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The problem is that ultimately, regardless of whether you are a Boskaran military dictatorship or a supposedly peaceful Teekan democracy, there is ONLY one way to win: War. Because every victory condition revolves around controlling a certain portion of the map

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The biggest problem with DW is the fact it's so supper dupper mega uber great that players just can't wait to get their grubby paws/hands/insect appendages/tails/whatever on the next update, and so start posting 50 topics about the supposed next update.

There, that's the major problem of this game, it's so freakin' unheard of epic that you just have to have the next update by sunset or else....

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At moment i lead with 22% the expansion goal, population i am at 4 place.

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ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

Also, there are actually two new victory conditions in ROTS. You can either unite to try to defeat the Shakturi, which depending on your race can mean that you need to build up serious military might or help the other AI empires by giving them economic or technological aid, or you can join with the Shakturi and help them defeat the Ancient Guardians. Both have worked for me without playing Humans.

Regards,

- Erik

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Look, just look at the victory conditions you've set up. You're playing a ten empire game? That's an average 10/10/10 slice for each empire, take or give. There's no way anybody is going to hit 50 without taking territory from neighbours through conquest.

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ORIGINAL: Apheirox

While there are things like the AI sometimes leaving much to be desired (something the developers are clearly aware of and are working to improve, it seems) there is one issue that trumphs them all: The victory conditions.

The problem is that ultimately, regardless of whether you are a Boskaran military dictatorship or a supposedly peaceful Teekan democracy, there is ONLY one way to win: War. Because every victory condition revolves around controlling a certain portion of the map (population, colonies and GDP do ALL translate into pure map control - there is no difference whatsoever), the sole way to win is to conquer territory. Ultimately, there is no option for a peaceful victory. This is where DW is ultimately lacking compared to games like Civilization (diplomatic, cultural and scientific victory conditions) and, as an even better example, Armada 2526's wide variety of victory condtions.

Granted, with the RotS expansion, a new 'victory condition' was introduced: Defeat the Shakturi. However, IMHO the Shakturi are badly implemented and the expansion is as such unfortunately a failure in this regard (albeit it introduces a host of very welcome features, like the new GUI and the research tree). The reason I say so is the fact that the Shakturi are ridiculously powerful compared to anyone else. What was clearly meant to happen, then, is for the whole galaxy to gang up on them to stand a chance, but because the AI doesn't 'understand' this the Shakturi slowly but surely burn down each and every AI empire - only the human-controlled one can provide any sort of serious resistance. In other words, the Shakturi 'victory condition' is, well, bugged.

What DW really needs is an expansion pack that seriously steals the great ideas from Armada 2526 and introduces unique victory conditions for each race. The Teekans, for example, score 'victory points' by having a strong economy (but none of this '% of galaxy nonsense'). The Wekkarus can win by mining resources. Zenox score by researching technology. Boskara score both through military conquest AND genocidal bombardments of alien populations. Gizureans are geared towards controlling many colonies. etc etc etc - I think you get it.

Unless such changes are made, DW is, regardless of how refined and complex it is in many areas, nothing more than one big deathmatch blob. Republic or despotism - it doesn't really matter, the objective is always to win wars.

Please Armadadize the game!

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ORIGINAL: Canute

Maybe you should reread the 1.posting. it was the Question to win without War.

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ORIGINAL: colberki

I am new to DS and just playing my second attempt at the game as Human Republic. So far around year 2780 no wars and we are biggest empire by territory and have the strongest military. Economy is lagging several if the AI which I am now focusing on catching up I like being able to play as such without fighting endless wars. Or is that coming later? My one fleet is having fun swatting pirates. [:)]

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ORIGINAL: rekm41

I have experienced that as well, so what he is asking for is a slower speed setting. That should be able to be modded no?

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ORIGINAL: rekm41

LOL yes. But it does move by pretty quickly at times. Would be nice if it still ran when you were accessing some of the info screens though.