RE: Slaughter of the Allied CV/BB Fleet - Combat 1944

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TulliusDetritus -> RE: Slaughter of the Allied CV/BB Fleet - Combat 1944 (1/31/2011 6:19:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: 5thGuardsTankArmy Who say that a military victory as Japan in 1944 is impossible? Against a competent allied player I would say it's impossible [:)] Whatever. You did massacre your opponent, so congratulations [8D]

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Slaughter of the Allied CV/BB Fleet - Combat 1944 (1/31/2011 7:00:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus quote: ORIGINAL: 5thGuardsTankArmy Who say that a military victory as Japan in 1944 is impossible? Against a competent allied player I would say it's impossible [:)] Whatever. You did massacre your opponent, so congratulations [8D] On the Internet, nobody knows if your opponent is a dog.

vettim89 -> RE: Slaughter of the Allied CV/BB Fleet - Combat 1944 (1/31/2011 7:08:58 PM)
If people would stop posting to this thread it would go there ">" (next page) and eventually it will go there ">>" (last page). Okay it will never go to ">>" but it will get close

Puhis -> RE: Slaughter of the Allied CV/BB Fleet - Combat 1944 (1/31/2011 7:12:03 PM)
If it turns out that 5thGuardsTankArmy is not an old troll, this parrot choir should be banned... What is this? A kindergarter, where you cry for mommy when you don't like somebody... [8\|]

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Slaughter of the Allied CV/BB Fleet - Combat 1944 (1/31/2011 7:35:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Puhis If it turns out that 5thGuardsTankArmy is not an old troll, this parrot choir should be banned... What is this? A kindergarter, where you cry for mommy when you don't like somebody... [8\|] What's a parrot choir? Do they have those in Finland? Note please, you yourself, and the previous poster, just extended the thread. Funny how that works, huh?

rtrapasso -> RE: Slaughter of the Allied CV/BB Fleet - Combat 1944 (1/31/2011 7:43:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus quote: ORIGINAL: 5thGuardsTankArmy Who say that a military victory as Japan in 1944 is impossible? Against a competent allied player I would say it's impossible [:)] Whatever. You did massacre your opponent, so congratulations [8D] This IS impossible... if you will note, some of the air combat TFs have 25+ ships. AFAIK, this isn't allowed by the game, so the reports are apparently falsified. If this person admits to having been on in the past, but only has a recently joined the forum (by the date joined), something is also amiss, as in a banned person joining under another name. Possibly this is not the case, however, multiple accounts are also banned under forum policy. EDIT: here is a list of ships in a TF from post 1 - count the number of ships present: quote:* Allied Ships CVE Shipley Bay, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage CVE Fanshaw Bay, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage CVE Hoggatt Bay, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage CVL Unicorn CVL Bataan BB Iowa CVL Belleau Wood CV Saratoga CV Enterprise CVE Ranee CVE Kadashan Bay, Torpedo hits 1 CVE Altamaha, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk CVE Prince William, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage CVE Breton CVE Shah, Torpedo hits 1 CV Wasp II CVL San Jacinto CV Franklin CV Lexington CVL Princeton CV Essex CVE Wake Island, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage CVE Rudyerd Bay, Torpedo hits 1 CVE Barnes, Torpedo hits 1 CVE Saginaw Bay, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage CVE Marcus Island CV Illustrious DD Ammen CVL Independence, Torpedo hits 1, on fire BB South Dakota CVE Long Island CVE Copahee, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage BB New Jersey, on fire, heavy damage BB Indiana CVE Begum, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage CV Wasp CVE Battler i count 37 ships here. *only 25 ships allowed in combat TFs... i suppose it is possible that this is an "escort" TF, however, that would be either nuts, or incompetence to a criminal degree.

Puhis -> RE: Slaughter of the Allied CV/BB Fleet - Combat 1944 (1/31/2011 7:58:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58 What's a parrot choir? Do they have those in Finland? Yes, sadly we do have our own "5-star forum stalkers". quote: ORIGINAL: rtrapasso This IS impossible... if you will note, some of the air combat TFs have 25+ ships. AFAIK, this isn't allowed by the game*, so the reports are apparently falsified. Sorry but you're wrong. Naval strike can hit multiple TFs, not just one... So number of ships reported have nothing to do with TF size. I don't think those reports are falsified. Maybe it's a fixed battle, but not falsified.

rtrapasso -> RE: Slaughter of the Allied CV/BB Fleet - Combat 1944 (1/31/2011 8:00:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Puhis quote: ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58 What's a parrot choir? Do they have those in Finland? Yes, sadly we do have our own "5-star forum stalkers". quote: ORIGINAL: rtrapasso This IS impossible... if you will note, some of the air combat TFs have 25+ ships. AFAIK, this isn't allowed by the game*, so the reports are apparently falsified. Sorry but you're wrong. Naval strike can hit multiple TFs, not just one... So number of ships reported have nothing to do with TF size. I don't think those reports are falsified. Maybe it's a set up battle, but not falsified. Since i haven't had a multi-task force carrier encounter yet, i will bow to your superior knowledge. However, i would have thought they would have split up the results into different TFS.

obvert -> RE: Slaughter of the Allied CV/BB Fleet - Combat 1944 (1/31/2011 8:04:55 PM)
At any rate it's an interesting read for a newb to see the theories of how it is impossible. The argument being picked apart through the details of what is and is not possible in the game. I'm learning a bit, and especially a lot about what not to do, and how not to report what I have seen pass in this game. I agree that the defense of the argument is weak, and possible this is because the original post was written in someone's second language? Everyone loves a mystery.

Puhis -> RE: Slaughter of the Allied CV/BB Fleet - Combat 1944 (1/31/2011 8:14:23 PM)
Fixed battle or not, but I see there's (at least) 3 valuable lessons for newbies. 1) Neglecting pilot training is bad idea. 2) Carriers at coastal hex is bad idea. 3) Too large combat TFs is bad idea. [:)]

John Lansford -> RE: Slaughter of the Allied CV/BB Fleet - Combat 1944 (1/31/2011 8:57:12 PM)
I've seen where bombers attack different TF's in one phase, but the results were seperate and listed under the TF# for each one. I've never seen all the ships attacked get named in one gigantic ship list.

ChickenOfTheSea -> RE: Slaughter of the Allied CV/BB Fleet - Combat 1944 (1/31/2011 9:05:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: John Lansford I've seen where bombers attack different TF's in one phase, but the results were seperate and listed under the TF# for each one.� I've never seen all the ships attacked get�named in one gigantic ship list. This is what I see also and rtrapasso is correct. However, from now on I am going to disregard this thread.

obvert -> RE: Slaughter of the Allied CV/BB Fleet - Combat 1944 (1/31/2011 9:08:05 PM)
Is it possible to set this up in an editor, just to work on mechanics of large fleet battles, and play them over and over again? Just new here, and wondering. Seems it would be good to learn how different tactics of invasion might work, (or not) against staunch defense. Also good to work on equipment you might not get to use in combination often, or ever.

ChezDaJez -> RE: Slaughter of the Allied CV/BB Fleet - Combat 1944 (1/31/2011 9:15:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert Is it possible to set this up in an editor, just to work on mechanics of large fleet battles, and play them over and over again? Just new here, and wondering. Seems it would be good to learn how different tactics of invasion might work, (or not) against staunch defense. Also good to work on equipment you might not get to use in combination often, or ever. Yes it is possible to set this up in the editor. During beta playtesting, we set up several sandboxes using the editor to test various elements of the game. Fairly easy to do. Personally, I think we should just let this thread die a quick death. Chez

Puhis -> RE: Slaughter of the Allied CV/BB Fleet - Combat 1944 (1/31/2011 9:16:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ChickenOfTheSea quote: ORIGINAL: John Lansford I've seen where bombers attack different TF's in one phase, but the results were seperate and listed under the TF# for each one.� I've never seen all the ships attacked get�named in one gigantic ship list. This is what I see also and rtrapasso is correct. Really??? [&:] Because my results are like this: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Duff Islands at 125,141 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 18 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 40 Allied aircraft Albacore I x 6 Swordfish I x 13 F4F-4 Wildcat x 36 SBD-2 Dauntless x 18 SBD-3 Dauntless x 66 TBF-1 Avenger x 30 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses Albacore I: 1 destroyed Swordfish I: 5 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat: 7 destroyed SBD-2 Dauntless: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged SBD-3 Dauntless: 4 destroyed, 6 damaged TBF-1 Avenger: 1 destroyed, 12 damaged Japanese Ships BB Ise, Bomb hits 10, heavy fires BB Hyuga, Bomb hits 5, on fire CV Hiyo, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage CVE Hosho, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage BB Kongo, Bomb hits 3 CV Junyo, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage CA Haguro CVL Ryujo DD Makigumo, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage DD Naganami, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage DD Yugumo DD Kazegumo, Bomb hits 1, on fire BB Haruna CS Nisshin, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires There was 2 TFs for sure, one with slower ships and one with faster ships. Combat report, PBEM game.

ChickenOfTheSea -> RE: Slaughter of the Allied CV/BB Fleet - Combat 1944 (1/31/2011 9:25:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Puhis quote: ORIGINAL: ChickenOfTheSea quote: ORIGINAL: John Lansford I've seen where bombers attack different TF's in one phase, but the results were seperate and listed under the TF# for each one.� I've never seen all the ships attacked get�named in one gigantic ship list. This is what I see also and rtrapasso is correct. Really??? [&:] Because my results are like this: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Duff Islands at 125,141 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 18 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 40 Allied aircraft Albacore I x 6 Swordfish I x 13 F4F-4 Wildcat x 36 SBD-2 Dauntless x 18 SBD-3 Dauntless x 66 TBF-1 Avenger x 30 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses Albacore I: 1 destroyed Swordfish I: 5 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat: 7 destroyed SBD-2 Dauntless: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged SBD-3 Dauntless: 4 destroyed, 6 damaged TBF-1 Avenger: 1 destroyed, 12 damaged Japanese Ships BB Ise, Bomb hits 10, heavy fires BB Hyuga, Bomb hits 5, on fire CV Hiyo, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage CVE Hosho, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage BB Kongo, Bomb hits 3 CV Junyo, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage CA Haguro CVL Ryujo DD Makigumo, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage DD Naganami, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage DD Yugumo DD Kazegumo, Bomb hits 1, on fire BB Haruna CS Nisshin, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires There was 2 TFs for sure, one with slower ships and one with faster ships. Combat report, PBEM game. Actually, after checking old reports, it appears that you are correct. It's each air attack that produces one combat report. My apologies.

USSAmerica -> RE: Slaughter of the Allied CV/BB Fleet - Combat 1944 (5/8/2011 2:26:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Puhis If it turns out that 5thGuardsTankArmy is not an old troll, this parrot choir should be banned... What is this? A kindergarter, where you cry for mommy when you don't like somebody... [8\|] This pile of steaming horse crap is Japan/Helmut/etc..... From post #272 of this thread: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2799601&mpage=10� quote: ORIGINAL: 5thGuardsTankArmy Regarding the Osama bin Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden case. 1) Was it legal to go into another soverign country and conduct an armed attack without getting permission from that soverign country first? 2) Is it legal to execute criminals without the due process of the law? I have no sympathies with Bin Laden and his gang, but on the other hand I have no what so ever sympathies with the 9/11 victims or their families either. They both have something in common, they are probably both religious, ignorant and casualties of war. (And to you "I love hero best in the world US hallelluja folks, just bring it on.. I won't check this thread any more as I'm leaving now for vaccation - Bye). My apologies for the thread necromancy, but many forum members were not sure about this loser a few months ago.

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