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karonagames -> RE: Road to Leningrad AAR (for Beginners) (9/4/2010 9:55:02 AM)

I used to work for Interactive Magic, who were due to publish Road to Moscow. I have a barely playable version of the game knocking around somewhere. I assume the game fell through the cracks when Interactive Magic moved from boxed game publishing into online games. A lot of titles were sold to Ubisoft, but I don't think Road to Moscow was one of them.



ComradeP -> RE: Road to Leningrad AAR (for Beginners) (9/4/2010 11:12:50 AM)

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Can one of you show me on what you are talking about on divisional insignia? If it is what I think, that would be awesome, especially showing the SS unit insignias.


The screenshots in this BiN AAR should give you a good idea of divisional insignia counters in SSG games:

http://www.ssg.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5306&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

An SSG unit counter (on the map) is composed of: a drawing of men/equipment (for non-divisional units)/divisional insignia, a NATO symbol identifying the type of unit, NATO indicator of unit size and an indicator of whether a unit is in supply or not.



goranw -> RE: Road to Leningrad AAR (for Beginners) (9/4/2010 9:55:20 PM)

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Also I have the same question - what happened to Road to Moscow?

Hi!
If you want to see some old screen shots from Road to Moscow go to my site
www.mannaberg.se
Goran



Grisha -> RE: Road to Leningrad AAR (for Beginners) (9/5/2010 4:34:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ComradeP

quote:

Can one of you show me on what you are talking about on divisional insignia? If it is what I think, that would be awesome, especially showing the SS unit insignias.


The screenshots in this BiN AAR should give you a good idea of divisional insignia counters in SSG games:

http://www.ssg.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5306&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

An SSG unit counter (on the map) is composed of: a drawing of men/equipment (for non-divisional units)/divisional insignia, a NATO symbol identifying the type of unit, NATO indicator of unit size and an indicator of whether a unit is in supply or not.


Interesting. Seeing that, my mind instantly responded with "too cluttered!" The terrain graphics really hit hard for me, muddying my ability to assess visually. WitE is cleaner, which I can appreciate.



Grisha -> RE: Road to Leningrad AAR (for Beginners) (9/5/2010 4:37:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: goranw

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Also I have the same question - what happened to Road to Moscow?

Hi!
If you want to see some old screen shots from Road to Moscow go to my site
www.mannaberg.se
Goran


I had high hopes for this design. I remember it went through several iterations, eventually settling on an online version that was in realtime. In the end, I believe the developer stated that the neural network code wasn't good enough for what he wanted. This really died a slow painful death.



ComradeP -> RE: Road to Leningrad AAR (for Beginners) (9/5/2010 6:33:41 PM)

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Interesting. Seeing that, my mind instantly responded with "too cluttered!" The terrain graphics really hit hard for me, muddying my ability to assess visually. WitE is cleaner, which I can appreciate.


It's mostly bocage terrain, that's why it looks "cluttered".



goranw -> RE: Road to Leningrad AAR (for Beginners) (9/5/2010 8:25:59 PM)

Hi!
Uploaded is a small part of a typical real German OKH- map that was widely used.
(Its the German 9th army and The Soviet positions-43)
Its easy to see some resemblence with the map in
"War in the East". I find that very inspiring. Very often
game maps are to fancy and totally unrealistic. Of course a map cant be
altogether realistic because of the need for some abstractions and game-help.
Goran



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british exil -> RE: Road to Leningrad AAR (for Beginners) (9/5/2010 9:49:56 PM)

goranw where did you get the map? Or rather where can you buy such maps?

Mat



goranw -> RE: Road to Leningrad AAR (for Beginners) (9/6/2010 7:29:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: british exil

goranw where did you get the map? Or rather where can you buy such maps?

Mat


Hi!
From contacts with the same map interest and from buying on Ebay.
Goran



hgilmer3 -> RE: Road to Leningrad AAR (for Beginners) (9/7/2010 2:45:36 AM)

I just read this AAR and I really liked it.

This is the one wargame title I have been waiting for for awhile.



SGHunt -> RE: Road to Leningrad AAR (for Beginners) (9/8/2010 2:15:29 PM)

Thanks - more AAR's (and from big, bad players) to come I gather!

Stuart



SGHunt -> RE: Road to Leningrad AAR (for Beginners) (9/8/2010 2:18:53 PM)

Ooops - I see Jon has already stated posting!   



Grisha -> RE: Road to Leningrad AAR (for Beginners) (9/9/2010 6:39:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: british exil

goranw where did you get the map? Or rather where can you buy such maps?

Mat


The University of Indiana (Bloomington) has a very nice collection of Soviet and German maps, both from the WWII era. Contact their Geography Library staff for info and cost.



hgilmer3 -> RE: Road to Leningrad AAR (for Beginners) (9/15/2010 11:34:13 PM)

One thing I noticed that I really like the sound of in your AAR was that there seemed to be 4 strats to use and every one of them had a pro and con to it.  Some of the discussions, I could just see the generals having the same discussions and maybe even arguing with each other (until Hitler walked in, I bet).



henri51 -> RE: Road to Leningrad AAR (for Beginners) (11/5/2010 12:47:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: lbadal99

I would say SSG games were designed well with the "art" look, but this game really looks well done and it seems to be very accurate in the statistics.  [&o]

Can one of you show me on what you are talking about on divisional insignia? If it is what I think, that would be awesome, especially showing the SS unit insignias. [:D] 

Also I have the same question - what happened to Road to Moscow? [&:] 

   


RtM was dropped and is presumably dead. I still have (I think) the CD of the Alpha version I received for a review I did for the Gamesdomain site (and maybe Alpha is a generous word in this case). Possibly the game was too ambitious for the capabilities of computers back then, but it WAS an interesting project.

Henri



pvthudson01 -> RE: Road to Leningrad AAR (for Beginners) (11/30/2010 1:34:14 PM)

I hope all this is documented in the instruction manual :)



Krec -> RE: Road to Leningrad AAR (for Beginners) (12/21/2010 1:21:52 AM)

The main problem that one must always wrestle with is speed/time vs slower and careful. What i am seeing in some of these scenarios so far is that if you are 1-2 turns late getting to a certain spot the Russian Horde will block you out or cut you off. I am only playing against the AI. Against a Human i bet it is quite nasty.



topeverest -> RE: Road to Leningrad AAR (for Beginners) (12/26/2010 1:15:06 PM)

Von Jaeger,

Thinking about buying this game.  What is your overall impression as a first time player of the system?  What is great, and what isnt working so well?



findmeifyoucan -> RE: Road to Leningrad AAR (for Beginners) (12/31/2010 8:46:34 PM)

It looks like a very interesting game and fairly realistic! I have not bought it yet but soon. It also looks like a once in a few generations game. If anything mabye even too detailed. lol
It may even pry me away from that other awesome game by Matrix, "War in Pacific Admiral Edition". :-))
I will be more interested in the Grand Campaign though and bash those Russians all the way back to the Caucaus Mountains and the Urals. lol



topeverest -> RE: Road to Leningrad AAR (for Beginners) (12/31/2010 11:16:52 PM)

I bought this game and am starting a PBEM as the ruskies.  Sure to get wiped, but I will learn the game in the process.

As an aside, I am dissapointed that the entire paper manual is not offered.  I would have paid more if it meant getting the whole manual! 

Half a manual is like half pregnant! 



nicwb -> RE: Road to Leningrad AAR (for Beginners) (1/1/2011 3:42:43 AM)

True topeverest,

but at least they made it easier to access the ecopy of the manual mid game by allowing you to minimise the game screen.



randallw -> RE: Road to Leningrad AAR (for Beginners) (1/1/2011 6:01:29 AM)

Enjoy your half pregnancy.



garymiboy -> RE: Road to Leningrad AAR (for Beginners) (1/3/2011 11:41:52 PM)

Hi,guys.spent the last 2 days reading up on the AARs..great work and congrats to all... just gone and bought it :)..so should be showing my face in here a lot from now on !!. always been a big john tiller campaigns fan. especially the eastern front !!..so really looking forward to getting into this [:)]



SGHunt -> RE: Road to Leningrad AAR (for Beginners) (1/13/2011 7:00:51 PM)

garymiboy

Sorry not to have responded sooner - I have been doing the things I should have been doing whilst playing this game!

You have made quite the right choice, as I am sure you know by now!

Enjoy
Stuart



Fraucha -> RE: Road to Leningrad AAR (for Beginners) (1/15/2011 4:27:28 AM)

What a great game and what a great tutorial thanks!!!!



SGHunt -> RE: Road to Leningrad AAR (for Beginners) (1/23/2011 3:20:25 PM)

Fraucha

If you are referring to this AAR then thank you for the compliment. It was great fun to do.

Stuart



ColVons -> RE: Road to Leningrad AAR (for Beginners) (2/8/2011 4:38:16 AM)

BigAnorak, do you think Matrix will do Road to Moscow.  I would love to see that game.  I remember being disappointed when it was cancelled.



Brasidas27 -> RE: Road to Leningrad AAR (for Beginners) (4/24/2011 1:59:55 PM)

Von J,

Although a little late, I want to thank you for posting this AAR. By learning about the game mechanics through your posts, you have convinced me to take the plunge and purchase WITE. Thanks again.

[:D]



daft -> RE: Road to Leningrad AAR (for Beginners) (8/18/2011 1:28:44 AM)

Amazing that people still remember and talks about Road to Moscow. I absolutely loved the concept and was so disappointed when it got cancelled. The closest hing we have to it now is the Panther Games series I suppose. Just imagine a scaled up version of that engine...

Many thanks to von Jaeger for an excellent AAR! Got the game today after much deliberation, and having finished the tutorial I will take on this scenario armed with your lessons. Need to go through some relevant sections in the manual first though. :)



tex_ka95 -> RE: Road to Leningrad AAR (for Beginners) (4/2/2015 3:10:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: daft

Amazing that people still remember and talks about Road to Moscow. I absolutely loved the concept and was so disappointed when it got cancelled. The closest hing we have to it now is the Panther Games series I suppose. Just imagine a scaled up version of that engine...

Many thanks to von Jaeger for an excellent AAR! Got the game today after much deliberation, and having finished the tutorial I will take on this scenario armed with your lessons. Need to go through some relevant sections in the manual first though. :)


I just posted in the General forum about how much I would love to have Matrix find the source code for Road to Moscow and finish it. Then I found this forum. lol



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