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Tarhunnas -> RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) (1/29/2012 7:15:07 AM)

Turn 206. May 24 1945.

Ah that felt good! [sm=00000436.gif] A penetrating Soviet tank corps get what he deserves! A Soviet surrender in 1945, that is soo nice!

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Tarhunnas -> RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) (1/29/2012 7:38:31 AM)

Army Group North are almost back where they started... Map after German moves.



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Tarhunnas -> RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) (1/29/2012 6:49:02 PM)

Turn 107. May 31 1945.

Mud all over the front. [:)]  Nothing much happning.



Tarhunnas -> RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) (1/29/2012 9:30:08 PM)

Turn 208. June 6 1945.

These numbers are from the start of my turn. Looking at the losses from the Soviet turn, it seems too good to be true, but I suppose the numbers include attrition. I never know whether to trust this diplay or not.

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Tarhunnas -> RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) (1/29/2012 9:31:24 PM)

Northern Ukraine. I am continuing to pull back now that the mud is over.

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Q-Ball -> RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) (1/30/2012 12:11:20 AM)

Nice job....I think you won this game a long time ago, but I think you will get a minor victory; that's still alot of ground to cover in 4 months.

The other winners here are the virtual citizens of Eastern Europe



Xxzard -> RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) (1/30/2012 12:23:25 AM)

If we cared about the virtual citizens of Eastern Europe, we probably wouldn't wage war across their lands. That's just rude! [:D]

Lucky us, they are indeed only virtual.

And to add some substance to this post: I have followed the AAR for a long time. My main impression in the past weeks has been how rapidly it seemed you got to 1945. I actually tried to find some error in timekeeping within the thread because I thought it was still 44. Your positions turned out to be pretty well prepared for the Soviet onslaught and you have made few mistakes. Add to that a rather good start and you are doing pretty well. Although nothing can really be gained in these last few months, you might as well play it out, for the benefit of your opponent and the forumites.



Tarhunnas -> RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) (1/30/2012 5:54:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Xxzard
And to add some substance to this post: I have followed the AAR for a long time. My main impression in the past weeks has been how rapidly it seemed you got to 1945. I actually tried to find some error in timekeeping within the thread because I thought it was still 44. Your positions turned out to be pretty well prepared for the Soviet onslaught and you have made few mistakes. Add to that a rather good start and you are doing pretty well. Although nothing can really be gained in these last few months, you might as well play it out, for the benefit of your opponent and the forumites.


I think it will give the developers the first completed 1941-45 campaign in a public AAR. And me and Gids will be the first ones to do it. I will sure play it out! [8D]



Tarhunnas -> RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) (1/30/2012 5:57:25 PM)

Turn 209. June 14 1945.

The Soviets are out of the Mud (just barely in Byelorussia), and here they come! A surprisingly mild offensive in Northern Ukraine/Southern Poland. The big pushes are in Byelorussia and in the North. Has Ivan regrouped during mud?

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Tarhunnas -> RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) (1/30/2012 7:19:39 PM)

The Soviet advance in the Northern Hungarian plain forces me to pull back in the Carpathians. I don't want to get cut off down there, and that area is a long, long way from Berlin, so not really essential.

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gingerbread -> RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) (1/30/2012 7:55:04 PM)

I don't see an Elite SS Division in Budapest. Is it hidden?



Tarhunnas -> RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) (1/30/2012 8:58:28 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: gingerbread

I don't see an Elite SS Division in Budapest. Is it hidden?


You mean so the Hungarians won't give up? Eh... I forgot about that... Not all that many Hungarians left though...



Tarhunnas -> RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) (1/31/2012 6:25:01 PM)

Turn 210. June 21 1945.

Overview of the front. Note the somewhat discomfiting Soviet advance in the Northern Hungarian plain. Withdrawals are the order of the day. At two hexes per turn, Berlin will just be held.

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Q-Ball -> RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) (1/31/2012 7:05:33 PM)

I would pull everyone out of Romania; there is no point to holding that, not while the Soviets are approaching the Danube.

I see you have a garrison in Budapest now, to encourage the Hungarians to stay with the cause......necessary, now that Nyreghausa or whatever that town is has fallen

I would pull everyone down there back on the Danube now




Tarhunnas -> RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) (1/31/2012 8:02:37 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

I would pull everyone out of Romania; there is no point to holding that, not while the Soviets are approaching the Danube.



If you ask the Hungarians, it's not Romania, it's Hungary [;)] But yeah, a great pullback down there is in the works.



Tarhunnas -> RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) (1/31/2012 8:34:37 PM)

Turn 211. June 28 1945.

The hero 291st Infantry Division beats back three Soviet assaults (with some help from the SS-reserves).

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Tarhunnas -> RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) (1/31/2012 8:38:15 PM)

In Hungary the retreat from Trasylvania has turned into a scramble to regroup units to contain the Soviet breakthrough in the North. A couple of Soviet units are surrounded and a tank corps routed west of Nyiregyhasa.

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Edit: Spelling of Nyiregyhasa. [:D]



Tarhunnas -> RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) (2/1/2012 5:51:28 PM)

Turn 212. July 5 1945.

Nothing dramatic happening. Here is a shot of production. The manpower pool is rising again...

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Q-Ball -> RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) (2/1/2012 6:14:21 PM)

Did you disband Artillery units? I would keep doing that, see if it helps.

What did you do with all the "Shell" divisions you got in 1945, that basically sprang out of the Fuhrer's mind?

I am thinking of Panzer Division Tatra and friends, plus all the static ones.

The Reich really went nuts with Division creation those last couple months of the real war......



Tarhunnas -> RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) (2/1/2012 6:28:25 PM)

Turn 213. July 12 1945.

A storm of angry Russians hit Army Group North!

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Tarhunnas -> RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) (2/1/2012 6:31:12 PM)

Map after German moves. Again, withdrawals are made in exposed sectors to keep down the possibility of Soviet deliberate atacks and breakthroughs. This tactic seems to keep down my losses. And I can afford to give the ground. There are about 35 hexes from the front to Berlin, and at 2 hexes per turn and 16 turns left I should make it! [&o]

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Flaviusx -> RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) (2/1/2012 6:34:14 PM)

It's already July? Geeze, you've got a draw for sure, I don't see how he can get to Berlin in time. Not that I really count all this extra innings stuff after May. In my own mind, the war already ended with the US and Britain occupying Germany.

Seriously, though, perhaps the game length needs to be cut down by a few months. I feel very uncomfortable with stretching it out this long, the OBs and production go out the window, and the assumption that nothing offmap matters also becomes very shaky.




Tarhunnas -> RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) (2/1/2012 8:40:11 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Flaviusx

Seriously, though, perhaps the game length needs to be cut down by a few months. I feel very uncomfortable with stretching it out this long, the OBs and production go out the window, and the assumption that nothing offmap matters also becomes very shaky.



I agree on that, I had the same thought! July or so should be enough.



Tarhunnas -> RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) (2/1/2012 8:42:34 PM)

Turn 214. July 19 1945.

Warsaw has fallen this turn, otherwise nothing dramatic happening. Here is a shot of losses, showing losses from the preceeding Soviet turn. About 2-1 in men, not good but I can live with it. In artillery and tanks it hurts more.

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Q-Ball -> RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) (2/1/2012 8:57:45 PM)

If the war actually ran until July, the SS Division count would be somewhere in the 40s by now..........and there would be an additional 30 Panzer divisions in the reinforcement queue. Each with 1 tank!




Michael T -> RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) (2/1/2012 9:14:57 PM)

The game should end in May. I don't know where this October thing came from.



Wuffer -> RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) (2/1/2012 10:23:22 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

If the war actually ran until July, the SS Division count would be somewhere in the 40s by now..........and there would be an additional 30 Panzer divisions in the reinforcement queue. Each with 1 tank!




yeah, we would see a goebbels', himmler's first, speer's etc., at this state of the war everyone want to have his own army.

@ Tarhunnas - hold on!! Forts and rivers should help.



Encircled -> RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) (2/1/2012 10:51:02 PM)

Notice Tarhunnas didn't say to who Warsaw had fallen too!

Its probably the French



Tarhunnas -> RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) (2/2/2012 7:15:45 PM)

Turn 215. July 26 1945.

The front in the North turn 215. The withdrawal continues. Note the extensive fortification lines. I have plenty of AP and over 600k men in the manpower pool. If there are no rifles, they get spades instead [:D].

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Tarhunnas -> RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) (2/2/2012 7:17:07 PM)

OOB Turn 215.

I wonder a little about the 132 Italian aircraft still fighting. Volounteers from the Fiat factory? Fascist diehards? We will probably never know, but their support is appreciated.

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