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bwheatley -> RE: Bwheatley vs abulbulian GC 1.5.18 beta (no abulbulian) (10/28/2011 11:20:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kirkgregerson I think it's time to run away from Leningrad as fast as possible. Leaving only some decent infantry units in key cities and forts to bleed the approaching German units. After reading abubuilan's AAR, you seem to being doing a great job evacuating armaments factories and hvy industry. This is frustrating him and I don't blame him as every armament factory moved to the east is more Soviet troops equipped to kill Germans in the future. Maybe you can tell me you secret sometime. If you don't want to post it, just PM me. [:D] Yea i'm sad to see aras bought into the whole omgwtfbbq you have to get arm factories craze. There is no real plan compared to some people. I just look at what's coming up and put 90% of my rail prod at getting shiz out. I'm hopefully going to finish the turn tonight or tomorrow. :)

bwheatley -> RE: Bwheatley vs abulbulian GC 1.5.18 beta (no abulbulian) (10/28/2011 11:23:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kirkgregerson How did turn go? Did you break out of that southern pocket? Seems like a tough thing to do. I believe the screen shots so far were from 'before' the turn? Are you going to try and hold the Dnepr in the south for a turn or two? It will all depend on what happens with that pocket. If i can break myself out i'll probably pull back and let those guys get reencircled and buy some time. The one thing that is frustrating is men turn into wimps once they've been encircled. So the panzers don't need to stay around to shrink the pocket they can leave you in your ZOC tomb. So it doesn't really unfold in a realistic manner. But yea my south is shot so we'll see what we can scrap together. At least i've got the crimea locked down pretty tight. Not like i've seen a german player take it manstein style yet though.

bwheatley -> RE: Bwheatley vs abulbulian GC 1.5.18 beta (no abulbulian) (11/1/2011 10:31:30 AM)
Southern Pocket is free. It will probably still die but it's free.

kirkgregerson -> RE: Bwheatley vs abulbulian GC 1.5.18 beta (no abulbulian) (11/1/2011 3:48:43 PM)
Well played. [:)] It will still buy you time now with them free for a turn. Do you have any screen shots coming?

heliodorus04 -> RE: Bwheatley vs abulbulian GC 1.5.18 beta (no abulbulian) (11/1/2011 7:20:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kirkgregerson I think it's time to run away from Leningrad as fast as possible. Leaving only some decent infantry units in key cities and forts to bleed the approaching German units. After reading abubuilan's AAR, you seem to being doing a great job evacuating armaments factories and hvy industry. This is frustrating him and I don't blame him as every armament factory moved to the east is more Soviet troops equipped to kill Germans in the future. Maybe you can tell me you secret sometime. If you don't want to post it, just PM me. [:D] If the German is not using HQ buildup in waves in the south, I don't think there is any possibility of getting armament points between Bryansk and Stalino. With the hindsight knowledge that the only factories that matter are armament means that unless the German is willing to burn a lot of trucks to get them, he's not going to get them. If HQ buildup is nerfed, something must also be done to the hindsight advantage Soviet players get, I think. Actually, I think something should be done to both, with the hindsight advantage needing more nerfage than Buildup. Buildup has a downside; leaving HI and vehicles behind (among others) doesn't have a downside.

bwheatley -> RE: Bwheatley vs abulbulian GC 1.5.18 beta (no abulbulian) (11/3/2011 7:14:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kirkgregerson Well played. [:)] It will still buy you time now with them free for a turn. Do you have any screen shots coming? I have some screen shots i just have to process them. In the latest update it looks like ara is having trouble in the north he said. Told me the noose is tighter up north but he only got 2 hexes further.

kirkgregerson -> RE: Bwheatley vs abulbulian GC 1.5.18 beta (no abulbulian) (11/3/2011 10:24:55 PM)
Thanks. I've been checking out abulbulian's AAR, but he's got nothing posted yet for turn #8.

bwheatley -> RE: Bwheatley vs abulbulian GC 1.5.18 beta (no abulbulian) (11/5/2011 9:07:39 PM)
Ugh uploading the first T8 screen shots. I'm a little pissed at myself still for the debacle on the leningrad border. I think i know why the units i created evaporated. I put some Fort units in place just to stop the finns from crossing the no attack line. BUT i forgot the rail line had been cut so I'm assuming they got no reinforcements and thus just disappeared when the finns marched down. Such a pathetic end to such a great location with potential to tie up german forces. A mistake i hope my soldiers will forgive me for because it's clear that it will spell trouble for moscow. He's obviously going to once again turn his panzer group in AGN towards the south now. In our last couple games he uses that group as soon as Leningrad is isolated as a northern pincer to form a big old pocket in front of moscow. When i reviewed screens from our older games in the south he is way ahead of schedule. He is actually a couple turns ahead in the north. Thankfully i had a date day with the wife today so it was a good time to try to cope with the stresses of dealing with the nightmare. I'm back more refreshed and ready to continue the struggle. In the south my exuberance for cutting off wiking a 2nd time resulted in the encirclement of two armies. I think i found a hole to rescue them though. Unfortunately they will ultimately die but the 2 lines further east will at least have a few more turns to build up. At this point there is also a pocket a few hexes west of kharkov. The last few games kharkov was a pivotal location that was the location of a few sound winter thumpings for the germans. We have most of the factories out of kharkov including the T34's so i'm hoping to at least use it as a place to slow down the germans. At this pace though it feels like winter will never get here in time. We have another lines that was started at the start of the war by rostov. We're hoping it doesn't get that far but the way things are going now it might just happen. We will need all the luck we can get in the coming months. Mud starts on T17 right? I can never remember. :) That's 9 long turns from now. He might make it to the urals by then.

bwheatley -> RE: Bwheatley vs abulbulian GC 1.5.18 beta (no abulbulian) (11/5/2011 9:49:27 PM)
The one saving grace so far with leningrad is sviritisa is open so i've been able to port out a few units that are in the soon to come leningrad pocket.

bwheatley -> RE: Bwheatley vs abulbulian GC 1.5.18 beta (no abulbulian) (11/5/2011 11:48:27 PM)
Man comparing to T8 of our first game we played i've lost 500k more men (with 2 armies pocketed still in the south) ugh this is gonna be ugly. Of course i've killed 50k more germans though as well. I had an AAR from the first game but i can't seem to find it in the site to check how fast ara progressed.

bwheatley -> RE: Bwheatley vs abulbulian GC 1.5.18 beta (no abulbulian) (11/6/2011 1:56:27 AM)
Northern Front [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t8north.jpg[/image] A big old pickle i've gotten myself into around leningrad. This time i wasn't tricked or duped. I just screwed up and the back door fell over when the finns knocked on it. So time to evacuate and hope to save a majority of my men. This game i've had 500k more casualties then T8 on the first game we played.

bwheatley -> RE: Bwheatley vs abulbulian GC 1.5.18 beta (no abulbulian) (11/6/2011 1:57:18 AM)
Center [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t8-center.jpg[/image] Our center line with our best generals protecting moscow. I fear it will fall this game. I've lost leningrad too early so the AGN panzers will be coming SE for a northern pincer any turn now.

bwheatley -> RE: Bwheatley vs abulbulian GC 1.5.18 beta (no abulbulian) (11/6/2011 1:57:52 AM)
Orel Front (South Central) [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t8-southcentral.jpg[/image] I see some dirty hungarians.

bwheatley -> RE: Bwheatley vs abulbulian GC 1.5.18 beta (no abulbulian) (11/6/2011 2:01:31 AM)
South [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t8-south.jpg[/image] I let ara trick me again. I saw wiking for a 2nd turn just sitting there. It did pop into my head why did he leave it there. As soon as i hit send on the turn the light turned on that he was probably trapping me. And sure enough he did. 2 armies of about 100-200K more men who will be lost. At least it should preoccupy his ID's for a few turns.

bwheatley -> RE: Bwheatley vs abulbulian GC 1.5.18 beta (no abulbulian) (11/6/2011 2:01:58 AM)
Crimea [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t8-farsouth.jpg[/image] By god he's not going to get into the crimea without some bloodshed at least.

bwheatley -> RE: Bwheatley vs abulbulian GC 1.5.18 beta (no abulbulian) (11/6/2011 2:05:01 AM)
Pocket freed [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t8-freeatlast.jpg[/image] I freed one of the pockets west of kharkov. It will cost me that cavalry but it will buy me some time hopefully. T9 we'll see how low on fuel those panzers were. If they get to kharkov then they were one of the units who was resting a few turns. We have everything we want out of kharkov so it should be ok whatever happens.

bwheatley -> RE: Bwheatley vs abulbulian GC 1.5.18 beta (no abulbulian) (11/6/2011 2:05:54 AM)
Ground Losses [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t8-groundlosses.jpg[/image] This game i am 500K up on my losses from the first wite game we played. And ara's losses are 50k more. So at least its proportional.

bwheatley -> RE: Bwheatley vs abulbulian GC 1.5.18 beta (no abulbulian) (11/6/2011 2:06:55 AM)
OOB [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t8-oob.jpg[/image] At least our army and tanks out number the germans. One of the highlights of my turn was finding and smacking 2 units of the hungarian mot unit (i think that's the hungarian unit with the mech).

bwheatley -> RE: Bwheatley vs abulbulian GC 1.5.18 beta (no abulbulian) (11/6/2011 2:09:52 AM)
Leningrad in shambles [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t8-run.jpg[/image] In a blunder that ranks right up there in history the soviets were counting on the fact that the finns would listen to what the United States and western powers were telling it. Do not step foot onto soviet soil or else... They are going to be in leningrad proper next turn. We were able to get almost everything back over the river and hopefully this will not be another large pocket. But it will mean that the AGN panzers will be reattached to AGC and push on moscow. In reality i just forgot to put fort units on the line north of leningrad the first turn. Then the 2nd turn they didn't have enough time to actually build so they disbanded. Plans are beginning next turn for the evacuation of the moscow industrial complexes.

M60A3TTS -> RE: Bwheatley vs abulbulian GC 1.5.18 beta (no abulbulian) (11/6/2011 3:42:04 PM)
Building fortified zones and not putting troops in the same hex is largely a waste. When attacked alone, they invariably lose and your opponent gains morale/experience while you lose arms. In looking over some of your defensive arrangements, some seem made for pocketing. Maybe in cases this is by design to gain time? There are regularly places where the terrain is left open and the enemy can flank you. He needs only moderate air recon to see that.

bwheatley -> RE: Bwheatley vs abulbulian GC 1.5.18 beta (no abulbulian) (11/7/2011 12:50:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS Building fortified zones and not putting troops in the same hex is largely a waste. When attacked alone, they invariably lose and your opponent gains morale/experience while you lose arms. In looking over some of your defensive arrangements, some seem made for pocketing. Maybe in cases this is by design to gain time? There are regularly places where the terrain is left open and the enemy can flank you. He needs only moderate air recon to see that. The lone forts was only for stopping the finns from coming over the no attack line. Yea in the south i'm totally trading space for time by pushing hard and staying forward. I can't have kharkov falling so soon. Though it looks like on T10 it shall fall.

bwheatley -> RE: Bwheatley vs abulbulian GC 1.5.18 beta (no abulbulian) (11/10/2011 2:34:57 PM)
T10 is in the books and it was brutal. Finns are breaking through in the north now that leningrad has fallen. The germans are at the gates of moscow two months early. In the south they are driving along the open space towards rostov. I'll post screenies tonight. Kursk is being enveloped from the north. Kharkov is being enveloped from the south.

bwheatley -> RE: Bwheatley vs abulbulian GC 1.5.18 beta (no abulbulian) (1/14/2012 10:53:18 PM)
After my month long sabbatical over the holidays i'm back at home and T12 is in the books. It was vicious. To save myself stress i'm cataloging my turns and i'll probably keep them 5-10 turns behind. Needless to say in T12 the highlights were. The germans broke through into the crimea via the eastern passage. So i've begun a retreat to the kerch straits. Rostov is probably a turn maybe 2 from being cut off. The speed of the german advance really boned me. I was not able to evac things on my schedule so everything in the stalino area was locked last turn and was unable to evac it. Kharkov was captured last turn. Kursk is encircled and will be destroyed next turn. The germans are 4 hexes away from the done by voronezh. Tula is almost encirled. A few german cavalry units were able to almost envelope the city. I was able to hit the german cav units and route them a small piece of joy. The german near the Oka river coming from the Tula area. The germans are 4 hexes from moscow proper and stalin has not allowed any evacuations of industry there. The soviets will stand and fight the losing battle. North of Moscow the moscow-volga canal is the line with panzers there looking to leap over and cut off moscow. Reserve units have been brought in behind moscow to try to slow down any cut off attempt. In the far north the last vestiges of the Northwest and leningrad fronts are pulling back slowly east. The panzers in that area have disappeared from recon last turn. Intelligence suggests they are moving south towards moscow for the killing blow.

sillyflower -> RE: Bwheatley vs abulbulian GC 1.5.18 beta (no abulbulian) (1/14/2012 11:24:51 PM)
Not suprising given your early losses. It makes it impossible to hold onto anything very much, and leads to vicious circle of more pockets, more factories lost etc.

bwheatley -> RE: Bwheatley vs abulbulian GC 1.5.18 beta (no abulbulian) (1/15/2012 12:49:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sillyflower Not suprising given your early losses. It makes it impossible to hold onto anything very much, and leads to vicious circle of more pockets, more factories lost etc. Yup at least with 1.05 I know Spring 42 won't have me smacking around a full panzer stack. :)

bwheatley -> T9 (1/22/2012 10:03:38 PM)
T9 North Start- [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t9-north.jpg[/image] North end of turn trying to retreat. [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t9-north_end.jpg[/image] Moscow front The germans start their pincer movement to start choking off moscow. [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t9-moscow_end.jpg[/image] Orel [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t9-orel.jpg[/image] Center [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t9-center.jpg[/image] Kharkov [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t9-kharkovfront.jpg[/image] South [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t9-south_end.jpg[/image]

bwheatley -> RE: T9 (1/22/2012 10:35:18 PM)
T10 North [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t10-north_end.jpg[/image] A few units trapped after the finns push forward. Moscow [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t10-moscow_end.jpg[/image] The germans slowly surging forward. Orel [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t10-orel_end.jpg[/image] The south approach to moscow is being pushed as well. Kursk [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t10-kharkov.jpg[/image] Kursk and kharkov enveloped in a mega panzer pocket. South [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t10-south_end.jpg[/image] Stalino will fall next turn and the rostov defenses are being strengthened. Crimea Defenses [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t10-crimea_end.jpg[/image] We have high level forts guarding our way into the crimea. Destroyed Units [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t10-destroyed_end.jpg[/image] T10 Losses [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t10-losses.jpg[/image]

bwheatley -> RE: T9 (1/22/2012 10:44:59 PM)
North [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t11-north.jpg[/image] Moscow [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t11-central.jpg[/image] Orel [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t11-centralsouth.jpg[/image] Tank battle at tula [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t11-tanksbytula.jpg[/image] We forced a panzer division to retreat Kharkov [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t11-south.jpg[/image] Rostov [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t11-south-rostov.jpg[/image] Crimea [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t11-crimea.jpg[/image] Destroyed units [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t11-destroyed.jpg[/image] Fights [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t11-fights.jpg[/image] We are winning more fights these days. Losses [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t11-losses.jpg[/image] OOB [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t11-oob.jpg[/image] Air losses [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t11-airlosses.jpg[/image]

bwheatley -> RE: T9 (1/22/2012 10:47:52 PM)
T12 North [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t12-north_end.jpg[/image] Moscow [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t12-moscow_end.jpg[/image] Tula [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t12-tula_end.jpg[/image] Kursk [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t12-kursk_end.jpg[/image] Rostov [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t12-rostov_end.jpg[/image] Crimea [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t12-crimea_end.jpg[/image] The germans breached on the east approaches so we pulled everyone back towards the strait so we can try to pull off a fighting retreat.

bwheatley -> RE: T9 (1/22/2012 11:16:17 PM)
T13 OOB - [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t13-oob.jpg[/image] North [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t13-north_end.jpg[/image] Moscow - The germans get over the river north of moscow and the lines are tightening. [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t13-moscow_end.jpg[/image] Kursk [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t13-kursk_end.jpg[/image] It drives me crazy that a unit next to a city hex that has troops in it can't rail things out. Rostov [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t13-rostov_end.jpg[/image] Crimea [image]http://williamwheatley.com/billfiles/games/wite/images/pbem-ara/game3/t13-crimea_end.jpg[/image] We freed a couple of slower divisions that got encircled and the pull back will continue next turn.

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