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terje439 -> RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) (12/16/2011 8:54:34 PM)
Turn 98 Overall Nothing happens, the Axis does not even try to attack Moscow in the mud. He is in no hurry, so he will wait them out. Understandable, but sadly that does not kill me any panzers... My airforce on the other hans inflict some 1500 casualties and kill no less than 14 tanks this turn, a very good result. Sadly, I on the other hand forgot my promise to the pilots this turn, about a holiday for those with low morale. Oh well, the vacations will be resumed next turn. With no attacks, we still suffer quite a bit of casualties, with 84.000 dead soldiers this turn. On the other hand, the Axis loss of 28.000 is also pleasing. With 180.000 fresh pair of hands to the manpower pool, it ends at 64. I guess I could be positive, and note that this means the active pool at the end of the turn have multiplied by 32 since last turn... Units i order the formation of 1 tank corps, 1 mech corps and 3 mech brigades. This is a "setup" I will run with for a few turns just to get some more mechanized troops on the board. I also recieved a new airfield, which when you think about it, is a good thing, since that means I also got more aerial units. Our existing troops scored a net growth of 100.000 soldiers this turn. Partisans Today these guys will get their picture shown (see below). With 13 sabotague actions and 17 supply drops, this is a very good turn. Even though the Axis force 10 of our units to retreat, we still have 22 active partisans left at the end of the turn. Operation Dutchboy We are gathering our mobile corps' and will stack them on the railroad east of Moscow. This should be the best possition to allow them to railmove to any threathened part of the front within one turn. So far I have gathered 5 tank corps, 1 mech corps, 3 cav corps and 2 Guards Rifle corps. This number will increase as other units make their way through the mud. Operation Popular Vote Some more recon flights are needed next turn to see if this one comes further than the planning board Worries Not much at the moment, just curious when I will feal I have enough strength to go on the offence [;)] [image]local://upfiles/11504/98F0F1EFD69B4BCA9F9EF2DA0777011E.jpg[/image]

gingerbread -> RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) (12/16/2011 9:45:13 PM)
To add to the Hv Tank SU discourse, these should do good attached to infantry corps doing river assaults since they as SU's will not be subject to disruption.

gingerbread -> RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) (12/16/2011 10:09:36 PM)
Terje, about the partisan void area: a couple of C-47 groups on a VVS-base parked on the rail line just east of the Validai Hills ought to remedy that.

terje439 -> RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) (12/17/2011 12:23:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gingerbread Terje, about the partisan void area: a couple of C-47 groups on a VVS-base parked on the rail line just east of the Validai Hills ought to remedy that. Good thinking, will withdraw those few C47 units I currently have from other bases and redeploy. Thanks for the tip [&o] Terje

terje439 -> RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) (12/17/2011 2:43:39 PM)
Turn 99 Overall The mud is fading quickly, but for now the conditions are still such that the Axis chose not to attack, and nor do we. Our airforce are out making life miserable for a few German units, but that is all. Also, the pilots are actually all rather happy, and no units have a morale below 39 despite taking 10:1 in overall loss ratio each turn. No more than 191.000 workers report to the manpower pool, and it ends at 12 this turn. I also take the time to go over my units and remove the "refit" command from any unit with TOE over 90. Losses are once more rather light, with 29.000 Axis troops killed to our 82.000. Still, due to the low manpower, I really need to get some cities back. Units I combine 3 brigades into a divison, and order the construction of 3 mechanized brigades, and form 2 tank corps. We also recieve a new airfield. With low manpower, our forces record a net growth of a mere 92.000 soldiers this turn. I say mere as this is a turn with no ground fighting. Partisans 10 Axis attacks on our partisan units means we are left with 21 active squads. These guys again perform 13 sabotague actions this turn, which is good enough for now. Our aerial friends perform outstanding and make 24 supply drops this turn. A couple of transport squadrons upgrade to C47s, and will be sent to the reserve pool next turn, and thereafter will be send to a new VVS airfield outside Moscow. Operation Dutchboy More and more forces are being assembled, the number is starting to look good actually. Operation Popular vote This is aborted as the planner had an "D'oh!" moment. Worries What will the spring bring? [image]local://upfiles/11504/26AE1A2029A14E1587D3054436C97303.jpg[/image]

M60A3TTS -> RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) (12/17/2011 8:59:26 PM)
I know what others have said, but I'd be wary of going gaga over tank corps. Hey, I like tanks as much as anyone, but they will continue to be relative lightweights until November when the TO&E doubles up the tank contingent. Even then their smaller infantry contingent will put them at a disadvantage against the enemy unless stacked with another unit having adequate boots on the ground. They can contribute towards local/tactical victories in conjunction with rifle corps but by themselves they will struggle to be a decisive factor. Also, you're now distancing these units from their parent HQs which will reduce their supply intake, so I wouldn't keep them clumped together long. My advice is you can work on your mobile troops but don't stop building infantry altogether. You can take newly formed rifle units and ship them off to a quiet part of the line where the new divisions can replace the idle rifle corps. Then those same corps can be redeployed and put into the line where you want to push your opponent back or simply force him to take casualties and weaken him generally. I'd suggest you'll see better results doing that then trying to mass all these tank and mech corps at least in the coming months. Down the road, the story may change. By 1944 certainly I'd expect the Soviet mobile forces to have a heavier hand in the push west.

terje439 -> RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) (12/17/2011 11:38:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS I know what others have said, but I'd be wary of going gaga over tank corps. Hey, I like tanks as much as anyone, but they will continue to be relative lightweights until November when the TO&E doubles up the tank contingent. Even then their smaller infantry contingent will put them at a disadvantage against the enemy unless stacked with another unit having adequate boots on the ground. They can contribute towards local/tactical victories in conjunction with rifle corps but by themselves they will struggle to be a decisive factor. Also, you're now distancing these units from their parent HQs which will reduce their supply intake, so I wouldn't keep them clumped together long. My advice is you can work on your mobile troops but don't stop building infantry altogether. You can take newly formed rifle units and ship them off to a quiet part of the line where the new divisions can replace the idle rifle corps. Then those same corps can be redeployed and put into the line where you want to push your opponent back or simply force him to take casualties and weaken him generally. I'd suggest you'll see better results doing that then trying to mass all these tank and mech corps at least in the coming months. Down the road, the story may change. By 1944 certainly I'd expect the Soviet mobile forces to have a heavier hand in the push west. Yes, the HQ factor is a concern of mine, the one thing I see as a benefit of keeping those mobile units to the rear however is that they will be able to plug any hole in the front quickly, and to the rear they will suffer less attrition than on the frontline. And ofc if I am able to open a gap, the tank corps becomes invaluable due to their ability to move through ZoC alot better than rifle units. That being said, I am somewhat scared of the situation at present, but I think I will be untill the frontline consists of 3x3 rifle corps units.... Another thing that calls for rifle units, is ofc the vehicle pool. Your advice is taken, and it will eventually be used, but atm I will form any excisting cav divs and tank brigades into corps,as they are useless in smaller groups. Terje

terje439 -> RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) (12/17/2011 11:49:03 PM)
Turn 100 Overall The mud goes away, and both sides resume offensive operations. The good thing is that all our attacks are successes, while the bad news is that we lose alot of units in the Moscow pocket. The Germans do not manage to kill of the pocket this turn, it is estimated that another turn or two will be required. The Axis managed a total of 13 attacks, scoring 1 held, 4 retreats, 1 rout and 7 surrenders, while we make 4 attacks and score 4 retreats. Due to the troops lost in the pocket, loss ratio is completely in favour of the Axis this turn, with losses reported as 33.000 to 318.000. A total of 180.000 workers report to the manpower pool this turn, and it ends at 75. At the same time, it seems my armaments pool is really reluctant to pass the 1.000.000 mark, as it ends at 994.000, which is about where it has been the last few turns. Units We will start with the lost in action list this turn. We lost 3 fortified areas, 2 tank corps, 1 AT artillery brigade, 1 rifle brigade, 2 artillery divisions, 7 rifle divisions and 5 rifle corps. That is alot of troops... At the same time, 9 rifle brigades are formed into 4 rifle divisions (I ALWAYS forget that 2 is enough the first time I do this each round...), and I also order the formation of 1 mechanized corps, 1 tank corps, 1 cavalry corps and 2 rifle corps this turn. And we are also rewarded with a new airfield. With so many units lost, the net growth of our forces are -109.000 soldiers this turn. Partisan We are left with 23 active units after the Axis launch 6 attacks on partisan units this turn. The remaining units perform 15 sabotague actions, and are rewarded by 22 supply drops this turn. The C47s are sent to the resrve this turn, and will be brought back in a few turns. I want to see what happens around Moscow before placing more airfields there. Operation Dutchboy The forces are gathering, and it is a pretty sight, their CV however, and espesially those of my tank corps, are not satisfying. Worrries The ease with which the German panzers can rout my rifle corps. [image]local://upfiles/11504/3135F19E1DDD47468AE9CE4C1FF76016.jpg[/image]

TulliusDetritus -> RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) (12/18/2011 12:25:13 AM)
Terje, from the screenshot the Rifle Corps only has 13.000 men. That's very few. Maybe you threw them to battle too early. A refit thing should have filled the ranks and you would have an almost-monster: 25.000-30.000 men. That or I am missing something [:)]

terje439 -> RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) (12/18/2011 12:50:36 AM)
Good catch, missed that one myself. True, and also they only had a level 1 fort. And ofc there were ALOT of panzers [:)] Still it keeps me worried Terje

M60A3TTS -> RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) (12/18/2011 12:56:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus Terje, from the screenshot the Rifle Corps only has 13.000 men. That's very few. Maybe you threw them to battle too early. A refit thing should have filled the ranks and you would have an almost-monster: 25.000-30.000 men. That or I am missing something [:)] Exactly what I was going to say. Your one corps was running with a TO&E of probably 45%. Then there is a question of possible fatigue. You were hit by 4 panzer divisions and outnumbered 5-1. Looks like there was no supporting artillery from higher HQ on your side, no SU assigned to the corps, and the corps was assigned to the Moscow MD. Ugh. Considering all the factors, these are the sort of results you can expect from the CRT. If you have rifle corps operating in a heavy panzer environment, SUs are essential. May I recommend heavy tank regiments or ATG regiments?

Flaviusx -> RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) (12/18/2011 1:06:37 AM)
M60, a well trained and rested guards tank corps at this point can reach the lower teens. That's quite respectable. They will always be fragile units with a glass jaw, no matter what point of the war, but their offensive capability is good enough by early 43. The just can't take it in the chin. Certainly they're plenty good enough to break up wild panzer envelopments. (And will have theirs broken in turn, usually.)

terje439 -> RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) (12/18/2011 1:28:03 AM)
Turn 101 Overall More mud means the Moscow pocket is still alive. The Axis make no attacks, while we perform one, forcing a German infantry division to retreat with losses during the battle at 2:1 in our favour. In the end losses are reported as 28.000 to 83.000. One good thing came from the surrender of all those units last turn I guess, as although the manpower pool only recieves 172.000 pair of hands this turn, the pool ends at 145.000 this turn. Guess it will all be gone again in a few turns, but nevertheless a small morale boost. Units Stalin gave us alot of CP this turn, so we managed to build a decent ammount of troops this turn. I order the formation of 1 tank corps, 1 mechanized corps, 1 cavalry corps and 2 rifle corps. Furthermore I also build 6 rifle divisions, 3 rifle brigades, 3 mechanized brigades and 3 rocket launcher divisions. A question about units, are the ski brigades worth it? (yes, I probably should have asked BEFORE the winter started[:D]), the same question about assault engineer sapper brigades, are they worth building (seems like a nice addition to each attacking stack imo). Our units report a net growth of 88.000 troops this turn. Partisans A disappointing turn. Only 5 sabotague actions makes the 19 supply drops seem extravagant. The Axis forced 9 units to retreat, leaving us with 19. So really not a good turn at all. The C47s have been placed around Moscow, let us see if that helps the attacks on the central rail line. Worries Hmm might I be Montgomery?! I am too scared to do something offensive before my reserves are biiig... Picture None this turn. Nothing to show really. If there is anything in peculiar you guys want to see, post a request.

terje439 -> RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) (12/18/2011 4:34:08 AM)
Turn 102 Overall With the mud gone again, the Axis kill off the Moscow pocket, but that is all they do. I attack all along the line where I have a resonable (2:1+) chance of success. The result is 6 held and 7 retreats. 3 of the held results were artillery only, so those "do not count" [;)]. The Axis score 3 surrenders with their 3 attacks, and are now bragging about the view from the Kremlin. Losses in the end are reported at 32.000 Axis troops to our 189.000, I have got to stop allowing them to form pockets... Our manpower pool recieves a total of 180.000 workers this turn, and ends at 1327. Units I order the formation of 4 rifle corps (no mech, tank or cav available at the moment), and 1 Guards Airborne division. I also allow one of my shock armies to produce 3 heavy AT regiments, 3 sapper regiments and 3 flamethrower companies. This shock army is where my mechanized corps are placed, and they will be given some more toys next turn. I also recieve a new airfield this turn, and when I look at my aircraft numbers, I realize why. The Moscow pocket is closed, and we lose 2 rifle corps, 1 cavalry corps, 6 rifle divisions and 6 AA regiments. With these losses, our overall strength decrease by 9.000 this turn. Partisans They must have heard I was not too pleased with the results last turn, because they perform very well this turn. 19 sabotagues actions and 30 supply drops were made by the 27 active units that were left after the Axis chased away 6 of our guys this turn. Worries What will the Axis do this spring/summer? [image]local://upfiles/11504/3EADAD13EC454D01A2E778C417C10F61.jpg[/image]

Seminole -> RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) (12/18/2011 5:24:06 AM)
quote: I know what others have said, but I'd be wary of going gaga over tank corps. Hey, I like tanks as much as anyone, but they will continue to be relative lightweights IMO, their strength isn't in their toe to toe offensive power, but in their mobility advantage over tank brigades. Armored formations are not simply bludgeons. Think more like Patton, less like Grant, when it comes to applying tanks on the battlefield.

BletchleyGeek -> RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) (12/18/2011 12:23:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Seminole quote: I know what others have said, but I'd be wary of going gaga over tank corps. Hey, I like tanks as much as anyone, but they will continue to be relative lightweights IMO, their strength isn't in their toe to toe offensive power, but in their mobility advantage over tank brigades.� Armored formations are not simply bludgeons.� Think more like Patton, less like Grant, when it comes to applying tanks on the battlefield. Really that. And that makes them a premium specialist asset. One doesn't want to have an army of specialists - one-trick horses - either :)

terje439 -> RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) (12/18/2011 6:52:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bletchley_Geek quote: ORIGINAL: Seminole quote: I know what others have said, but I'd be wary of going gaga over tank corps. Hey, I like tanks as much as anyone, but they will continue to be relative lightweights IMO, their strength isn't in their toe to toe offensive power, but in their mobility advantage over tank brigades.� Armored formations are not simply bludgeons.� Think more like Patton, less like Grant, when it comes to applying tanks on the battlefield. Really that. And that makes them a premium specialist asset. One doesn't want to have an army of specialists - one-trick horses - either :) The way I would like my army to work (sooner rather than later, but in due time nevertheless), is that; 1. My Guard Rifle Corps will attack the main line and rupture the front 2. My Tank, Mech and Cav Corps will drive through the hole in the line 3. My "normal" Rifle Corps will guard the flanks and make sure the front is not resealed behind my mobile units. Terje

terje439 -> RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) (12/18/2011 11:32:41 PM)
Turn 103 Overall Turn of the Partisans!!! The Axis does not seem to do anything but chase partisans and scratch their heads. Only two attacks are made on the line, and those I expected as I did place two lone divisions in a gap in the line (used to be Axis territory). However, the Axis used German panzer divisions to do the attacks, and I say thank you very much, bomb one of them well atleast back into 1942 before attacking with 3 rifle corps with 3 artillery divisions joining in. The result was 114 Germans AFVs destroyed, the majority being PzIVg, Pz38(t)E, PzIIIn and PzIIf's, so no obsolete vehicles (with the exception of the Chzech) either. I am however somewhat displeased with my overall results, as I score 6 held and 4 retreats this turn. However this time I know why I got held results, 2 of them was due to HQ modifiers (-30%), and 3 of them were due to my stupidity (looked at the enemy offensive CV, not defenive), and the last was so close it does not really count, ending at 1.9:1. Anyway, the Axis scored 2 retreat results as their only attacks. I took a good look at my pools, and was happy to see that the vehicle pool is up to 121.000. The armaments pool however will not reach 1.000.000, as it drops this turn to 989.000. With a total of 183.000 reporting to the manpower pool, it ends the turn at 6.314 this turn. Units I sent 11 aerial units on some R&R this turn, 8 tacticals, 2 level bombers and 1 transport. Alot of my TACs are obsolete planes, and it shows. The happy news is that 2 of our rifle corps gain Guard status this turn, way to go lads! Apart from the usual airfield, I order the formation of 1 mechanized corps, 1 tank corps and 3 rifle corps this turn, leaving me with 1 CP which I save for a rainy day. With rather high losses, our forces only grew by 70.000 troops this turn. Hehe "only"... Guess I have high demands [;)] Partisans Wow, just wow. No less than 43 supply drops were made this turn, that is just amazing. The guys on the ground were quite active as well with 17 sabotague actions, but the real gem is that despite no less than 16 anti-partisan attacks by the Axis, we are still left with 28 units remaining. Worries I must not be too careful, nor too careless... The "Moscow Salient" looks mouthwatering though. [image]local://upfiles/11504/D825B7E6015348E2A8FDC35E2D88EE76.jpg[/image]

gingerbread -> RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) (12/19/2011 12:25:41 AM)
You might want to look at the '43a Mortar Brigade. 144 tubes of 120mm with high RoF and blast value. Very inexpensive in men and ARM, ~1500 of each. Use vs. infantry. If you have any transport air groups and C-47s or Li-2s left, a base placed NW of Krasnodar would cover the Ukraine. The entire rail net is converted by now, so to have an effect at the front it takes a lot of attacks.

terje439 -> RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) (12/19/2011 4:53:08 PM)
Turn 104 Overall The mud is back, and the Axis do nothing. We fly as many sorties as possible, targeting nothing but German units, and despite the mud, I see a possibility for an attack on the 71st German Infantry Division. The attack results in a retreat, and the 71st is down to 4.000 men in strength. These guys really seem to be in need of some time away from the front. But if they are kept here, we will keep pounding them, as they are an easy target. In the end, losses are reported at 27.000 Axis troops compared to our loss of 80.000. Units I did not build anything this turn, merely because I pushed end turn a tad quick... Our existing forces grew by 97.000 this turn. Partisans Another good turn, espesially the guys around Moscow show some guts. A total of 25 sabotague actions and 32 supply drops are undertaken this turn, and despite 14 units being attacked by the Axis, we are left with 32 on the map. Worries Nothing stands out. [image]local://upfiles/11504/0F946CFAF4DE4160A5499B1002A50A2E.jpg[/image]

terje439 -> RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) (12/19/2011 4:55:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gingerbread 1. You might want to look at the '43a Mortar Brigade. 144 tubes of 120mm with high RoF and blast value. Very inexpensive in men and ARM, ~1500 of each. Use vs. infantry. 2. If you have any transport air groups and C-47s or Li-2s left, a base placed NW of Krasnodar would cover the Ukraine. 3. The entire rail net is converted by now, so to have an effect at the front it takes a lot of attacks. 1. Are two of these to prefer over 1 arty division? 144 tubes does seem good to me! 2. Thanks for the advice, will look into it. 3. Yes, I know, however all these attacks forces the German player to either depend on automated repair, or keep his FDB(??) running all over the place. And I also see alot of German regular infantry in the rear chasing partisans, these units are not available to him at the front, which is a decent bonus in my eyes. Terje

gingerbread -> RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) (12/19/2011 5:59:56 PM)
Soviet guns & howitzers seems to fire 1 or max 2 rounds if they get to fire - the mortars fire more when they get to. Exp and leader initiative is used to determine, but the high RoF is what makes the case for the mortars as I see it. Low cost means you can have more, AP and command limits permitting. You need to let them train up exp before they are usable, though. There is a division of rockets that costs 42 000(!) ARM that I tried vs AI. Not worth it...

BletchleyGeek -> RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) (12/19/2011 7:04:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gingerbread There is a division of rockets that costs 42 000(!) ARM that I tried vs AI. Not worth it... Having one of these when the time comes to assault Adolf's cozy bunker in Berlin would be priceless.

terje439 -> RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) (12/19/2011 8:26:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gingerbread Soviet guns & howitzers seems to fire 1 or max 2 rounds if they get to fire - the mortars fire more when they get to. Exp and leader initiative is used to determine, but the high RoF is what makes the case for the mortars as I see it. Low cost means you can have more, AP and command limits permitting. You need to let them train up exp before they are usable, though. There is a division of rockets that costs 42 000(!) ARM that I tried vs AI. Not worth it... Good thing ARM is the one thing I have in aboundance [:D] Terje

terje439 -> RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) (12/19/2011 9:08:28 PM)
Turn 105 Overall The mud is gone again, yet the Axis seem occupied with taking pictures of the Kremlin, they do not attack at all. I order a total of 10 attacks, and score 4 held and 6 retreats. Once more our retreats are all in the 1.7:1 to 1.9:1 range, so close to successes. If the German panzers remain around Moscow, that implies that the Axis has allowed the pace to be set by me from now on, and I want to attack, yet I do not dare to launch an all out assault. I am still too worried about the German panzers around Moscow, and attacking would use most of my reserves... Losses are somewhat high on our side this turn with 89.000 casualties compared to the Axis loss of 29.000 troops. This turn a total of 185.000 workers report to the manpower pool, ending it at 2.442. The good news is that the vehicle pool is now up to 124.000 and rising. Units This turn is in the name of infantry as my tank brigades arrived at the assembly area with no movement left. I therefore create 8 rifle corps and construct 2 rifle divisions, a rifle brigade, and 3 mortar brigades this turn. Since our losses were somewhat high this turn, our overall strength only increase by 83.000 troops this turn. Partisans The Axis force 18 units to retreat this turn, yet we still have 32 units left on the map. These units then perform a total of 26 sabotague actions, and are given 21 supply flights as a thank you. Worries Are my opponent only waiting for me to act, or is he refitting his units? [image]local://upfiles/11504/4EA0802E93C24EB09E2F50CCFFEEFD8D.jpg[/image]

M60A3TTS -> RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) (12/19/2011 9:41:42 PM)
You asked before what en masse meant, and I hadn't replied. That would be three stacked rifle corps in a hex with a total CV of 25-30. Two stacks of that size would attack and they would possibly be backed up with artillery, not including anything the parent army has at its disposal. I assume since your CVs are shown to be generally lower that you could be more selective on who gets refit. Remember too that corps units as any unit suffer attrition if they are in contact with the enemy on the front lines. If you aren't attacking with those corps, you can keep division sized units in the line. Leave selected corps in the back on refit so they will be fresh when you send them in to battle.

Seminole -> RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) (12/19/2011 9:43:03 PM)
quote: The way I would like my army to work (sooner rather than later, but in due time nevertheless), is that; 1. My Guard Rifle Corps will attack the main line and rupture the front 2. My Tank, Mech and Cav Corps will drive through the hole in the line 3. My "normal" Rifle Corps will guard the flanks and make sure the front is not resealed behind my mobile units. If you expect to hold the shoulders of the line breech with infantry divisions, I suspect you will be disappointed. In my game against the Axis AI I was able to accomplish something similar to what you aspire. A strong '41 fall campaign, and excellent winter, led to a weak German summer. I was able to create a hole in the line near Velikiye Luki and offer the Wehrmacht some of its own bitter blitzkrieg medicine. His efforts to stem the flood of tank brigades caused him to open a hole in the line near the Pripyat, through which I muscled some more tank brigades and basically chewed up AGC in a massive encirclement. From there it was a race to Riga to cut off AGN before summer drew to a close. Through the winter of '42-'43 I've advanced steadily across the front. I mainly attack with rifle corps, then move an infantry division into the freshly evacuated hex. This keeps the rifle corps off the front line for attrition purposes, and his counter attacks are mostly absorbed by my infantry divisions (which he can displace anywhere he chooses to attack). I wasn't able to make another decent armored breakthrough until I got to the edge of eastern Prussia. But it's now April '43, and I'm busy re-organizing the Red Army in the mud for what I hope is the final summer offensive.

terje439 -> RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) (12/19/2011 9:53:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Seminole If you expect to hold the shoulders of the line breech with infantry divisions, I suspect you will be disappointed. Nope, with rifle corps, not divisions :) These guys have about the same unmodified CV as German Inf Divs by now, so he might be able to push away some, but he should not be able to brush them all aside. Atleast that is how I am thinking... Terje

terje439 -> RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) (12/19/2011 9:56:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS You asked before what en masse meant, and I hadn't replied. That would be three stacked rifle corps in a hex with a total CV of 25-30. Two stacks of that size would attack and they would possibly be backed up with artillery, not including anything the parent army has at its disposal. I assume since your CVs are shown to be generally lower that you could be more selective on who gets refit. Remember too that corps units as any unit suffer attrition if they are in contact with the enemy on the front lines. If you aren't attacking with those corps, you can keep division sized units in the line. Leave selected corps in the back on refit so they will be fresh when you send them in to battle. My rifle corps are from 4-12 in CV (unready-guards), with an average between 5 and 6. Most German inf div at this time show a CV of 5. I did not think about the idea of keeping my div's as placeholders in silent areas. Good tip! As to who gets prioritized for refit, that are the units with the lowest TOE. As soon as TOE is over 90% for a unit it goes into ready or reserve status. Terje

terje439 -> RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) (12/20/2011 12:15:49 AM)
Turn 106 Overall The Axis remain still, and launch no attacks on the line. We do however, and for the first time (where we make more than a few attacks), all our attacks succeed. 8 retreats and 4 held, where all 4 held results are artillery only attacks. Another positive thing, is the fact that in all battles the Axis lost more troops, guns and tanks than us. Somewhat disappointing to see 14:1 attacks only produce retreats, but I'll take it anyway. I also have decided that we shall make a minor offensive, just to test things out, we will see how it ends, but alteast the planning is done, and the gathering of forces have begun. ETA 2-4 turns, depending on how fast I can move my forces, and how the Axis react. At the end of the turn, the undertakers report 33.000 killed Axis troops, and 87.000 on our side. The manpower pool recieves a total of 185.000 men and women, it still ends on a meagre 22 though. Units 4 aerial squadrons are sent to the reserves to regain some morale. Then we form 2 tank corps (which means there are no more tank brigades on the map), and construct 3 mechanized brigades, and a rifle brigade. The rifle brigade is just a placeholder in Stalingrad as I do not want to give up my forts there just yet (still feeling too insecure...), as that frees up the last needed cavalry division I need to form that last cavalry corps. In the northern sector, all rifle corps are ordered to step away from the frontline, and give that duty to divisions. Let us hope this reduce attrition somewhat. I also moved some divisions to the rear, at places where there were 2 of them at the front. Our forces report a net growth of 88.000 troops this turn. I guess this will have to do untill we liberate some cities. Partisans Although the Axis chase away 16 units, we are still left with 31. As so often before, our airforce perform very well and make 30 supply drops this turn. I fear this shall drop next turn as two transport squadrons have been given some rest this turn. And this turn too, we go past the 20-marker in ammount of sabotague actions, but just barely, as a total of 21 are performed. Operation To Don or Not to Don I will attempt a small scale attack, just to get a feel of a) how I manage, and b) how the Axis react. I start to gather forces, but for the first time since the factory evacuations, I find myself lacking in rail capacity. Worries How good is the Axis recon ability at this point? [image]local://upfiles/11504/33FC6A86EC4C46B0A257ED85CB4993EC.jpg[/image]

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