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LuckyJim1005 -> Cost (10/24/2009 4:26:40 PM)
Just been payed so i'd thought I would treat myself to AE. But seriously - Ł52 for digital download. I was dumbstruck. I expected to pay up to about Ł30 but Ł50 for a wargame..... Is it just me or is this really expensive for a game ? I appreciate the time it took and the level of detail but do matrix ever consider they may be missing out on sales by such a high cost. I suppose that those interested in the period/level will pay no matter what but I am sad I cannot justify such expense on a game I would love to play. After all you are not starting from scratch - it is a game you have already developed and are building on. I expect to get flamed and am doning flak vest. [:)]

treespider -> RE: Cost (10/24/2009 4:30:58 PM)
As many have said... On a per minute/ per hour/ per time played basis this is the best investment in wargaming available...

n01487477 -> RE: Cost (10/24/2009 4:36:09 PM)
Not again [8\|]

witpqs -> RE: Cost (10/24/2009 4:45:03 PM)
You will be down to less than Ł0.10 per hour in a year, quite possibly well under a year. When you reach that level we all expect you to come back to this thread and post your retraction! [:D]

SuluSea -> RE: Cost (10/24/2009 5:02:43 PM)
Heck, I'm already below 30 cent per hour played. This is the best entertainment investment I ever made.

tocaff -> RE: Cost (10/24/2009 5:30:24 PM)
I'm an addict and I have to admit the following: After I bought WPO and WITP I didn't buy another game until AE was released and that was years ago. This gives more bang for your buck than a, well forum rules preclude my continuing that chain of thought. [;)]

herwin -> RE: Cost (10/24/2009 5:35:46 PM)
The price of comparable paper games is a good deal higher.

LuckyJim1005 -> RE: Cost (10/24/2009 5:36:51 PM)
Fair point by all - except the 'Here we go again' poster. Please point out the rules that say 'dont cover what has already been said'. Amazes me you took the time to post instead of just ignoring what has, to you, been hashed over already. I dont think that retraction will be forthcoimg witpqs as I cannot justify the initial outlay, not the return in a year's worth of play. Bit like saying that your Ł150K car only costs a Ł1 per hour if you drive it for 150,000 hours. Looks good but does not really stand up to serious scrutiny. So, is Matrix losing sales from the more casual gamer because of the price ?

Oldguard1970 -> RE: Cost (10/24/2009 5:44:22 PM)
LuckyJim, If you are like many of us, you have old games gathering dust. You may have paid less for them, but you never played them, or only played them a few times. For some people, that will happen with AE. However, if you are among those of us who are "captured" by this game, you will have gotten the best "value for money" possible. Will you like the game? Will you be captured? Read some of the AARs. That should help you discover if you are a good candidate for this game or not.

treespider -> RE: Cost (10/24/2009 5:51:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyJim1005 So, is Matrix losing sales from the more casual gamer because of the price ? AE is not for the casual gamer.

USSAmerica -> RE: Cost (10/24/2009 5:52:42 PM)
LuckyJim, no, Matrix is not losing sales from more casual gamers because of the price. Almost all "casual gamers" will not have much interest in a game that contains so much detail and micromanagement. This is a "grognard's" game. If that is your cup of tea, you can't find a better way to spend 52 pounds. I've spent money on no other game in the 3 years I've owned WitP, and now AE. There is honestly no better deal in computer wargames anywhere. [8D]

witpqs -> RE: Cost (10/24/2009 5:56:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyJim1005 Fair point by all - except the 'Here we go again' poster. Please point out the rules that say 'dont cover what has already been said'. Amazes me you took the time to post instead of just ignoring what has, to you, been hashed over already. I dont think that retraction will be forthcoimg witpqs as I cannot justify the initial outlay, not the return in a year's worth of play. Bit like saying that your Ł150K car only costs a Ł1 per hour if you drive it for 150,000 hours. Looks good but does not really stand up to serious scrutiny. So, is Matrix losing sales from the more casual gamer because of the price ? OK - it's your money so take these remarks in the good nature in which they are offered. [:)] Cannot justify the initial outlay? How many games do you purchase each year? At what cost each & total? If you wish, you have the choice of purchasing AE in place of what - 2 other games? 1.5 other games? Want it but don't have the money now for AE? Don't buy anything now. Instead wait until you would have bought the next game. Combine the money from the two games you would have purchased, buy AE and (almost certainly) have a little left over. Regarding the car analogy, that hardly applies. The cost ratio of AE to most games on the market is nowhere near the cost ratio of a Ł150K car to most cars on the market. I'm sensing that you're experiencing 'sticker shock' upon seeing the price. I understand that - so you're asking "what's so good about AE that makes it worth the price?" Fair enough. But you seem to have already made up your mind. So are you just asking out of curiosity or are you looking for some in-depth testimonials that might convince you to buy AE?

Templer_12 -> RE: Cost (10/24/2009 5:58:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyJim1005 Fair point by all - except the 'Here we go again' poster. Please point out the rules that say 'dont cover what has already been said'. >There is none! @ LuckyJim1005, welcome to the dark side [sm=character0095.gif] Here we go: Read it, think about it - enjoy it? Post back. [;)] Why is this game so expensive ? http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2204546&mpage=1&key= I guess that´s why n01487477 posted "Not again..." Be assured, this was no offense [:)]

TommyG -> RE: Cost (10/24/2009 6:07:45 PM)
There are many of us that have been playing this game 40 hours or more a week for more than five years. I personally have spent $150 just photcopying and binding the only marginaly useful manual. But, this game is not for everybody. It can (and should) take 10 or more hours just to set up the first turn, and that is after you already know what it is you are trying to do and where everything you need to do it is located. Many of us started with board games 40 years ago and have been playing increasingly more difficult versions of this particular game since Gary's Guadalcanal Campaign came out in 1981. Yhe learning curve is steep (think cliff) and to play well also requires a great deal of familiararity with WWll equipment, geo-politics, naval and air docrrine; as well as recently added minutiae on cargo handling capacities of Cook Island ports of call. But God do I love it. And, if you do get in to it you will never, ever, regret the intial cost. Oh, yeah, you will also meet and communicate with a hell of a lot of great guys.

RevRick -> RE: Cost (10/24/2009 6:52:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: USS America LuckyJim, no, Matrix is not losing sales from more casual gamers because of the price. Almost all "casual gamers" will not have much interest in a game that contains so much detail and micromanagement. This is a "grognard's" game. If that is your cup of tea, you can't find a better way to spend 52 pounds. I've spent money on no other game in the 3 years I've owned WitP, and now AE. There is honestly no better deal in computer wargames anywhere. [8D] I think you may be guilty of understatement. Any "casual gamer" who investigates this game with any degree of intention and, therefore, takes a long look at the detail will try to find one of the 'beer and pretzel' games instead. And, there's nothing wrong with that. But, it's not my cup of tea for this theater... And I have been playing this theater for 15 years now on computer. Not as long as some of you, but...

LuckyJim1005 -> RE: Cost (10/24/2009 6:59:22 PM)
Okay guys I am going to take witpqs advice and not buy the next 2 games but get this next month. As it happens an invoice is getting paid for some software I have wrtten so WiTP AE is my next purchase. Without getting all teared up about it can I just say that you lot should be in the pay of Matrix. You have sold me.....

LuckyJim1005 -> RE: Cost (10/24/2009 7:09:24 PM)
Forgot to say i have been playing Time of Wrath and have found it a little to simple. Not to detract from it, it is a great beer & pretzel game just a little lacking in some Navel aspects so I am looking for something with a bit more bite. And yes I admit I think it was 'sticker price shock' that kicked in. If I have 2 more glasses of wine the credit card is coming out [:)] Missus is going to kill me.. BTW Is it just me or do any of you old time board gamers sit here thinking we are in a great age for PC wargaming ? Apologies if I annoyed anyone.

chesmart -> RE: Cost (10/24/2009 7:10:01 PM)
This is the definitve WW2 STRATEGY GAME simple. Nothing Comes close to it. The problem it is so addictive that all other addictions will give way to this. Kiss goodbye to your life and welcome to this world. In Dantes Inferno on the gates of hell there is written "Abandon all hope all ye who enter here" Just remember that quote as all other games will become something of the past. The only thing that Pisses me off about AE is the AI Andy Mac programmed it is wicked.

pmelheck1 -> RE: Cost (10/24/2009 7:13:47 PM)
I've seen reviewers who have been stunned by the size and scope of AE. As many have stated this is not for the casual gamer. I've seen one or two reviews where the reviewer complained about the work and complexity of playing. This is exactly what some of use are looking for. As for me and I think some others on this board the price was not an issue. We might have had to save our pennies to get it but their was never a doubt we were going to get it. There is simply no other program on the market that covers the subject in the depth and detail that AE does. The next closest runner up isn't even close. It would be sort of like comparing TIC-TAC-TOE to 3 dimensional chess. Tic-Tac-Toe is fun if it's what your looking for but it isn't for me. This game isn't for the faint of heart or if you hate micromanagement, it's a hard core wargamers game. I don't want to scare you off I always like to see new blood both to AE and to wargames but I also don't want to talk you into something that isn't going to to be your liking. If WW2 Pacific theater is your thing NOTHING does it better than AE.

fabertong -> RE: Cost (10/24/2009 7:41:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyJim1005 Forgot to say i have been playing Time of Wrath and have found it a little to simple. Not to detract from it, it is a great beer & pretzel game just a little lacking in some Navel aspects so I am looking for something with a bit more bite. And yes I admit I think it was 'sticker price shock' that kicked in. If I have 2 more glasses of wine the credit card is coming out [:)] Missus is going to kill me.. BTW Is it just me or do any of you old time board gamers sit here thinking we are in a great age for PC wargaming ? Apologies if I annoyed anyone. Have the wine......then buy the game........I doubt you'll regret either.....

tocaff -> RE: Cost (10/24/2009 8:12:11 PM)
OH NO! He's currently married. I hope she won't mind his spending hours on end playing "that game" again. Just wait until you get the hang of it and then get into PBEM......

LuckyJim1005 -> RE: Cost (10/24/2009 8:12:59 PM)
fabertong - I have and I dont [:)] Downloading it now.

CMDRMCTOAST -> RE: Cost (10/24/2009 9:04:21 PM)
I bought UV played for a year, purchased WITP played for 2.5 - 3 years, took 2 years off and came back to find AE with most of the things added we asked for since UV came out and I still think I got a great deal for the money as the game keeps improving.. You will luv the game if your strategic minded except for the first year of gettin your a$$ handed to ya..[:D]

Knavey -> RE: Cost (10/24/2009 9:12:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyJim1005 fabertong - I have and I dont [:)] Downloading it now. Better go find your "last thing to do" while it is downloading. After the install, you will have TOO much to do with this game, and not much time left for anything else.

Oliver Heindorf -> RE: Cost (10/24/2009 11:05:25 PM)
the old endless discussion. I am tired of it [>:]. Calculate the bang for the buck you receive like Sulu Sea did and you've found the master. And be aware what treespider said ! good luck

CMDRMCTOAST -> RE: Cost (10/24/2009 11:11:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Knavey quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyJim1005 fabertong - I have and I dont [:)] Downloading it now. Better go find your "last thing to do" while it is downloading. After the install, you will have TOO much to do with this game, and not much time left for anything else. Cause you will have days of trying to figure out how this happend too ya.. AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/28/44 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Takao CA Mogami CL Oi DD Shimakaze DD Hatsuzuki DD Tamanami DD Urakaze DD Hatsushimo DD Satsuki Allied Ships PT PT-20 PT PT-235 PT PT-382 PT PT-450, Shell hits 7, and is sunk PT PT-478, Shell hits 43, and is sunk PT PT-484, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Takao CA Mogami CL Oi DD Shimakaze DD Hatsuzuki DD Tamanami DD Urakaze DD Hatsushimo DD Satsuki Allied Ships PT PT-23 PT PT-24 PT PT-25 PT PT-133, Shell hits 4, and is sunk PT PT-374, Shell hits 33, and is sunk PT PT-483 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Takao CA Mogami CL Oi DD Shimakaze, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, on fire DD Hatsuzuki, Shell hits 1 DD Tamanami, Shell hits 1 DD Urakaze DD Hatsushimo DD Satsuki Allied Ships PT PT-26 PT PT-64 PT PT-300 PT PT-455 PT PT-481, Shell hits 23, and is sunk PT PT-550, Shell hits 1, and is sunk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Takao CA Mogami CL Oi DD Shimakaze, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage DD Hatsuzuki, Shell hits 1 DD Tamanami DD Urakaze DD Hatsushimo DD Satsuki Allied Ships PT PT-27 PT PT-29 PT PT-40 PT PT-42, Shell hits 21, and is sunk PT PT-475, Shell hits 9, and is sunk PT PT-528, Shell hits 5, and is sunk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Takao CA Mogami CL Oi DD Shimakaze, on fire, heavy damage DD Hatsuzuki DD Tamanami DD Urakaze DD Hatsushimo DD Satsuki Allied Ships PT PT-45 PT PT-46 PT PT-168 PT PT-264 PT PT-315, Shell hits 14, and is sunk PT PT-333 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Takao CA Mogami CL Oi DD Shimakaze, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage DD Hatsuzuki, Shell hits 9, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DD Tamanami DD Urakaze DD Hatsushimo DD Satsuki Allied Ships PT PT-47, Shell hits 7, and is sunk PT PT-310 PT PT-311 PT PT-452 PT PT-466, Shell hits 4, and is sunk PT PT-551, Shell hits 7, and is sunk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Takao CA Mogami CL Oi DD Shimakaze, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DD Hatsuzuki, on fire, heavy damage DD Tamanami, Shell hits 2 DD Urakaze DD Hatsushimo DD Satsuki Allied Ships PT PT-62 PT PT-131 PT PT-338 PT PT-376, Shell hits 7, and is sunk PT PT-454, Shell hits 6, and is sunk PT PT-524 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Takao CA Mogami CL Oi DD Shimakaze, on fire, heavy damage DD Hatsuzuki, on fire, heavy damage DD Tamanami DD Urakaze DD Hatsushimo DD Satsuki Allied Ships PT PT-63 PT PT-65 PT PT-132 PT PT-305 PT PT-313, Shell hits 15, and is sunk PT PT-469 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Takao CA Mogami CL Oi DD Shimakaze, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage DD Hatsuzuki, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage DD Tamanami, Shell hits 3 DD Urakaze DD Hatsushimo DD Satsuki Allied Ships PT PT-66 PT PT-73 PT PT-77 PT PT-129 PT PT-249, Shell hits 90, and is sunk PT PT-462, Shell hits 6, and is sunk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Takao CA Mogami CL Oi DD Shimakaze, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage DD Hatsuzuki, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk DD Tamanami, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire DD Urakaze DD Hatsushimo DD Satsuki Allied Ships PT PT-79, Shell hits 3, and is sunk PT PT-105 PT PT-106 PT PT-334 PT PT-383 PT PT-472 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Takao CA Mogami CL Oi, Shell hits 1 DD Shimakaze, Shell hits 8, and is sunk DD Tamanami, Shell hits 5, on fire DD Urakaze, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DD Hatsushimo, Shell hits 3, on fire DD Satsuki, Shell hits 2 Allied Ships PT PT-107 PT PT-108 PT PT-124 PT PT-306 PT PT-332 PT PT-460 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Takao, Shell hits 7 CA Mogami, Torpedo hits 1, on fire CL Oi DD Tamanami, on fire, heavy damage DD Urakaze, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage DD Hatsushimo, on fire DD Satsuki Allied Ships PT PT-125 PT PT-126, Shell hits 3, and is sunk PT PT-137 PT PT-322 PT PT-335 PT PT-476 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Takao CA Mogami, on fire CL Oi DD Tamanami, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage DD Urakaze, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk DD Hatsushimo, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DD Satsuki, Shell hits 6 Allied Ships PT PT-128 PT PT-130 PT PT-163 PT PT-238 PT PT-381 PT PT-527 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Takao CA Mogami, on fire CL Oi DD Tamanami, on fire, heavy damage DD Hatsushimo, Shell hits 15, on fire, heavy damage DD Satsuki Allied Ships PT PT-134 PT PT-138 PT PT-167 PT PT-314 PT PT-463 PT PT-470 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Takao CA Mogami, on fire CL Oi DD Tamanami, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk DD Hatsushimo, and is sunk DD Satsuki, on fire Allied Ships PT PT-169 PT PT-170 PT PT-236 PT PT-237, Shell hits 9, and is sunk PT PT-465, Shell hits 14, and is sunk PT PT-529 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Takao CA Mogami, on fire CL Oi, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, on fire DD Satsuki, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships PT PT-248 PT PT-250 PT PT-261 PT PT-262, Shell hits 3, and is sunk PT PT-341 PT PT-343 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Takao, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire CA Mogami, on fire CL Oi, on fire DD Satsuki, and is sunk Allied Ships PT PT-263 PT PT-301 PT PT-304 PT PT-307 PT PT-321 PT PT-526 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses E13A1 Jake: 2 destroyed F1M2 Pete: 2 destroyed Japanese Ships CA Takao, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk CA Mogami, on fire CL Oi, on fire Allied Ships PT PT-308 PT PT-320 PT PT-340 PT PT-377 PT PT-480 PT PT-486, Shell hits 1, and is sunk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Mogami, on fire CL Oi, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk Allied Ships PT PT-309 PT PT-493 PT PT-525 PT PT-531, Shell hits 6, and is sunk PT PT-545 PT PT-548 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Mogami, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships PT PT-312 PT PT-323 PT PT-324 PT PT-325 PT PT-522, Shell hits 1, on fire PT PT-547 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Mogami, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships PT PT-342 PT PT-360 PT PT-361 PT PT-373 PT PT-530, Shell hits 3, and is sunk PT PT-532 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Mogami, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships PT PT-362 PT PT-363 PT PT-372 PT PT-468 PT PT-482 PT PT-496, Shell hits 18, and is sunk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses E13A1 Jake: 5 destroyed Japanese Ships CA Mogami, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk Allied Ships PT PT-451 PT PT-453 PT PT-461 PT PT-485, Shell hits 4, and is sunk PT PT-535 PT PT-544 quote:

stuman -> RE: Cost (10/25/2009 4:55:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyJim1005 Forgot to say i have been playing Time of Wrath and have found it a little to simple. Not to detract from it, it is a great beer & pretzel game just a little lacking in some Navel aspects so I am looking for something with a bit more bite. And yes I admit I think it was 'sticker price shock' that kicked in. If I have 2 more glasses of wine the credit card is coming out [:)] Missus is going to kill me.. BTW Is it just me or do any of you old time board gamers sit here thinking we are in a great age for PC wargaming ? Apologies if I annoyed anyone. Welcome to the cult, err I mean club.

Cathartes -> RE: Cost (10/25/2009 6:36:34 AM)
If you are not playing AE consider the alternatives: 1. you might instead go out drinking and it takes no time to spend that kind of money you might otherwise spend on AE. 2. you might be doing chores or exercising, and you could injure yourself, and with the insane cost of health care (in the US) you could be out the equivalent of 6-7 games with just one two-hour ER visit (*with* insurance and depending on deductible). Hopefully you have a policy that covers non-generic drugs. Buy AE, for health and prosperity!

histgamer -> RE: Cost (10/25/2009 7:01:30 AM)
Jesus how many PT boats did you run into? Not exactly a big vet nor am I a WWII historian but I would think from the looks of that your ships just were overwhelmed in a flood of PT boats.

CMDRMCTOAST -> RE: Cost (10/25/2009 8:20:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: flanyboy Jesus how many PT boats did you run into? Not exactly a big vet nor am I a WWII historian but I would think from the looks of that your ships just were overwhelmed in a flood of PT boats. That actually happened when WITP just came out like 5 years ago but its a reminder of how you can play this game over and over and still see new things all the time..

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