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traskott -> RE: Rangoon Liberated (10/17/2011 2:32:46 PM)
100 Havoc can make lot of damage at ground attacks, isn't ? Plus de 24s suppresing AF u have all needs covert....

Andy Mac -> RE: Rangoon Liberated (10/17/2011 9:30:27 PM)
Ordered 14th Army to head south the attack is under way more supply is entering Burma every day probably 4 or 5 days until the full Army closes up on the river. Amercal should take Buna tomorrow this is goin g to be a long war but at least I am regaining some forward momentum again

Andy Mac -> RE: Rangoon Liberated (10/17/2011 9:36:04 PM)
Yesterday's CAS missions on the Moulmien front. Looks like a combination of the Japanese 21st and 28th Armies My bombers will hit home of the next few days trying to keep the pressure up -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 33rd Division, at 56,54 , near Moulmein Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 16 minutes Allied aircraft Blenheim VD x 6 PV-1 Ventura x 9 P-40N5 Warhawk x 2 PV-1 Ventura x 3 Allied aircraft losses Blenheim VD: 1 damaged Blenheim VD: 1 destroyed by flak PV-1 Ventura: 9 damaged PV-1 Ventura: 2 damaged PV-1 Ventura: 1 destroyed by flak Japanese ground losses: 59 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Aircraft Attacking: 2 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 1000 feet Ground Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb 6 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 1000 feet Ground Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb 3 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 1000 feet Ground Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb 2 x Blenheim VD bombing from 1000 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb 3 x Blenheim VD bombing from 1000 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb Also attacking 11th Division ... Also attacking 47th Infantry Regiment ... Also attacking 48th Engineer Regiment ... Also attacking 48th Field Artillery Regiment ... Also attacking 11th Division ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 9th Division, at 56,54 , near Moulmein Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid detected at 64 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 25 minutes Allied aircraft P-40N5 Warhawk x 11 PV-1 Ventura x 12 Allied aircraft losses PV-1 Ventura: 2 damaged Japanese ground losses: 14 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Aircraft Attacking: 12 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 11000 feet Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb Also attacking 16th AA Regiment ... Also attacking 9th Division ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 4th Guards Division, at 56,54 , near Moulmein Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid detected at 70 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 27 minutes Allied aircraft Vengeance I x 31 Allied aircraft losses Vengeance I: 5 damaged Vengeance I: 1 destroyed by flak Japanese ground losses: 79 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Aircraft Attacking: 11 x Vengeance I releasing from 4000' Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb 15 x Vengeance I releasing from 4000' Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb 1 x Vengeance I releasing from 3000' Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb 4 x Vengeance I releasing from 3000' Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb Also attacking 21st Army ... Also attacking 4th Guards Division ... Also attacking 21st Army ... Also attacking 4th Guards Division ... Also attacking 21st Army ... Also attacking 4th Guards Division ... Also attacking 21st Army ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 41st Air Defense AA Regiment, at 56,54 , near Moulmein Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid detected at 75 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 18 minutes Allied aircraft Hurricane IIc Trop x 12 Vengeance I x 2 Allied aircraft losses Hurricane IIc Trop: 9 damaged Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed by flak Aircraft Attacking: 12 x Hurricane IIc Trop bombing from 100 feet 2 x Vengeance I releasing from 4000' Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Moulmein , at 55,55 Weather in hex: Heavy rain Raid detected at 54 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 13 minutes Allied aircraft Hurricane IIc Trop x 16 No Allied losses Aircraft Attacking: 8 x Hurricane IIc Trop sweeping at 30000 feet 8 x Hurricane IIc Trop sweeping at 30000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on 11th Division, at 56,54 , near Moulmein Weather in hex: Light rain Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 23 minutes Allied aircraft Beaufort I x 10 Blenheim IV x 9 A-20G Havoc x 72 B-25C Mitchell x 4 P-40N5 Warhawk x 19 PBJ-1D Mitchell x 19 Allied aircraft losses Beaufort I: 1 damaged Beaufort I: 1 destroyed by flak Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed by flak A-20G Havoc: 2 damaged PBJ-1D Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak Japanese ground losses: 106 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 26 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Guns lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled) Aircraft Attacking: 11 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb 7 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb 9 x Blenheim IV bombing from 10000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb 9 x Beaufort I bombing from 10000 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb 11 x A-20G Havoc bombing from 10000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb 12 x A-20G Havoc bombing from 10000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb 9 x A-20G Havoc bombing from 10000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb 8 x A-20G Havoc bombing from 10000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb 9 x A-20G Havoc bombing from 10000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb 8 x A-20G Havoc bombing from 10000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb 4 x A-20G Havoc bombing from 10000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb 7 x A-20G Havoc bombing from 10000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb 4 x A-20G Havoc bombing from 10000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb 4 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb Also attacking 33rd Division ... Also attacking 9th Division ... Also attacking 4th Guards Division ... Also attacking 41st Air Defense AA Regiment ... Also attacking 48th Field Artillery Regiment ... Also attacking 47th Infantry Regiment ... Also attacking 28th Army ... Also attacking 48th Engineer Regiment ... Also attacking 21st Army ... Also attacking 33rd Division ... Also attacking 9th Division ... Also attacking 16th AA Regiment ... Also attacking 11th Division ... Also attacking 9th Division ... Also attacking 4th Guards Division ... Also attacking 41st Air Defense AA Regiment ... Also attacking 48th Field Artillery Regiment ... Also attacking 47th Infantry Regiment ... Also attacking 28th Army ... Also attacking 11th Division ... Also attacking 33rd Division ... Also attacking 41st Air Defense AA Regiment ... Also attacking 48th Field Artillery Regiment ... Also attacking 28th Army ... Also attacking 48th Engineer Regiment ... Also attacking 33rd Division ... Also attacking 11th Division ... Also attacking 9th Division ... Also attacking 4th Guards Division ... Also attacking 41st Air Defense AA Regiment ... Also attacking 48th Field Artillery Regiment ... Also attacking 47th Infantry Regiment ... Also attacking 28th Army ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on 4th Guards Division, at 56,54 , near Moulmein Weather in hex: Light rain Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 9 minutes Allied aircraft A-20G Havoc x 9 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 20 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Aircraft Attacking: 9 x A-20G Havoc bombing from 10000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Andy Mac -> RE: Rangoon Liberated (10/17/2011 10:16:07 PM)
Hmmmm I only count 4 or 5 Divs there...... If thats all he got IV Corps can probably take em alone IV Corps has about 2,500 AV on the flank 14th Army has about 5,000 across the river at least until the monsoon hits when I will be withdrawing XXXIII and XV corps into Army Group Reserve 14th Army has a few weeks to drive as far south as possible

Andy Mac -> RE: Rangoon Liberated (10/17/2011 10:17:39 PM)
GHQ has decreed that come 15th May only IV Corps will be left to continue the pursuit all other forces will withdraw to refit for future operations 6 weeks to force the Moulmien position and convince GHQ that an overland attack into SEA can succeed

JeffroK -> RE: Rangoon Liberated (10/18/2011 1:56:48 AM)
"Bum on to Moulmein"

Andy Mac -> RE: Rangoon Liberated (10/21/2011 1:00:44 PM)
PZB abandoned the Sittang Line and pulled back to Moulmien.... My army is now thinking about wherther I should cross I have about 8,000 AV facing off against 100,000 Japanese LCU's So that probably means 7 or 8 Divs or 3,000 - 3,500 AV For the first time PZB is facing with concentrated forces dug in begind prepared defences with decent supply I simply do not know.... I am sure I have the firepower and air power endge but that 1st shock attack would be painfull..... Hmmmmm decisions decisions.....

Andy Mac -> RE: Rangoon Liberated (10/21/2011 1:02:19 PM)
Its hard to flank because the terrain on the flank is difficult - yes I will do so but not with a full Corps. It will take 10 days for a Corps to cover a single hex so at best I can have a Corps in his rear inside 20 days and thats cutting it fine for the monsoon.....

beppi -> RE: Rangoon Liberated (10/21/2011 2:01:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Andy Mac Its hard to flank because the terrain on the flank is difficult - yes I will do so but not with a full Corps. It will take 10 days for a Corps to cover a single hex so at best I can have a Corps in his rear inside 20 days and thats cutting it fine for the monsoon..... I would advise to flank and bring a sufficient number of AVs into Moulmien prior to crossing over the river. 2,5k - 3k AV behind even some forts in a light forrest base (or is it even rough) can be pure suicide. You can easily lose 1500+ squads either disabled or destroyed. I made bad experience with large stacks of units fighting against other large stacks, especially in forced shock crossing. So bring in 2k or so by bypassing, then cross with a weak unit first and then your main army can safe cross. Be advised, if the hexside over the river is Japanese controlled (and i assume it is) and you have more than 1/3rd of the enemy AV in the hex (with bypassing) and you move your entire army at the same turn the first unit will still do a lone shock attack and might be completely crushed. So the best is to first cross with a base force, or an other very small unit (which will be destroyed or heavily damaged, and as base forces cannot shock or attack they are the best to cross rivers in such situations.) and bring in the main army a turn later. In general your will face a quite nice decision for the allies. Soon the Japanese have to split their forces to defend to the right to protect laos/vietnam area and to the left in direction to Singapore. You then can decide how many units you will send to each direction and you can gain quite easily a quite superior force in one of the directions.

Alfred -> RE: Rangoon Liberated (10/21/2011 8:33:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: beppi ... Be advised, if the hexside over the river is Japanese controlled (and i assume it is) and you have more than 1/3rd of the enemy AV in the hex (with bypassing) and you move your entire army at the same turn the first unit will still do a lone shock attack and might be completely crushed... Not my understanding of final outcome of michaelm's changes to river crossings. Alfred

SoliInvictus202 -> RE: Rangoon Liberated (10/21/2011 9:25:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Andy Mac Its hard to flank because the terrain on the flank is difficult - yes I will do so but not with a full Corps. It will take 10 days for a Corps to cover a single hex so at best I can have a Corps in his rear inside 20 days and thats cutting it fine for the monsoon..... I have tried flanking Moulmein with a 10,000 AV army... my opponent had about 2000 in the hex to the right of Moumein - it did not go out well... I am stuck there with insufficient supply for even 1 full attack - however this is still with the last official patch... problem with flanking Moumein is that you won't be able to move your troops from that hex to Moulmein if he has troops there, unless you first route those troops.... - as well all know.... so I doubt that flanking would make much of a difference - however in the hex next to Moulmein he'll never have such high forts nor will he have high supplies.... - so if YOU can fix YOUR supply problem in this hex - you will succeed!

beppi -> RE: Rangoon Liberated (10/21/2011 11:18:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alfred quote: ORIGINAL: beppi ... Be advised, if the hexside over the river is Japanese controlled (and i assume it is) and you have more than 1/3rd of the enemy AV in the hex (with bypassing) and you move your entire army at the same turn the first unit will still do a lone shock attack and might be completely crushed... Not my understanding of final outcome of michaelm's changes to river crossings. Alfred Yea i thought that too that i understood it [:)]. Had it a few weeks ago with a quite recent beta patch. The situation was the following. I had around 5k AV friend troops in a hex with around 5-6k AV enemy troops. I sent in 3k AV addition troops using a hexside which was enemy controlled and a river crossing. The moving troops where some armored bdes and some divisions. The first unit which crossed the enemy controlled hexside over the river even when i had 1:1 av in the hex did and automatic shock attack (was a armored bde which got mauled). There was a thread in the tech forum about it and michaelm did a check on it. He said everything as planned, the first unit crossing into an hex via and enemy controlled hexside over a river does an automatic shock attack even if you have more than the requested (1/3 i think ) AV in the hex. But it is just the first unit and not all units as it would be if you do not have the (1/3 i think).

Alfred -> RE: Rangoon Liberated (10/22/2011 7:44:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: beppi quote: ORIGINAL: Alfred quote: ORIGINAL: beppi ... Be advised, if the hexside over the river is Japanese controlled (and i assume it is) and you have more than 1/3rd of the enemy AV in the hex (with bypassing) and you move your entire army at the same turn the first unit will still do a lone shock attack and might be completely crushed... Not my understanding of final outcome of michaelm's changes to river crossings. Alfred Yea i thought that too that i understood it [:)]. Had it a few weeks ago with a quite recent beta patch. The situation was the following. I had around 5k AV friend troops in a hex with around 5-6k AV enemy troops. I sent in 3k AV addition troops using a hexside which was enemy controlled and a river crossing. The moving troops where some armored bdes and some divisions. The first unit which crossed the enemy controlled hexside over the river even when i had 1:1 av in the hex did and automatic shock attack (was a armored bde which got mauled). There was a thread in the tech forum about it and michaelm did a check on it. He said everything as planned, the first unit crossing into an hex via and enemy controlled hexside over a river does an automatic shock attack even if you have more than the requested (1/3 i think ) AV in the hex. But it is just the first unit and not all units as it would be if you do not have the (1/3 i think). Still not my understanding of the discussion on pages 15-16 of the thread: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2859420&mpage=15&key=riverside%2Ccrossing� Alfred

Andy Mac -> RE: Rangoon Liberated (10/22/2011 2:54:54 PM)
I was going to cross the river direct but thought better of it. Repeating previous tactics 2 Corps are flanking with one holding across the river Supply situation is pretty good now - I am getting 10,000 supply per day across the docks at Rangoon now with small convoys en route at all times. In CENTPAC the fleet is on the move we will see what happens target the line islands - I will list attack force soon !!!

Andy Mac -> RE: Rangoon Liberated (10/22/2011 5:08:01 PM)
Major air fights in Burma I lose 80 odd he loses 100+ large numbers of mine obsolete Hirricanes large numbers of his obslete Oscars

Andy Mac -> RE: Rangoon Liberated (10/22/2011 7:55:53 PM)
In a few weeks the RAF can get back into the fight At present only the 32 Spit VIII's I get a month can be considered front line That doubles with the aerrival of Jugs at the end of the month at the rate of 40 per month :):) With Rangoon mine and its good roads I dont need to stop for supply anymore (albeit I have a self imposed deadline as I want to rest 2 Corps for future offiesive action)

Andy Mac -> RE: Rangoon Liberated (10/23/2011 2:08:50 AM)
My lack of replacementes is killing me Today was a weird one apparently not seent eh replay. I tried to hit one of PZB's AF's all my AF's were socked in and a strike went in with 30 fighters escorting 180 mixed bombers. I lost about 40 of the total so about 20% loss rate - PZB is unhappy because they blew past his CAP and trashed the AF anyway but I have my own concerns I really really hate the fact that I can no longer put together Groups of fighters and that I dont have the option to late war amalgamate RAF Sqns into wings wish we had managed to do something in that space. Overall I got lucky 180 losees would have crippled me. What I really is pool density the air model is still so bloody (far better than stock but still bloody) and I never have pool density to be able to take losses and keep going. I hate not having reserves it really bugs me that one bad day can put an entire airforce out of action Allied aircraft Blenheim IV x 12 Blenheim VD x 3 Hurricane IIc Trop x 5 PV-1 Ventura x 6 B-17E Fortress x 11 B-17F Fortress x 3 B-24D Liberator x 9 B-24D1 Liberator x 23 B-24J Liberator x 23 B-25C Mitchell x 9 B-25D1 Mitchell x 24 B-25H Mitchell x 11 P-39D Airacobra x 10 P-40N5 Warhawk x 13 P-40N26 Warhawk x 8 PBJ-1D Mitchell x 25 PV-1 Ventura x 13

Andy Mac -> RE: Rangoon Liberated (10/23/2011 2:10:29 AM)
Anyway the Lie Islands are going to get it my fleet is on the move I want to hit home hard so we shall see what happens

JeffroK -> RE: Rangoon Liberated (10/23/2011 2:10:49 AM)
Blame the devs[:'(]

Andy Mac -> RE: Rangoon Liberated (10/23/2011 2:12:58 AM)
So I now have operations going in thre theatres 1. Land/Air in Burma to secure Moulmien 2. Expanding my toehold in New Guinea 3. CENTPAC operation to hit Line Islands

Andy Mac -> RE: Rangoon Liberated (10/23/2011 2:26:46 AM)
[:D][:D] I know I guess things like hyper accuracy sometimers bug me v playability e.g. seperate pools of some common types of CW aircraft e.g. Beaufort, Beafighter, Kittyhawk, Spitfire, Ventura they are all split into penny packets across all CW nations to represent different national pools but individually each pool is to small to be effective with the air model. e.g. I get an RAAF Spit VIII and an RAF Spit VIII pool one gets 20 per month and the other 32 - would far rather have one aircraft available to both gettign 50 per month penny packets = PITA Beaufighters - 12 RAF per month, 6 RAAF - neither AF has enough to fight thats basically enough to keep 1 Sqn in the air for each nation and then barely - a single pool of 18 far better, Beau X Mosquito VI - basically 12 RAF, 12 RAAF and then later 24 Canadian simply not enough need more concentrated pools and replacement rates not enough pool density for the air model Historically accurate - hell yeah - playable yes but able to compete no

Andy Mac -> RE: Rangoon Liberated (10/23/2011 2:31:39 AM)
ps whinge over ;)

JeffroK -> RE: Rangoon Liberated (10/23/2011 5:17:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Andy Mac [:D][:D] I know I guess things like hyper accuracy sometimers bug me v playability e.g. seperate pools of some common types of CW aircraft e.g. Beaufort, Beafighter, Kittyhawk, Spitfire, Ventura they are all split into penny packets across all CW nations to represent different national pools but individually each pool is to small to be effective with the air model. e.g. I get an RAAF Spit VIII and an RAF Spit VIII pool one gets 20 per month and the other 32 - would far rather have one aircraft available to both gettign 50 per month penny packets = PITA Beaufighters - 12 RAF per month, 6 RAAF - neither AF has enough to fight thats basically enough to keep 1 Sqn in the air for each�nation and then barely - a single pool of 18 far better, Beau X Mosquito VI - basically 12 RAF, 12 RAAF and then later 24 Canadian simply not enough need more concentrated pools and replacement rates not enough pool density for the air model Historically accurate - hell yeah - playable yes but able to compete no The problem, and the accuracy within the game, is that these pools where not geographically capable of supporting/swapping airframes. I've seen a lot of games where RCAF & RAAF units are sent to India to provide a concentration of units. Add to this that some of the Beauforts, Beaufighters & Mosquitos where made in Australia. I dont know how the emergency reos get activated, but a series of lines closer to Calcutta / NW Australia to activate extra squadrons or convoys carrying extra aircraft would be nice, or a plump convoy sitting at Rosyth which needs hundreds of PP to release. In one of my games, in 1943-44 I had a number of RAF squadrons still usinh Buffalo & Mohawks as rear area defence and training. I also use many SBC Helldivers and SBU Vindicators in the rear to cover convoys.

Andy Mac -> RE: Rangoon Liberated (10/23/2011 12:32:16 PM)
Aye I guess so anyway the fleet is on the move covering over 200 transports with lots of US troops to attack the Line Islands

Andy Mac -> RE: Rangoon Liberated (10/23/2011 12:51:11 PM)
I have 3 RAF Sqns in Bufffalos, 2 in Mohawks and 1 in Hurricane Mk 1's 4 RAF and IAF Fighter Bomber Sqns are in Fulmers for lack of anythign better 1 Bomber Sqn in Audaxes another in Waipitis, 1 in Blenheim 1's and 3 in Lysanders.... So thats 16 Sqns in obsolete aircraft because I have nothing better to put them in....... 7 other Sqns are in the naval search versions of Wellingtons or Liberators because I have nothing better to put them in So thats 23 Sqns basically out of my offensive OOB because of lack of aircraft

Andy Mac -> RE: Rangoon Liberated (10/23/2011 1:02:45 PM)
1 sqn in Blenheim IV, 1 in VD, 2 in Hudson III's, 3 in Vengeance DB's, 3 in Beaus or Hurrican IV's and 4 Sqns in Bomber Variants of Lib or Wellington, 7 in Various Marks of Spit and 10 in Hurricane IIc are the best in my armoury So about 31 Sqns of front line (arguably) aircraft...... So 40% of the RAF and IAF are basically useless through lack of aircraft. The next patch will help a little But basically at present I get FB - 16 Beaufighters, 12 Mosquitos and 6 Hurricane FB replacements a month Bombers - 15 Lib IV's per month and 6 WellingtonsBX's for a few more months Fighters - 12 Vc's and 32 VIII's but with 40 Thud I's arriving at end of month DB's - 25 Vengeance I's with over 150 in pool So Fighters will slowly recover and I can probably convert a few Bomber Sqns to DB's to increase available Sqns Andy

traskott -> RE: Rangoon Liberated (10/23/2011 1:55:43 PM)
Perhaps u should change the scheme of their missions ? I mean: Use the LB just for night missions, fighters just in defensive missions, Mosquitos at night intruder's missions... in order to get the pool up. RAF and IAF at WitpAE are always one of the more weak air asset of the allieds. Mainly defensive jobs. Historically they didn't do as much strategic warfare as u are doing, not so much extensive, so all those losses are, at the long run, unaffordables.

Andy Mac -> RE: Rangoon Liberated (10/23/2011 2:45:40 PM)
No night bombing its a HR we have other than Strat bombing Tried using Hurricane 2c's for CAS a few days ago lost a lot of them

Andy Mac -> RE: Rangoon Liberated (10/23/2011 2:49:10 PM)
I am mixing it up a little A20's are my main bomber in Burma now B25's mostly in Australia I can only dream of having a CAP or sweep of 160+ modern same type fighters Morning Air attack on Pisanuloke , at 58,57 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 23 minutes Japanese aircraft N1K1-J George x 159 Ki-84a Frank x 43 Allied aircraft Blenheim IV x 12 Blenheim VD x 3 Hurricane IIc Trop x 5 PV-1 Ventura x 6 B-17E Fortress x 11 B-17F Fortress x 3 B-24D Liberator x 9 B-24D1 Liberator x 23 B-24J Liberator x 23 B-25C Mitchell x 9 B-25D1 Mitchell x 24 B-25H Mitchell x 11 P-39D Airacobra x 10 P-40N5 Warhawk x 13 P-40N26 Warhawk x 8 PBJ-1D Mitchell x 25 PV-1 Ventura x 13 Japanese aircraft losses N1K1-J George: 40 damaged N1K1-J George: 6 destroyed on ground Ki-84a Frank: 9 damaged Ki-84a Frank: 4 destroyed on ground L3Y2 Tina: 9 destroyed on ground Ki-49-II KAI Helen: 4 destroyed on ground Ki-56 Thalia: 5 destroyed on ground Allied aircraft losses Blenheim VD: 2 damaged Hurricane IIc Trop: 2 destroyed PV-1 Ventura: 1 damaged B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged B-17F Fortress: 1 damaged B-24D1 Liberator: 1 damaged B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged P-39D Airacobra: 3 destroyed P-40N5 Warhawk: 1 destroyed P-40N26 Warhawk: 4 destroyed PBJ-1D Mitchell: 2 damaged PV-1 Ventura: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged Japanese ground losses: 53 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Airbase hits 68 Airbase supply hits 18 Runway hits 188 Aircraft Attacking: 14 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb 11 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb 9 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 10000 feet Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb 3 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 10000 feet Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb 6 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 10000 feet Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb 3 x Blenheim VD bombing from 10000 feet Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb 12 x Blenheim IV bombing from 10000 feet Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb 10 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb 9 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 10000 feet Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb 12 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb 11 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb 10 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb 10 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 10000 feet Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb 11 x B-25H Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb 6 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb 10 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 10000 feet Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb 3 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 10000 feet Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb 9 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb 4 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb 3 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 10000 feet Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

traskott -> RE: Rangoon Liberated (10/23/2011 3:15:35 PM)
Use the hurris for CAP. If not night attacks... Well.. Humm, hahaha, ok now i have no answer.... Yet

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