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terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/27/2012 12:53:58 PM)

Turn 34

Overall
The USSR manage to force two surrenders this turn, and we decide that we need to attack some of the more exposed USSR positions. Well, when 900 men beat off 30.000 you know you are in for a treat. The USSR launch a total of 37 attacks, scoring 5 held, 25 retreats, 2 surrenders and 5 routs. They also manage to form yet another pocket, this one we did manage to reopen, but now we need to hold it for a turn or two, going to be close.
We make 13 attacks, scoring 5 held, 3 retreat and 5 routs.

Losses
USSR : 75.000 troops, 631 guns, 378 AFVs, 214 AC.
Axis : 118.000 troops, 1.298 guns, 92 AFVs, 10 AC.

Units lost
We lost quite a few units;
34th Infantry Division, 45th Infantry Division, 52nd Infantry Division, 79th Infantry Division, 192nd StuG battalion, 750th Pioneer Battalion, 5th Machine Gun Battalion, 3/31st SP Flak Company.

Pools
Manpower : 71.657
Vehicle : 142.464
Armaments : 176.545
Hiwi : 0

Pest control
3 partisan units are forced to retreat.




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terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/27/2012 6:07:37 PM)

Turn 35

Overall
So, the defenders of Nikolaev decided to surrender instead of routing...Great. And the USSR resealed the pocket this turn for good. Nice. All in all I will have lost 12 divisions in 3 turns...
The USSR launch 58 attacks, scoring 3 held, 46 retreats, 8 routs and 1 surrender while we make 12 attacks for 6 held, 3 retreats and 3 routs.
Morale is at an all time low atm, even worse than in the previous game.

Losses
USSR : 104.000 troops, 937 guns, 320 AFVs, 223 AC.
Axis : 118.000 troops, 1.292 guns, 68 AFVs, 36 AC.

Units lost
198th Infantry Division, 22nd Airlanding Division, 1st Rumanian Cavalry Division, 741st Pioneer Battalion, 744st Pioneer Battlaion are all lost at Nikolaev.

Pools
Manpower : 74.571
Vehicle : 145.340
Armaments : 183.351
Hiwi : 9

Pest control
4 partisans run away this turn.




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randallw -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/27/2012 6:54:36 PM)

Hey, just another two or three turns of suffering in the blizzard! [;)]



Tophat1815 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/27/2012 7:26:21 PM)


I think at least these loses of divisions will all be rebuilt eventually.



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/29/2012 1:23:31 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: randallw

Hey, just another two or three turns of suffering in the blizzard! [;)]


Well...That should bring my number of lost divisions up to 20 [:D]


Terje



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/29/2012 1:24:17 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Tophat1812


I think at least these loses of divisions will all be rebuilt eventually.


Most of them will, but still I am out alot of units by now, and my offensive capabilities were just further hamstrung (see below).


Terje



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/29/2012 1:32:08 PM)

Turn 36 aka It does not rain, it pours

Overall
Not only did we lose tons of troops this turn, the USSR even managed to form yet another pocket, this time trapping two infantry divisions and two panzer divisions. Did we manage to dislodge the 1 CV armored brigade? Nah. Do we still have southern front? Nah. Do we have any real chance of success? Nah. Do we have alot of offensive power left when the season reopens? Nah. So, right now I am contemplating digging in and just form some assault groups and trap whatever we can before falling back to a defensive line again.
The USSR launch 67 attacks, scoring 9 held, 42 retreats, 2 shatter, 2 surrender and 12 routs. We launch 11 attacks, scoring 3 held, 3 routs and 5 retreats.

Losses
USSR : 53.000 troops, 683 guns, 258 AFVs, 182 AC.
Axis : 145.000 troops, 1.696 guns, 30 AFVs, 45 AC.

Units lost
Another bad turn, the following units were lost;
260th Infantry Division, 167th Infantry Division, 267th Infantry Division, 31st infantry Division, 255th Infantry Division, 8th SS Cavalry Brigade, 654th Panzerjager battalion, 210th StuG battalion, 15th Rumanian Infantry Division, 8th Rumanian Infantry Division.

Pools
Manpower : 83.151
Vehicle : 147.882
Armamanets : 178.325
Hiwi : 4

Pest control
6 partisans were chased away. Guess this is about all I am doing ok.




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RCHarmon -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/29/2012 3:48:48 PM)

I am a fight front guy and I will fight for every square mile, but not in the 1941 blizzard. I have learned to run. Blizzard is almost over, just run. Don't lose any panzers. You should have them in the rear in cities, you will need them to restore your lines come snow. There is no need to try to restore lines or free pocketed units. You will lose more units trying to save units. If a unit is pocketed go on it will just be worse getting even more units cut off. Your opponent could have made things much harder for you if he had built more cav units.

In the 1941 blizzard consider all your Romanian units as not there or empty shells. Any front held by them will be gone because they were never really there.

If you chose to continue the game I can give you some pointers. This game, if you continue, will probably end in Berlin.



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/30/2012 12:24:10 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: RCH

I am a fight front guy and I will fight for every square mile, but not in the 1941 blizzard. I have learned to run. Blizzard is almost over, just run. Don't lose any panzers. You should have them in the rear in cities, you will need them to restore your lines come snow. There is no need to try to restore lines or free pocketed units. You will lose more units trying to save units. If a unit is pocketed go on it will just be worse getting even more units cut off. Your opponent could have made things much harder for you if he had built more cav units.

In the 1941 blizzard consider all your Romanian units as not there or empty shells. Any front held by them will be gone because they were never really there.

If you chose to continue the game I can give you some pointers. This game, if you continue, will probably end in Berlin.


Off course this game continues. I will make my last stand in Flensburg or somewhere if need be, but yes, the game is lost.


Terje



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/30/2012 5:29:12 PM)

Turn 37

Overall
Well, atleast the USSR did not manage to trap any more units this turn. On the other side, the front is now back where it was on turn 4... And some Austrian located in East Preussia and/or Berlin decided to dismiss von Leeb, Küntze and List this turn.
The USSR launched no less than 59 attacks, scoring 7 held, 44 retreat, 6 rout, 1 shatter and 1 surrender (which is odd as there were two stacks that surrendered...).
We made 4 attacks scoring 2 retreats and 2 routs. We are also seeing more and more guard units on the map. As if things were not bad enough allready [:)]

Losses
Something is wrong with the losses report again... Too tired to add up all the attacks for this turn, so will only post what was listed.
USSR : 3.000 troops, 48 guns, 80 AFVs, 17 AC.
Axis : 36.000 troops, 102 guns, 7 AFVs, 2 AC.

Units lost
4th Panzer Division, 10th Panzer Division, 10th Motorized Division, 197th Infantry Division, 521st Jagdpanzer battalion, 654th Pioneer battalion, 45th Pioneer Battalion, 10th Rumanian Infantry Division.

Pools
Manpower : 86.870
vehicle : 144.590
Armaments : 185.315
Hiwi : 6

Pest control
5 partisan units are chased away this turn.




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AFV -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/30/2012 6:37:39 PM)

Is there a reason to have troops up by Tallinn? They are going to be cut off.



sillyflower -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/30/2012 11:26:09 PM)

Terje

There remains an heroic quality to your failures which makes your AAR complusory and compulsive reading. You perhaps have something of Mr Macawber in you

For those readers not familiar with Dickens, Mr M sailed through all of life's disasters with a stubborn belief that something would eventually turn up.

It did in the end. If life follows art I look forward to tales of Terje's victory in WiTE 2.



randallw -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/31/2012 3:53:17 AM)

Yikes! The German held territory is alarmingly small.



Farfarer61 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/31/2012 5:30:09 AM)

Don't forget sea movement.



Tophat1815 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/31/2012 6:41:05 AM)

Dear God this is Feb42'.......[X(] this is bad.....i know bad and trust me this is it.



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/31/2012 12:34:18 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: AFV

Is there a reason to have troops up by Tallinn? They are going to be cut off.


Nah, the USSR push in the north is not strong enough. Should be able to hold untill spring.


Terje



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/31/2012 12:35:38 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: sillyflower

Terje

There remains an heroic quality to your failures which makes your AAR complusory and compulsive reading. You perhaps have something of Mr Macawber in you

For those readers not familiar with Dickens, Mr M sailed through all of life's disasters with a stubborn belief that something would eventually turn up.

It did in the end. If life follows art I look forward to tales of Terje's victory in WiTE 2.


Heroic I do not know, failures, absolutely [:D]
Hehe the difference between me and Mr Macawber is that I know that there is no silver lining anywhere, I am just plain old stubborn [:D]


Terje



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/31/2012 12:36:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: randallw

Yikes! The German held territory is alarmingly small.


Nah, it is close to non-existent [:D]



Terje



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/31/2012 12:36:40 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Farfarer

Don't forget sea movement.


In what aspect? In an USSR amph assault?


Terje



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/31/2012 12:38:25 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Tophat1812

Dear God this is Feb42'.......[X(] this is bad.....i know bad and trust me this is it.


Haha I know bad as well, and I kinda expected this turnout, although I had hoped it would not be for another 18 months [:D]

All there is to say is that I am outplayed in every aspect, and I respect that. All I will have to do now is take whatever comes my way and order another two million digital men to their deaths [:D]


Terje



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/31/2012 12:43:57 PM)

Turn 38

Overall
Seems the USSR juggernaught is running out of steam. Number of attacks is halved, and they do not really take much ground. We nevertheless abandon some hexes to avoid any chance of losing even more units. In the south we are rushing some LW regiments to help out, although we have reestablished a frontline there now. The USSR launch 34 attacks, scoring 3 held, 23 retreats, 7 routs and 1 shatter. We only make two attacks, scoring 2 retreats.
Since people are shocked by the Axis-held territory, this turn we present a map to really show the dire situation.

Losses
USSR : 77.000 troops, 551 guns, 139 AFVs, 147 AC.
Axis : 63.000 troops, 546 guns, 17 AFVs, 8 AC.

Units Lost
The 5th Rumanian Cavalry Division shatters.

Units destroyed
The USSR 45th Sapper Regiment is destroyed during combat.

Pools
Manpower : 80.089
Vehicle : 145.862
Armaments : 198.491
Hiwi : 0

Pest control
4 partisans are hunted down this turn.




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karonagames -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/31/2012 2:25:28 PM)

If I can offer some advice for the 1942 campaign - I think it is really important that you do not go on the defensive, and that you rebuild your and your troops morale by making "grinding" deliberate infantry attacks with mechanised units in offensive reserve that have high odds and good chance of success. I think you could grind your way to the Pskov/Vitebsk/Dneiper river line, getting your infantry morale up to the mid-70s, where you could dig in to give yourself a reasonable chance to hold him in 1943, using the reserve activation tactics outlined in Pelton's 8421 AAR. All is not lost and you can still hold Berlin at the end of the game, which would count as a major victory from this situation.



Zonso -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/31/2012 2:43:21 PM)

What an interesting AAR, thanks Terje! It really seems you got behind the eightball early on in hurting the Russian enough and it has simply snowballed from there. I'm not sure I agree with BigAnorak's take on '42, this game's balance goes from one extreme to the other with very, very little in between and once the tipping point has been reached it is basically finished. However, I am curious what happens if you continue to play on.



gids -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/31/2012 6:09:23 PM)

anorak is right im the living shining example,he did an excellent job with the germans,i made way less mistakes then with tarhunnas and i still lost moscou leningrad stalingrad,he didnt make huge superpockets not even in 42
but still theres no holding it,i carpetted the whole dam place(which i think is ridiculous but ok),the only mistake i maybe made is that i gave up ground to fast.....but tbh thats what every commander would do ,if your threatened to closed in with 1000000 men,i tried with tarhunnas the offensive aproach (we saw how that went),so your forced to let a few hundreds thousands to be closed in to stall him and i simply refuse to do that ,but the game punishes that with giving the germans amazing supply :p,and till 43 you dont have the forces for that,so basically till 43 you have a VERY good chance to achieve all you want  in the game if you find the cracks to go though,i will take a rest from the game because it nerves me to much,the game suply system should be mechanized automatically with depots that needs to be build and can be broken down or destroyed,i read a book once about the ardennesoffensive where the german panzers got stalled after some km simply because  they ran out of fuell,in WiTe they NEVER seem to run out of it ,they keep going and going and going ,and if they dont have railway the just deliver tons and tons with the airforce,and we all know how good the russian airforce is in the game



vicberg -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/31/2012 6:24:26 PM)

BigAnorak's approach is making rethink the game.  I've felt that encirclements and cities have to be the 41 goals.  Push and expand at suicidal paces.  Now, I'm starting to think that preserving the German army, attacking with favorable odds and loss ratios and being opportunistic with the panzers is the way to go.  It's not quite as exciting but it prepares better for the blizzard and can still achieve dramatic results in 42 against any type of defense.  The beauty of this approach is if the Soviet stacks EVERYTHING on the front lines (to prevent favorable odds), the tactics can immediately change over to the standard punch holes and encircle. 

I wish I had done this in my game against Viktor.  It's so compelling that I'm considering a pullback to straighten lines (they are totally stretched right now), prepare for blizzard and starting the grind approach in 42. 



gids -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/31/2012 6:38:55 PM)

yea its pretty ironic,conserve your forces from 41 to 42 so then you can actually attack against a russian army thats Bigger but still weak and you can still achieve what you want,while it should be the other way around.....,but its a liable tactic but not really how it should be



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/31/2012 8:29:28 PM)

Will make a reply to you all in one post [:)]


Well I think you are all right, however I also think that I did not bag enough USSR troops in this game for it to be winnable. And nah, I will not go on the defensive, but I think I will need to rethink the use of my minors, and keep some of them behind the front and do nothing but some digging. Right now my main concern is the low level of TOE in my units.

Sorry got to go, clan wars in world of tanks and I am badly needed.

More later.

Terje



CarnageINC -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (3/31/2012 9:38:59 PM)

I commend you on continuing your game Terje, I didn't quite reach the timeline you did with my Sillyflower game but I couldn't stomach the tromping I got from a well played game by Sillyflower [:(]  I shall be watching your AAR, thanks for posting.



M60A3TTS -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (4/1/2012 12:19:47 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: terje439
Sorry got to go, clan wars in world of tanks and I am badly needed.


What do you run with in clan wars?



terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (4/1/2012 8:46:35 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS


quote:

ORIGINAL: terje439
Sorry got to go, clan wars in world of tanks and I am badly needed.


What do you run with in clan wars?


Depends on the map, Maus/E100/T54/GW TypE/IS7 are the most used.
(Yes I've played alot [:D])


Terje



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