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sabre1 -> RE: No more "been there, done that" games, please! (1/2/2012 1:39:22 AM)

I have enjoyed the Schwerpunkt games, and appreciate the customer service and support Mr. Dockal has given me. I do understand though that the UI is an acquired taste.

That statement can also be applied to the ProSim line of games. My contacts in the past with ProSim were also extremely helpful and polite when I actively played the game.



2ndACR -> RE: No more "been there, done that" games, please! (1/2/2012 3:54:34 AM)

I miss the modern/cold war era. I remember playing SSI's Overrun! literally to death back in the day on my C64/128. Nothing better than sneaking thru the woods with a Milan team and popping that tank from the rear.

But have to say that Armored Brigade is extremely nice. Thanks to Petrubo for the link. Now I just have to work out how to use everything.



Hertston -> RE: No more "been there, done that" games, please! (1/2/2012 4:33:30 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rusty1961

Sorry, I can't stand Schwerpunkt's games. I bought a few and was terribly disappointed. I want the "A" team to develop some games, not some minor-league outfit.


The phrase 'beggars can't be choosers' rather springs to mind!



Perturabo -> RE: No more "been there, done that" games, please! (1/2/2012 8:35:52 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: 2ndACR

I miss the modern/cold war era. I remember playing SSI's Overrun! literally to death back in the day on my C64/128. Nothing better than sneaking thru the woods with a Milan team and popping that tank from the rear.

But have to say that Armored Brigade is extremely nice. Thanks to Petrubo for the link. Now I just have to work out how to use everything.


I forgot that the version on the site is a bit outdated. There's a new version that has 2 real world height/terrain maps on the forums to pick terrain from instead of the random generator.



2ndACR -> RE: No more "been there, done that" games, please! (1/2/2012 10:45:13 AM)

That is very nice. Now we just need more years and goodies. How do you re-attach a tank/unit back to it's parent unit?



Magpius -> -in defense of schwerpunkt games (1/2/2012 1:56:16 PM)

wow, the comments surprised me.
I thought AGW was okay. It took a while to get used to the interface, and the mechanics, because they are old-school.
But you get a map that covers the whole screen., (unlike plenty of titles here where you end up with small map space surrounded by superfluous frames of eyecandy)
It pleases the history playing folks that dont necessarilly want to end up too far off script.
The grading system for ongoing score is good
The counters convey all the necessary information.
The map graphic is good.
Okay so you dont get animated a.i. moves, (Adv. Tactics didnt either)
and the map loading and fixed zooms can be a pain.
But it plays out well.
the U.i for MDE has evolved from AGW.
As far as I know it is a husband and wife team that make it, and the guy is active on the wargamer forum threads.
The U.I is refreshingly restrained.
The middle east scenarios, and there are plenty, all have well researched OOB's and deliver many hours of game time.
I dont think it's bin worthy, the are plenty of games worse than this one, still for sale.
and a patch for Middle East is due out shortly.
and he is also working on a new game combining agw with rgw, and there are plenty of supporters on these forums waiting for that one too.
my cent's worth.





Titanwarrior89 -> RE: -in defense of schwerpunkt games (1/2/2012 2:01:49 PM)

How well does the north africa campaign play out?
quote:

ORIGINAL: Agent S

wow, the comments surprised me.
I thought AGW was okay. It took a while to get used to the interface, and the mechanics, because they are old-school.
But you get a map that covers the whole screen., (unlike plenty of titles here where you end up with small map space surrounded by superfluous frames of eyecandy)
It pleases the history playing folks that dont necessarilly want to end up too far off script.
The grading system for ongoing score is good
The counters convey all the necessary information.
The map graphic is good.
Okay so you dont get animated a.i. moves, (Adv. Tactics didnt either)
and the map loading and fixed zooms can be a pain.
But it plays out well.
the U.i for MDE has evolved from AGW.
As far as I know it is a husband and wife team that make it, and the guy is active on the wargamer forum threads.
The U.I is refreshingly restrained.
The middle east scenarios, and there are plenty, all have well researched OOB's and deliver many hours of game time.
I dont think it's bin worthy, the are plenty of games worse than this one, still for sale.
and a patch for Middle East is due out shortly.
and he is also working on a new game combining agw with rgw, and there are plenty of supporters on these forums waiting for that one too.
my cent's worth.







Perturabo -> RE: No more "been there, done that" games, please! (1/2/2012 3:05:34 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: 2ndACR

That is very nice. Now we just need more years and goodies.

It's a work for modders now. Though, when modding, it's best to use a separate game folder for each era.

quote:

ORIGINAL: 2ndACR

That is very nice. Now we just need more years and goodies. How do you re-attach a tank/unit back to it's parent unit?

Choose the parent units and choose form regroup or press shift+F8.



Rusty1961 -> RE: No more "been there, done that" games, please! (1/2/2012 6:12:36 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hertston

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rusty1961

Sorry, I can't stand Schwerpunkt's games. I bought a few and was terribly disappointed. I want the "A" team to develop some games, not some minor-league outfit.


The phrase 'beggars can't be choosers' rather springs to mind!




Agreed! But how is that company doing with it's selection of conventional games?



Rusty1961 -> RE: No more "been there, done that" games, please! (1/2/2012 6:13:21 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: rosseau

I have all the old Schwerpunkt games up to AGW. So am I entitled to agree there's just no excuse for a UI like that from any publisher, indie or not.





Agreed.



Capt. Harlock -> RE: No more "been there, done that" games, please! (1/3/2012 8:26:51 PM)

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D. A re-make of North Atlantic '86. Now that game was a CLASSIC, the best of the 3 grigsby games from the 1980s. Imagine this time "China Sea 2016" where China now is the aggressor and the various nations which surround the China Sea are opposing China's advances. Just take the War in the Pacific game engine and there you go.


Now that is a very interesting idea. But the WitP game engine would have to be tweaked considerably to include all of the various types of missiles. (North Atlantic '86 stretched its game engine almost beyond what the operating system could handle, and it still had to make compromises like each plane carrying only one air-to-surface missile.)

And some speculation would have to be done for the size of China's navy by 2016.



Vincenzo_Beretta -> RE: No more "been there, done that" games, please! (1/3/2012 10:58:37 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Rusty1961
Sorry, I can't stand Schwerpunkt's games. I bought a few and was terribly disappointed. I want the "A" team to develop some games, not some minor-league outfit.


As soon as they have finished they "Skyrim" project Bethesda will start working on "The Elder Wars: Char Asiab" promptly. [8|]



Perturabo -> RE: No more "been there, done that" games, please! (1/3/2012 11:49:11 PM)

quote:


ORIGINAL: Rusty1961
Sorry, I can't stand Schwerpunkt's games. I bought a few and was terribly disappointed. I want the "A" team to develop some games, not some minor-league outfit.



As soon as they have finished they "Skyrim" project Bethesda will start working on "The Elder Wars: Char Asiab" promptly.

I think he meant something like Panther Games or Gary Grigsby, not the lowest common denominator.



sabre1 -> RE: No more "been there, done that" games, please! (1/4/2012 1:03:45 AM)

All I know is that outdated game company Schwerpunkt, gives tons better service than the current Combat Command Matrix Edition development team does. It's a pity too, because the game has the potential to be a classic with just some minor tweaks, but alas no support, and a recent release too.

I lost my copy of the reference card for RGW, and Mr. Dockal sent me a brand new one. This was seven years later. No questions, just showed up in the mail. That's service. I will put up with clunky interfaces for that kind of small developer service. Yep, just call me a Schwerpunkt fanboy. Looking forward to the next one.

Sorry for being OT.



Gilmer -> RE: No more "been there, done that" games, please! (1/4/2012 2:02:20 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: sabre1

All I know is that outdated game company Schwerpunkt, gives tons better service than the current Combat Command Matrix Edition development team does. It's a pity too, because the game has the potential to be a classic with just some minor tweaks, but alas no support, and a recent release too.

I lost my copy of the reference card for RGW, and Mr. Dockal sent me a brand new one. This was seven years later. No questions, just showed up in the mail. That's service. I will put up with clunky interfaces for that kind of small developer service. Yep, just call me a Schwerpunkt fanboy. Looking forward to the next one.

Sorry for being OT.


That's the kind of thing that makes me want to get one of their games. It's like Aegod. They have a guy on the French forum of Aegod who bought WW1 from another website and bought the gold upgrade from Aegod. He's having trouble and Philippe Thibault offered him a link to the full Gold game so that he can get squared away. I bought AACW from not on Aegod website and mentioned there I was having trouble getting it restored (from computer crash) and he offered to let me download the game and trusted that I had a serial number.

Anyway, long story shortened, I might have to look into actually buying a Schwerpunkt game.



jomni -> RE: No more "been there, done that" games, please! (1/4/2012 6:03:13 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: apathetic lurker

I want to see a faithful reproduction of Vietnam War 1965-1975 from Victory Games make it to the PC



There an Advanced Tacics Gold scenario that ports over the Victory Games (no AI since AI is not programed to follow special rules).

There are two things that I'm waiting for in the Matrix lineup that scratches this modern war itch. But still no sight of imminent release. :(
1) John Tiller Campaign Series: Modern Wars
2) Flash Point Middle East



fvianello -> RE: No more "been there, done that" games, please! (1/4/2012 11:19:21 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: apathetic lurker

I want to see a faithful reproduction of Vietnam War 1965-1975 from Victory Games make it to the PC



+1



dan_hnnng -> RE: No more "been there, done that" games, please! (1/4/2012 3:12:24 PM)

I really would love a redo of the Steel Panthers line.
Love the game, but the graphics are just so out of date. The game play is awsome! Would love an upgrade to bring the graphics up to date.
Is there a game that plays like SP, that is newer?
Thanks



Perturabo -> RE: No more "been there, done that" games, please! (1/4/2012 3:17:57 PM)

Steel Panthers was one of the game that has inspired Armored Brigade.



dan_hnnng -> RE: No more "been there, done that" games, please! (1/4/2012 3:21:19 PM)

Any turn based?



dan_hnnng -> RE: No more "been there, done that" games, please! (1/4/2012 3:23:10 PM)

P.S. Love the fantasy mod.



GaryChildress -> RE: No more "been there, done that" games, please! (1/5/2012 3:13:42 AM)

Regarding "been there done that", there's a fuzzy, blurry, line between a game being boring because it's just a rehash of the same thing as yesterday and a game being boring because someone decided to try something radically new and ended up ruining what was once a great game.

To me Age of Empires III is probably a combination of both bad aspects of the above. I played AoE II to death and so AoE III is just more of the same, yet it also incorporates new things like "trade routes" which to me do nothing positive for the game.

I also think many of us are getting to an age (in both computers and in our own lives) where computer gaming is losing a lot of its novelty. There are only so many ways you can package an RTS game or a TBS game before you start to realize you've been playing the same thing over and over for the past 10 years.



sabre1 -> RE: No more "been there, done that" games, please! (1/5/2012 3:53:51 AM)

^+1



jbunnelle -> RE: No more "been there, done that" games, please! (1/6/2012 3:58:12 PM)

WW2 is safe turf. If you go backward, people don't like playing with a drop in tech. If you go forward, you get the drop in scope, among other things. Personally, I am very uncomfortable creating a game from a situation of ongoing suffering, like Afghanistan; I'm thinking mainly of first-person games in saying that. I'm probably in the minority there. The same goes for Vietnam, unless it was accurately portrayed as a Vietnamese war for independence against Western colonialism. Then I'd be in. [:D]



sabre1 -> RE: No more "been there, done that" games, please! (1/7/2012 1:15:27 AM)

Yeah, I fully agree, I want a game that I can go out and stomp on commie socialists in N. Korea, now I can fully support a game like that. Of course it must be accurately protrayed, or I wouldn't play it, you know lots of dead commies all over the place.



Zap -> RE: No more "been there, done that" games, please! (1/7/2012 7:39:26 AM)

+1
As I laugh heartly. Great reply.



JudgeDredd -> RE: No more "been there, done that" games, please! (1/7/2012 8:27:43 AM)

WWII might be "safe turf" - and it's only my thoughts - but there are lots of battles out there that would be "safe turf" - Cold War Germany, Vietnam, 6 Days War and Yom Kippur, The Falklands conflict....they're all desireable - and not just by a handful of people...especially for the younger generation who are growing up with less and less actual knowledge or interest in the second world war.



warspite1 -> RE: No more "been there, done that" games, please! (1/7/2012 8:54:14 AM)

Personally the two areas of warfare I am interested in are WWII and the Napoleonic period.

Warfare post-Hiroshima (with perhaps the exception of the Falklands) just does not interest me. All those missiles, nukes, smart bombs and stuff; no thanks.

Just my 2 cents.



Perturabo -> RE: No more "been there, done that" games, please! (1/7/2012 2:20:09 PM)

My greatest sadness when it comes to this topic is that no one makes semi-realistic sci-fi or science-fantasy wargames any more. Wh40k on computer was used for some relatively realistic games before Rites of War and Firewarrior shifted it into the realm of arcade to never come back again.

A realistic Wh40k wargame centred around the Siege of Vraks or stuff like that could be quite awesome.

Then there was stuff like X-Com...



ezzler -> RE: No more "been there, done that" games, please! (1/7/2012 7:20:32 PM)

You wait twenty years..and then two come at once.

http://www.wargamer.com/news/6952/2k-games-annouces-xcom-enemy-unknown-in-development-by-firaxis-games



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