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NotOneStepBack -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (8/19/2012 8:32:53 PM)

Don't worry, Steiner will hold them off.



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (8/20/2012 8:53:20 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: juret

1. u getting any new good divisions soon?

2. do u have your tiger bats attached to corps or ss divs?

3. do u have 10 airplanes units on each airfield ? - if not disband and make 10 units per airfield


1. Nah, I am getting some Volkssturm soon though [:D]

2. Divs, some SS, and a few normal divs to strengthen them. Same with heavy JagdPanzer batts.

3. No, been thinking about it, also, I really do not need to use my recons anymore at this time, so I can send those away and disband even more airfields.



Terje



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (8/20/2012 8:58:19 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sillyflower

1. clearly massive counter attacks are now your only chance. Suprise will certainly be on your side

2. If only more players had your tenacity................


1. Well, problem is that attacking will only wear my units down way too fast. If I attack with 9 divs (3 hexes) into one enemy hex, I will usually get an unadjusted CV of 1.5 : 1, and in terms of manpower in the battle, I will likely be at 1 : 1.
Those attacks tends to be costly even if I succeed. However, if I see an oppertunity to cut of parts of his forces, I will take it. It is just that in the open the USSR will push my stacks back 9 times out of 10...

2. Then we would see more drawn out games [:D]
Has nothing to do with tenacity imo, has more to do with giving both players their "fun time". 1941-1943 should be Axis fun time (granted, I stopped my fun time in -41[:D]), and the rest of the war should be USSR fun time.
And then there is the element of "how long can I keep virtual Adolf alive" [:D]


Terje



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (8/20/2012 8:58:50 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: NotOneStepBack

Don't worry, Steiner will hold them off.


Hehehe we can always hope


Terje



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (8/20/2012 10:25:25 AM)

Turn 164

Overall
The USSR attacks in waves, and this turn they have some success, so we try to push them back in three locations. Not a good idea on my behalf that...
The 17 USSR attacks resulted in 14 helds and 3 retreats, while our 3 attacks resulted in 2 helds and 1 rout. Not good. Not good at all.

Losses
USSR : 118.000 troops, 1.828 guns, 473 AFVs, 805 AC.
Germany : 59.000 troops, 1.241 guns, 331 AFVs, 58 AC.

Units disbanded
3 airfields and 2 fortified zones.

German pools
Manpower : 156.540
Vehicle : 356.264
Armaments : 0
Hiwi : 2.184



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bigbaba -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (8/20/2012 4:04:11 PM)

with 26k russian tanks this "volkssturm" guys do not need any kind of panzerfaust aiming practice. just hold the damnd thing to east, close your eyes and shoot. you will hit a son of a bitch for sure.[:)]



Flaviusx -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (8/20/2012 5:48:18 PM)

Of course, they'll likely run out of fausts before the Sovs run out of tanks...




Speedysteve -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (8/20/2012 6:35:22 PM)

Then arm then with Sticky Bombs darn it...or Anti Tank Mines....there must be a way of stopping the Bear [;)]



Peltonx -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (8/21/2012 1:19:39 AM)

Very good AAR for late war GHC stuff. You really holding out nicely 82 and 7 in the Berlin area!

I think you will hold out until the major rivers are froozen. Hes only taking 2 hexes a turn and they are spread out at that.

I think you can make it until January 45, which would be great considering he was at the door step of Berlin in April and its August.

Great job man.

ALLOT of very very usfull information.

Thank you very much for playing this out.



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (8/21/2012 6:48:37 AM)

I should actually be able to more or less block the entire front with trucks now [:D]
Not to mention that I could also place airframes all around Berlin to block the entry points.
The only thing I am short of is arms...
So, if anyone has some to spare, I will gladly trade [sm=tank2-39.gif] for [sm=sterb020.gif]. Heck, at this point I would even trade for [sm=00000028.gif] hehe.


Terje



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (8/21/2012 5:15:38 PM)

Turn 165 aka the turn where Oloren decided to shoot down Pelton's prediction [;)]

Overall
Forget Normandie, this turn is what REALLY broke The Third Reich...(well tbh it was my poor play in -41, but let us not mention that now [:D])

25 USSR attacks results in....17 helds and a staggering 8 retreats. We launch two counterattacks, causing 2 routs, and seal off 2 USSR Tank Corps, but we do not have the strength to rout them, so it is silly even to try as that would only drain our divisions that much faster.

Losses
USSR : 122.000 troops, 1.757 guns, 816 AFVs, 938 AC.
Germany : 73.000 troops, 1.970 guns, 437 AFVs, 43 AC,

Units disbanded
2 fortified zones, 1 infantry division (still beating me up over this one, ment to MERGE it...).
2 panzer brigades were merged into one of our worn down panzer divisions.

Volkssturm
...4CV....Yup, those are gonna stop those Red Hordes for sure.

German Pools
Manpower : 212.153
Vehicles : 356.521
Armaments : 0
Hiwi : 206




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Blubel -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (8/21/2012 7:55:15 PM)

I guess you are aware of it, but you have to make sure not to get Magdeburg encircelt, as it is your last supply location.



randallw -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (8/22/2012 8:49:36 AM)

Are those stacks in bad places? There seem to be areas where retreating will be tough and units will rout because there is no regular place to stop.



sillyflower -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (8/22/2012 7:06:03 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: terje439

quote:

ORIGINAL: sillyflower

1. clearly massive counter attacks are now your only chance. Suprise will certainly be on your side


1. Well, problem is that attacking will only wear my units down way too fast. If I attack with 9 divs (3 hexes) into one enemy hex, I will usually get an unadjusted CV of 1.5 : 1, and in terms of manpower in the battle, I will likely be at 1 : 1.
Those attacks tends to be costly even if I succeed. However, if I see an oppertunity to cut of parts of his forces, I will take it. It is just that in the open the USSR will push my stacks back 9 times out of 10...
Terje


It was just my English love of irony



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (8/24/2012 2:23:07 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Blubel

I guess you are aware of it, but you have to make sure not to get Magdeburg encircelt, as it is your last supply location.



Good thing that city is the one hex not getting attacked [:D]


Terje



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (8/24/2012 2:24:13 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: randallw

Are those stacks in bad places? There seem to be areas where retreating will be tough and units will rout because there is no regular place to stop.


Yes and no. Yup, they might rout, but on the other hand they are well dug in, and serve as a stopping force, delaying the USSR, and MP is high in all my units, so think most will retreat, not rout.


Terje



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (8/24/2012 2:25:30 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: sillyflower
It was just my English love of irony


Just goes to prove how tired I am after work, not picking up on irony, my friends would be shocked if they ever found this thread, so shhh!!!


Terje



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (8/24/2012 2:30:16 PM)

Turn 166

Overall
Well, Virtual Adolf just ordered himself some new Cyanide-capsules as the USSR is now at the gates of Berlin...
18 USSR attacks resulting in 8 helds, 9 retreats and 1 rout is not good, yet we hold parts of the front...Just too bad we do not hold the entire front. The LW paid the heaviest price when we freed our encircled brothers in arms with our one attack. Well atleast I have plenty of PLANES to spare... Will not be long now.

Losses
USSR : 111.000 troops, 1.458 guns, 711 AFVs, 770 AC.
Germany : 64.000 troops, 1.558 guns, 387 AFVs, 102AC.

Units disbanded
1 fortified zone.

German pools
Manpower : 258.941
Vehicle : 359.894
Armaments : 0 seems any call to arms would be precisely that, a call to ARMS...
Hiwi : 146




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bigbaba -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (8/24/2012 4:28:48 PM)

well adolf better calls admiral dönitz soon.:)

looks desperate.



juret -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (8/24/2012 5:51:14 PM)

move all your high cv panzers to berling and stack em up?

reinforce the panzers corps with loads of support units. up to 18 can defend urban areas i think

u got 352 admp..



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (8/24/2012 5:56:25 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: bigbaba

well adolf better calls admiral dönitz soon.:)

looks desperate.


As opposed to since the blizzard of -41 you mean [:D]



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (8/24/2012 5:57:09 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: juret

move all your high cv panzers to berling and stack em up?

reinforce the panzers corps with loads of support units. up to 18 can defend urban areas i think

u got 352 admp..


Yeah was thinking about it, will see what I can get in there. All of them allready have 3 SUs each so nothing more to spend points on at this time.



juret -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (8/24/2012 6:45:48 PM)

corps can add 18 units. the 3 extra units the 3 divisions in one hex doesnt count for that.


i would relocate all heawy armours and heawy tank destoyers to the best morale pz divs and allocate 3 to each of them.
additonly i would attacks many AT and stug and arty units (18) to the corps defending each hex in berlin

hex 1 --corp1- 18 support units- 3 strong PZ divisions with 3 strong support units each
hex 2--corp2-18 support units -3 strong PZ divisions with 3 strong support units each
hex 3--corp3-18 support units -3 strong PZ divisions with 3 strong support units each

hex 4,5,6 pz regs and brigades belonging to corp 1,2,3 in reserve mode



juret -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (8/24/2012 6:46:47 PM)

or mayby make corp 1,2,3 6 support units each and move them into same army and add at least 12 units to that army.



Tophat1815 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (8/24/2012 8:48:58 PM)

Keep on plugging away........the Fat lady hasn't started to sing just yet.



Schmart -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (8/24/2012 9:09:16 PM)

I'd be sending all my best PanzerGrenadiers to Berlin, each loaded with SUs, and Korps HQs loaded as well.

Terje, maybe you can provide a screenie or two of some examples of how you've got your units deployed/beefed up and what you have in HQs?

And hey, at least your turn-around time for game turns is probably pretty quick at this point! Gotta think of the positives [;)]



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (8/25/2012 10:13:51 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: juret

corps can add 18 units. the 3 extra units the 3 divisions in one hex doesnt count for that.


i would relocate all heawy armours and heawy tank destoyers to the best morale pz divs and allocate 3 to each of them.
additonly i would attacks many AT and stug and arty units (18) to the corps defending each hex in berlin

hex 1 --corp1- 18 support units- 3 strong PZ divisions with 3 strong support units each
hex 2--corp2-18 support units -3 strong PZ divisions with 3 strong support units each
hex 3--corp3-18 support units -3 strong PZ divisions with 3 strong support units each

hex 4,5,6 pz regs and brigades belonging to corp 1,2,3 in reserve mode


The thing ofc is;
if I take my panzers away from the front, the front will crumble, and when the front crumbles, Berlin will be surrounded, so I can only count on the three hexes IN Berlin, nothing around it...



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (8/25/2012 10:14:21 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Tophat1812

Keep on plugging away........the Fat lady hasn't started to sing just yet.


She's been singing since -41 [:D]
Good thing she sings a looong song though [:D]



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (8/25/2012 10:14:58 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Schmart

I'd be sending all my best PanzerGrenadiers to Berlin, each loaded with SUs, and Korps HQs loaded as well.

Terje, maybe you can provide a screenie or two of some examples of how you've got your units deployed/beefed up and what you have in HQs?

And hey, at least your turn-around time for game turns is probably pretty quick at this point! Gotta think of the positives [;)]


Will get some screenies for you.

Hehe yeah it does not take too long to finnish my turn these days [:D]



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (8/25/2012 10:19:16 AM)

Turn 167

Overall
The first USSR attack on Berlin is repulsed with ease, but that was no proper attack, and probably just Oloren spending some MPs hoping he got lucky enough to reduce the fortification levels of the city. All in all, most of the USSR attacks was repulsed this turn.
10 attacks were made, 8 were held and 2 ended in our forces retreating. Moreover, those retreats were on the edges of our still exisiting line, so no big loss really.
We are however scraping the barrell for whatever remains, apart from airframes anf Tigers, that is not much really...

Losses
USSR : 77.000 troops, 906 guns, 321 AFVs, 941 AC.
Germany : 31.000 troops, 695 guns, 182 AFVs, 26 AC.

Units disbanded/merged
2 infantry divisions were merged together, and 2 fortified zones were disbanded.

German pools
Manpower : 227.450
Vehicles : 362.315
Armaments : 0
Hiwi : 110




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