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Cribtop -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (10/14/2011 9:51:09 PM)

May 15, 1942

Kalemyo falls. [:(]

Subs

I-6 is attacked by a PC near Diamond Harbor and takes one penetrating hit in the replay. She's fine but her forward tubes are bent, so back to Singers it is. A Glen spots several merchies at Tahiti, which appears to confirm intel that this is a hub. We have 2 I-boats hovering near Bora Bora and Tahiti to address this. A Wirraway bombs RO-34 near Sydney but misses. An IJN ASW TF harasses Triton near Tokyo again, but no hits.

4th Fleet

Emilys from TB recon Luganville and discover 4 LCUs. Not a huge buildup, but CF is stirring in this region.

SE Fleet

Cribtop HQ orders a response to the Tulagi bombardment in case it is a prelude to something bigger. South Seas Fleet sails due East from Manus and will loiter near Ontong Java. Obviously we have to be careful of USN CVs, but we want the heavies nearby in case CF tries a snap invasion. Today, small Val, Kate and Zero groups base forward to Munda Point (you now see the "point" of building up this base, readers - ok, I apologize for that). An underemployed Nell Hikotai begins to shift from the DEI towards Munda. Intention is to augment naval search capacity towards the Santa Cruz and New Hebrides islands and to have some additional LBA punch near the point of contact (remember we have a crack Betty Hikotai at Rabaul already). We had previously launched a mine laying TF from Truk towards Tulagi, and the brave mini sub is still in place. Finally, we have deployed 2 AMCs with Jakes aboard as early warning ships near the Santa Cruz chain.

14th Army

No change.

16th Army

4 B-17s hit Daly. The local commander is screaming for a base force at Katherine to provide LRCAP. It will soon arrive. Damage from the 4Es is minimal, but in such small numbers we hope to swamp them with fighters and shoot a few down.

25th Army

Tomorrow 38th Division begins to unload at Semarang. The IJA is gathering overwhelming force to dispatch Batavia. Recon shows Christmas Island (IO) is unoccupied.

15th Army

We attack the enemy at Kalemyo with 100 IJAAF mediums, but no joy as an Allied DA takes the base with 10:1 odds, casualties a rather painful 41(0) vs 1683(139). Sigh. We will admit Cuttlefish caught us off balance with these quick counterattacks in Burma.

However, we are about to unleash a hidden plan. Since Day 1 of the war, all Royal Thai Army units save the Cav Division have been prepping for the same base and in rest/training mode. Intention was to increase EXP from their abysmal 25 or 35 to something respectable. We now have the RTA 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 6th and & 7th Divisions at EXP numbers between 47 and 53. They aren't worldbeaters, but they should be able to hold in rough terrain. 3 RTA divisions will soon move into Burma (allowed by our House Rules) to man defensive positions, thus freeing up the 3 IJA Divisions to shift to offensive ops.

Port Blair makes level 3 airfield, which is important as it "de-asterisks" that base, home to a Zero Daitai and a Nell Hikotai.

China

No changes.




Canoerebel -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (10/14/2011 10:05:24 PM)

"May 15, 1942

"Subs

"I-6 is attacked by a PC by"




Talk about combattus interruptus!



SuluSea -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (10/14/2011 10:09:40 PM)

Hi Cribtop, looking at your engines, have you thought about changing the Kayaba Argus engine R&D to something of use?



nashvillen -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (10/14/2011 10:10:25 PM)

I am guessing there was something domestic that caused the interruption.



Cribtop -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (10/14/2011 10:14:55 PM)

Indeed, gents. Got to come home early today but have to watch the now 5 month old daughter (can you believe it? seems like yesterday when she was born!) We had a little bit of a, err, toxic spill issue to address. [:D]



Cribtop -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (10/14/2011 10:23:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SuluSea

Hi Cribtop, looking at your engines, have you thought about changing the Kayaba Argus engine R&D to something of use?


I am now. [:D]



Cribtop -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (10/14/2011 10:26:40 PM)

Economy questions

1) Sulu or others, what should I change the Argus engine factory to produce? I have a big immediate need for Ha-33s, but think I have that covered once current expansion is complete.

2) Recall that we've captured the Chinese oil fields at Sian and Lanchow. These are not huge (21 and 90 Oil, respectively), but they are significant. Assuming this oil flows to Pt. Arthur, is it safe to ship a small quantity of oil to the Home Islands, or is this better left alone?

3) Not a question but a note. We now have 47 Helens in the pool and will soon upgrade an IJAAF bomber wing to the Helen.



Cribtop -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (10/14/2011 10:43:00 PM)

May 16, 1942

Go Rangers tomorrow! CF is a Tigers fan and we're enjoying this great ALCS immensely (me a little moreso as I'm pulling for Texas [:D]).

Subs

S-36 misses a DMS in a troop convoy bound for Java with support units. Our SCs mess with Triton yet again. Good training if nothing else. We may need to move in some DDs to deal with this menace and will definitely put some a/c on ASW out of Yokohama.

4th Fleet

No changes.

SE Fleet

Still moving to respond to CF's bombardment but all quiet so far. 2 more Naval Guards have arrived at Truk and will ship out to bases in Bougainville, which will be a major holdfast when the time comes.

14th Army

Tomorrow we unload a second regiment to dispatch Cebu. CD losses may be bigger than last time, but casualties are the price of victory.

16th Army

5 B-17s continue to bomb ground troops at Daly Waters, but tomorrow a brigade of 21st Division arrives here to secure the defense. We have a fourth armored regiment lurking in the rough desert to the west of Daly. Intention is to zip in behind the Allies if they push another force into the base. So far they are retreating all the way back to Tennant, but Cribtop HQ follows the Boy Scouts motto: "Be Prepared."

Oil and fuel are really moving out of Borneo nicely now under the watchful eye of organic TF escorts, 2 ASW TFs and 2 Lily groups. This is great news.

25th Army

Muntok occupied.

The drama of MTB-11. We have left Tandjoengpinang unconquered (although we are about to attend to it). MTB-11 was the sole survivor of a group of UK PTs that fled Hong Kong. After this epic journey, she put in at Tandj several weeks back. Yesterday she sortied towards Palembang before returning to base. That was enough for Cribtop HQ, so we detailed a Lily group to bomb the port. The first plane hit the brave little ship and obliterated her. I told CF via e-mail to make sure to have an MTB-11 entry along the lines of the final scene of Das Boot. [:D]

In all seriousness, today 4 small SNLFs unloaded at Kendari. They will load up and clean up the DEI as DBCL warriors. Occupied bases will be finished off by the 2 regiments currently at Cebu.

DA Sabang takes the base with 2:1 odds after dropping forts to 0. 5 LCUs retreat with casualties 1138(58) vs 388(1). This action frees up troops to finish a few pesky bases like Tandjoengpinang. More importantly, once we suppress Padang, it sets the necessary pre-conditions for Operation Raging Bull II. MKB is fully repaired, all air groups full, and ready to sortie. Banzai!

15th Army

Raging Bull II will include a visit to Calcutta as recon today shows only 9 fighters but 39 ships in port.

China

26th Division just dropped in behind the 2 KMT corps 1 hex SE (map) of Wuchang. We will shift our IJAAF bombers here while the 26th closes off the only green hex side, thus isolating another Chinese force. More deviously, a small armored car unit is angling to do the same thing to the much larger force "besieging" Wuchang itself. If we pull that off, CF is in real trouble on this front and will have to march to the rescue of his big Wuchang stack just as we are preparing to hit him in South China.



Cribtop -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (10/14/2011 11:40:39 PM)

May 17, 1942

Subs

RO-33 misses a DD just off Noumea and eats 1 penetrating DC hit in exchange. The enemy was an SCTF consisting of ANZAC CLs and several DDs.

4th Fleet

No change.

SE Fleet

Nells should arrive at Munda in 2 days. Various watchers are patrolling the waters near the extreme SE end of the Solomons.

14th Army

Cebu invaded by a second regiment today. 93% prep results in minimal casualties. We should be able to attack the base tomorrow or the next day.

16th Army

Babeldoab makes level 5 forts.

25th Army

BA Batavia shows raw AS of 1439 vs 616 and we still have 2 Divisions yet to arrive.

We will reconstitute MKB, Tanaka Force and the attending ASW TF. Time to hunt. Then we suspect MKB will hightail it to SE Fleet AO as the signs of an Allied build up there are increasing.

15th Army

We bomb Akyab and get 24% airfield damage. We doubt we can keep the base closed, but it doesn't hurt to try and it might tempt CF into fighting against our hordes of Oscars.

China

Canton makes level 5 forts.



Crackaces -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (10/15/2011 12:25:45 AM)

How badly hurt is RO-33? Will she make it back? What sort of flooding damage is a "penetrating hit"?



Cribtop -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (10/15/2011 4:25:59 AM)

Good question as it always varies. In this case she's about 20 Flot and 13 SYS with 3 ENG. About 80% chance she makes it home, IMHO.

What I mean by a penetrating hit is a "DDXX hits RO-33 message" as opposed to a "submarine takes on some water" result, which is still recorded as a "hit" in the combat report.



SuluSea -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (10/15/2011 12:41:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Cribtop

Economy questions

1) Sulu or others, what should I change the Argus engine factory to produce? I have a big immediate need for Ha-33s, but think I have that covered once current expansion is complete.


Here's an aircraft and engine screen I stiched together. I like the idea of switching it to Ha-45 R&D , see the many airframes that you'll be building that needs the engine.
[image]http://i55.tinypic.com/2r42wt2.jpg[/image]



ny59giants -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (10/15/2011 1:45:23 PM)

I agree with Sula Sea, go with the Ha-45. The George and Frank will form the bases for your fighter force going into mid-43 and beyond.



PaxMondo -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (10/15/2011 2:53:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Cribtop

Good question as it always varies. In this case she's about 20 Flot and 13 SYS with 3 ENG. About 80% chance she makes it home, IMHO.

What I mean by a penetrating hit is a "DDXX hits RO-33 message" as opposed to a "submarine takes on some water" result, which is still recorded as a "hit" in the combat report.

I always have pretty good luck with subs making it home at cruise speed. Captial ships? Yeah, not that lucky. I'd say more like 95% to make it home at cruise speed.



Cribtop -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (10/15/2011 5:56:11 PM)

Yep, I switch damaged subs to cruise speed and "sub transport" mission, just to prevent aggressive captains from taking a shot at something on the way home.

Sulu and nygiants, thanks. I will switch to Ha-45. That's a great chart, btw, Sulu. I wish I could get more on top of the economy, but Gary Grigsby thinks from the bottom up. It takes time for my "top-down" brain to get on top of things in this game. Hard to explain, but it makes a difference. It's why I always wanted a setup phase (impossible I know). If I could see a stack of every infantry unit for example, and put them somewhere, I'd never forget where they are. Starting with infantry units all over the map using the scheme of the real war leadership makes it hard for me to know where everything is unless I click every hex. I feel the same way about the economy - I'm learning it as I go because there's no easy way to process the information top down as a system. Such is life, I suppose.



Crackaces -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (10/15/2011 7:27:31 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cribtop

Good question as it always varies. In this case she's about 20 Flot and 13 SYS with 3 ENG. About 80% chance she makes it home, IMHO.

What I mean by a penetrating hit is a "DDXX hits RO-33 message" as opposed to a "submarine takes on some water" result, which is still recorded as a "hit" in the combat report.


Ok .. There is are "Penatrating Hit" and "Hull Penetrated" along with "submarine takes on some water" I smacked I-6 off the coast of Oz and got these messages only to see her patroling in the Pacific 4 months later .. I have another sub I put 6 hits into a sub all "critical" "heavy damage" and the sub shows sunk .. but I await to see this sub again somewhere [;)]

Ok thanks again for the info . I will let the thread get back to the economy ..



Cribtop -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (10/15/2011 8:32:44 PM)

May 18, 1942

No worries, Crackaces. Terminology is important to OCD types like me. [:D]

Subs

Allied a/c harass RO-34 near Sydney, but no hits.

4th Fleet

No change.

SE Fleet

We drop mines at Tulagi while South Seas Fleet hovers near Ontong and the 2 AMCs watch the approaches to the Solomons. Nells will arrive at Munda tomorrow as planned.

CF sends 11 B-17s to bomb our poor troops at Horn Island. No damage, but they feel picked upon. [;)]

14th Army

DA at Cebu in 48 hours. We're letting FAT clear off the 2nd regiment first.

16th Army

5 B-17s bomb tanks at Daly Waters.

25th Army

Almost ready to assault Batavia. Lilys bomb Padang to try to supress search planes sighted at the base. We also put a few PBs in the Malacca Strait to test whether CF has search arcs up. Tomorrow we will divert the entire Palembang bomber wing to Padang for this purpose as Batavia's airfield is at 100% damage.

15th Army

The sky darkens with Oscars today over both Imphal and Akyab as well over one hundred machines sweep the bases. This ends up being just a glorified training opportunity as CF has no CAP at either base. We again bomb Akyab's airfield with decent results.

The former South Seas Detachment arrives in Schwebo. Now we can re-assemble 55th Division.

China

SA 84, 40 (NE - map - of Sian) retreats a shattered corps with 31:1 odds, casualties 446(34) vs nil.

We have almost closed the gate on the 2 corps SE (map) of Wuchang. IJAAF bombers hit these troops daily now to ensure they cannot march fast enough to escape.

5th Fleet

A Glen spots a juicy AP at Umnak Island just as the CVE Raiders and 5th Fleet (2 BBs, 3 CL, 6 DD) approach. Hopefully we'll catch CF unloading here tomorrow. Meanwhile, reinforcements unload to bolster the defenses of both the Kuriles and Aluetians.



Cribtop -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (10/16/2011 5:03:58 AM)

OK, orders off to CF tonight as my Rangers beat his valiant Tigers. Nelson Cruz sets a 7 game series playoff record with 6 homers and 13 RBI. The home run record he bested was set by Reggie Jackson in the 70s. Wow.

We switched the Argus engines to Ha-45 R&D.

In 5th Fleet AO, the CVE Raiders will be in position to hit shipping at Umnak, while 5th Fleet itself will be posted 4 hexes out and ready to bombard the base.

Nells reach Munda Point and now the waters near the Santa Cruz Islands are swept morning and afternoon by IJNAF LBA. Woe betide the Allied bombardment TF that tries to set up for a run to Tulagi now. [sm=00000003.gif] Recall that DD Gridley may be headed back for another bite at the apple. If so, we hope to make CF's next AAR entry very interesting indeed! [sm=00000612.gif]

DDs and CV Hiyo are loitering at Kure awaiting the arrival of super-battleship Yamato, which will be ready for service in 2 days. Banzai!



Cribtop -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (10/16/2011 7:45:27 PM)

May 19, 1942

Operation Winter Lotus blossoms in deadly flower today to celebrate the arrival of BB Yamato. Banzai! [&o]

Subs

RO-66 misses a DD just off Suva and eats a DC for her trouble. She's limping home at 54 FLOT. Her target was the same SCTF that recently bombarded Tulagi. Whether they are shipping out to hit Tulagi again or transferring further East is unknown (although their course would indicate the latter).

Operating off Tokyo, Triton misses a DD in a troop convoy bound for Truk. Return DCs explode above the deep diving sub. Great attention to detail as I recall the IJN max dept settings were too shallow IRL (until some Congressman bragged about it in the papers and tipped them off [:-]). I'm sure both CF and I will lament the tendency for subs to fire on DDs. RO-66 could've shot at a CA while Triton had full troopships in her sights.

Tambor duds on AMC Kongo Maru SE of the Solomons. Now CF knows I'm watching these waters. We'll see what develops.

4th Fleet

No change.

SE Fleet

We may pull out the AMCs soon as Nells are covering the approaches to the Solomons now. A re-supply mission unloads at Tulagi and will probably pull off 2 construction engineer units because forts are pretty high now and the neighborhood's getting a little dicey. They would move up the chain to help develop Munda and Bougainville.

B-17s visit Horn Island again.

14th Army

No change.

16th Army

B-17s bomb Daly. A DMS sweeps mines at Soerabaja to bring that base into operation.

25th Army

MKB is at Singers. No detection on our stalking horse PBs in the Malacca Strait, so we are green lighting Operation Raging Bull II. Banzai!

15th Army

We thought CF may try to ambush our bombers at Akyab after recent attacks there, so today we stand down the mediums and sweep the base. No CAP, though.

China

1 day away from isolating the 2 Corps SE of Wuchang.

5th Fleet

Sometimes you just get lucky. Operation Winter Lotus happens to come at the perfect time, as today we catch a convoy unloading at Umnak Island with the CVE Raiders. Bomb after bomb strikes home (the torps miss) on some truly juicy targets that have no air defenses.

Sinking condition: AP U.S. Grant, APD Brooks, DD Hull, xAK Virginian.

Damaged by 3 bombs: AP Zeilin

Banzai! Banzai! Banzai! [&o][&o]

The APs are precious and great targets to nail, the APD ain't shabby either. Only downside is there were no troops aboard.

Worse for CF, we have two I-boats in position in case he runs, will have the Raiders stick around, and have the bulk of 5th Fleet unspotted 4 hexes away about to make a bombardment run. Hopefully he disbands Zeilin at Umnak and we nail her with the BBs. So yummy!

Other

BB Yamato arrives. She will sail for the front in company with CV Hiyo.



ny59giants -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (10/16/2011 8:18:44 PM)

Any of the true "APs" are great to sink as they convert/upgrade to APA in early 43. Some of the "xAPs" convert/upgrade to "APs." As an Allied player, I can afford to lose many of the xAPs, as long as they are not the big fast ones.



Cribtop -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (10/16/2011 8:20:22 PM)

Yep, these were the big boys that convert. Tasty.



ny59giants -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (10/16/2011 8:39:43 PM)

Biting my nails while watching my NY Giants here.

http://www.firstrowsports.tv/watch/86455/1/watch-new-york-giants-vs-buffalo-bills.html

NFL Ticket on DirecTV has gotten too expansive. Its not great, but I can enjoy most of the game this way. Next, to watch your Cowgirls lose. [:D]



Cribtop -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (10/16/2011 10:29:42 PM)

Yeah, Romo starts the game off with an INT. Joy. At least Bryant looks healthy again.

A few notes.

1) Forgot to mention that Alor got occupied last turn.

2) I finally asked Cuttlefish why the Dutch air force never sortied in defense of Java (recall I posted several entries wondering why they sat on their fields and died). He replied that on 2 or 3 occasions he tried to pulse them against our forces (I assume mostly against the invasion of Java) but that they never flew and then died under Japanese air and ground attack. Mystery solved.



Crackaces -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (10/16/2011 10:47:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Cribtop

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2) I finally asked Cuttlefish why the Dutch air force never sortied in defense of Java (recall I posted several entries wondering why they sat on their fields and died). He replied that on 2 or 3 occasions he tried to pulse them against our forces (I assume mostly against the invasion of Java) but that they never flew and then died under Japanese air and ground attack. Mystery solved.


I first discovered the difference between the IJAAF and the Dutch forces when I asked them "pretty please" to attack an unescorted convoy .. they refused .. then when a SCTF with lots of AA showed up . they tried valiantly to attack .. [8|] .. Its a crap shoot with those boys ..



Cribtop -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (10/17/2011 5:49:10 PM)

May 20, 1942

Subs

Cuttlefish e-mailed and said to ask him sometime after the game about the saga of the Warspite. The irony is palpable as today I-28 torpedoes the BB just a few hexes off Colombo after earlier dodging an ASW attack from what appeared to be an escorting DD. The hit doesn't look spectacular based on the combat report, but it means MKB is almost certain to find at least one BB when we visit Colombo.

An ASW TF DCs RO-34 off Sydney. Very little action on the East coast of Oz compared to Suva and Tahiti, which is useful intel.

4th Fleet, SE Fleet

No change.

14th Army

DA Cebu takes the base with 2:1 odds and forces 2 LCUs to surrender at last. A total of 547 squads destroyed in those units. The rest of the Central PI is lightly held and should fall quickly now.

16th Army

Shipping support units to NW Oz and the Timor line while the first of several DBCL TFs will begin cleaning up the islands east of Timor.

25th Army

Can't re-combine 56th Division because one unit upgraded its ATGs. We'll upgrade the other two and combine ASAP, but it looks like we may have to assault Batavia as is.

Padang hammered by a full bomber wing just to keep the enemy's head down. MKB is at Singers today and re-fueled. We sortie tomorrow for the Bay of Bengal.

15th Army

Sweeps and bombings of Akyab find no one home. CF's air force is at Dacca and Calcutta per recon.

China

We close the door on the two corps SE of Wuchang. Now we are working on the larger stack at Wuchang itself. We are going to try to rocket a small armored car unit around the road net near Changsha faster than CF can react.

5th Fleet

The 5th Fleet combat TF bombards Umnak Island today and squashes it. Lots of Catalinas destroyed and the rest damaged, 27 squads destroyed, the airfield wrecked.

Unfortunately, the shells spare the port, where CF hid the 2 survivors of yesterday's air attack plus a seaplane tender. The big guns will fall back while the CVE Raiders juke into the Bering Sea on Nav Attack/Port Attack to finish the job before retiring. No sign of danger from our picket ships.



crsutton -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (10/17/2011 8:35:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Crackaces


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ORIGINAL: Cribtop

Good question as it always varies. In this case she's about 20 Flot and 13 SYS with 3 ENG. About 80% chance she makes it home, IMHO.

What I mean by a penetrating hit is a "DDXX hits RO-33 message" as opposed to a "submarine takes on some water" result, which is still recorded as a "hit" in the combat report.


Ok .. There is are "Penatrating Hit" and "Hull Penetrated" along with "submarine takes on some water" I smacked I-6 off the coast of Oz and got these messages only to see her patroling in the Pacific 4 months later .. I have another sub I put 6 hits into a sub all "critical" "heavy damage" and the sub shows sunk .. but I await to see this sub again somewhere [;)]

Ok thanks again for the info . I will let the thread get back to the economy ..



My rule of thumb. Two solid penetrating hits will only rarely sink any Allied fleet boat. Three solid hits and the boat is pretty much done for. One penetration hit will sink a smaller Japanese sub (RO type) about 50% of the time. (other lesser hits help) and two penetrating hits seem to sink a larger IJN fleet sub about 50% of the time. I have never seen a Japanese sub of any type take three full pentrating hits and survive. You can pretty much check if off your "bucket list" if that happens.

There are a lot of other factors such as the type of DC. Later Allied DC get bigger and deadlier so results will improve. I have seen one from the big Mk 7 (7L?) types DC drive a Japanese fleet boat to the surface.

With all subs, especially Japanese the distance from a safe base is a big factor as well.

It is also strange that when you drive a crippled IJN sub to the surface, about 80% of the time that sub, no matter how plastered, will launch torpedoes at the attacking ships-sometimes in multiple salvos. I have actually lost two Allied DDs this way.



Crackaces -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (10/17/2011 8:44:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: crsutton

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ORIGINAL: Crackaces


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ORIGINAL: Cribtop

Good question as it always varies. In this case she's about 20 Flot and 13 SYS with 3 ENG. About 80% chance she makes it home, IMHO.

What I mean by a penetrating hit is a "DDXX hits RO-33 message" as opposed to a "submarine takes on some water" result, which is still recorded as a "hit" in the combat report.


Ok .. There is are "Penatrating Hit" and "Hull Penetrated" along with "submarine takes on some water" I smacked I-6 off the coast of Oz and got these messages only to see her patroling in the Pacific 4 months later .. I have another sub I put 6 hits into a sub all "critical" "heavy damage" and the sub shows sunk .. but I await to see this sub again somewhere [;)]

Ok thanks again for the info . I will let the thread get back to the economy ..



My rule of thumb. Two solid penetrating hits will only rarely sink any Allied fleet boat. Three solid hits and the boat is pretty much done for. One penetration hit will sink a smaller Japanese sub (RO type) about 50% of the time. (other lesser hits help) and two penetrating hits seem to sink a larger IJN fleet sub about 50% of the time. I have never seen a Japanese sub of any type take three full pentrating hits and survive. You can pretty much check if off your "bucket list" if that happens.

There are a lot of other factors such as the type of DC. Later Allied DC get bigger and deadlier so results will improve. I have seen one from the big Mk 7 (7L?) types DC drive a Japanese fleet boat to the surface.

With all subs, especially Japanese the distance from a safe base is a big factor as well.

It is also strange that when you drive a crippled IJN sub to the surface, about 80% of the time that sub, no matter how plastered, will launch torpedoes at the attacking ships-sometimes in multiple salvos. I have actually lost two Allied DDs this way.


I have yet to experience the surface torp attack yet .. [:'(]

The past two ASW attacks got "Fires Below Decks" message and then "lost contact" I am assuming these are connected as a fire on a sub is one's worst nightmare.

I sure am hoping your right because I put 6 critical hits into I-6 .. [;)]

Ok .. back to CT smashing poor Cuttlefish ....Bad IJ .. Bad Bad IJ ..[:-] <BIG BIG SMILE>



Cribtop -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (10/19/2011 4:58:15 PM)

May 21, 1942

Subs

No contacts, but hordes of IJ subs are stealthily approaching Colombo for Raging Bull II.

4th Fleet

We are using a slow CS at Saipan to slowly upgrade Jake units from 6 or 8 planes to 20 planes. Currently Wake's Jakes (there's a movie title there) have increased in size and are flying back to Wake Via Truk and Eniewetok.

SE Fleet

Almost finished re-supplying Tulagi. Not a peep of enemy activity from Nells or AMCs watching the approaches to the Solomons. Perhaps the Tulagi bombardment was a solo thing.

14th Army

We will soon load up our Cebu regiments to finish off defended outposts in the DEI like Pamakasan.

16th Army

The enemy raid on Daly today consists of a single B-17. Seems like CF's air group is getting exhausted here. Daly's forts go up to 2 today and will continue to improve protection from these raids as they build.

Bathurst Island occupied. DBCL troops invade Kaimana.

25th Army

Soerabaja's harbor is cleared of mines and open for business. 56th Division is able to be re-formed after all as the 2 regiments quickly upgrade to 47mm ATGs. BA Batavia inflicts 164(6) casualties on the Dutch. With 56th and 38th Divisions only a few days out, Batavia will fall quickly, freeing up lots of troops.

Padang is hammered by IJAAF bombers, with 77% damage and numerous planes disabled. This allows MKB to sail by today en route to mayhem (we hope).

AA units and more base forces are loading at Singers for deployment to Burma via Rangoon.

15th Army

Weather scrubs mass sweeps of Imphal. We'll try again tomorrow.

Bangkok's airfield makes level 5.

China

We are strangling Sining by posting armored units at key road points to ensure supplies don't arrive from China's far west (true). Today base forces arrive at Sian to allow commencement of a bombing campaign. Finally, the recent victories near Sian free up 2 Brigades, which in turn frees up a second division to attack Sining.

Elsewhere, more and more troops are quietly moving south for Operation Red Dragon.

5th Fleet

We port attack Umnak today with the CVE Raiders and put 2 bombs into the AVD based there. Two separate sinking sounds are heard today, surely the survivors of our recent raid (although we doubt we got Zeilin, which is a shame).

All elements of Operation Winter Lotus will RV at Attu Island, refuel off the AMCs, and retire to Ominato.




Mike Solli -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (10/19/2011 7:07:43 PM)

Are you planning on upgrading Bangkok's airfield to level 7? That's the perfect base for upgrading/rebuilding Burma's air units. There never seems to be enough supply in any of Burma's bases to do much of anything.



Cribtop -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (10/20/2011 12:02:59 AM)

Bingo, Mike. This is one of those fields I like to take to level 7 to allow air group upgrades.



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