Not all useless after all - PT-Boats

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Lanconic -> Not all useless after all - PT-Boats (11/9/2011 5:35:22 PM)
Night Time Surface Combat, near Noumea at 115,160, Range 10,000 Yards Japanese Ships CA Aoba, Torpedo hits 1 DD Yomogi DD Karii Allied Ships PT-36 PT-37 PT-38 PT-39 PT-40, Shell hits 1, and is sunk PT-43 PT-44, Shell hits 1, and is sunk PT-45 PT-46 PT-47 PT-48, Shell hits 1, and is sunk Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions and 39% moonlight: 12,000 yards Range closes to 10,000 yards... CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 10,000 yards Japanese open fire on surprised Allied ships at 10,000 yards DD Karii fires at PT-48 at 10,000 yards DD Yomogi fires at PT-46 at 10,000 yards DD Yomogi fires at PT-44 at 10,000 yards DD Karii fires at PT-40 at 10,000 yards DD Yomogi fires at PT-39 at 10,000 yards Range closes to 8,000 yards DD Karii engages PT-48 at 8,000 yards DD Karii engages PT-46 at 8,000 yards DD Karii engages PT-37 at 8,000 yards Range closes to 7,000 yards DD Yomogi engages PT-48 at 7,000 yards DD Yomogi engages PT-48 at 7,000 yards DD Yomogi engages PT-38 at 7,000 yards DD Karii engages PT-37 at 7,000 yards Range closes to 5,000 yards PT-48 engages DD Karii at 5,000 yards PT-48 engages DD Yomogi at 5,000 yards PT-40 engages DD Yomogi at 5,000 yards DD Yomogi engages PT-38 at 5,000 yards Range closes to 4,000 yards CA Aoba engages PT-48 at 4,000 yards DD Karii engages PT-48 at 4,000 yards DD Yomogi engages PT-48 at 4,000 yards CA Aoba engages PT-45 at 4,000 yards PT-39 engages CA Aoba at 4,000 yards PT-38 engages DD Karii at 4,000 yards Range closes to 3,000 yards PT-48 sunk by CA Aoba at 3,000 yards DD Karii engages PT-46 at 3,000 yards CA Aoba engages PT-45 at 3,000 yards PT-40 sunk by CA Aoba at 3,000 yards CA Aoba engages PT-38 at 3,000 yards CA Aoba engages PT-47 at 3,000 yards DD Karii engages PT-47 at 3,000 yards PT-37 engages DD Yomogi at 3,000 yards CA Aoba engages PT-36 at 3,000 yards Hisamune, Yonejiro orders Japanese TF to disengage PT-46 engages CA Aoba at 3,000 yards CA Aoba engages PT-43 at 3,000 yards CA Aoba engages PT-39 at 3,000 yards CA Aoba engages PT-47 at 3,000 yards DD Karii engages PT-44 at 3,000 yards Range increases to 5,000 yards PT-44 collides with PT-43 at 115 , 160 DD Karii engages PT-47 at 5,000 yards PT-44 sunk by CA Aoba at 5,000 yards Range increases to 7,000 yards DD Yomogi engages PT-46 at 7,000 yards DD Karii engages PT-45 at 7,000 yards CA Aoba engages PT-38 at 7,000 yards CA Aoba engages PT-37 at 7,000 yards Range increases to 9,000 yards CA Aoba engages PT-47 at 9,000 yards DD Karii engages PT-47 at 9,000 yards DD Karii engages PT-45 at 9,000 yards DD Yomogi engages PT-37 at 9,000 yards Range increases to 10,000 yards DD Karii engages PT-47 at 10,000 yards DD Yomogi engages PT-47 at 10,000 yards Range increases to 11,000 yards DD Yomogi engages PT-47 at 11,000 yards CA Aoba engages PT-38 at 11,000 yards DD Karii engages PT-47 at 11,000 yards CA Aoba engages PT-45 at 11,000 yards CA Aoba engages PT-43 at 11,000 yards DD Karii engages PT-37 at 11,000 yards Range increases to 12,000 yards Range closes to 11,000 yards DD Yomogi engages PT-47 at 11,000 yards DD Yomogi engages PT-39 at 11,000 yards Range closes to 9,000 yards CA Aoba engages PT-38 at 9,000 yards Range increases to 11,000 yards CA Aoba engages PT-39 at 11,000 yards Range increases to 12,000 yards CA Aoba engages PT-38 at 12,000 yards DD Yomogi engages PT-37 at 12,000 yards Task forces break off...

crsutton -> RE: Not all useless after all - PT-Boats (11/9/2011 6:19:00 PM)
"Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then." [;)] Actually, I find PTs to be far from useless.

Miller -> RE: Not all useless after all - PT-Boats (11/9/2011 6:22:37 PM)
I lost a CV (crippled and sunk by air the next day) and a BB (mag explosion) to PT boats in my last game.

Icedawg -> RE: Not all useless after all - PT-Boats (11/9/2011 6:56:44 PM)
As a Japanese player, I would have to say that PTs are anything but useless. Early on in the GC, the only surface threat I fear more is the Battlestar Galactica. Ur, I mean the CL Boise. [;)]

Sardaukar -> RE: Not all useless after all - PT-Boats (11/9/2011 11:35:29 PM)
Night & low visibility = PT time.

nashvillen -> RE: Not all useless after all - PT-Boats (11/10/2011 12:54:19 AM)
I keep telling all of you, don't build PT boats... They are useless! [:D] [;)][;)]

bradfordkay -> RE: Not all useless after all - PT-Boats (11/10/2011 2:29:50 AM)
Here is another decent result from a recent battle. Note: visibility conditions were prime for the PTs, but I can't take any credit for that. The PTs have been based there for a long time, it just happened that the night of the battle was favorable... Night Time Surface Combat, near Nadi at 131,160, Range 2,000 Yards Japanese Ships DD Hatsushima DD Yayoi DD Uzuki DD Minazuki DD Kikuzuki DD Asanagi DD Yunagi, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage Allied Ships PT-126 PT-128 PT-142 PT-143 PT-144, Shell hits 1 PT-145, Shell hits 4, and is sunk Reduced visibility due to Thunderstorms with 46% moonlight Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms and 46% moonlight: 2,000 yards Range closes to 10,000 yards... Range closes to 8,000 yards... Range closes to 6,000 yards... Range closes to 4,000 yards... Range closes to 2,000 yards... CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 2,000 yards CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 2,000 yards DD Yunagi engages PT-145 at 2,000 yards PT-144 engages DD Asanagi at 2,000 yards DD Yunagi engages PT-143 at 2,000 yards DD Minazuki engages PT-145 at 2,000 yards DD Uzuki engages PT-145 at 2,000 yards DD Yayoi engages PT-145 at 2,000 yards DD Yunagi engages PT-145 at 2,000 yards DD Yunagi engages PT-144 at 2,000 yards DD Kikuzuki engages PT-145 at 2,000 yards DD Yayoi engages PT-142 at 2,000 yards DD Uzuki engages PT-145 at 2,000 yards DD Asanagi engages PT-126 at 2,000 yards DD Hatsushima engages PT-145 at 2,000 yards Range increases to 4,000 yards DD Yayoi engages PT-145 at 4,000 yards DD Minazuki engages PT-144 at 4,000 yards PT-145 sunk by DD Kikuzuki at 4,000 yards DD Minazuki engages PT-142 at 4,000 yards Range closes to 3,000 yards DD Yunagi engages PT-144 at 3,000 yards DD Yunagi engages PT-143 at 3,000 yards DD Hatsushima engages PT-128 at 3,000 yards DD Hatsushima engages PT-143 at 3,000 yards DD Asanagi engages PT-144 at 3,000 yards DD Minazuki engages PT-128 at 3,000 yards DD Uzuki engages PT-142 at 3,000 yards DD Hatsushima engages PT-143 at 3,000 yards Range closes to 2,000 yards DD Kikuzuki engages PT-143 at 2,000 yards DD Kikuzuki engages PT-142 at 2,000 yards DD Yunagi engages PT-126 at 2,000 yards DD Yayoi engages PT-143 at 2,000 yards Showers, O.G. orders Allied TF to disengage DD Yunagi engages PT-126 at 2,000 yards DD Asanagi engages PT-126 at 2,000 yards DD Kikuzuki engages PT-142 at 2,000 yards DD Minazuki engages PT-144 at 2,000 yards DD Yayoi engages PT-126 at 2,000 yards DD Hatsushima engages PT-144 at 2,000 yards Task forces break off...

dr.hal -> RE: Not all useless after all - PT-Boats (11/10/2011 2:11:51 PM)
I have found them to be VERY useful and my Japanese opponent has come to that view only after a healthy does of lost AKs... They can be deadly given the right conditions (night, no moon) with a good TF commander.

zzodr -> RE: Not all useless after all - PT-Boats (11/10/2011 2:36:06 PM)
From my first game vs AI Night Time Surface Combat, near Buka at 109,128, Range 1,000 Yards Japanese aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses No Japanese losses Japanese Ships BB Yamato, Torpedo hits 6, on fire, heavy damage BB Musashi CA Nachi, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 5, and is sunk DD Kiyonami DD Kuroshio DD Natsushio DD Asashio Allied Ships PT-73, Shell hits 11, and is sunk PT-74, Shell hits 1, and is sunk PT-75, Shell hits 3, and is sunk PT-76 PT-77 PT-78, Shell hits 10, and is sunk PT-79, Shell hits 1, and is sunk PT-80, Shell hits 2, and is sunk PT-81, Shell hits 2, and is sunk PT-82 PT-83, Shell hits 4, and is sunk PT-84, Shell hits 4, and is sunk PT-115, Shell hits 4, and is sunk PT-116, Shell hits 10, and is sunk PT-117, Shell hits 11, and is sunk PT-118, Shell hits 1, and is sunk Reduced sighting due to 7% moonlight Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 7% moonlight: 2,000 yards Range closes to 9,000 yards... Range closes to 7,000 yards... Range closes to 5,000 yards... Range closes to 3,000 yards... Range closes to 1,000 yards... Specht, W.C. gains tactical advantage DD Natsushio engages PT-118 at 1,000 yards CA Nachi engages PT-118 at 1,000 yards DD Asashio engages PT-118 at 1,000 yards CA Nachi engages PT-84 at 1,000 yards PT-83 engages DD Kuroshio at 1,000 yards CA Nachi engages PT-78 at 1,000 yards CA Nachi engages PT-75 at 1,000 yards Range increases to 2,000 yards BB Yamato engages PT-117 at 2,000 yards PT-118 sunk by DD Kuroshio at 2,000 yards DD Kiyonami engages PT-82 at 2,000 yards CA Nachi engages PT-75 at 2,000 yards DD Natsushio engages PT-73 at 2,000 yards PT-117 sunk by BB Musashi at 2,000 yards BB Yamato engages PT-115 at 2,000 yards CA Nachi engages PT-84 at 2,000 yards PT-116 engages CA Nachi at 2,000 yards CA Nachi engages PT-84 at 2,000 yards PT-116 engages DD Asashio at 2,000 yards DD Natsushio engages PT-116 at 2,000 yards PT-81 engages BB Musashi at 2,000 yards PT-80 engages BB Yamato at 2,000 yards Range increases to 3,000 yards CA Nachi engages PT-116 at 3,000 yards BB Yamato engages PT-115 at 3,000 yards DD Asashio engages PT-116 at 3,000 yards DD Natsushio engages PT-116 at 3,000 yards CA Nachi sunk by PT-80 at 3,000 yards Range closes to 2,000 yards BB Musashi engages PT-116 at 2,000 yards PT-115 sunk by BB Musashi at 2,000 yards DD Natsushio engages PT-116 at 2,000 yards BB Yamato engages PT-82 at 2,000 yards DD Natsushio engages PT-73 at 2,000 yards PT-116 sunk by DD Asashio at 2,000 yards BB Yamato engages PT-83 at 2,000 yards PT-81 engages BB Musashi at 2,000 yards DD Asashio engages PT-78 at 2,000 yards Range increases to 4,000 yards BB Musashi engages PT-84 at 4,000 yards BB Musashi engages PT-83 at 4,000 yards DD Natsushio engages PT-82 at 4,000 yards DD Kuroshio engages PT-80 at 4,000 yards PT-79 sunk by DD Natsushio at 4,000 yards BB Yamato engages PT-83 at 4,000 yards DD Natsushio engages PT-84 at 4,000 yards DD Kiyonami engages PT-78 at 4,000 yards PT-76 engages DD Kuroshio at 4,000 yards Range closes to 2,000 yards BB Musashi engages PT-84 at 2,000 yards PT-83 sunk by BB Musashi at 2,000 yards DD Asashio engages PT-84 at 2,000 yards PT-81 engages DD Natsushio at 2,000 yards BB Musashi engages PT-80 at 2,000 yards DD Kiyonami engages PT-78 at 2,000 yards BB Yamato engages PT-73 at 2,000 yards Takayanagi, Gihachi orders Japanese TF to disengage PT-84 sunk by BB Musashi at 2,000 yards DD Natsushio engages PT-82 at 2,000 yards DD Kuroshio engages PT-80 at 2,000 yards BB Yamato engages PT-82 at 2,000 yards BB Musashi engages PT-81 at 2,000 yards DD Kiyonami engages PT-80 at 2,000 yards PT-78 sunk by BB Yamato at 2,000 yards PT-80 sunk by DD Kuroshio at 2,000 yards BB Yamato engages PT-75 at 2,000 yards PT-74 sunk by BB Musashi at 2,000 yards PT-81 engages BB Yamato at 2,000 yards BB Yamato engages PT-77 at 2,000 yards PT-76 engages DD Natsushio at 2,000 yards Range increases to 3,000 yards PT-81 sunk by DD Kiyonami at 3,000 yards Range closes to 2,000 yards DD Natsushio engages PT-82 at 2,000 yards BB Yamato engages PT-82 at 2,000 yards DD Asashio engages PT-82 at 2,000 yards DD Natsushio engages PT-75 at 2,000 yards DD Kiyonami engages PT-75 at 2,000 yards Range increases to 3,000 yards PT-75 sunk by DD Kiyonami at 3,000 yards PT-73 sunk by BB Musashi at 3,000 yards Task forces break off...

HansBolter -> RE: Not all useless after all - PT-Boats (11/10/2011 2:41:01 PM)
PT boats have never been useless. I too have sunk IJN carriers with Dutch PTs off Java. The American and Phillippine PTs routinely sink ships at Vigan in the opening days.

crsutton -> RE: Not all useless after all - PT-Boats (11/10/2011 10:52:32 PM)
In fact they can be gamed and exploited a bit. In my campaign we have a limit of six per TF and one active TF per base. This seems to keep it in perspective.

bradfordkay -> RE: Not all useless after all - PT-Boats (11/11/2011 2:52:14 AM)
I keep them limited to six PTs in a task force, but sometimes you have to have two of those Task Forces in a base because when you "build" them you have no control over the amount of PTs created. My experience has been that if there are twelve or more of them in the pool and you have enough supply points they will create twelve PTs at a time with no option to create fewer.

vettim89 -> RE: Not all useless after all - PT-Boats (11/11/2011 4:57:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bradfordkay I keep them limited to six PTs in a task force, but sometimes you have to have two of those Task Forces in a base because when you "build" them you have no control over the amount of PTs created. My experience has been that if there are twelve or more of them in the pool and you have enough supply points they will create twelve PTs at a time with no option to create fewer. This!!! It was the first thing I thought when I saw the six per TF/one TF per hex comment. If there are enough PT in the pool and enough supply, "built PT" gives you 12.

Puhis -> RE: Not all useless after all - PT-Boats (11/11/2011 6:40:40 AM)
But you can always disband 6 extra PTs. They are not lost, they go back to pool... [;)]

bradfordkay -> RE: Not all useless after all - PT-Boats (11/11/2011 7:11:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Puhis But you can always disband 6 extra PTs. They are not lost, they go back to pool... [;)] We couldn't do this in WITP, so I keep forgetting that...[sm=sign0031.gif] Question: when you disband them, do you regain the supply that was used in creating them?

HansBolter -> RE: Not all useless after all - PT-Boats (11/11/2011 12:03:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crsutton In fact they can be gamed and exploited a bit. In my campaign we have a limit of six per TF and one active TF per base. This seems to keep it in perspective. Seems a bit excessive of a limitation since they deploy in groups of 12. I limit TF size to 4 per TF, but allow 3 TFs of 4 PTs each to accommodate the deployment of 12. What do you do, immediately return 6 to the pool after 12 deploy or immediately move half the deployment to another base?

HansBolter -> RE: Not all useless after all - PT-Boats (11/11/2011 12:04:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Puhis But you can always disband 6 extra PTs. They are not lost, they go back to pool... [;)] and are now unavailable for use elsewhere for another 21 days.

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