats:

AK - 16
CM - 2
PB - 1
DMS - 3
TB - 1
APD - 1
DD - 2
TK - 2

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British Boats:

DD - 1 (mine)
SC - 1
TK - 1

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Fleet Boats:

AP - 1
AK - 24
CM - 1
DD - 2
E - 1

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S-Boats:

AK - 5
CM - 1




herwin -> RE: Manila or Pearl-new paradigm? (7/1/2010 7:26:36 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Nikademus

LOL. On turn 2 of my new GC mod test.....the AI just hit Enterprise at max range using 111 x B5N's. (and bombs) Ent is badly damaged and burning out of control. May lose her. Thought i'd waypointed her out of the way enough but apparantly i was wrong. That dastardly AI is an AWESOME opponent. Acomplished what a dozen PBEM opponents could'nt achieve [:D]

I DEMAND A RESTART!


Based at Truk or Rabaul?

The Japanese did do that early in the real campaign. Attrition eventually saw them off.




bklooste -> RE: Manila or Pearl-new paradigm? (7/1/2010 9:05:44 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Speedy


quote:

ORIGINAL: bklooste

FatR expereinces are iMHO more normal esp with dud torps, i dont understand how you can get so many hits in the DEI as these shoudl be well escorted troop convoys ( and he should have some naval search up unless he is suicidal) though you can get lucky with some war ships.  Supply and resources convoys dont really move through there till later.

If you go by the 1 ship in 11 days  you get 100 or so ships in the war .  As this is reduced by the fact these subs will be attritioned  and not all subs are from Manilla i think 100 or so ships is right.



I have to disagree to an extent....at least in terms of it depends on the deployment of those Manila subs and the reaction of the Japanese opponent. Not blowing my trumpet here but I'm generally pretty good with subs IMO and as an example from my current PBEM here's the ships totals due to subs so far to give you the other end of the spectrum view. Of course this is with the SRA sub force as a whole. This is by the end of April 1942:

Sub kills:

Dutch Boats:

AK - 16
CM - 2
PB - 1
DMS - 3
TB - 1
APD - 1
DD - 2
TK - 2

----------------------------------

British Boats:

DD - 1 (mine)
SC - 1
TK - 1

----------------------------------

Fleet Boats:

AP - 1
AK - 24
CM - 1
DD - 2
E - 1

----------------------------------

S-Boats:

AK - 5
CM - 1



Do you have a break down of what the fleet subs at Manilla did though .. were not taliing about the rest . They have crappy torpedos the whole war.




Speedysteve -> RE: Manila or Pearl-new paradigm? (7/1/2010 1:20:31 PM)

I can't be 100% precise but I know that Fleet Boats have only been active and successful from either Manila or some from the Aleutians. Aleutian boats have sunk about 7 x AK's. The rest of the ships have been sunk by Manila based Fleet Boats. Also all of the S-Boats kills have been in the SRA from Manila based boats.

I am fairly sure though that my results could be near the other end of the bell curve. Maybe the average is somewhere in the middle between my results and the lower/less successful results.




Nikademus -> RE: Manila or Pearl-new paradigm? (7/1/2010 3:15:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: herwin


Based at Truk or Rabaul?

The Japanese did do that early in the real campaign. Attrition eventually saw them off.


Based at Kido Butai.




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