RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren

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Tophat1815 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (4/21/2012 4:26:09 PM)
The feigned retreat is a very good idea,you need to get the reds out of those forts if you want any hope of some land victories. Your right,best to stop pounding your head into his iron curtain for now.

RCHarmon -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (4/21/2012 5:17:00 PM)
Pull your left flank back and set it on Riga. This will give you more troops by shortening your line and put them in a more defensible position. You are fighting defensively now, get your panzers rested and refitted. What you will do with them is plug holes. What you will want to do with them is too cut off spear heads. You should still have powerful panzer forces. To do the most damage with them is in effective counter attacks and trying to cut off spear heads. The best use of them might be in reserve mode as you might give the Soviet some nasty surprises or in spoiling attacks. This may not be the case as soon he will be attacking with rifle corps. You will see portions of your line getting hit by 300k men at once. Keep Romania in the war as long as possible. This will be a Soviet target. That ground is all good tank ground. It will require sufficient panzer forces. I forget when the Romanians will turn(When they lose a certain city) the Romanian forces will turn against you at that point. Before that happens make sure you use them up on the front lines against the Soviets. Always have a second and third defensive line in your mind and if you can get some troops digging on that 2nd line do it. I am surprised that you have the men available to build forts. In your coming defense try not to lose anymore divisions. With proper panzer support you shouldn't lose too many more. Only defend behind rivers, rough terrain, etc where possible. Don't try to hold ground anymore. Be willing to fall back. You should know before he launches his attacks as you will see an increase in cav and mobile units. At this point(in the game) it takes the Soviet player some time get a force properly ready to go on the offensive. The game will slow down and be a bit boring until he does launch his attacks, but then you will be on the edge of your seat trying to hold the hordes off. Defense in depth when possible. Even if this means only having one division on the front line and a second division right behind it. The Soviet player will not be fully able to make significant attacks until '43. You could still make some spoiling attacks which you should, as they will disrupt the Soviet timing. Put some panzers around Riga before you fall back. If he follows to quickly you might be able punish him some.

terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (4/22/2012 11:37:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: glvaca Personally, I'd consider resigning and restarting. You'll not learn a lot from continuing the game and it won't be a lot of fun. I know you are a very sportive player but sometimes it's better to quite and restart. With the lessons learned in this game, you'll most likely have a much more fun experience in the next. Ah, you assume I actually learn [:D] Anyway, I will reply to this with a (now legendary) exchange of words in a WiF-CON. Germany : Ah well, I failed, the game is over, I resign. Commonwealth : Listen sonny, you had your fun, now it is our time to push you around. You will keep playing! Which translate into : Oloren has done a superb job/I did a poor job. I will not deny him the glory of taking Berlin. Terje

terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (4/22/2012 11:39:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BigAnorak Hi Terje: You should never expect an initial raw 2:1 odds attack to be successful; you have to allow for GG's randomness and the likelihood of reserves. These days I make deliberate attacks with 3-4:1 raw odds with reserves in the area. Hasties need to be 4-5:1 with offensive reserves available as they have a lot more variance and can get crucified by reserves. You have to counter his reserves with your reserves. edit: If you don't think you can force him east of the Dneiper in 1942, then it will be a short game, but at least you will get a chance to get your reserve units doing what the soviets are doing to you now! edited edit: You could try a feigned retreat, and see if he leaves his level 3's; once he is out of entrenchments you should have more chances with your attacks. Once you get to the line you want to defend, if he moves into contact keep attacking to force him back from your line but don't move into the vacated hex, this has the triple benefit of reducing attrition, reducing fatigue and rebuilds your morale: in my game with gids, it took him a few turns to figure out what I was doing, so my infantry morale increased and CVs went up from 4 to 5. I actually only PRAY that those 2:1 will succeed, but it is the best I am able to get. The problem with a retreat is that it WILL produce a general Axis rout as that also means leaving MY level 3 forts. So atm I push where I can, trap what I can and dig like crazy to the rear. Terje

terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (4/22/2012 11:41:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tophat1812 The feigned retreat is a very good idea,you need to get the reds out of those forts if you want any hope of some land victories. Your right,best to stop pounding your head into his iron curtain for now. Yes and no. It makes sense but my units are too weak and the USSR too strong, so falling back invites a general USSR offensive. I will play this one as AH and hold for the time being. Terje

terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (4/22/2012 11:44:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RCH Pull your left flank back and set it on Riga. This will give you more troops by shortening your line and put them in a more defensible position. You are fighting defensively now, get your panzers rested and refitted. What you will do with them is plug holes. What you will want to do with them is too cut off spear heads. You should still have powerful panzer forces. To do the most damage with them is in effective counter attacks and trying to cut off spear heads. The best use of them might be in reserve mode as you might give the Soviet some nasty surprises or in spoiling attacks. This may not be the case as soon he will be attacking with rifle corps. You will see portions of your line getting hit by 300k men at once. Keep Romania in the war as long as possible. This will be a Soviet target. That ground is all good tank ground. It will require sufficient panzer forces. I forget when the Romanians will turn(When they lose a certain city) the Romanian forces will turn against you at that point. Before that happens make sure you use them up on the front lines against the Soviets. Always have a second and third defensive line in your mind and if you can get some troops digging on that 2nd line do it. I am surprised that you have the men available to build forts. In your coming defense try not to lose anymore divisions. With proper panzer support you shouldn't lose too many more. Only defend behind rivers, rough terrain, etc where possible. Don't try to hold ground anymore. Be willing to fall back. You should know before he launches his attacks as you will see an increase in cav and mobile units. At this point(in the game) it takes the Soviet player some time get a force properly ready to go on the offensive. The game will slow down and be a bit boring until he does launch his attacks, but then you will be on the edge of your seat trying to hold the hordes off. Defense in depth when possible. Even if this means only having one division on the front line and a second division right behind it. The Soviet player will not be fully able to make significant attacks until '43. You could still make some spoiling attacks which you should, as they will disrupt the Soviet timing. Put some panzers around Riga before you fall back. If he follows to quickly you might be able punish him some. The men digging behind the lines are the units set to rest and refit. They serve a dual purpose I guess you might say, also the Italians are good diggers. I still need some time before I can fall back though, so I have to keep showing some strength at the line to keep him at bay. As to the strength of my Panzers. The USSR just forced 3 German PZ Divs to retreat... The game will not be a long one, but we will dig, dig, dig, then dig some more before we can pull back without causing a general rout I fear. Terje

terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (4/22/2012 11:50:30 AM)
Turn 56 Overall Things could definitively be better. The USSR attacks a stack of 3 Pz Divs and force them to retreat... On the other hand, we do trap 6 USSR divisions this turn, and my opponent has informed me that he fears for his southern line. Good thing he does not see just how bad things are on this side. We launch 16 attacks and score 5 held, 9 retreats and 2 routs. The USSR launch 6 attacks and get 6 retreats as results. Any day Berlin holds past 01.01.43 is now a bonus. Furthermore our AFV pools are not an encouraging read... Losses USSR : 95.000 troops, 1.006 guns, 226 AFVs, 332 AC. Axis : 57.000 troops, 817 guns, 364 AFVs, 39 AC. Pools Manpower : 184.494 Vehicle : 206.368 Armaments : 261.254 Hiwi : 7 Pest control 5 partisans are delt with. Strategy I still need time to get a proper fallback line set up, and I need it in place before I can fall back, if not, the USSR will simply push my weak divisions aside. So, for the time being I need to show some strength at the line. Is it the right decision? I see that you all do not think so, but I fear what The Bear will do to me in open terrain, so I simply do not dare fall back at the moment. [image]local://upfiles/11504/D78CE3670EBB4E5D8092433F217243B6.jpg[/image]

terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (4/23/2012 5:20:05 PM)
Turn 57 Overall The USSR break the pocket formed last turn, we reform it, but the number of trapped units is down from 6 to 3. Also a concern is that the USSR seems to be testing our frontline by attacking in various locations from time to time. Even worse is that they force a retreat wherever they attack. We are digging like mad, and hope to fall back to shorten our line in 10 turns. The USSR OOB is starting to look ridiculus by now. We launch 10 attacks and score 2 held and 8 retreats, while the USSR launch 4 attacks and score 4 retreats. Losses USSR : 90.000 troops, 1,096 guns, 114 AFVs, 269 AC. Axis : 42.000 troops, 600 guns, 94 AFVs, 46 AC. Pools Manpower : 187.467 Vehicle : 210.998 Armaments : 250.248 Hiwi : 7 Pest control 5 partisans pop up and are promptly delt with. [image]local://upfiles/11504/7B84C5B49ED542E5901703DD1F5EAD99.jpg[/image]

glvaca -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (4/23/2012 7:18:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: terje439 quote: ORIGINAL: glvaca Personally, I'd consider resigning and restarting. You'll not learn a lot from continuing the game and it won't be a lot of fun. I know you are a very sportive player but sometimes it's better to quite and restart. With the lessons learned in this game, you'll most likely have a much more fun experience in the next. Ah, you assume I actually learn [:D] Anyway, I will reply to this with a (now legendary) exchange of words in a WiF-CON. Germany : Ah well, I failed, the game is over, I resign. Commonwealth : Listen sonny, you had your fun, now it is our time to push you around. You will keep playing! Which translate into : Oloren has done a superb job/I did a poor job. I will not deny him the glory of taking Berlin. Terje [:D] RESPECT! [sm=Cool-049.gif]

terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (4/24/2012 2:52:47 PM)
Turn 58 Overall So, the USSR reopens the pocket we formed last turn. Not really a shocker. We also encounter the first USSR tank corps as they push through our line north of the Pripjet. We have some reinforcements within distance, so we seal the opening in the front, and cut off one USSR tank corps in doing so. Nevertheless, the USSR launch 10 attacks this turn, scoring 3 held and 7 retreats. We make 13 attacks, scoring 1 held, 9 retreats and 3 routs. All we pray for now is some more turns to make sure the entire front is as well protected as the Finnish front is at the moment. Losses Seems off this turn again. USSR : 32.000 troops, 647 guns, 151 AFVs, 57 AC. Axis : 34.000 troops, 426 guns, 78 AFVs, 8 AC. Pools Manpower : 190.936 Vehicle : 214.927 Armaments : 239.797 Hiwi : 3 Pest control We eliminate three partisan units this turn. [image]local://upfiles/11504/EF98A3FE2FE34C2DB29B6B68570A7F0D.jpg[/image]

Tophat1815 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (4/24/2012 11:29:32 PM)
Wow.........summer of 42' and the Reds have no worries on the Finnish front and also 9 million troops. It's bad alright.

terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (4/25/2012 2:45:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tophat1812 Wow.........summer of 42' and the Reds have no worries on the Finnish front and also 9 million troops. It's bad alright. Yup, since I did not activate the Finnish attack-line-thingy (great wording, right [:D]), all my Fins could do was to dig in. And Yup, things are bad indeed. I think things will go downwards quite soon if I am to judge from the increased ammount of USSR attacks per turn. Terje

Tophat1815 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (4/25/2012 5:06:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: terje439 quote: ORIGINAL: Tophat1812 Wow.........summer of 42' and the Reds have no worries on the Finnish front and also 9 million troops. It's bad alright. Yup, since I did not activate the Finnish attack-line-thingy (great wording, right [:D]), all my Fins could do was to dig in. And Yup, things are bad indeed. I think things will go downwards quite soon if I am to judge from the increased ammount of USSR attacks per turn. Terje Hey you deserve kudos for sticking with this loosing hand. Now your just trying to go out with style.

terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (4/26/2012 3:05:23 PM)
Turn 59 Disclaimer Nothing really worth showing, so no pic this turn. Overall The USSR keeps pushing. I need to hold some more turns, so we pray the USSR does not realize this, but things are looking grimmer and grimmer. We finally force a surrender, at this time we make the most of this in our newspapers to boost morale. Of course it does not really matter, but it is always nice to kill of a unit. The USSR makes more attacks than us this turn with a total of 14. They score 3 held and 11 retreats. We manage 10 attacks and score 1 held, 6 retreats, 2 routs and 1 surrender. In the rear we keep building our defences. Some more time is needed, hopefully we will keep the front untill the defences are ready. Losses USSR : 102.000 troops, 1.193 guns, 425 AFVs, 309 AC. Axis : 53.000 troops, 810 guns, 87 AFVs, 28 AC. Units destroyed One tank corps surrenders this turn. Pools Manpower : 196.450 Vehicle : 219.788 Armaments : 223.017 Hiwi : 61 Pest control Another 6 partisan units pop up, they are promptly delt with.

randallw -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (4/26/2012 11:55:08 PM)
Just hold on until 1943, and the Luftwaffe field units will turn the tide! [:D]

terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (4/28/2012 9:31:11 AM)
Turn 60 Disclaimer Again nothing really worth taking a picture of. Overall Our forces are now not even capable of pushing back the USSR units when they are in the open. Need to hold the line for some more turns to make sure we have a proper line to fall back to. When we start to fall back, operation No More Rumanians will be implemented to maximize the rest time for our German units. The USSR make 5 attacks and score 1 held and 4 retreats. We make 7 attacks and score 5 helds, 1 retreat and 1 rout. Losses USSR : 74.000 troops, 649 guns, 252 AFVs, 276 AC. Axis : 45.000 troops, 691 guns, 123 AFVs, 12 AC. Pools Manpower : 197.459 Vehicle : 224.576 Armaments : 212.890 Hiwi : 62 Pest control 4 new partisans show up, and are all forced to retreat.

terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (4/29/2012 2:49:45 PM)
Turn 61 Overall A USSR breakthrough towards the Pripjet force us to abandon the north and pull back to release forces. I fear this is only the beginning... We make two attacks and score 1 held and 1 retreat, while the USSR score 9 retreats. Losses USSR : 11.000 troops, 169 guns, 153 AFVs, 206 AC. Axis : 34.000 troops, 500 guns, 79 AFVs, 22 AC. Pools Manpower : 212.003 Vehicle : 228.285 Armaments : 192.368 Hiwi : 323 Pest control 3 partisan units are delt with this turn. [image]local://upfiles/11504/FC2FA777412845EEBE3F0750EF404775.jpg[/image]

sj80 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (4/29/2012 4:51:40 PM)
Hey Terje, I'm sure this was a hard decision, but it was the right decision. I hope you can stabilize your line in the area north-east of Riga. [&:] Whats your situation in the center and south?

bigbaba -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (4/29/2012 9:51:27 PM)
arg, that looks more like 1944 then 1942. hope you can hold the line and inflict 3:1 loses to the red army.

Tophat1815 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (4/29/2012 10:34:02 PM)
Well we shall see if defensive victories ca come to the fore now. The Reds have to be really feeling it and trying for a kill here while he has you running. He might well overextend himself.

terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (4/30/2012 1:00:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sj80 Hey Terje, I'm sure this was a hard decision, but it was the right decision. I hope you can stabilize your line in the area north-east of Riga. [&:] Whats your situation in the center and south? Actually I could have held the north, but the front was too long, the centre is my main headache atm, so we are digging in, trying to make a somewhat shorter line there as well. The south. I have but one word. Rumanians [:D] Terje

terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (4/30/2012 1:01:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bigbaba arg, that looks more like 1944 then 1942. hope you can hold the line and inflict 3:1 loses to the red army. I think I should be able to hold around Riga as the troops I have in that sector is quite ok in morale and TOE, we'll see about the losses though. Yup, this is an early -44 [;)] Terje

terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (4/30/2012 1:03:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tophat1812 Well we shall see if defensive victories ca come to the fore now. The Reds have to be really feeling it and trying for a kill here while he has you running. He might well overextend himself. My main problem is that it does not seem so, he seems to pick his battles well (I knew he would), and I need to restabilize the centre and strengthen the south before I am somewhat near confident, but we will see. Atleast in the south I have alot of lvl 2-3 fort lines he needs to push through. I need some more turns in the south to dig a proper line, when that is done, I will leave the Rumanians at the front and start to pull back some Germans. Terje

terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (4/30/2012 1:08:40 PM)
Turn 62 Overall Good things first. We are at the Riga line in the north, that has shorthened the front dramatically, and should see us free up some units next turn. The bad news is that the USSR is now really dangerous in the centre and the south, thankfully we are soon done with our second fallback line in the south. At that time the Rumanians will be sacrificed to preserve the German units. We only make 1 attack this turn, we do score a rout on a pesky Guards Cavalry Corps, so that is something atleast. The USSR make 9 attacks, score 3 held, 5 retreats and 1 rout, and threathen to cut off 6 divisions in the south. Losses USSR : 58.000 troops, 517 guns, 305 AFVs, 262 AC. Axis : 28.000 troops, 323 guns, 39 AFVs, 25 AC. Pools Manpower : 204.320 Vehicle : 228.296 Armaments : 205.371 Hiwi : 27 Pest control 5 new partisan units pop up, and are delt with. Atleast the area I have to counter partisans in just got alot smaller... [image]local://upfiles/11504/E9C891164B4D41F88E830CF90CC1ABEE.jpg[/image]

Omat -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (4/30/2012 1:38:18 PM)
Hello I see you have planty of admin points. Is von Kluge still alive? I think he would be a better commander for the AGN instead List. Hope you can offer some resistance against the soviet. Omat

bigbaba -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (4/30/2012 3:02:20 PM)
i think the worst thing (for the germans) he could do is just to stop attacking until mid 43 to get a unbeatable strength.[sm=Tank-fahr09.gif]

terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (5/1/2012 6:26:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Omat Hello I see you have planty of admin points. Is von Kluge still alive? I think he would be a better commander for the AGN instead List. Hope you can offer some resistance against the soviet. Omat Yeah, not alot to use those on atm, just for making forts. Will look for von Kluge next turn, but think he was fired by AH. We'll try our best to resist them (it will probably end up like the soldiers taking on those USSR tanks in the movie Stalingrad, but who cares [:D]) Terje

terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (5/1/2012 6:28:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bigbaba i think the worst thing (for the germans) he could do is just to stop attacking until mid 43 to get a unbeatable strength.[sm=Tank-fahr09.gif] According to his own words, Oloren is vary of the major rivers, and will probably wait for winter to tackle those lines. The south on the other hand...Well, atleast some of my panzers are back to strength now, and will try to make him vary in the south as well, will go for his spearhead next turn. Terje

terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (5/1/2012 6:32:29 PM)
Turn 63 Overall Once more the USSR make more attacks than us, but I can live with that rather than to make headless attacks. Now all the USSR attacks occur in the south, but atleast three panzer divisions are back to strength, and will strike his spearhead next turn. More units are doing two things at once, resting and digging that is. In the end, the USSR make 8 attacks, and score 1 held, 5 retreats and 2 routs. Our 5 attacks ammount to 2 helds, 2 retreats and 1 rout. Our Hungarians are performing very well, if only the Rumanians could learn from their neighbour... Losses USSR : 63.000 troops, 534 guns, 189 AFVs, 292 AC. Axis : 31.000 troops, 381 guns, 43 AFVs, 18 AC. Pools Manpower : 210.649 Vehicle : 232.053 Armaments : 226.244 Hiwi : 19 Pest control 4 units pop up, and 4 units run away. [image]local://upfiles/11504/838B35397D5F4E28ABCC59E4523FAA68.jpg[/image]

terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (5/2/2012 5:51:28 PM)
Turn 64 Overall The USSR attack in th south, and threathen to cut off 9 divisions. However the timely arrival of our panzers reduce the danger, and I think that if a pocket forms, we should be able to reopen it, and we have allready saved 3 of those 9 divisions (the map below is before we started to pull our divisions out of the salient). The USSR make 19 attacks, scoring 3 helds, 11 retreats, 1 shatter, 1 rout and 3 surrenders. The surrenders were fortified zones I thought I could keep one more turn. Seems I was wrong. We launched 13 attacks, and scored 3 helds, 4 retreats and 6 routs. Losses USSR : 83.000 troops, 947 guns, 481 AFVs, 307 AC. Axis : 45.000 troops, 675 guns, 52 AFVs, 32 AC. Pools Manpower : 220.454 Vehicles : 236.844 Armaments : 230.647 Hiwi : 0 Pest control We chase away the 4 units that pop up this turn. [image]local://upfiles/11504/8227EB3F213F4D9599B5BD248169FB6F.jpg[/image]

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