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jmalter -> RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p3 updated 10 July (2nd part) (7/16/2011 8:44:49 AM)

hi michaelm,

want to confirm that that 1108p3 beta has fixed my moan wrt refueling, also that at-sea re-arming from Repl TF AEs now seems to distribute equally amongst the available AEs instead of using them one-by-one. i really appreciate that you respond quickly to the user-comments on your betas, imo it's really high-end support & i thank you for your efforts.

i've also noticed your new fixes to the airbase counts, these seem to have calmed down for me in my Downfall scenario, i think they're pert' accurate. one prob i notice in my game-play, i can't tell when an airbase is truly overstacked, or whether it's getting a capacity-bonus from air-HQs that aid its capacity inside an HQ's command-radius.

best regards,
jM



BigDuke66 -> RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p3 updated 10 July (2nd part) (7/16/2011 9:58:54 AM)

Is further testing of this new land combat way planed or will we see it in the next build?



michaelm75au -> RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p3 updated 10 July (2nd part) (7/16/2011 10:17:41 AM)

I can only test so much.[:D]

I intend to drop it here and see how flies.
If it doesn't work or causes too much strife, I'll just roll it back out.
It should only really affect combat where there is no 'real' combat units.

I have one or two people playing around with it.
These are the changes that may or may not be kept.
Tweaked Land combat: Made support devices less likely targets (basically every 10 counts as 1 for target purposes) [MEM]
(Took forever to get hits on combat devices if unit has large support base, like CHI LCUs)
Tweaked Land combat: Inf,Arm,CD LCUs with no current AV are treated like Art for stacking purposes (not made to bear brunt of attack if other AV units present) [MEM]
(Many CHI units end up with much ranged devices but nothing to defend with. But took no loss against the ranged devices in assault)

Other changes for [1108p4] include:
Fixed Overflow of pilot array corrupting map locations [MEM]
Changed Restricted HQ indicator changed from (R) to (R) for temp and [R] for perm attached [MEM]
Tweaked Added "Tonnage" to map taskforce mouse over [MEM]
Changed Made sure group secondary mission gets reset when primary mission changed from NAV_ATTACK [MEM]
Fixed Radar range on air detection was overstated by a factor of 2 or 3. Wrong mix of ft, yds, nm, miles [MEM]
Tweaked Added depth check on DC in ASW combat [DCB]
Added On Army list sceen, 'soft' value of %TOE strength and unit fortifcation level with 'p' to show unit is building them (LCUs in hex only) [MEM]

Due to the land combat changes, I would suggest that PBEM players might want to wait and see how these changes affect play first.



Iron Duke -> RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p3 updated 10 July (2nd part) (7/16/2011 11:08:37 AM)

request

on the load troops screen would it be possible to add the 'target' column from the LCU screen . To aid sorting/loading lcu on to TF's

thanks for the continued above and beyond support [&o][&o]



BigDuke66 -> RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p3 updated 10 July (2nd part) (7/16/2011 11:08:40 AM)

GREAT!

Tweaked Added depth check on DC in ASW combat [DCB]

Will this mean more danger or less danger for subs? That is the only thing I feel at the moment that runs too good, the dutch subs are scoring a lot hits but losses are zero till now were historically they would have lost already 4 subs.



michaelm75au -> RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p3 updated 10 July (2nd part) (7/16/2011 11:30:37 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Iron Duke

request

on the load troops screen would it be possible to add the 'target' column from the LCU screen . To aid sorting/loading lcu on to TF's

thanks for the continued above and beyond support [&o][&o]


It already does. Or is there some else???


[image]local://upfiles/3086/50F8E16D3EC64F84BBB6C3051444D284.jpg[/image]



Iron Duke -> RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p3 updated 10 July (2nd part) (7/16/2011 2:08:08 PM)

sorry must have missed it - not running under a Beta -just the last official update



Rainer -> RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p3 updated 10 July (2nd part) (7/16/2011 5:15:00 PM)

quote:

I can only test so much.
Due to the land combat changes, I would suggest that PBEM players might want to wait and see how these changes affect play first.


I use it now for my ongoing campaign against AI (Allied vs AI, currently 8 Oct 1943).
Will report anything I spot.

I named the archived version 11084pre (the opening screen says "1.0.6.11084").
As I understand it this version is sort of pre-released 11084, correct?



PaxMondo -> RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p3 updated 10 July (2nd part) (7/16/2011 7:56:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: michaelm

I can only test so much.[:D]

...

Due to the land combat changes, I would suggest that PBEM players might want to wait and see how these changes affect play first.

Updating and testing. Let you know if anything untoward is found. The adjustments sound great though ...



michaelm75au -> RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p4 updated 18 July (2nd part) (7/18/2011 7:06:11 AM)

[1108p4]
Fixed Overflow of pilot array corrupting map locations [MEM]
Changed Restricted HQ indicator changed from (R) to (R) for temp and [R] for perm attached [MEM]
Tweaked Added "Tonnage" to map taskforce mouse over [MEM]
Changed Made sure group secondary mission gets reset when primary mission changed from NAV_ATTACK [MEM]
Fixed Radar range on air detection was overstated by a factor of 2 or 3. Wrong mix of ft, yds, nm, miles [MEM]
Tweaked Added depth check on DC in ASW combat [DCB]
Added On Army list sceen, 'soft' value of %TOE strength and unit fortifcation level with 'p' to show unit is building them (LCUs in hex only) [MEM]

I have excluded the land combat change at this time. They will form part of p5
Post #33 above still has the p4 plus the land combat changes in it.



GI Jive -> RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p4 updated 18 July (2nd part) (7/18/2011 1:47:01 PM)

I've been downloading each of the versions as they've come out and have successfully installed and played them. With the most recent download in Post #32 I am getting the error message: "Unable to find PW data" and the application ends. I may well be the least computer literate AE player in the forums. Can anyone tell me I should do to get the latest version to work?



michaelm75au -> RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p4 updated 18 July (2nd part) (7/18/2011 1:54:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GI Jive

I've been downloading each of the versions as they've come out and have successfully installed and played them. With the most recent download in Post #32 I am getting the error message: "Unable to find PW data" and the application ends. I may well be the least computer literate AE player in the forums. Can anyone tell me I should do to get the latest version to work?

Unzip it into the beta2 directory. It is just the EXE not an installer like the normal download beta in the forst post.



GI Jive -> RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p4 updated 18 July (2nd part) (7/18/2011 2:27:47 PM)

Thank you. It worked! (And thanks for all of your great work at improving the game.)



John 3rd -> RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p3 updated 10 July (2nd part) (7/18/2011 4:42:43 PM)

I have multiple variants of AE running and just wanted to know if the Betas create their own shortcut for whichever folder they upgrade? Example I have an RA 2.0 running on the M3 and plan to download the P4 into my RA 3.0 new campaign. Will I have two shortcuts?



littleike -> RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p3 updated 10 July (2nd part) (7/18/2011 6:01:39 PM)

Two warnings:

Could you verify if continuous mode is ok? I tried it from options menu but the game stops at end of the turn and when I return in options menu I found the value reset to one day turn. Also don’t display combat report seems do nothing, I always see it.

In computer vs computer mode at every turn there are enemy icons on map (subs tf etc) that do nothing when I hover over them with the mouse, maybe these icons (tf and subs ) are visible for an error?

Many thanks



michaelm75au -> RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p3 updated 10 July (2nd part) (7/18/2011 9:10:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

I have multiple variants of AE running and just wanted to know if the Betas create their own shortcut for whichever folder they upgrade? Example I have an RA 2.0 running on the M3 and plan to download the P4 into my RA 3.0 new campaign. Will I have two shortcuts?


unlikely. it would create the shortcut based on the install defined in the registry.
You will need to create copies of the beta shortcut and change the target/working directory to point to the extra installs.



michaelm75au -> RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p3 updated 10 July (2nd part) (7/18/2011 9:13:06 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: littleike

Two warnings:

Could you verify if continuous mode is ok? I tried it from options menu but the game stops at end of the turn and when I return in options menu I found the value reset to one day turn. Also don’t display combat report seems do nothing, I always see it.

In computer vs computer mode at every turn there are enemy icons on map (subs tf etc) that do nothing when I hover over them with the mouse, maybe these icons (tf and subs ) are visible for an error?

Many thanks


In comp vs comp, the contents of the tf would still only be viewable by the owning side - that is detection still applies.
Continuous mode does work. Use it all the time.



littleike -> RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p3 updated 10 July (2nd part) (7/18/2011 10:59:51 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: michaelm


quote:

ORIGINAL: littleike

Two warnings:

Could you verify if continuous mode is ok? I tried it from options menu but the game stops at end of the turn and when I return in options menu I found the value reset to one day turn. Also don’t display combat report seems do nothing, I always see it.

In computer vs computer mode at every turn there are enemy icons on map (subs tf etc) that do nothing when I hover over them with the mouse, maybe these icons (tf and subs ) are visible for an error?

Many thanks


quote:

ORIGINAL: michaelm


In comp vs comp, the contents of the tf would still only be viewable by the owning side - that is detection still applies.






Ok Michaelm this is the way I also think it should work but if detection level applies on computer vs computer why I can see on the map enemy icons where my mouse say nothing about them?
Try Thousand miles scenario, few turns at computer vs computer level and look at the enemy icons on the map from any side you choose. For every enemy icon on the map I suppose to see at least something when mouse hover on it (maybe only generic informations ) due to their detection level but there are icons ( mainly subs )where nothing appears on mouse over them so I think that these icons has something strange because if not yet discovered I should not see them and if spotted I should have some information about them also very generic.

Thanks anyway.


quote:

ORIGINAL: michaelm

Continuous mode does work. Use it all the time.




A last doubt about my previous warning:
Is a correct procedure if I start a game human vs computer , play few turns, save the game, then set computer vs computer and load the previously saved game?
Many thanks




bigred -> RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p3 updated 10 July (2nd part) (7/18/2011 11:48:05 PM)

Hi Michael.  My partner and I installed 1108p3 w/ utilization of v1106i.  I installed 1108p3 before I did the allied combat replay and had some jumpy replays on the screen but the turn seemed to process fine.  When I ended the turn and emailed  slot 21 the turn to my partner he noted the date was 43-3-12.  I am certain I sent 43-3-13.
I know I screwed up the combat replay by upgrading too early. Do I need to reinstall the whole game? The attached slot 21.
[image]local://upfiles/27655/586E0A0885C04C79968C9803C175E49C.jpg[/image]



bigred -> RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p3 updated 10 July (2nd part) (7/18/2011 11:51:15 PM)

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Pascal_slith -> RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p3 updated 10 July (2nd part) (7/19/2011 7:34:27 AM)

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Pascal_slith -> RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p3 updated 10 July (2nd part) (7/19/2011 7:50:11 AM)

In my PBEM with my opponent we ran into the SAME PROBLEM but with 1942. I am the Allied player and I submitted him my March 12, 1942, turn. When he returned the replay and the new file for March 13, 1942, the files came up as March 11, 1942, for the replay and March 12, 1942, for the new turn.

Is there a problem with the transition from March 12 to March 13 in the dating sequence???

We are using p3...




Pascal_slith -> RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p3 updated 10 July (2nd part) (7/19/2011 7:57:59 AM)

Second possible problem....

A few turns ago our combat replay said that Bandoeng, which had been holding out quite well, had finally fallen to a concerted Japanese attack.

Upon opening the next turn file, though, Bandoeng was still held by my Allied units.

Is this Fog of War Gone Wild, or is it Working As Designed?




CV 2 -> RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p3 updated 10 July (2nd part) (7/19/2011 8:25:56 AM)

Its the replay bug and it often happens for a turn or 2 after upgrading.



Pascal_slith -> RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p3 updated 10 July (2nd part) (7/19/2011 8:45:40 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: CV 2

Its the replay bug and it often happens for a turn or 2 after upgrading.


But this happened more like 5-6 turns after upgrading....



michaelm75au -> RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p3 updated 10 July (2nd part) (7/19/2011 10:07:48 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: bigred

Hi Michael.  My partner and I installed 1108p3 w/ utilization of v1106i.  I installed 1108p3 before I did the allied combat replay and had some jumpy replays on the screen but the turn seemed to process fine.  When I ended the turn and emailed  slot 21 the turn to my partner he noted the date was 43-3-12.  I am certain I sent 43-3-13.
I know I screwed up the combat replay by upgrading too early. Do I need to reinstall the whole game? The attached slot 21.
[image]local://upfiles/27655/586E0A0885C04C79968C9803C175E49C.jpg[/image]

No you should only need to get the same EXE and pwhexe for both players.



michaelm75au -> RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p3 updated 10 July (2nd part) (7/19/2011 10:10:14 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Pascal

In my PBEM with my opponent we ran into the SAME PROBLEM but with 1942. I am the Allied player and I submitted him my March 12, 1942, turn. When he returned the replay and the new file for March 13, 1942, the files came up as March 11, 1942, for the replay and March 12, 1942, for the new turn.

Is there a problem with the transition from March 12 to March 13 in the dating sequence???

We are using p3...



Not that I know of. It is really basesd on number of turns.



michaelm75au -> RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p3 updated 10 July (2nd part) (7/19/2011 10:12:23 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Pascal

Second possible problem....

A few turns ago our combat replay said that Bandoeng, which had been holding out quite well, had finally fallen to a concerted Japanese attack.

Upon opening the next turn file, though, Bandoeng was still held by my Allied units.

Is this Fog of War Gone Wild, or is it Working As Designed?



Can you send me the replay before and after so I can see where it says it fell, and the following turn where it not.
All I can think of that the exe or pwhex were not same between players.



jcjordan -> RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p3 updated 10 July (2nd part) (7/19/2011 11:52:22 PM)

One new feature of the beta I can't figure out is in the turn resolution on tf/ship sightings the difference between the blue & white colored sightings? I did see that some air units are blue (looks that color on my laptop) on the mission screen if they're a night mission but all my units on search are daytime.



sanch -> RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p3 updated 10 July (2nd part) (7/20/2011 3:57:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ecwgcx
I LOVE the "Load Tenders" option on the ships screen. Absolutely awesome![&o][&o]


There is a side benefit from "Load Tenders" that might be considered gamey by some ...

1. Take an AGP (PT-boat tender) and some PT boats, and park them in some dinky port that happens to have some supplies.
2. Use "Load Tenders"; the AGP load some supplies.
3. Next turn, form the PT TF, and your PT boats are at 100% torpedo strength. Nice! (or maybe gamey).



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