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If you guys are serious and the game can take a newer resolution, or 32 bit...

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ORIGINAL: TAIL_GUNNER

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If you guys are serious and the game can take a newer resolution, or 32 bit...

I doubt it can handle 32-bit, but I know it can handle 24-bit.

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ORIGINAL: digiartst

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ORIGINAL: Warhorse

Yep, no 3D here, James!! Sorry, I only did what I could do with limited time and resources. Some vehicles I couldn't find decent pics of, so did what I could. I always wished I could get a good camera and models to do just that, as a 1/285th modeller, I painted LOTS of vehicles, still have 'em, painted numbers on the turrets and everything, but a camera and tripod, I have not!!

Mike

If you guys are serious and the game can take a newer resolution, or 32 bit , I have the setup , camera, tripod, turntable lights.. etc, to photograph GHQ miniatures just like TS did. I also have 2 friends that have a lot of the units so I could run tests on them, but what would be a standard resolution you would want the unit to be? the present units are approx 88x88 (give or take depending on unit)indexed color, so are we talking 200x200/32 bit. TS made a deal with GHQ hence if you notice in the old TS manuals they advertised GHQ in the back. Maybe Matrix could swing the same deal for needed units I could not get my hands on.That would still leave terrain but most Terrain could be made in any kind of game toolkit these days, like NWN2 tool kit then reworked in Photoshop.
The German fuel truck is 85% done, it should have been done earlier but I kept building a lot of detail in it you probably would never see, because I work in 3d product development now and everything has to be precise.

So hopefully I will publish some pictures of it tonight, after I get my homework duty done with my kids.

Guys for the tools you had to work with you did a great job, the question is can this game support modern graphics, and would that make it sell more? because that would be a lot of work.

James

Jager56
Digiartst

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ORIGINAL: digiartst
[image]http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q134/Longhornn/opel_CS.jpg[/image]


I wanted to post these asap to show I am the real deal, someone that actually did art for the game.
I hate when somebody new is all wind and no sail so I wanted to get the truck posted asap, I have not checked the camera angle or done anything more to it but build it and throw a quick texture on it.

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ORIGINAL: junk2drive

Very nice. There are times that I wish I could zoom in one more level and have the units look like the first picture.

You know that you will have to upgrade the rest of the Opel based units in the game now. [;)]

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ORIGINAL: Jason Petho

Outstanding, James.

If you create the 6 view vehicles, I am more than happy to create bit's for them and include them in future UPDATES, or even has temporary graphics patches until the UPDATEs are ready.

Hope you're well!
Jason Petho

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ORIGINAL: digiartst

OK Jason: Let me tell you I am an artist and not that technical when it comes to all the programming stuff, so
right now we have to stay in the CS framework, indexed colors, roughly 100x100 resolution, right you aren't asking me to put out 200x200 even though I would love too. we just have to cruise along at the old CS settings right.

James

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ORIGINAL: MrRoadrunner

+1 Junk!

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RR

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ORIGINAL: digiartst

SO if I make a batch program in Photoshop and batch process all the CS art to double res , will it work in the game?

James

Then I would have a better res to do work on but can the game handle the change of base res.

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ORIGINAL: digiartst

SO if I make a batch program in Photoshop and batch process all the CS art to double res , will it work in the game?

James

Then I would have a better res to do work on but can the game handle the change of base res.

You could test one one of existing bmp and bits and see how it looks in your game?

Jason Petho

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ORIGINAL: digiartst
Gentlemen: I was a part of the old Talonsoft graphics team for East Front 2 and West Front. I was not paid staff but a fan. I became a part of the team based on all the graphics mods I did.
To answer your questions, Talonsoft used GHQ Miniatures primed and took photos of them on white lit for no shadow, the miniature was on a small turntable with marks to line up the 6 angles needed for the vehicle.
With East Front 2 they did not have alot of miniatures of the poles or hungarians to call upon . Charlie Uncliss from Talonsoft asked me if I could build the vehicles they needed from line drawing they would provide for me, I built almost all the Romanian units and many of the Polish and Italian trucks and guns that had no miniature representation. also the 6 rad german scout car and one of the other 4 wheel scout cars, basically anything they did not have a miniature for. The reproduction of the rulebook leaves off alot of the old credits or you would see my special thanks credit in the back of the manual.
When I first got East Front the German units were all desert color, so my first mod was to make the units Grey with mud,these are the standard units you see in the Game now. Basically in photoshop I retinted the units grey and pulled keys to only make the brown paint turn grey. I also made snow, and Western Front Camo units, but back in those days you had to manually load the different graphics because they did not write the progam to change the art by Season untill West front came along.
I only did the vehicles so I do not know how the did the terrain. but I was turning out 1 vehicle in 3d a night and I did about 40 vehicles in total ,when I did the camo I chose the big vehicles that the camo would show on the most, that took awhile to digitally paint all the camo schemes so that was the slowest, to turn the brow to grey was the fastest, do a magic wand on the brown and desaturate it , any brown edges left over looked like mud or dirt so that was Ok. To increase the graphic quality would be to increase resolution of the various art pieces, but there are thousands of pieces, now granded the pieces seem to hold up fairly well to a 200% blowup in photoshop then some retouching to bring the blurryness back into sharp but still we are talking about thousands of assets. Would I love to see it you bet.
Could the game engine handle a double the resolution type revamp or would its centers be off and new code have to be written to support the new graphics? That I do not know.
I do know the Mr Rose and the Talonsoft team were a great team to work with, and have to me turned out the best graphics for this level of wargame still to this day. I am also so happy Matrix got this game and have done what they have done so far to improve it.

Here is an example of the tiger tank graphic up-rezed to double resolution. I then adjusted the various values contrast,whites and blacks and got the tiger detail back. Could I get it sharper sure I could with additional reworking in photoshop.


[image]http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q134/Longhornn/up00088.jpg[/image]


The up resed infanrty would give you more to work with , I remember experimenting with waffen SS Camo for the infantry and just not having enough resolution to make it look good, but again the infantry you see in the game came from miniature figures ,sprayed with primer then digitally painted. To get the scale right as some people have wanted which is the infantry in correct size to the vehicles or towns,and still have great detail when zoomed into,it would mean the vehicles would have to be triple res at least. which would mean a simple up-rez would fall apart in detail and have to be replaced by new vehicle artwork from scratch or if Matrix was lucky and was given the high res photos that were taken of the original miniatures ,matrix could digitally paint on the high res pictures making a highly detailed piece of artwork.

I do not see Matrix investing into that so for me I just enjoy the amazing artwork that took at least a year to make by a team of very talented artists.

I hope this kinda sheds a light on how Talonsoft did the original artwork

Digiartst

Formally known as Jager56 for Talonsoft
and part of the Beta Brigade

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ORIGINAL: Dumnorix

Take a look at my 3D units for Panzer Corps. If Matrix will put out a new JTCS I can give all my work. Slitherine have no interest on my WW2 and WW3 art - they will use his own bad unit graphics.
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3057447

H.Balck [:)]

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Dumnorix, the units are nice, but can you make this units in all 6 views and scale that use by CS ?