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castor troy -> RE: Oscar v B17E (4/19/2010 7:37:24 AM)
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ORIGINAL: TheElf
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ORIGINAL: mike scholl 1
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ORIGINAL: Who Cares
Second issue. Look at the ground bombing levels for those pilots. If I had them on training for that same period they would all be in the 70s. Actually truth be told, all their levels in 2 categories would be in the 70s (as it only takes 2 months to go from 40s to 70s "in training"). Am I really the only one that finds it hard to swallow that a person learns faster "in training" than by flying actual missions? Again, historically accurate? If so, then why would the 56th fighter group not allow anyone with less than 10 combat missions under his belt to engage "the Abbyville boys"? Combat experience is so head and shoulders above "training" it isn't even in the same league, but the devs of this "simulation" know better I guess.
No..., you aren't. I've had the same experiance. And while it might be reasonable in the 0-40 portion of the "learning curve" (the last thing you need while you are still "getting comfortable" with the challenges of combat flying is to find yourself in real combat)..., above a certain point "reality" becomes a much better teacher than "theory" (the presence of real bullets tends to "focus the mind" wonderfully.).
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ORIGINAL: castor troy
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ORIGINAL: Who Cares
Well, those are MY bombers. But you miss the point.
15 hex maximum (normal) range for the B-17E. If you look, they are based at Dacca and flying night bombing missions to Rangoon 100% strength (none on rest). Every night, 15 hexes out and 15 hexes back. For several months straight. 2 operational losses and 1 write off in all that time. 1275psi, if you think this is historically accurate, you need better sources sir.
Second issue. Look at the ground bombing levels for those pilots. If I had them on training for that same period they would all be in the 70s. Actually truth be told, all their levels in 2 categories would be in the 70s (as it only takes 2 months to go from 40s to 70s "in training"). Am I really the only one that finds it hard to swallow that a person learns faster "in training" than by flying actual missions? Again, historically accurate? If so, then why would the 56th fighter group not allow anyone with less than 10 combat missions under his belt to engage "the Abbyville boys"? Combat experience is so head and shoulders above "training" it isn't even in the same league, but the devs of this "simulation" know better I guess.
You sure arenīt, I totally agree. But I wonīt chime in here because Iīve got enough "battles" going on anyway.[;)]
Itīs no simulation though and that saves the day. Itīs a game, closer to reality than Command & Conquer but still a kind of Command & Conquer in the Pacific. It only gets iffy if the game claims to be realistic or historically correct in some aspects.
@ CT and MS1
Shame on you for not really looking at this situation and blindly encouraging this sort of half-@$$ed argument. At the rate those bottom 5 pilots are accruing EXP they'll Be elite veterans 65-75 in less than a year. How much shorter do you think this process should be?
TheElf, no matter if there are veterans or not somewhere, you know yourselve that you can train a green pilot out of flight school up to 70 skill (whatever wished) in two or max three months. Now if you have doing this same pilot an actual mission for 3 months he wonīt even reach 50 skill. I doubt that youīve missed that and most people are aware of. Of course thereīs the ongoing mixing up of exp and skill, but then take it: skill increases faster in training than in doing actual missions. Iīve got PBY pilots flying nav search since day one of the campaign and am now at the end of 9/42 and theyīve still not reached nav search skill 70. While I can produce literally hundreds skill 70 pilots in a couple of months if I want to do so.
So the original post I was referring to about "training being better than actually doing the real mission" is something I definetely stand to. I hope you donīt see this as a flame post or a personal attack against you again, but you can not deny that it actual is like Iīm describing it.
In the above example, he was talking about ground bombing experience but actually means skill too. Taking my above example again, my PBY pilots reach nav search skill 70 in three months at the lates when doing training, but it takes them probably 15 months to reach skill 70 when actually doing the mission. Same goes for bombing, Iīm able to reach any type of bombing skill 70 within a couple of months on training but pilots being drawn into squadrons right out of flight school need far more time reaching 70 when flying combat missions. This all, of course, in my special edition.
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