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gunny -> New Jagged Alliance. Could it be? (5/10/2011 2:43:24 AM)
I enjoyed the Matrix release of Jagged Alliance Hired guns. Now I hear someone out there is developing a JA sequel. Its supposed to be using a Coreplay engine (whatever that is). Anyways google "Jagged Alliance Back in Action" at jaggedalliance.com. There's an english forum that answers alot of questions.

Perturabo -> RE: New Jagged Alliance. Could it be? (5/10/2011 6:02:32 PM)
All the enemies are visible all the time, no turn-based combat (because according to them, turn-based combat doesn't allow suppression and flanking which are new features of the AI), "racism" (what?) is removed from game.

Lützow -> RE: New Jagged Alliance. Could it be? (5/10/2011 8:04:41 PM)
As Perturabo said. It's just another dumbed down sequel, like so many before. They gave up core elements in order to widen the audience.

mikkey -> RE: New Jagged Alliance. Could it be? (5/10/2011 8:39:37 PM)
no turns, no FOW, no Jagged Alliance[:(]

ilovestrategy -> RE: New Jagged Alliance. Could it be? (5/11/2011 1:44:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Perturabo All the enemies are visible all the time, no turn-based combat (because according to them, turn-based combat doesn't allow suppression and flanking which are new features of the AI), "racism" (what?) is removed from game. Wow, everything that got taken away is what I enjoyed about the game. Including the lack of political correctness.

Phatguy -> RE: New Jagged Alliance. Could it be? (5/11/2011 10:28:43 PM)
Pass

Chris Bisson -> RE: New Jagged Alliance. Could it be? (5/14/2011 12:35:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ilovestrategy quote: ORIGINAL: Perturabo All the enemies are visible all the time, no turn-based combat (because according to them, turn-based combat doesn't allow suppression and flanking which are new features of the AI), "racism" (what?) is removed from game. Wow, everything that got taken away is what I enjoyed about the game. Including the lack of political correctness. I agree... What's up with that? The game is about killing and killing and killing for money right? You use Mercs that kill scumbags for a paycheck and what is wrong with a lack of PC? The entire game is about non PC, Makes you wonder who the jerk making these decisions is.

Fallschirmjager -> RE: New Jagged Alliance. Could it be? (5/14/2011 1:26:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Perturabo All the enemies are visible all the time, no turn-based combat (because according to them, turn-based combat doesn't allow suppression and flanking which are new features of the AI), "racism" (what?) is removed from game. Where did you get this information from?

Terl -> RE: New Jagged Alliance. Could it be? (5/14/2011 11:26:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fallschirmjager quote: ORIGINAL: Perturabo All the enemies are visible all the time, no turn-based combat (because according to them, turn-based combat doesn't allow suppression and flanking which are new features of the AI), "racism" (what?) is removed from game. Where did you get this information from? Good question. I went to the website and checked it out. Here is a link to a sort of FAQ: Summary of questions and answers It appears to be a pausable RTS. I see nothing regarding the "racism" comment, in fact I saw they want to keep a lot of the flavor Sir-Tech had in the original. It looks rather interesting to me. Worth following it to see how it turns out. Supposedly due out 4th quarter 2011

Perturabo -> RE: New Jagged Alliance. Could it be? (5/14/2011 12:22:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Terl It appears to be a pausable RTS. No, it isn't it's a RTwP skirmish game, not a real time strategy game. RTS are dumbed down abstractized strategic games, not any real time wargames and especially not tactical games and not skirmish games. quote: ORIGINAL: Fallschirmjager quote: ORIGINAL: Perturabo All the enemies are visible all the time, no turn-based combat (because according to them, turn-based combat doesn't allow suppression and flanking which are new features of the AI), "racism" (what?) is removed from game. Where did you get this information from? http://www.pcgames.de/Jagged-Alliance-2-Reloaded-PC-235637/News/Jagged-Alliance-2-Reloaded-Preview-des-3D-Remakes-768684/ quote: Außerdem wurden bei den Charakteren einige Dinge entfernt, die recht rassistisch waren und heute möglicherweise anstoßend wirken. Also: quote: Neben der Grafik plant Bitcomposer weitere Neuerungen. So soll es keine Gebiete mehr geben, in denen man einfach nur sinnlos rumläuft und nur durch Glück auf Gegner trifft. Jeder Sektor soll Spielspaß und Herausforderung bieten. [:@]

Lützow -> RE: New Jagged Alliance. Could it be? (5/14/2011 2:07:25 PM)
I don't care much about the racism thing, but removing turns totally deprives the tactical approach. In JA one had to avoid casualties through clever management of action points and I remember winning battles with sharp shooters by continuously retreating, while keeping the enemy out of hit distance. That said, JA was ressource based and the new game will be action based.

Perturabo -> RE: New Jagged Alliance. Could it be? (5/14/2011 8:15:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lützow I don't care much about the racism thing, but removing turns totally deprives the tactical approach. In JA one had to avoid casualties through clever management of action points and I remember winning battles with sharp shooters by continuously retreating, while keeping the enemy out of hit distance. That said, JA was ressource based and the new game will be action based. I don't think removing turns will harm tactical approach. It has auto-pause, action queuing, etc. To me it's a problem because it's another game series where the tabletop wargaming style is removed and replaced with RT. The worst thing that harms the tactical approach is that there is no fog of war and enemies are visible all the time.

Fallschirmjager -> RE: New Jagged Alliance. Could it be? (5/14/2011 11:47:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Perturabo quote: ORIGINAL: Terl It appears to be a pausable RTS. No, it isn't it's a RTwP skirmish game, not a real time strategy game. RTS are dumbed down abstractized strategic games, not any real time wargames and especially not tactical games and not skirmish games. quote: ORIGINAL: Fallschirmjager quote: ORIGINAL: Perturabo All the enemies are visible all the time, no turn-based combat (because according to them, turn-based combat doesn't allow suppression and flanking which are new features of the AI), "racism" (what?) is removed from game. Where did you get this information from? http://www.pcgames.de/Jagged-Alliance-2-Reloaded-PC-235637/News/Jagged-Alliance-2-Reloaded-Preview-des-3D-Remakes-768684/ quote: Außerdem wurden bei den Charakteren einige Dinge entfernt, die recht rassistisch waren und heute möglicherweise anstoßend wirken. Also: quote: Neben der Grafik plant Bitcomposer weitere Neuerungen. So soll es keine Gebiete mehr geben, in denen man einfach nur sinnlos rumläuft und nur durch Glück auf Gegner trifft. Jeder Sektor soll Spielspaß und Herausforderung bieten. [:@] My German is a bit rusty but that appears not to be a interview with the developers but a preview of the game. I just recently discovered the JA series so it is not life or death to me that this new one be any good. I will hold out hope though that the new one is at least good. As for the 'racism'. I am not sure what exactly they mean by that. I played JA 2 just a short time ago and don't remember it being racist nor particularity funny either. The dialogue was sort of hamfisted and cheesy in a stupid 80s action movie sort of way.

Perturabo -> RE: New Jagged Alliance. Could it be? (5/15/2011 12:50:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fallschirmjager I just recently discovered the JA series so it is not life or death to me that this new one be any good. Taking in account that there is JA 2.13, I don't think anyone will really care about that game. quote: As for the 'racism'. I am not sure what exactly they mean by that. I played JA 2 just a short time ago and don't remember it being racist nor particularity funny either. That's why the mention of removing "racism" is disturbing. It's so bizarre.

gunny -> RE: New Jagged Alliance. Could it be? (5/15/2011 1:28:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Perturabo quote: ORIGINAL: Fallschirmjager I just recently discovered the JA series so it is not life or death to me that this new one be any good. Taking in account that there is JA 2.13, I don't think anyone will really care about that game. quote: As for the 'racism'. I am not sure what exactly they mean by that. I played JA 2 just a short time ago and don't remember it being racist nor particularity funny either. That's why the mention of removing "racism" is disturbing. It's so bizarre. Didn't jagged alliance 2 come out in '99? I can see the disappointment waiting this long and not getting what is expected. Although similar happened to the Combat Mission fans when CMSF came out, and that went on to be a successful franchise. There is a cult following of 7.62 fans who will probably be OK with the realtime aspect. Some of the supression fire demos look innovative. I can't see any reason why any developer would purposely leave FOW out. There has to be more to it. I could see the programmers blaming each other: "I thought you were working on it sergei! No, you were assigned fog of war Lars! Too late to put it in now. Do you think the boss will notice?"

Perturabo -> RE: New Jagged Alliance. Could it be? (5/15/2011 12:44:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gunny Didn't jagged alliance 2 come out in '99? I can see the disappointment waiting this long and not getting what is expected. Although similar happened to the Combat Mission fans when CMSF came out, and that went on to be a successful franchise. There is a cult following of 7.62 fans who will probably be OK with the realtime aspect. Some of the supression fire demos look innovative. Suppression fire is already in in JA 2.13 since many years thanks to HAN. To be honest, JA2 community is pretty different from let's say Fallout community as JA2 is open-source which allows continued development by fans. There's more disappointment in still not getting externalized campaign data in JA2.13 that would allow making new games based on it. quote: ORIGINAL: gunny Although similar happened to the Combat Mission fans when CMSF came out, and that went on to be a successful franchise. What's the deal with today's gamers and journalists calling game series "franchises". Are we on some corporate meeting? Would you tell someone that you're inviting them to let's say "Pizza Hut franchise"? quote: ORIGINAL: gunny I can't see any reason why any developer would purposely leave FOW out. There has to be more to it. I could see the programmers blaming each other: "I thought you were working on it sergei! No, you were assigned fog of war Lars! Too late to put it in now. Do you think the boss will notice?" They can't grasp a concept of a simulation game.

gunny -> RE: New Jagged Alliance. Could it be? (5/15/2011 5:22:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gunny Although similar happened to the Combat Mission fans when CMSF came out, and that went on to be a successful franchise. quote: ORIGINAL: Perturabo What's the deal with today's gamers and journalists calling game series "franchises". Are we on some corporate meeting? Would you tell someone that you're inviting them to let's say "Pizza Hut franchise"? In a business sense, its OK to use the term franchise. CMSF was successful in a business sense. Well I went off topic I suppose [;)] since I was referring to successful in a different context like a good pizza and fun to devour, you are right it does not fit.

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