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Smeulders -> RE: Vote for: Beauty and the Battleship (12/10/2009 10:15:14 PM)

I wonder what was up there ? Did the 'pagodas' have any function that couldn't have been more easily placed closer to deck or did they just decide to put up a skyscraper on a Battleship ?



warspite1 -> RE: Vote for: Beauty and the Battleship (12/10/2009 10:16:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Smeulders

I wonder what was up there ? Did the 'pagodas' have any function that couldn't have been more easily placed closer to deck or did they just decide to put up a skyscraper on a Battleship ?

Warspite1

Tee Hee [:)]



JuanG -> RE: Vote for: Beauty and the Battleship (12/10/2009 10:19:21 PM)

I think the main rangefinders were up there, which theoretically meant that they would have a longer maximum visible range. Practically the weather was rarely clear enough to let anyone see to the horizon well enough to target, no matter how high up. I suppose it also kept the RFs from being interfered with by things like smoke from both the engines and fires onboard.

They also look intimidating, I guess.



warspite1 -> RE: Vote for: Beauty and the Battleship (12/10/2009 10:21:53 PM)

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warspite1 -> RE: Vote for: Beauty and the Battleship (12/10/2009 10:23:56 PM)

Erik wanted more pictures - well how about:

[image]local://upfiles/28156/C288566F69474014A39942DA7E0FFD93.gif[/image]

Surely there is no more beautiful warship ever?



Mynok -> RE: Vote for: Beauty and the Battleship (12/10/2009 10:28:24 PM)


Sure there is

[image]http://www.hnsa.org/ships/img/victory1.jpg[/image]



Smeulders -> RE: Vote for: Beauty and the Battleship (12/10/2009 10:31:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JuanG

I think the main rangefinders were up there, which theoretically meant that they would have a longer maximum visible range. Practically the weather was rarely clear enough to let anyone see to the horizon well enough to target, no matter how high up. I suppose it also kept the RFs from being interfered with by things like smoke from both the engines and fires onboard.

They also look intimidating, I guess.


Thanks, as you can maybe tell I don't know much about ships and was interested to see if there was a reason behind this strange design. Thanks for the info.



warspite1 -> RE: Vote for: Beauty and the Battleship (12/10/2009 10:32:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Mynok


Sure there is

[image]http://www.hnsa.org/ships/img/victory1.jpg[/image]

Warship

HMS VICTORY - Oh yes [&o] - Mynok, you are right. Hood comes a close second though [:)]



Lrfss -> RE: Vote for: Beauty and the Battleship (12/10/2009 10:40:21 PM)

ahhh, the "Kreuzer Prinz Eugen" is a beauty indeed!



JuanG -> RE: Vote for: Beauty and the Battleship (12/10/2009 10:43:37 PM)

Since were doing pictures, I suppose I should put a few up too - sadly good photos of Nagato from before the end of the war but post reconstruction are hard to find.

[image]http://livedoor.2.blogimg.jp/irootoko_jr/imgs/8/2/82962a4c.jpg[/image]



Plenty of good drawings around though...

[image]http://www.combinedfleet.com/Nagato.jpg[/image]



warspite1 -> RE: Vote for: Beauty and the Battleship (12/10/2009 10:46:35 PM)

Here she is...its the petite cruiser, HMS Penelope [&o].

[image]local://upfiles/28156/1B5674F13C7F4FFCA0B2DD80F2124857.jpg[/image]



Mike Scholl -> RE: Vote for: Beauty and the Battleship (12/10/2009 11:19:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Smeulders

I wonder what was up there ? Did the 'pagodas' have any function that couldn't have been more easily placed closer to deck or did they just decide to put up a skyscraper on a Battleship ?


As originally built, the Japanese BB's had very large hexipodal mast structures. When additional bridges and platforms were added during upgrades, they were hung on these masts creating the pagoda structures.



oldman45 -> RE: Vote for: Beauty and the Battleship (12/10/2009 11:22:08 PM)

I think they had a couple of 5 inch guns up there too.



oldman45 -> RE: Vote for: Beauty and the Battleship (12/10/2009 11:27:43 PM)

My favorite CL class

[image]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v172/oldman44/BROOKLYN.jpg[/image]



Ametysth -> RE: Vote for: Beauty and the Battleship (12/10/2009 11:49:09 PM)

1) Prettiest battleship. RM BB Vittorio Veneto. Hands down most beautiful BB design ever. Italians can make even a battleship look like a Ferrari.

2) Sexiest cruiser IJN CL Agano class. Sleek ships. They seem to do 30 kts, even standing still.

3) Hottest destroyer, RN Tribal class. To me they look just like a destroyers should look.

4) Most curvalicious aircraft carrier, IJN Shokaku. Well, not really. There is no possible way of making a CV into really good looking ship, -let alone curvalicious- no matter who builds it. Any CV of the world will always look like a parking lot build on top of a barge.

5) Bodacious-est.... RN Roberts class monitors. Bodacious enough?



JohnDillworth -> RE: Vote for: Beauty and the Battleship (12/11/2009 12:20:56 AM)

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Please do not take this the wrong way - every one is entitled to their own opinion - but that is absolutely ridiculous. That is not a warship - it is a complete and utter mess


No offense taken, I am just a pagoda type of guy on my BB's. I like my cruisers streamlined though.

I like these:


[image]local://upfiles/31520/EC22C903E8DD44649CEEC6396F328CB5.jpg[/image]



TOMLABEL -> RE: Vote for: Beauty and the Battleship (12/11/2009 4:46:54 AM)

A)


[image]local://upfiles/19527/41AEB99DABBC4A6BA7CF53BF17AFE2A1.jpg[/image]



Gilbert -> RE: Vote for: Beauty and the Battleship (12/11/2009 10:58:27 AM)

Considering my avatar, my favourite has to be Fuso [:)]

[image]local://upfiles/32531/3752B331FF8942DAAC05DC62ECDFDC5C.jpg[/image]



Gilbert -> RE: Vote for: Beauty and the Battleship (12/11/2009 11:03:56 AM)

Another one (previous was as in 05/10/1933 [mm/dd/yyyy]), as in 1928 before reconstruction.

[image]local://upfiles/32531/E880B24E29CF44FFADFEEDF8376BAF06.jpg[/image]



Gilbert -> RE: Vote for: Beauty and the Battleship (12/11/2009 11:06:29 AM)

and finally Fuso as in 1939, in Sukumo Bay.

[image]local://upfiles/32531/B0701F9D9F034723B73199985911C507.jpg[/image]



DivePac88 -> RE: Vote for: Beauty and the Battleship (12/11/2009 11:54:09 AM)

A. Yamato class BB

B. Tone class CA

C. Le Fantastique class DD

D. Independence class CVL

E. Nelson class BB



Iridium -> RE: Vote for: Beauty and the Battleship (12/11/2009 12:08:39 PM)

For the DD I mentioned earlier:

Tashkent

[image]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Tashkent_03.jpg[/image]



d0mbo -> RE: Vote for: Beauty and the Battleship (12/11/2009 12:14:03 PM)

Easily the best looking and truly light cruiser (not like those big american CL's that were very effective but not light!):

[image]http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/images/A/Agano_class.jpg[/image]



Gilbert -> RE: Vote for: Beauty and the Battleship (12/11/2009 2:06:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DivePac88


C. Le Fantastique class DD




Hello DivePac88,

There was no "Le Fantastique class DD" in Marine Nationale but "Le Fantasque class DD" [:)] . Also "La Triomphant" should be "Le Triomphant".

Here is a picture of "Le Triomphant" taken in Sydney Harbour in 1942-1943.

On the other hand, this class was later in the war reclassified as CL because of their huge size compared to the average DDs.

Regards
Gilbert

PS-And congratulations for your outstanding art !



Gilbert -> RE: Vote for: Beauty and the Battleship (12/11/2009 2:08:31 PM)

Picture

[image]local://upfiles/32531/DEC5F7BC4AEE4A328B00A19F1B6870D0.jpg[/image]



oldman45 -> RE: Vote for: Beauty and the Battleship (12/11/2009 2:43:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: d0mbo

Easily the best looking and truly light cruiser (not like those big american CL's that were very effective but not light!):

[image]http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/images/A/Agano_class.jpg[/image]



Which CL is this?



Gilbert -> RE: Vote for: Beauty and the Battleship (12/11/2009 5:11:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: oldman45


quote:

ORIGINAL: d0mbo

Easily the best looking and truly light cruiser (not like those big american CL's that were very effective but not light!):

[image]http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/images/A/Agano_class.jpg[/image]



Which CL is this?


Hi Oldman45. She is Yahagi 12/19/1942 on her trials off Sasebo.


Regards
Gilbert

[image]local://upfiles/32531/B05095E6B90D4A03A325F28A82C44D97.jpg[/image]



oldman45 -> RE: Vote for: Beauty and the Battleship (12/11/2009 5:55:48 PM)

That is a nice looking light cruiser, I do think its bias if you use a color picture [:'(]



frank1970 -> RE: Vote for: Beauty and the Battleship (12/11/2009 7:01:35 PM)

Prinz Eugen was a little tough cruiser:

1 July 1946: A-bomb test Able. At 0900, a nuclear bomb dropped over a target fleet of ships by a B-29 detonates at 518 feet above the surface. Prinz Eugen is located 1,194 yards from the point of explosion and survives the test undamaged.

25 July 1946: A-bomb test Baker. At 0835, and nuclear bomb is detonated underwater at a depth of about 90 feet. Prinz Eugen is located 1,990 yards from the explosion, and again survives the test with no appreciable damage.

http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://www.kbismarck.com/prinz.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.kbismarck.com/prinzeugen.html&usg=__1A6mGav41FR6kTnXU03G8fTQNHY=&h=2000&w=2600&sz=92&hl=de&start=10&sig2=rqOv4JvKWfwHmai6eQVpyg&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=rxjJs_itCU-WSM:&tbnh=115&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dprinz%2Beugen%26hl%3Dde%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:de:official%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1&ei=cZYiS7fcDsaI_AbBzZS0Cg





Mike Scholl -> RE: Vote for: Beauty and the Battleship (12/11/2009 9:23:06 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Frank

Prinz Eugen was a little tough cruiser:

1 July 1946: A-bomb test Able. At 0900, a nuclear bomb dropped over a target fleet of ships by a B-29 detonates at 518 feet above the surface. Prinz Eugen is located 1,194 yards from the point of explosion and survives the test undamaged.

25 July 1946: A-bomb test Baker. At 0835, and nuclear bomb is detonated underwater at a depth of about 90 feet. Prinz Eugen is located 1,990 yards from the explosion, and again survives the test with no appreciable damage.




There was nothing "little" about Prinz Eugen, as she exceeded treaty limits by a wide margin. And while a lovely ship, she was a total pain-in-the-butt to keep running. As I recall, the had to be towed most of the way to Bikini after her complicated machinery broke down completely.



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