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larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.42 Axis AI vs fulkerson (12/3/2011 3:28:00 PM)

This is the T5 end of turn stats:

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larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.42 Axis AI vs fulkerson (12/3/2011 3:44:01 PM)

This is the T6 beginning of turn stats:

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FredSanford3 -> RE: 1.05.42 Axis AI vs fulkerson (12/3/2011 3:45:46 PM)

Something I'm experimenting with is organization of the Soviet AF. My thoughts right now are that at start, I divide the Soviet FB's into 3 groups:

Group A- I-15/153's etc (anything with a '15' or '153'): gets converted to run bomber missions, and get allocated at ~ 200-300 to each Front. Use until pool is spent.

Group B- I-16 anything: Use these as the front-line fighters and use them until pool is spent.

Group C- 'modern' fighters-Lagg-3, Yak-1, Mig-3: To national reserve to build and train. Exclusively.

Upgrades are to manual in all cases since I want to use up the crap airframes as cannon fodder while conserving the better stuff. However, every so often I'll sort the Group A/B regiments by experience and send any standouts (say 70+ exp.) to the NR to be converted to a newer model. Trial by fire.

When to commit the Group C fighters is a judgement call. It depends on how long the I-junk lasts. I'd really like to save them until spring 42, but that's probably too optimistic. By then, there'd be even better stuff sitting in the pool.
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ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

I just figured out that I'm loosing more Mig-3's per turn than I'm building each turn. D'oh.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.42 Axis AI vs fulkerson (12/3/2011 3:49:20 PM)

This is supposed to be the T6 Axis moves:

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larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.42 Axis AI vs fulkerson (12/3/2011 3:53:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Franklin Nimitz
Something I'm experimenting with is organization of the Soviet AF. My thoughts right now are that at start, I divide the Soviet FB's into 3 groups:

Group A- I-15/153's etc (anything with a '15' or '153'): gets converted to run bomber missions, and get allocated at ~ 200-300 to each Front. Use until pool is spent.

Group B- I-16 anything: Use these as the front-line fighters and use them until pool is spent.

Group C- 'modern' fighters-Lagg-3, Yak-1, Mig-3: To national reserve to build and train. Exclusively.

Upgrades are to manual in all cases since I want to use up the crap airframes as cannon fodder while conserving the better stuff. However, every so often I'll sort the Group A/B regiments by experience and send any standouts (say 70+ exp.) to the NR to be converted to a newer model. Trial by fire.

When to commit the Group C fighters is a judgement call. It depends on how long the I-junk lasts. I'd really like to save them until spring 42, but that's probably too optimistic. By then, there'd be even better stuff sitting in the pool.

When you say the planes from group A get converted you probably mean you upgrade them manually to a bomber, 10-4?
And you say you leave the group C fighters in the NR until the spring of '42? whoa.

My losses are higher than "normal" right now because I'm flying all the fighters I have.



FredSanford3 -> RE: 1.05.42 Axis AI vs fulkerson (12/3/2011 4:07:57 PM)

No, not an aircraft change, a mission change. If you select an I-15 unit, the pop up window has a selection option to change to flying bomber missions. It will say "Currently Flying Fighter Missions". Change it to bomber.

The only times I spend AP's on changing airframes is when I 'harvest' the high-experience I-crap units. And changing that R-5 recon regt to SB-2 recons. That's it.
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ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Franklin Nimitz
Something I'm experimenting with is organization of the Soviet AF. My thoughts right now are that at start, I divide the Soviet FB's into 3 groups:

Group A- I-15/153's etc (anything with a '15' or '153'): gets converted to run bomber missions, and get allocated at ~ 200-300 to each Front. Use until pool is spent.

Group B- I-16 anything: Use these as the front-line fighters and use them until pool is spent.

Group C- 'modern' fighters-Lagg-3, Yak-1, Mig-3: To national reserve to build and train. Exclusively.

Upgrades are to manual in all cases since I want to use up the crap airframes as cannon fodder while conserving the better stuff. However, every so often I'll sort the Group A/B regiments by experience and send any standouts (say 70+ exp.) to the NR to be converted to a newer model. Trial by fire.

When to commit the Group C fighters is a judgement call. It depends on how long the I-junk lasts. I'd really like to save them until spring 42, but that's probably too optimistic. By then, there'd be even better stuff sitting in the pool.

When you say the planes from group A get converted you probably mean you upgrade them manually to a bomber, 10-4?
And you say you leave the group C fighters in the NR until the spring of '42? whoa.

My losses are higher than "normal" right now because I'm flying all the fighters I have.





FredSanford3 -> RE: 1.05.42 Axis AI vs fulkerson (12/3/2011 4:23:34 PM)

Spring '42 is a goal.  It depends on losses amongst the I-crap and how long they can last.

In a pbem I'm playing right now, it's turn 5 and I have 1200 Migs/Yaks/Laggs in the NR.  Early on, they are low experience (30's-40's) and commiting them to battle just gets them killed.  But the thought of 3,000+ (at good experience too) hitting at once at some point? :drool

Overall as a strategic concept for the opening campaign, I try to think of my forces as being in two groups- the fighting/delaying group, and the reserve group.  My goal is to make the reserve group as large a %age overall as I can, while giving the fighting/delaying group the minimum it needs to hold the german's gains to a reasonable level.  The reserve group becomes the hammer at blizzard time.  Read TulliusDetritus' AAR- I like his approach.



larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.42 Axis AI vs fulkerson (12/3/2011 5:28:34 PM)

I love the idea of pulling all the low experience units off the line and training them for an extended period.  Thanks.

EDIT: I've gotten one of the bypassed units adjacent to Warsaw again. I'm hoping I can move into the city and destroy all the industry there again. I've zipped up the save game file and have attached it here in case somebody wants to investigate the unit that will crash
into Warsaw.



FredSanford3 -> RE: 1.05.42 Axis AI vs fulkerson (12/3/2011 6:38:44 PM)

I also do the same for Il-2's and Pe-2's.  They all go to the NR.  That's why I change the I-15's to 'bomber' missions, so there will at least be some ground support.



larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.42 Axis AI vs fulkerson (12/3/2011 9:03:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Franklin Nimitz
I also do the same for Il-2's and Pe-2's.  They all go to the NR.  That's why I change the I-15's to 'bomber' missions, so there will at least be some ground support.

I re-read TD's AAR and I agree with him wholeheartedly. And I found that place where you change it into bombers. Thanks for that good
idea. I'm paying more attention to the air force than I did on the last game. I'm trying to raise the Axis losses without killing my air staff.
Also I'm keen on lowering my losses without losing out on some Axis kills. It's a strange balance of this and that and I'm not sure what
the answer is right now. I'm experimenting with several things. Like the Air Doctrine settings. I'm wondering if raising the % required to
fly is maybe a step in the right direction.



larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.42 Axis AI vs fulkerson (12/3/2011 9:47:09 PM)

I thought this might be a really good time to rail all the good stuff out of N-town since it's on the frontline right now.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.42 Axis AI vs fulkerson (12/3/2011 9:59:26 PM)

This is the T6 Soviet moves:

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larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.42 Axis AI vs fulkerson (12/3/2011 10:08:26 PM)

This is the end of turn T6 stats:

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larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.42 Axis AI vs fulkerson (12/3/2011 10:31:48 PM)

This is the beginning of the turn T7 stats:

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larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.42 Axis AI vs fulkerson (12/3/2011 10:38:50 PM)

This is the T7 Axis moves:

[image]local://upfiles/16287/D8965F7A42E547E19398DF7E998723C5.gif[/image]



larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.42 Axis AI vs fulkerson (12/3/2011 10:44:07 PM)

Well it's official, I invaded Warsaw and destroyed all the manpower there sort of, kinda. Well some of it at least.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.42 Axis AI vs fulkerson (12/3/2011 10:53:37 PM)

This is a picture of a couple of units that just appeared sw of Riga. I guess that maybe they routed there or ??? Maybe they've been
there all this time and I only just now noticed them. I don't know which it is.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.42 Axis AI vs fulkerson (12/3/2011 11:01:27 PM)

In an effort to cut down on the losses I've moved all the air groups that have less than a 40 morale to the NR. Now I guess I need to
find all the lowest morale ground troops and send them to Moscow so they can take in a movie or watch a show for a week or so. Then
back face down in the mud.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.42 Axis AI vs fulkerson (12/4/2011 12:30:23 AM)

I filled up about a half a dozen empty air bases with 7 planes each and when I ran out of flyable planes I found that I still have about 7
empty airbases. I'm assuming that production will eventually fill the air bases, but disbanding all those SAD bases is still tempting.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.45 Axis AI vs fulkerson (12/4/2011 12:36:16 AM)

This is the T7 Soviet moves:

[image]local://upfiles/16287/A6A9C7837B624F4EAF96FA0493D89C70.gif[/image]



larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.45 Axis AI vs fulkerson (12/4/2011 12:42:57 AM)

This is the end of turn T7 stats:

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larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.45 Axis AI vs fulkerson (12/4/2011 1:08:49 AM)

This is the beginning of turn T8 stats:

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larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.45 Axis AI vs fulkerson (12/4/2011 1:16:52 AM)

This is the T8 Axis moves:

[image]local://upfiles/16287/41CE1554080449DC8A52B2A122B14FED.gif[/image]



larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.45 Axis AI vs fulkerson (12/4/2011 1:31:31 AM)

I've been bombing the Axis front lines ( ground unit bombing ) for several turns now and STILL they come on. I'm thinking I'm loosing
control of this. Leningrad will probably soon be surrounded and then the Finns are free. D'oh.

At least I still hold Odessa. So far.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.45 Axis AI vs fulkerson (12/4/2011 3:36:44 AM)

This is the T8 Soviet moves:

[image]local://upfiles/16287/F76EE0E2706941EEB9AF13ADA0289464.gif[/image]



larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.45 Axis AI vs fulkerson (12/4/2011 3:51:52 AM)

I did a lot of ground pounding again. Pulling back seems to be the order of the day. I spent about 100 AP's buying SU's for the HQ's
and found about 4 'empty' HQ's ( HQ's with no CU's ). Um.......I converted a lot of I-153's to Mig-3's. Probably about 40 AP's worth.
So that leaves me with about 40 which I'm planning on needing in the very near future. For something. I donno yet.

Here's the T8 end of turn stats:

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larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.45 Axis AI vs fulkerson (12/4/2011 4:13:55 AM)

This is T9 beginning of turn stats:

[image]local://upfiles/16287/96A5DC207C124505BE7E8386ADE6D278.gif[/image]



larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.45 Axis AI vs fulkerson (12/4/2011 4:23:11 AM)

Here's the T9 Axis moves:

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larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.45 Axis AI vs fulkerson (12/4/2011 5:45:15 AM)

Here's the T9 Soviet moves: I'm still in pull-back mode in some places but in Leningrad he makes me retreat but doesn't occupy the
hex so I move something into the same hex in my turn. Couple of turns now, near Leningrad especially.

[image]local://upfiles/16287/D42642D99A0D47919F461AB280DB7CA9.gif[/image]



larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.45 Axis AI vs fulkerson (12/4/2011 5:57:55 AM)

This is the T9 end of turn stats:

[image]local://upfiles/16287/0552AE404FE84EEAB9613287BC6B4BEB.gif[/image]



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