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Mynok -> RE: Stones River.... (1/17/2010 2:21:29 AM)


Interesting photos. Those guns are bronze yet rifled......



Mark VII -> RE: Stones River.... (1/17/2010 2:43:53 AM)

Here are some from another part of Stones River.

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ORIGINAL: Mynok

Interesting photos. Those guns are bronze yet rifled......




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Mark VII -> RE: Stones River.... (1/17/2010 2:44:47 AM)

smooth bore howitzer.

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Mark VII -> RE: Stones River.... (1/17/2010 2:45:35 AM)

Dave taking more pics.

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Mynok -> RE: Stones River.... (1/17/2010 2:46:29 AM)


Now see those two in front look like 3" rifles. The back two like 12lb napoleons. None of those is a howitzer.



Mark VII -> RE: Stones River.... (1/17/2010 2:57:08 AM)

You are probably correct. As I don't have the brochure I'm just guessing since I am not a Civil War expert. I guessed howizer as it seemed a shorter barrel that didn't taper at the firing end.

Some more to come.

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ORIGINAL: Mynok


Now see those two in front look like 3" rifles. The back two like 12lb napoleons. None of those is a howitzer.





Mynok -> RE: Stones River.... (1/17/2010 3:10:16 AM)


You could very well be right. Here's a pic of a 12lb howitzer from a Georgia unit.

[image]http://img.groundspeak.com/waymarking/large/96af7ee5-900a-42ad-90b6-782a6ad49533.jpg[/image]



Mynok -> RE: Stones River.... (1/17/2010 3:13:22 AM)

I think you are. Here is a napoleon. It has the flare at the end you mention.


[image]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/CW_Arty_M1857_Napoleon_front.jpg[/image]



BrucePowers -> RE: Stones River.... (1/17/2010 3:15:11 AM)

Stone's River is a really well done battlefield. Thank you for the photos. They refresh the memories.



ckammp -> RE: Stones River.... (1/17/2010 3:16:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Mark VII

Dave taking more pics.

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The iron gun in front is a 3" Ordnance Rifle, the bronze gun in back is a 12" howitzer.

As for the bronze rifled cannons, the Union did produce such weapons for field use, and some of the existing smoothbores were rebored and rifled to be able to use stocks of new rifled ammunition.



Mynok -> RE: Stones River.... (1/17/2010 3:16:38 AM)


Still very curious about this one with the rifling.[image]http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/upfiles/9748/0EEE2DFB649B46AC94A9CBCF6CA954EA.jpg[/image]



Mark VII -> RE: Stones River.... (1/17/2010 3:24:36 AM)

This an enlarged version of the sign. This was part of the "Cotton Field" where this battery of four 3inch Ordinance Rifles and four 12pounder Howitzers helped stop Confederate attacks on the Round Forest and the Nashville Pike. The battery fired some 2,299 rounds sometimes with the enemy only 600 yards away. The Confederates lacked artillery support and the battle died down for the night.

edit: the image did not enlarge very well but I guess the point can be made, who know what guns are actually on display?

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Mynok -> RE: Stones River.... (1/17/2010 3:28:34 AM)


Those howitzers are death on infantry, for sure. One reason I think the Confederates were so good at defense was due to having lots of them. Of course, the Yanks countered with lots of 3" rifles to knock them out. [:D]



BrucePowers -> RE: Stones River.... (1/17/2010 3:32:09 AM)

The 2 biggest thing I remember about Stones River are the guns in the cotton field and then those Confederate guns and the limbers back in the woods and trying to get them through those thick woods.



sfbaytf -> RE: Stones River.... (1/17/2010 3:33:42 AM)

James rifled cannons?



Mark VII -> RE: Stones River.... (1/17/2010 3:34:53 AM)

This is the Chicago Board of Trade Battery. Check http://crossedsabers.blogspot.com/2008/10/chicago-board-of-trade-battery.html. Seems they started with six James Rifled 6 pounders and right before they headed south they exchanged four of the rifled guns for four smoothbore 6 pounders.

edit: I see sfbaytf beat me to the punch since I had to google.


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ORIGINAL: Mynok


Still very curious about this one with the rifling.[image]http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/upfiles/9748/0EEE2DFB649B46AC94A9CBCF6CA954EA.jpg[/image]





Mynok -> RE: Stones River.... (1/17/2010 3:36:46 AM)


Could be James rifled napoleons. I found this link. Fascinating.

http://markerhunter.wordpress.com/2009/02/05/rifled-napoleons/



Mark VII -> RE: Stones River.... (1/17/2010 3:38:37 AM)

This is at the beginning of "The Slaughter Pen" which was on the first day.

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Mark VII -> RE: Stones River.... (1/17/2010 3:41:35 AM)

Men of Sheridan's and Negley's divisions warded off several determined Confederate assaults.

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Mark VII -> RE: Stones River.... (1/17/2010 3:42:31 AM)

These guns were left behind.

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Mark VII -> RE: Stones River.... (1/17/2010 3:43:25 AM)

Notice the rock formations. Lets get together and try to "prolong" these guns from one gap in the rocks to another gap as some guys with grey uniforms are shooting at us.[X(]

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sfbaytf -> RE: Stones River.... (1/17/2010 3:45:58 AM)

I googled so it doesn't count.

I had the SPI Strategy and Tactics editions on Wilsons creek and Pea Ridge. Got tossed out years ago as did War in the Pacific, Atlantic Wall, Highway to the Reich and a buch of other board games and S&T editions. When I see what they now fetch on EBay, I want to vomit.

I never knew or heard of the Shenandoah Valley or Stonewall Jackson and his "foot cavalry" till I got the S&T magazine in the mail and read about it.

I still have fond memories of the F-4 Phantom pilots from VMF-212 and VMF-235 who were based out at Kaneohe and game me the opportunity to sit in the front seat of a Phantom. All from the South. For a young kid that was a huge thrill.

Years from now those little boys and girls in Iraq and Afghanistan who are treated with kind thoughts and words from our servicemen and women will not forget.


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ORIGINAL: Mark VII

This is the Chicago Board of Trade Battery. Check http://crossedsabers.blogspot.com/2008/10/chicago-board-of-trade-battery.html. Seems they started with six James Rifled 6 pounders and right before they headed south they exchanged four of the rifled guns for four smoothbore 6 pounders.

edit: I see sfbaytf beat me to the punch since I had to google.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mynok


Still very curious about this one with the rifling.[image]http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/upfiles/9748/0EEE2DFB649B46AC94A9CBCF6CA954EA.jpg[/image]







Mark VII -> RE: Stones River.... (1/17/2010 3:47:00 AM)

Looks like a nice defensive place not counting the stone splinters from near misses.

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Mark VII -> RE: Stones River.... (1/17/2010 3:48:33 AM)

lets move some arty thru here.

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Mark VII -> RE: Stones River.... (1/17/2010 3:49:50 AM)

Friend or foe? Check fire!!! Its RaverDave. Having a nice walkabout Mate?

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Mynok -> RE: Stones River.... (1/17/2010 3:50:18 AM)


Tell you what, though, one accurate shell landing in that crevasse would put a hurtin on anyone hunkered down in there. Looks like the Devil's Den in miniature.




Mark VII -> RE: Stones River.... (1/17/2010 3:56:46 AM)

Maybe thats where the name "Slaughter Pen" came from.

In the end the Rebs did wheel up some arty as close as 200 yards. Still, attack after attack failed with heavy losses to both sides. Finally Sheridan had to abandon this position. His delaying action during the retreat allowed the Union troops time to dig in along the Nashville Pike. The next action was "The Cotton Field" which I have already shown.

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ORIGINAL: Mynok


Tell you what, though, one accurate shell landing in that crevasse would put a hurtin on anyone hunkered down in there. Looks like the Devil's Den in miniature.






Mynok -> RE: Stones River.... (1/17/2010 3:58:19 AM)


Gonna have to read up on that battle. Sounds interesting.



Mark VII -> RE: Stones River.... (1/17/2010 4:03:12 AM)

And speaking about the Cotton Field. Here is Dave surrounded by cotton.

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Mark VII -> RE: Stones River.... (1/17/2010 4:04:34 AM)

Cotton Field. Note guns of Parson's Battery in the weeds to the left and nashville Pike to the Right.

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