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dbmsts -> Squad size and support squads (5/18/2011 12:51:54 PM)
1. How many men are there in a rifle squad, MMG squad and HMG squad? 2. How many men in a support squad, aviation support squad and naval support squad? 3. For each aviation or naval support squad do we need to add a support squad or are these types of support squads self-sufficient? 4. Does the required aviation support for an airfield vary according to the number of engines each aircraft has in the airfield or is it only the total number of aircraft present regardless of the number of engines?

USSAmerica -> RE: Squad size and support squads (5/18/2011 1:34:39 PM)
For 1 and 2, I don't know the exact numbers, but it's relative to the squad's load cost. I'm sure someone will be able to quickly state the numbers. 3. AV and Naval support squads do not require support themselves, so no additional support squads are needed for them. 4. AV support is required on a 1 squad for 1 aircraft basis. The number of engines is only calculated for over stacking limits at an airfield.

dbmsts -> RE: Squad size and support squads (5/18/2011 2:19:23 PM)
thanks, anyone for 1 and 2?

Smeulders -> RE: Squad size and support squads (5/18/2011 2:34:24 PM)
2. 10, 8 and 8 respectively. 1. Which army ? The number vary wildly. One of the Japanese infantry squads is 19 men strong, NZ and Canadian Militia 10. The Japanese have a HMG squad with 20 men, compared to 6 for the Soviets. Your best bet is to open tracker or the editor.

inqistor -> RE: Squad size and support squads (5/18/2011 10:17:55 PM)
Number of men is identical to Device load cost. You can check all this in game database. I think squads are under the same icon, as planes. And actually, I think, that you always need support squad for recovery of disabled device. No matter of its type.

Pratzen -> RE: Squad size and support squads (5/18/2011 11:14:36 PM)
How are "men" counted with regards to atoll size limits??

dbmsts -> RE: Squad size and support squads (5/19/2011 12:18:42 PM)
Thanks Smeulders and inqistor. quote: How are "men" counted with regards to atoll size limits?? Pratzen, I started this thread exactly for the same reason.

dbmsts -> RE: Squad size and support squads (5/19/2011 12:22:25 PM)
One more question, if I modify the load cost of these squads will that also change the number of men?

treespider -> RE: Squad size and support squads (5/19/2011 6:14:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dbmsts One more question, if I modify the load cost of these squads will that also change the number of men? Yes and a raft full of other things as well...IIRC you need a minimum LC of 11 for a squad to contribute to AV on a 1:1 basis. LC also is used in replacement costs to rebuild destroyed squads...and the list goes on.

inqistor -> RE: Squad size and support squads (5/19/2011 7:18:36 PM)
You can see number of men in unit on the right side of middle unit type picture. It is little complicated, overall 1 load point is equal to 1 man (even for tanks, maybe less), but most important - disabled squads are counted as half, but they will repair, and will be counted at full strength again. And yes, changing load cost, changes number of men.

Pratzen -> RE: Squad size and support squads (5/19/2011 11:15:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dbmsts Thanks Smeulders and inqistor. quote: How are "men" counted with regards to atoll size limits?? Pratzen, I started this thread exactly for the same reason. And did we get an answer yet??

dbmsts -> RE: Squad size and support squads (5/20/2011 12:17:04 PM)
quote: quote: ORIGINAL: dbmsts Thanks Smeulders and inqistor. quote: How are "men" counted with regards to atoll size limits?? Pratzen, I started this thread exactly for the same reason. And did we get an answer yet?? Well, the way I see it, if the load cost is equal to number of men then its easy to just multiply load cost with the number of squads/devices and total them up before sending a unit to attack/defend an atoll.

Smeulders -> RE: Squad size and support squads (5/20/2011 1:18:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dbmsts quote: quote: ORIGINAL: dbmsts Thanks Smeulders and inqistor. quote: How are "men" counted with regards to atoll size limits?? Pratzen, I started this thread exactly for the same reason. And did we get an answer yet?? Well, the way I see it, if the load cost is equal to number of men then its easy to just multiply load cost with the number of squads/devices and total them up before sending a unit to attack/defend an atoll. That's not completely clear, if you take (Troop load cost + Cargo Load cost/3) you'll get a ballpark figure, but that formula doesn't seem to hold for all LCU. Again your best bet is tracker, it shows the 'number of men' in the LCU screen.

dr.hal -> RE: Squad size and support squads (5/20/2011 4:27:34 PM)
MO, where is this "design forum" of which you speak? I can not locate it. Thanks, Hal

dbmsts -> RE: Squad size and support squads (5/20/2011 6:13:32 PM)
I think he meant the scenario design and modding forum.

Pratzen -> RE: Squad size and support squads (5/20/2011 10:58:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Smeulders That's not completely clear, if you take (Troop load cost + Cargo Load cost/3) you'll get a ballpark figure, but that formula doesn't seem to hold for all LCU. Again your best bet is tracker, it shows the 'number of men' in the LCU screen. Real men don't need no tracker! [:D]

inqistor -> RE: Squad size and support squads (5/21/2011 8:11:03 AM)
No, seriously. You can see number of men on the RIGHT SIDE OF UNIT PICTURE! See? Actually base reports it slightly higher, so it is possible, that vehicles/guns are also counted. [image]local://upfiles/35065/A80CCB72FCC94F06AFB93836629D25AD.jpg[/image]

dbmsts -> RE: Squad size and support squads (5/21/2011 2:43:44 PM)
I see, thanks

dbmsts -> RE: Squad size and support squads (5/22/2011 12:52:37 AM)
by USS America quote: 3. AV and Naval support squads do not require support themselves, so no additional support squads are needed for them. In the manual on page 182 says that "One support squad is needed for every non-Support or Aviation Support element in the unit." Is this an error?

erstad -> RE: Squad size and support squads (5/22/2011 1:59:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dbmsts by USS America quote: 3. AV and Naval support squads do not require support themselves, so no additional support squads are needed for them. In the manual on page 182 says that "One support squad is needed for every non-Support or Aviation Support element in the unit." Is this an error? I think it means "One support squad is needed for every non-(Support or Aviation Support) element in the unit.", not "One support squad is needed for every (non-Support) or (Aviation Support) element in the unit." And it doesn't explicitly mention Nav support.

dbmsts -> RE: Squad size and support squads (5/22/2011 6:35:58 AM)
Does the island or Atoll stacking limit also include any pilots stationed there?

inqistor -> RE: Squad size and support squads (5/22/2011 9:31:16 AM)
I do not think pilots are included, but margin is generally quite wide, as units get squads disabled/repaired during gametime. Just by being on the map.

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