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Tophat1815 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/9/2012 2:12:59 PM)


I'd follow Pelton's advice. Also how is that battle for Leningrad progressing? Glad you have gotten paint to work again. How about a few pics of the whole front and an OOB update?

With any luck you'll lull him into doing some premature attacking and cut his penetrations off during winter!



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/10/2012 11:17:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Karri

I'd say you are doing pretty bad. About 100-300km where Axis usually is...?


Yup [:)]



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/10/2012 11:20:46 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Pelton

1. Did you take Leningrad?

2. Things might look bad, but you can turn things around in 42 if you do not get wiped out during blizzard by a cav/mech crazy tactic.

I have seen a few AAR's where the German does badly during 41, but is able to really turn tables in 42.

3. It 100% depends on what the Russian does during blizzard, most russian blizzard's are really realy poor as few have figured out how to get around the logistics model other then a few.

Unless you friend has been talking to TDV I would expect the blizzard to be a cake walk and your forses should be very strong by summer. Go right for Moscow as its really not to hard to take during 42 and he will be forsed to defend it. This will give you allot of chances to pocket units of which he will be forsed to buy back.

4. Pull all your panzer units off line during the last turn of snow. Put mech units in citys close to front as you can use them as needed.

I personally pull 9 to 12 divisions from 18th army off line also, putting them close to front in citys.

5. Start pushing east during snow and clear spring turns. What your OOB look like.

Pelton


1. Nope, got pinned down in the north.
2. Yes, I will have to attack like crazy in 1942
3. I fear Oloren plays the game way better than me, so the blizzard should be interesting. He does however have alot of cav/armoured units on the frontline, so it does not seem like he is gathering them to prepare for the blizzard, atleast not yet.
4. Will do, thank you.
5. Will do, and will post OOB in the next update.

Terje



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/10/2012 11:21:42 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Tophat1812


I'd follow Pelton's advice. Also how is that battle for Leningrad progressing? Glad you have gotten paint to work again. How about a few pics of the whole front and an OOB update?

With any luck you'll lull him into doing some premature attacking and cut his penetrations off during winter!


Leningrad will remain in the hands of the USSR atleast untill 1942.
Will make a few screenshots in the next update.


Terje



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/10/2012 12:15:02 PM)

Turn 17

Overall
The USSR managed to bring their units through the two hex gap, so in the end we managed to do nothing with the pincer move. That is not entirely true. It kept me from pushing east, and it have left my troops concentrated on a very narrow sector, which again means my ability to push all along the front has been severely diminshed. An operation that failed miserably in other words.
2 more partisans are chased away this turn. We only manage 48 attacks, scoring 16 held, 29 retreats, 2 routs and 1 surrender.

Losses
USSR : 102.000 troops, 1.312 guns, 52 AFVs, 293 AC.
Axis : 47.000 troops, 444 guns, 114 AFVs, 65 AC.

Units destroyed
1 rifle division surrenders.

Pools
Manpower : 35.442
Vehicle : 167.085
Armaments : 32.192
Hiwi : 90.213





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terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/10/2012 12:15:29 PM)

Maps



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terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/10/2012 12:15:56 PM)

Moving northwards




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terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/10/2012 12:16:18 PM)

Further north



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terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/10/2012 12:16:49 PM)

You get the drill by now




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terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/10/2012 12:17:07 PM)

Last one



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terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/10/2012 12:17:26 PM)

OOB



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Flaviusx -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/10/2012 5:04:01 PM)

There's no need to pull back the cav and organize it for the blizzard until the rasputitsa hits.

Not gonna lie: the Soviet is very much in the driver's seat here. His army is big for this point in the game and your advance fell way short.



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/10/2012 6:41:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Flaviusx

There's no need to pull back the cav and organize it for the blizzard until the rasputitsa hits.

Not gonna lie: the Soviet is very much in the driver's seat here. His army is big for this point in the game and your advance fell way short.



Yup, that was the result when the pocket failed to form. Had I succeeded (guess I could have rerun the save or something to get the result I "needed", but to me that is cheating and a no no. I took a gamble and failed), the USSR would have lost more than 50 divisions (as counted by my esteemed opponent).
So, would I have done the same again? Probably [:D]


Terje



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/10/2012 6:45:59 PM)

Turn 18

Overall
Mud, so only a few attacks this turn. Our recon flights show a massing of USSR Cav and Armoured divisions behind their line, I will have to keep flying recon flights. Losses report seems somewhat off again. All in all only 6 attacks (not counting chasing away one partisan) this turn, resulting in 3 retreat, 1 rout and 2 surrender.
Apart from that, we rearrange the front somewhat so that our forces are more evenly distributed.

Losses
USSR : 27.000 troops, 279 guns, 0 AFVs and 36 AC.
Axis : 38.000 troops, 109 guns, 53 AFVs and 23 AC.

Units destroyed
3 USSR Rifle Divisions surrender this turn.

Pools
Manpower : 37.658
Vehicle : 157.673
Armaments : 32.019
Hiwi : 91.734




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randallw -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/10/2012 9:21:45 PM)

Those aren't tank divisions; they are tank brigades.



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/11/2012 1:02:10 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: randallw

Those aren't tank divisions; they are tank brigades.


I certainly hope so [:)]

Terje



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/11/2012 1:05:29 PM)

Turn 19

Overall
Since nothing has changed (I've taken a total of 4 hexes this turn), there is no map. We make 8 attacks, scoring 2 held, 4 retreat and 2 routs. We do however trap one division that should be forced to surrender next turn. Another 2 partisan units have been forced to retreat this turn.

Losses
USSR : 44.000 troops, 341 guns, 15 AFVs, 59 AC.
Axis : 33.000 troops, 143 guns, 26 AFVs, 33 AC.

Pools
Manpower : 42.114.
Vehicle : 144.541.
Armaments : 44.741
Hiwi : 94.388.



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/12/2012 11:45:13 AM)

Turn 20

Overall
The mud is still here, so attacks are limited. We manage to isolate two USSR divisions in the far south, not sure if they will manage to break out next turn or not. The losses report only gave actual battle casualties for the USSR this turn while our losses are attrition+combat. The USSR tries to save the unit that was encircled last turn, but their one attack fails as it recieves a held result. We launch 6 attacks, scoring 1 held, 2 retreats, 2 routs and 1 surrender. The held result was supplied by our valiant Rumanian allies.

Losses
USSR : 13.000 troops, 199 guns, 0 AFVs, 32 AC.
Axis : 25.000 troops, 108 guns, 17 AFVs, 33 AC.

Units destroyed
1 rifle division and 1 PVO AA regiment were destroyed by our infantry.

Cities Captured
Despite muddy conditions, our forces take the city of Velikie Luki this turn.

Pools
Manpower : 44.790
Vehicle : 139.053
Armaments : 61.223
Hiwi : 95.352

Pest control
1 partisan unit showed itself, and was chased away this turn.

Concerns
I am too used to the USSR production screen. I feel the German panzer production is scaringly low.




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terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/12/2012 10:49:31 PM)

Turn 21

Overall
Still mud, so nothing really happens. We make the few attacks we can, and force two units to surrender. A total of 8 attacks results in 3 held, 3 retreat and 2 surrender.
Like the officers of the Wehrmacht during WWII, I find myself more and more concerned about the upcoming winter (well blizzard that is). Guess orders should be given to stop our troops from reading books about the Napoleonic Russia campaign...

Losses
USSR : 17.000 troops, 229 guns, 0 AFVs, 7 AC.
Axis : 25.000 troops, 132 guns, 19 AFVs, 25 AC.

Total losses
USSR : 2.175.000 troops, 31.449 guns, 12.357 AFVs, 6900 AC.
Axis : 575.000 troops, 5.501 guns, 2437 AFVs, 1.130 AC.

Units destroyed
2 infantry divisions surrender this turn. The first divisions to be "permanently" destroyed in the campaign.

Pools
Manpower : 48.294
Vehicle : 138.850
Armaments : 79.359
Hiwi : 96.691

Pest control
2 partisan units are forced away this turn.

Concerns
Trying to figure out why the USSR are focused where they are, and why they have the units they do in the places they do.





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terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/13/2012 9:58:27 AM)

Turn 22

Overall
The ground freezes, and we launch attacks all along the line. The hope is to make two pockets, but this turn actually had me screaming at the screen in frustration as the USSR commanders deployed their reserves in the worst possible (for me, best possible for the USSR) battles, halting our advance a little shy of what I wanted. A total of 76 attacks were made, resulting in 13 held, 61 retreats and 2 routs.

Losses
USSR : 160.000 troops, 2.494 guns, 96 AFVs, 290 AC.
Axis : 44.000 troops, 520 guns, 116 AFVs, 36 AC.

Pools
Manpower : 51.228
Vehicle : 143.117
Armaments : 96.116
Hiwi : 98.313

Pest control
3 partisans were chased away.

Concernc
Will we manage to get our pincers to link up this time?




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comsolut -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/13/2012 4:33:21 PM)

Those mountains in the north appear to be a poor axis upon which to launch an attack?



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/13/2012 6:38:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: comsolut

Those mountains in the north appear to be a poor axis upon which to launch an attack?


Should be able to push through just south of the mountains. Have not seen any enemy unit there, so if he goes there he shoould be in the open and easy to relocate....I hope [:D]


Terje



smokindave34 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/13/2012 7:32:54 PM)

Be careful trying to establish the pocket west of Kursk, you don't want to get your panzers/motorized units stuck out in no man's land during the blizzard. I'd only attempt it if I knew I could form the pocket on the first turn of snow and then destroy the pocketed units on the 2nd snow turn. I've gotten my armor/motorized units hammered by the Soviet AI trying to force a pocket late in the '41 campaign - a human opponent would just make it even more painful.



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/13/2012 8:01:26 PM)

Historical weather is a blessing for noobs like me [:)]
I know how long I can keep my panzers around before having to fall back, a valuable bit of information I would say, but your point is very valid, and I am indeed afraid of being caught in the open when the winter really hits.
If I see that I am too slow to seal the pockets we will abort the attacks, but if we succeed we should remove some USSR units from the map and make blizzard more "enjoyable" for our own guys.


Terje



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/14/2012 5:17:25 PM)

Turn 23

Overall
The USSR sees the danger (managed to write "damage" in the picture below, too tired atm...) and pulls back. We trap three units,and that will be that for the winter. Our panzers will be railed to Poland to spend the Blizzard there, and we are currently just flipping hexes to make the USSR have to march further before they can attack our main line when Blizzard arrives. We manage 36 attacks, scoring 6 held, 24 retreats and 6 routs this turn.

Losses
USSR : 54.000 troops, 962 guns, 49 AFVs, 166 AC.
Axis : 41.000 troops, 420 guns, 93 AFVs, 48 AC.

Pools
Manpower : 54.326
Vehicle : 145.217
Armaments : 103.548
Hiwi : 99.122

Pest control
2 partisans are dispersed.

Thoughts so far
I am far better suited at playing the USSR, and I suck at that. Seems the USSR allows more faults during the game than the Axis.

Operational Question
I have placed some fortified zones on hexes with forts. The question I am not sure about is; should I disband these when the USSR comes close to save the armaments, or keep them there to boost the defensive value of the hex?




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karonagames -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/14/2012 5:46:34 PM)

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The question I am not sure about is; should I disband these when the USSR comes close to save the armaments, or keep them there to boost the defensive value of the hex?


With the new slower entrenchment rates in bad weather they will probably not have a chance to increase entrenchment levels before you are forced to disband them. If you have used them to stop the decay of pre-existing lvl2/3 entrenchments, then that is probably worth the expenditure of APs and and Arm. Points.

I am afraid I am covering my eyes for the next 14 turns of this AAR - I don't think the Red Army has been damaged or disrupted enough to prevent a strong Blizzard offensive. I hope I am wrong, and that you won't need to bring the panzers back from Poland!



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/14/2012 6:20:04 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BigAnorak

quote:

The question I am not sure about is; should I disband these when the USSR comes close to save the armaments, or keep them there to boost the defensive value of the hex?


With the new slower entrenchment rates in bad weather they will probably not have a chance to increase entrenchment levels before you are forced to disband them. If you have used them to stop the decay of pre-existing lvl2/3 entrenchments, then that is probably worth the expenditure of APs and and Arm. Points.

I am afraid I am covering my eyes for the next 14 turns of this AAR - I don't think the Red Army has been damaged or disrupted enough to prevent a strong Blizzard offensive. I hope I am wrong, and that you won't need to bring the panzers back from Poland!


They were used to prevent decay, but should I keep them in place when I have units in the forts?
Yes, I fear the upcoming turns as well [X(]

Terje



Blubel -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/14/2012 6:52:55 PM)

No. The men and armaments are to important for the Germans. Disband them if the enemy is near.



Walloc -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/14/2012 9:47:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BigAnorak
I am afraid I am covering my eyes for the next 14 turns of this AAR - I don't think the Red Army has been damaged or disrupted enough to prevent a strong Blizzard offensive. I hope I am wrong, and that you won't need to bring the panzers back from Poland!


Hi Terje,

Dont wait until the last snow turn to run. U need space between the two of u or u will get slaugthered. Tho not totally similar to my first pbem game where i played russian. Its not that far from. German waited until last turn before blizzard to run so i caught up with him easily. He lost around 44 inf regs, around another full 15 inf divs, in all with regs about 5 mot divs and a 3 Pz divs IIRC. If ur opponent knows what he is doing u got no chance. Sorry, but all u can do in that case is run and u need space between ya to keep him from catching up. It will leave u far back yes i know, but the german summer 42 offensive in our game is extremly limited and i can sorta attack where he isnt strong. At leased enough to cause him casulties he cant afford long term, while i can.

Kind regards,

Rasmus



CheerfullyInsane -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/14/2012 10:42:36 PM)

Terje,

Any chance of a pic of the far south?
That's where I love to attack in the Blizzard, lots of open ground for the cavalry, and usually thinly held by the Germans.



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