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Andy Mac -> RE: Victory at Moulmien !!! (1/8/2010 12:58:09 PM)
You are right and there was a good reason for it but I cannot remember what it is !!! I suspect its because they have been hovering off of Java waiting for KB to show itself so I could take this risk. They have not been near many ports.

Andy Mac -> RE: Victory at Moulmien !!! (1/8/2010 10:12:53 PM)
The latest from Manila mac is stuck and getting low on supplies he is digging in for all he is worth but the pressure by air and by land is high Now in other news I expect an attack on Java in the near future I will be conducting an assessment of my chances of holding on soon but they aint much !!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Bataan (78,77) Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 47679 troops, 756 guns, 286 vehicles, Assault Value = 2028 Defending force 57792 troops, 1011 guns, 672 vehicles, Assault Value = 1789 Japanese ground losses: 5 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Allied ground losses: 305 casualties reported Squads: 4 destroyed, 19 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 20 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled Guns lost 6 (0 destroyed, 6 disabled) Vehicles lost 8 (2 destroyed, 6 disabled) Assaulting units: 7th Tank Regiment 21st Ind. Engineer Regiment 4th Tank Regiment 65th Brigade 38th Division 20th Infantry Regiment 1st Recon Regiment 1st Formosa Inf. Regiment 8th Tank Regiment 48th Recon Regiment 20th Ind. Engineer Regiment 47th Infantry Regiment 20th Recon Regiment 16th Infantry Regiment 24th Infantry Regiment 22nd Recon Regiment 19th Ind. Engineer Regiment 16th Recon Regiment 2nd Tank Regiment 9th Infantry Regiment 26th Recon Regiment 5th Mortar Battalion 2nd Field Artillery Regiment 14th Army 17th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 2nd Mortar Battalion 10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 18th Mountain Gun Regiment 48th Field Artillery Regiment 3rd Mortar Battalion 2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 1st RF Gun Battalion 6th Shipping Engineer Regiment 8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment 9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 1st Hvy.Artillery Rgt /2 14th Ind.Art.Mortar Bn /1 Defending units: 2nd PA Constabulary Division Manila Bay Defenses 4th Marine Regiment 93rd PA Infantry Regiment 31st Infantry Regiment 41st PA Infantry Division 21st PA Infantry Division 45th PS Infantry Regimental Combat Team 3rd/12th PA Inf Battalion 31st PA Infantry Division 91st PA Infantry Division 26th PS Cavalry Regiment 51st PA Infantry Division 11th PA Infantry Division 61st PA Infantry Division 57th PS Infantry Regimental Combat Team 194th Tank Battalion 192nd Tank Battalion 1st PA Infantry Division 14th PS Engineer Regiment 71st PA Infantry Division Kowloon Bde /3 301st Construction Battalion II Philippine Corps 1st PI Base Force Asiatic Fleet Cavite USN Base Force 1st USMC AA Battalion Clark Field USAAF Base Force Far East USAAF 201st PA Construction Battalion 803rd Engineer Aviation Battalion 200th & 515th Coast AA Regiment USAFFE 88th PS Field Artillery Regiment Provisional GMC Gp 202nd PA Construction Battalion I Philippine Corps Manila USAAF Base Force Bataan USN Base Force PAF Aviation 301st PA Field Artillery Regiment

Andy Mac -> RE: Victory at Moulmien !!! (1/8/2010 11:47:39 PM)
OK guys spotted what looks like a Jap Carrier force off of java so its time to leave i offloaded 2 Sqns of SBD's onto java to give the island some killing power and ordered a retreat

Andy Mac -> RE: Victory at Moulmien !!! (1/9/2010 1:35:35 PM)
We are kind of in limbo at present I have almost completed assembling my 'top gun' sqn of P38's all with good solid pilots I will commit when I can probably when I need to re win air superioity to get a convoy in

Andy Mac -> RE: Victory at Moulmien !!! (1/9/2010 3:09:16 PM)
Another quiet turn my fighters attacked a TF off of Lae but couldnt achieve much I have 100 US P40s in Austrlia now and 25 x P38E's 75 in 3 sqns are trainign all have 35 xp pilots and I am trying not to commit them unless I have to in the OTU bases in and around South Australia The 25 P38's are in a sqn ave xp 60 resting and waiting for pilots to arrive 12 remain out fo the sqns on 25 committed to PM and getting their arse kicked because at 35xp they aint cutting it. Apart from that all I have are the RAF Sqns 243 Sqn at Darwin has 15 x Buffalos and ave xp 49 488 Sqn (NZ) is at Townsville with 1 Buffalo I and 9 pilots but I am about to have enough Hurricane IIb's to upgrade the sqn I think I will have to as the Buffalo pool is now empty In about 45 days I get 3 RAAF Kittyhawk Sqns to augment my air defence Austalia and NZ are really really bare of defences int he first 4 months of war

Andy Mac -> RE: Victory at Moulmien !!! (1/9/2010 6:49:18 PM)
Nailed a couple of Destroyers off of Lae this turn but I am losing a lot of men to Japanese raiders so decion time I have sent over the P38 Sqn I will move up another P40 Sqn to move over to support them in a day or so Morning Air attack on TF, near Buna at 99,129 Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 6 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 3 Allied aircraft A-24 Banshee x 22 P-40E Warhawk x 1 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses A-24 Banshee: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed Japanese Ships DD Sazanami, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DD Oboro DD Kikuzuki, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage DD Kisaragi DD Uzuki Japanese ground losses: 80 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Aircraft Attacking: 3 x A-24 Banshee releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 4 x A-24 Banshee releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 4 x A-24 Banshee releasing from 4000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 5 x A-24 Banshee releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 4 x A-24 Banshee releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb CAP engaged: Okamoto Det with A6M2 Zero (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 3 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 15000 Raid is overhead Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DD Kikuzuki

castor troy -> RE: Victory at Moulmien !!! (1/9/2010 7:11:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Andy Mac Nailed a couple of Destroyers off of Lae this turn but I am losing a lot of men to Japanese raiders so decion time I have sent over the P38 Sqn I will move up another P40 Sqn to move over to support them in a day or so Morning Air attack on TF, near Buna at 99,129 Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 6 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 3 Allied aircraft A-24 Banshee x 22 P-40E Warhawk x 1 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses A-24 Banshee: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed Japanese Ships DD Sazanami, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DD Oboro DD Kikuzuki, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage DD Kisaragi DD Uzuki Japanese ground losses: 80 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Aircraft Attacking: 3 x A-24 Banshee releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 4 x A-24 Banshee releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 4 x A-24 Banshee releasing from 4000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 5 x A-24 Banshee releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 4 x A-24 Banshee releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb CAP engaged: Okamoto Det with A6M2 Zero (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 3 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 15000 Raid is overhead Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DD Kikuzuki why are you glide bombing? Wouldn�t it be better to dive bomb and keep your Banshees at 10.000ft?

Andy Mac -> RE: Victory at Moulmien !!! (1/9/2010 7:39:09 PM)
They are at 10,000 feet not sure what they are doing

Andy Mac -> Ambush at Prot Moresby (1/9/2010 8:47:43 PM)
I dont think PZB is very happy with my latest little surprise. All I will say in my defence is - he chose PDU on [:D][:D][:D] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Port Moresby , at 98,130 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 15 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 12 G3M2 Nell x 6 G4M1 Betty x 29 Allied aircraft P-38E Lightning x 24 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 4 destroyed G3M2 Nell: 1 damaged G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged Allied aircraft losses A-24 Banshee: 1 destroyed on ground Airbase hits 2 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 29 Aircraft Attacking: 6 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 15000 feet Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb 20 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 15000 feet Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb 6 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 15000 feet Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb CAP engaged: 3rd PS (P) with P-38E Lightning (6 airborne, 13 on standby, 5 scrambling) 6 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 20000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes 3 planes vectored on to bombers

Andy Mac -> RE: Ambush at Prot Moresby (1/9/2010 10:06:22 PM)
p.s. not advertising this fact to loudly but out of 25 planes 9 are already down for maintenance after one day P38E's are real hanger queens

Andy Mac -> RE: Ambush at Prot Moresby (1/9/2010 11:13:02 PM)
Day 2 PZB hit me at night destroyed 1 onthe ground next day zeroes came in I lost 4 more P38's in the air shot down a lot of zeroes Minor issue these are real bitches to maintain out of 25 in the sqns day 2 5 are destroyed and 14 are down for maintenance P38E's are real swines to keep flying

castor troy -> RE: Ambush at Prot Moresby (1/10/2010 2:10:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Andy Mac Day 2 PZB hit me at night destroyed 1 onthe ground next day zeroes came in I lost 4 more P38's in the air shot down a lot of zeroes Minor issue these are real bitches to maintain out of 25 in the sqns day 2 5 are destroyed and 14 are down for maintenance P38E's are real swines to keep flying while surely doing ok on CAP I guess the Lightnings are better used offensively in sweeps as they can be rested the other days and then go in with other fighters on a big sweep. Of course at this date, Cap is more important for the Allied than offensive sweeps but with the high service rating of the P-38 it�s only an emergency weapon IMO if you want them to cover an important spot for one or two days (when you�ve got ships unloading for example). But then you need four or five days to get them maintained again to be able to fly them out and during these days you need other fighters to guard them while the P-38s are sitting ont he ground.

Andy Mac -> RE: Ambush at Prot Moresby (1/10/2010 6:16:46 PM)
Yup but 3 days on and the P38's are STILL damaged ouch this is nasty it takes forever to repair them. I have 16 damged P38's stuck at PM My P40 Sqns exp is 35 - 40 and they get shot out of the sky I am just wasting aircraft all my pilots are in intesive training

aprezto -> RE: Ambush at Prot Moresby (1/10/2010 9:54:25 PM)
He's very grumpy about the use of the P-38s. As Castor Troy has pointed out it may not be historic but it is not going to change things. I don't think he knows about the how hard it is to keep them flying (news to me too).

Andy Mac -> RE: Ambush at Prot Moresby (1/10/2010 10:33:17 PM)
Yeah I know he is grumpy but he chose PDU and lets fact it its a massive bonus for the Japanese. Having said that the value of them other than psychologicial is limited as I cannot keep them flying

Andy Mac -> RE: Ambush at Prot Moresby (1/11/2010 1:19:55 AM)
OK last turn I went through and sent all my 50+ xp pilots from Sqns in rear areas to the fighter reserve pool which I will then use to start increasing the number of trained pilots int he key sqns near New Guinea. Actually the RAF pilots are in not bad shape I have so few fighter sqns and they tend to be smaller and some have NZ or Aus Pilots so I can pretty much make sure all my Hurricane Sqns have a full complement of decent pilots. Given the hanger queen disaster the P38's are becoming I have striped that sqn of some of its best pilots the Warhawks need em more

Andy Mac -> RE: Ambush at Prot Moresby (1/11/2010 1:23:55 AM)
I face a hard hard decision and need to think it through some more. Up until now I was intending on trying to fight for PM but I think he is coming soon and the performance of my fighters makes me worried. I have about 30,000 men on PM basically a reinforced Division. Given what happened to a similar force at Darwin (actually that one was better) against the full might of the IJN I think I am kidding myself on. If he brings along 2 reinforced Divs I probably cannot stop him and thats a bad thing - if the forts were hgher or I had more mines or I thought my CD guns would stop him then maybe. But my gut is telling me I have deluded myself.

castor troy -> RE: Ambush at Prot Moresby (1/11/2010 8:06:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Andy Mac Yeah I know he is grumpy but he chose PDU and lets fact it its a massive bonus for the Japanese. Having said that the value of them other than psychologicial is limited as I cannot keep them flying I had started a discussion with him in his AAR about the P-38 (how could I dare, afterall I know how a JFB is thinking [;)]). But the discussion ended right after starting it in agreeing that we don�t agree. I�ve asked how many frontline fighters he will mass produce in a couple of months and how many were historical. Not to talk about how well R&D will work and how many hundred/thousands of fighters he will produce earlier than they appeared in real life (not to talk about the total numbers). So he�s pissed off by three dozen P-38s 4 months ahead of what he would call acceptable while himselve probably already producing far more Zeroes and Oscars and in total (compared to real life) he will produce thousands of first line ac instead of the crap that was built in real life. Being a JFB or AFB is ok with me (just like I�m a JFB that took control over the Allied for my first PBEM), but you should never lose common sense IMO.

castor troy -> RE: Ambush at Prot Moresby (1/11/2010 8:14:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Andy Mac I face a hard hard decision and need to think it through some more. Up until now I was intending on trying to fight for PM but I think he is coming soon and the performance of my fighters makes me worried. I have about 30,000 men on PM basically a reinforced Division. Given what happened to a similar force at Darwin (actually that one was better) against the full might of the IJN I think I am kidding myself on. If he brings along 2 reinforced Divs I probably cannot stop him and thats a bad thing - if the forts were hgher or I had more mines or I thought my CD guns would stop him then maybe. But my gut is telling me I have deluded myself. that�s what I�m thinking too! [;)] Even if you have 1000 av there (from wherever you get them), at some point in the next 6 months, the enemy can bring 2-3000 av and that�s easily enough to kill the 1000 av. With KB around you can�t defend it. Seeing this in my PBEM (thank god I�m not trying to defend those places in the same way like you do - even if I intended to do it but my opponent was faster anyway) and it�s also obvious in your AARs against PzB and String. Even if you have two inf divs at PM, guess how they look like when KB has flown a couple of full size ground strikes against them. They will be knocked out due to disruption and then the enemy takes them out more or less easily. The enemy has more troops which are twice as exp as your�s and he�s got KB. What have you got? A CD routine that isn�t working and an enemy that has an amphib bonus that makes unloading for him like unloading in a friendly port. All in all, a helpless situation and not worth it losing high value units that can you use in 8-10 months for your starting offensives. IMO it�s a bad situation for the Allied if they keep on trying to defend those outpost like PM or Darwin with force as those strongholds can then be picked off and the important LCUs destroyed. While my opponent Rainer is moving a tad faster than your opponents (a week or two faster), in the end it is good for me. Why? You had 18th div at Darwin and it got shredded. I tried to first move it to PM, came late, then tried to move it to Darwin and again my opponent was faster. The first impression was me being pissed off, after sleeping over it, I was glad I wasn�t able to bring the div to PM or Darwin. And it�s safe now.

wpurdom -> RE: Ambush at Prot Moresby (1/11/2010 1:45:45 PM)
You may wind up having to strip the P-38's of pilots and disband them while you still can without losing the planes. If you wait they may be lost.

Andy Mac -> RE: Ambush at Prot Moresby (1/11/2010 1:50:48 PM)
Aye I need to assess the overall situation my gut feel is I have been over optimisitic and may need to pull back otherwise I am going to waste troops. Re Darwin I almost wish I hadnt guessed where String was going 18th Brit would be in Perth nice and safe as it is the whole Div has less fighting power than a Bn now

castor troy -> RE: Ambush at Prot Moresby (1/11/2010 2:26:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: wpurdom You may wind up having to strip the P-38's of pilots and disband them while you still can without losing the planes. If you wait they may be lost. this is something I would consider as gamey though. If it�s possible to disband this unit and get the damaged ac back into the pool then I would call that gameyness par excellence. How could one argue that this would be possible in real life? Saving damaged ac by disbanding them into a magic pool that makes them suddenly vanish from a base under air attack is pretty much off to me.

Andy Mac -> RE: Ambush at Prot Moresby (1/11/2010 4:15:27 PM)
You cannot the plane get destroyed when damaged

witpqs -> RE: Ambush at Prot Moresby (1/11/2010 4:45:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Andy Mac You cannot the plane get destroyed when damaged Somebody give me an Andy to English dictionary... [:D]

crsutton -> RE: Ambush at Prot Moresby (1/11/2010 5:08:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Andy Mac p.s. not advertising this fact to loudly but out of 25 planes 9 are already down for maintenance after one day P38E's are real hanger queens I think they really benefit from large airfields (5 or more). They really were fairly sophisticated aircraft and needed care. Especially true of the E version.

crsutton -> RE: Ambush at Prot Moresby (1/11/2010 5:19:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy quote: ORIGINAL: Andy Mac Yeah I know he is grumpy but he chose PDU and lets fact it its a massive bonus for the Japanese. Having said that the value of them other than psychologicial is limited as I cannot keep them flying I had started a discussion with him in his AAR about the P-38 (how could I dare, afterall I know how a JFB is thinking [;)]). But the discussion ended right after starting it in agreeing that we don�t agree. I�ve asked how many frontline fighters he will mass produce in a couple of months and how many were historical. Not to talk about how well R&D will work and how many hundred/thousands of fighters he will produce earlier than they appeared in real life (not to talk about the total numbers). So he�s pissed off by three dozen P-38s 4 months ahead of what he would call acceptable while himselve probably already producing far more Zeroes and Oscars and in total (compared to real life) he will produce thousands of first line ac instead of the crap that was built in real life. Being a JFB or AFB is ok with me (just like I�m a JFB that took control over the Allied for my first PBEM), but you should never lose common sense IMO. And we are talking about 50 fighters total. Not going to change the game one whit. And as a sop to JFBs the world over, production of P38s of all types is very sparse in AE. You will not see swarms of them like you did in WITP. The first massive American air superiority land fighter that Japan is really going to have to deal with is the P47. You will see lots and lots of them. BTW, did he use the "experimental" tojo unit located in China in the early days of the war?

crsutton -> RE: Ambush at Prot Moresby (1/11/2010 5:21:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy quote: ORIGINAL: wpurdom You may wind up having to strip the P-38's of pilots and disband them while you still can without losing the planes. If you wait they may be lost. this is something I would consider as gamey though. If it�s possible to disband this unit and get the damaged ac back into the pool then I would call that gameyness par excellence. How could one argue that this would be possible in real life? Saving damaged ac by disbanding them into a magic pool that makes them suddenly vanish from a base under air attack is pretty much off to me. But you do not get them all. That is the trade off.

castor troy -> RE: Ambush at Prot Moresby (1/12/2010 8:34:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Andy Mac You cannot the plane get destroyed when damaged good!

Przemcio231 -> RE: Ambush at Prot Moresby (1/12/2010 9:23:55 AM)
Hmmm how did you get those P-38's i have coupple of squadrons in the states but i can't upgrade or downgrade them to anything:)

castor troy -> RE: Ambush at Prot Moresby (1/12/2010 9:37:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Przemcio231 Hmmm how did you get those P-38's i have coupple of squadrons in the states but i can't upgrade or downgrade them to anything:) with PDU on and with enough other fighters in the pool you can downgrade them if you have at least 25 substitute fighters in the pool. With PDU off, you can�t I guess.

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