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Encircled -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/28/2011 10:37:06 PM)

Just got my first Guard Division of Turn 15 of my PBEM game

Just in time for it to get encircled (along with most of my best units) in a rather large pocket around Leningrad



TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/28/2011 11:30:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cookie monster

I think you have him out numbered![:D]

I haven't been in the AAR's much lately, I've moved onto the game Distant Worlds.

I was wondering why your AAR is 3 times bigger than 2nd ACR's?

Then I noticed the handbags being thrown around, and general cat-fighting.

Nice work, love the lack of seriousness.

My favourites were ''This is Leningrad'', and ''Surely the Astronauts can see my Leningrad buildup''.


Well, let's not forget a German soldier is perhaps worth 3 Soviet soldiers during the Blitzkrieg [:D] I'm possibly exagerating a lot and thus wasting resources but I want to make sure catastrophes will not occur.

And yes, just like on my other AAR seriousness is absolutely forbidden.

Never tried sci-fi games. And I love this genre. Hmm...

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ORIGINAL: Encircled

Just got my first Guard Division of Turn 15 of my PBEM game

Just in time for it to get encircled (along with most of my best units) in a rather large pocket around Leningrad


LOL that's some bad luck [:)] Well, during the blizzard you (or any Soviet player) should be harvesting many Guards units [sm=00000622.gif]



Aurelian -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/29/2011 2:37:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Reconvet


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ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus
On this AAR you should ONLY criticize ME [:D] I clearly said it on the first messages of this AAR: harsh criticism is welcome. It's still true. So feel free to say whatever you want but don't forget 2ndACR can't reply here. Fair play [:)]


I just hope you're happy with what you get in this game and do wish you get as far as I'd want to as soviet player.

As posted above: I had an axis opponent vanish without comment a short time ago under comparable circumstances. My Apologies if my venting of my concerns went too far. It reflects my desire to be able to learn more for quite some time in this great AAR.




My dear boy:

I hate to break it to you, but the topic is TD's fun to read AAR. It's obviously beyond your comprehension, but the place for your ANALysis of ACR's play is in his thread. Not in a thread that he will not read until the game is over.

Judging by your behavior to the criticism launched at your craven actions, you don't take it very well. Which leads me to the conclusion that you will not like your play subjected to criticism. Because unlike you, I will put it *your* thread. And will criticize *everything*. Should I decide to waste the time to even read it.



Aurelian -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/29/2011 2:38:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus

Gentlemen, you can't fight in here. This is the War Room [:)]

Reconvert, sorry but you are wrong, I am having a lot of fun with this game [8D] Overall, I suspect it's going to be a rather historical Blitzkrieg. He is not very close to Moscow, true, but he still has 3 turns to do that.

After all maybe the Germans are NOT Supermen during the summer. I never believed this thing but of course there is always a small doubt. On most of the AARs Leningrad and Moscow are falling. But are the Soviet players REALLY defending these places? And yes, I am thinking about a MASSIVE defence (both cities deserve a SUPREME effort if threatened, in my opinion). And to be honest, I haven't seen this "supreme effort" [:)]

In other words, I think the German war machine can be stopped. But then I might play versus PeeDeeAitch or Q-Ball --excellent Axis players-- and lose Leningrad and Moscow. So who knows! [:)]


I lost the former, and was about to lose the latter, to PDH. And he also plays for fun.



TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/29/2011 3:36:57 AM)

PDH has to be an impressive opponent, methinks. But did you finally lose or not? [:)]

And what's "losing" exactly? Leningrad and Moscow captured? What about the blizzard? In theory it's payback time.



PeeDeeAitch -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/29/2011 3:47:05 AM)

I called it a draw.  [:)]

I asked to not go to the bitter end and Aurelian accepted, end of story.



Aurelian -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/29/2011 3:48:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PeeDeeAitch

I called it a draw.  [:)]

I asked to not go to the bitter end and Aurelian accepted, end of story.


It was fun though.



TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/29/2011 10:06:28 PM)

Ok, the Western Front. The situation here is a miasma of sh**! Very chaotic [8|] I have sent forces in the path of enemy panzers. I might hold Smolensk until turn 18, who knows [:)]

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TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/29/2011 10:09:52 PM)

In the Southwest I have concentrated some forces around Voronezh, to make sure I evacuate all the industry [:)] I also cut some enemy units off (that should slow them down a little bit).

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TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/29/2011 10:12:22 PM)

More in the south, I only need to evacuate the armaments industry in Stalino. On next turn, I guess.

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TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/29/2011 10:14:43 PM)

The South and Crimea.

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Klydon -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/29/2011 10:32:03 PM)

I don't know that I would have tossed 3 cav divisions away at this stage to put two German units out of supply in such a fashion (ok, I know I would not have done it). If they were infantry, do it all day long, but not cav. You are going to miss them when you can form up cav corps in December. IMO, a Russian should be conserving as much cav as they can, unless they can cause some really meaningful damage with it or if the situation is critical someplace. Moves in the north fall under that category to a point, but not in the south this turn. It may not matter much in the long run in this game, but still.

Also, reminder that mountain divisions never come back. Not a huge deal, but the unit in D-town should have been maybe a infantry unit rather than a mountain unit.

Overall, looks like things are getting in better shape in the South.



TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/29/2011 10:36:33 PM)

Ah, cavalry don't come back for free (until november)? I thought they did, like rifle divisions. Even if they don't, hmm, I think I don't care [sm=00000622.gif] I always can buy cavalry units. I use a short term strategy on the first 17 turns: I must survive, that's my big objective.



TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/29/2011 10:41:13 PM)

You're right about the mountain division in Dneprowhatever. I forgot to send infantry [:(]



Klydon -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/29/2011 10:48:36 PM)

The cav will come back, but there is a delay and a good chance they won't be available right at the start of December for conversion to corps.

I don't think there is any doubt you will survive in good shape now although he has some pushing left to do in the south, but then you don't appear to mind trading space for time down there anyway. He may get some other gains elsewhere on the front, but your objectives of keeping Leningrad and Moscow safe appear to be well in hand and that was what I was thinking when I made the comment about "wasting" the cav.

It is all good and just my opinion. I am sure most Russians are not as stingy with non infantry as I am. [:D]



TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/29/2011 11:02:19 PM)

Yes, cutting off these miserable units (1 infantry + 1 panzer) was possibly idiotic. But the truth is the enemies are approaching to 3 places where there is still industry: Voronezh, Tula and Stalino. I want to make sure everything is evacuated. So that's why I have sacrificed these guys. In vain? I don't know that yet [:)]



TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/30/2011 9:25:04 PM)

Turn 15

25 september 1941


HA HA HA! 2 more turns and Blitzkrieg is almost over! [sm=Evil-210.gif]

This turn has delivered me an outright provocation! [sm=00000622.gif] As Q-Ball said 2ndACR might be reckless with his panzers -though he ALWAYS manages to save them when cut off... so far... But one thing is certain: he is bold!

In a nutshell, he's advanced towards Stalino... an advance that I will be obviously cutting off. AND I will bring some hordes to see if I can annihilate one panzer division.

This means I am going to reread first the rules concerning movement! [X(] I really don't know them yet and therefore cannot calculate the distance covered by panzers! Enough is enough, I am going to carefully learn all this (along with the fuel soft factor thing): different terrain + zoc + attack... to see if his 7th Cavalry might help the panzer division I want to literally massacre [8D]

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TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/30/2011 10:29:08 PM)

In the north, nothing has changed. I think he is not going to advance towards Leningrad.

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TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/30/2011 10:31:25 PM)

I don't think he is going to advance towards Moscow either (at least from here).

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TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/30/2011 10:35:40 PM)

He hasn't cleared his rear behind the Kalinin Front. My guys keep creating a mess and of course cutting German throats [8D] Oh, and 2 enemy HQs ran away (they were in VL).

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TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/30/2011 10:40:30 PM)

I am weakening the front west of Smolensk. I am diverting forces to meet the Panzers in the center [sm=Evil-210.gif]

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Encircled -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/30/2011 10:49:28 PM)

It all depends on the strength, supply and fuel state of those Panzers.

You'd have to cut him off this turn, hold out against a counter attack, and then destroy it next turn, otherwise it will just rout.

Don't get me wrong, routing is good, but destroyed is better!

Do you have the strength in the area to manage that?



TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/30/2011 10:50:16 PM)

To stop the Panzers in the center I have obviously applied my axiom: concentrate the forces around them [8D]

But I am going to try a new type of defence: no carpet, two defensive lines. The 1st Guards Division is the reserve of 21st Army.

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TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/30/2011 10:57:13 PM)

Same thing if they want to advance towards Moscow or Tula.

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TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/30/2011 10:59:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Encircled

It all depends on the strength, supply and fuel state of those Panzers.

You'd have to cut him off this turn, hold out against a counter attack, and then destroy it next turn, otherwise it will just rout.

Don't get me wrong, routing is good, but destroyed is better!

Do you have the strength in the area to manage that?


I am going to bring quite many units [sm=00000622.gif]

I know "destroyed is better". On my other AAR I annihilated the 100% of the AGN panzers. And yes, quite funny [8D] I think he will manage to save his forces. He's been very competent if we talk about this. Isolated yes, destroyed, I don't think so [:)]



TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/31/2011 12:47:44 AM)

Ok, done. Alea Iacta Est [8D]

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TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/31/2011 12:54:20 AM)

And Crimea aka Sevastopol. Will we resist like in the real war? I doubt it [:)] I assigned 3 AA units to the Coastal Army HQ.

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TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/31/2011 10:21:53 PM)

Turn 16

2 october 1941


AGGHHHH!!! I told you I should reread the manual! The case is I surrounded the panzer division I wanted to massacre then attacked but it was routed, it did not surrender... Looks like the units MUST be already surrounded at the start of the turn!!! [sm=00000612.gif] Looks like I didn't know this! [:D]



TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/31/2011 10:26:54 PM)

Now yes, I think I can oficially say Leningrad is 100% safe [:)]

Four enemy attacks. All of them were of course repulsed! [sm=00000055.gif]

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TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/31/2011 10:32:33 PM)

Near the Lake Ilmen, his panzers were harmless after all. Apparently he only wanted to swallow some of my units, I very much suspect.

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