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Oleg Mastruko -> No blizzard in November? (10/31/2011 5:39:44 PM)
I prefer random weather in my games, because it makes things more interesting and less predictable. In one of my games blizzard came to one weather zone in turn 24, in November 41, ie one turn earlier than it usually occurs. However, there were no blizzard effects (CV reduction etc) that turn. Is the game hard coded so that blizz effects occur in turn 25 even if the blizzard comes earlier to some parts of the map? Is this a bug or WAD?

Joel Billings -> RE: No blizzard in November? (10/31/2011 6:08:03 PM)
22.3. FIRST WINTER RULE The following rules impact the Axis player in the section of the map area delineated by coordinates X>72 or X>54 AND Y<95 during Blizzard turns in any scenario that includes the months of December 1941 through February 1942. It should be more clear that it only happens in the months from Dec to Feb.

Oleg Mastruko -> RE: No blizzard in November? (10/31/2011 6:18:58 PM)
So it's not really blizzard that froze poorly clad Germans to death reducing their combat value, it was when they saw Dec 41 on the calendar? [:D] I mean weather model is funny as it is, but it does not make much sense to see German units fully combat ready during November blizzards, then reduced in the first week of December because some contrived rule says so even though weather didn't really change (blizzard to blizzard). If random weather brings blizzard earlier, then it should also bring a blizzard effects earlier. Also, I believe that due to random weather Soviets may "lose" beneficial effects of blizzard if there is a random turn of snow anywhere in the blizzard period, so it's only fair to give them blizz effects in November (if it happens to blizz in November)

heliodorus04 -> RE: No blizzard in November? (10/31/2011 6:29:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Oleg Mastruko So it's not really blizzard that froze poorly clad Germans to death reducing their combat value, it was when they saw Dec 41 on the calendar? [:D] I mean weather model is funny as it is, but it does not make much sense to see German units fully combat ready during November blizzards, then reduced in the first week of December because some contrived rule says so even though weather didn't really change (blizzard to blizzard). If random weather brings blizzard earlier, then it should also bring a blizzard effects earlier. Also, I believe that due to random weather Soviets may "lose" beneficial effects of blizzard if there is a random turn of snow anywhere in the blizzard period, so it's only fair to give them blizz effects in November (if it happens to blizz in November) +1, but is it codeable easily?

traemyn -> RE: No blizzard in November? (10/31/2011 6:38:00 PM)
I brought this issue up in the Suggestion thread but it didn't get any traction. There are other artificial rules that have been accepted as part of the game (1:1->2:1 for example - even more so now its just a couple of months). I assume they would love to have all of these kinds of rules out of the game but doubt they have the resources to fix them, and unfortunately this weather one doesn't seem to be a priority. Do the majority of players play with Non-Random weather? I don't know.. but this issue doesn't get mentioned in AAR's a lot (if at all) so maybe that is the case..

Oleg Mastruko -> RE: No blizzard in November? (10/31/2011 6:42:41 PM)
I think the majority prefers pre-set weather. I hate it, because you know exactly which turn any of the very important, crippling events will happen. You should not know that. Basically I see random weather as the ONLY way of making the weather model less terrible than it is, ie marginally more interesting for players. Apparently, though, some weather related events in the game are unreleated to weather. If that sounds completely crazy, that's because it is [8D]

JAMiAM -> RE: No blizzard in November? (10/31/2011 6:57:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Oleg Mastruko Also, I believe that due to random weather Soviets may "lose" beneficial effects of blizzard if there is a random turn of snow anywhere in the blizzard period,... No, there are no non-blizzard results during the Dec 41-Jan 42 portion in the "First Winter" period. Watch out for the first turn of Feb 42, however...[;)] Having a blizzard result before the "First Winter" period should simply be seen as some slightly worse form of snow, much like it is during the rest of the war.

JAMiAM -> RE: No blizzard in November? (10/31/2011 7:00:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Oleg Mastruko I think the majority prefers pre-set weather. I hate it, because you know exactly which turn any of the very important, crippling events will happen. You should not know that. Basically I see random weather as the ONLY way of making the weather model less terrible than it is, ie marginally more interesting for players. Agreed, and so strongly, in fact, that I will not play any game that has non-random weather.

Encircled -> RE: No blizzard in November? (10/31/2011 7:31:15 PM)
+1 Playing a strategy game lasting as long as this one and playing so that you know exactly what the weather will be on Nov 4th 1943 is just bollocks.

pompack -> RE: No blizzard in November? (10/31/2011 11:30:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Encircled +1 Playing a strategy game lasting as long as this one and playing so that you know exactly what the weather will be on Nov 4th 1943 is just bollocks. ???? Are you agreeing or disagreeing with James? No problem either way, but the way you stated it confused me [&:]

Commanderski -> RE: No blizzard in November? (11/1/2011 12:58:46 AM)
I also random weather. That's the way weather is and both sides are affected. It can and does disrupt the best laid plans and you have to learn to adjust. I think the coldest weather was during the Dec - Feb time frame and that's what they are simulating. It wasn't so much as the snow but the cold that had the greatest affect on the Axis.

Farfarer61 -> RE: No blizzard in November? (11/1/2011 2:04:41 AM)
It is irritatingly fun to have random weather. Overall, I assess it disturbs the Axis much more though. Perhaps a) no Blizzard ever in the "Europe" zone and b) a chance of another Snow turn would even things out. When you have Mud Turns Roll across the weather zones at precisely the turns when that zone is "hot", the Axis effectively gets 3 turns in row of Mud where 50% of his forces are on offence. No one "knew" the winter of 41-42 was going to be what it was climate wise, so hey throw in just a tad of variety. Playing Soviet, I of course insist on random weather :) In the Blizzard: " I will only hit you with a series of punishing left jabs this turn, instead of the usual right upper-cuts".

TulliusDetritus -> RE: No blizzard in November? (11/1/2011 3:12:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Farfarer Playing Soviet, I of course insist on random weather :) In the Blizzard: " I will only hit you with a series of punishing left jabs this turn, instead of the usual right upper-cuts". You use your fists? I use a chainsaw [8D] The Axis are not the only victim though. Random weather during the Blitzkrieg (a mud turn that is) did cost me on my current game (as Soviet) 10 rifle divisions in the Velikie Luki area [:)]

PeeDeeAitch -> RE: No blizzard in November? (11/1/2011 4:32:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JAMiAM Agreed, and so strongly, in fact, that I will not play any game that has non-random weather. This is because James is a Weatherlord, capable of bringing down mud when his opponent leasts wants it.

Oleg Mastruko -> RE: No blizzard in November? (11/1/2011 5:09:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Farfarer Overall, I assess it disturbs the Axis much more though. That's because people stop playing to soon. In 43 and later variable weather disturbs Soviets more.

grosbil -> RE: No blizzard in November? (11/10/2011 4:43:02 PM)
I think a good solution could be an option to have historical weather till february 1942 and random weather after this date. This avoid a poor german first attack due to mud or winter coming too soon...

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