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adsoul64 -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/7/2012 3:01:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58 There are analyses on the open forum by Alfred, and in AARs by Nemo, which show very clearly how your contention is incorrect. PH knows what he's doing. Do some research, OK? What's that? I haven't found any open forum, could you please post the link? Many thanks

Historiker -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/7/2012 3:05:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: adsoul64 quote: ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58 There are analyses on the open forum by Alfred, and in AARs by Nemo, which show very clearly how your contention is incorrect. PH knows what he's doing. Do some research, OK? What's that? I haven't found any open forum, could you please post the link? Many thanks He calculates how much point Japan can get when it bombs the West Coast strategically. I think he is wrong, because his whole explanations doesn't take the opponent into consideration. He tells how many industry is in Zero-range of the base at Prince Rupert(?) or whatever the name of the base on the northern tip of the big canadian island off Seattle is. He forgets that his base starts undeveloped and can be pounded day by day with 4es. Also, SLOC for the Allies are almost non existant, as they have a huge shipyard virtually everywhere. So while they can save alsmost every ship, the Japs will loose ships in huge numbers. I'd love to see Alfred try this against me.

witpqs -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/7/2012 3:06:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: geofflambert quote: But he uses a bigger letters! That should be worth something, no? [;)] My eyes ain't so good anymore. [img]http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-confused013.gif[/img] I wish everybody used bigger letters. One easy way is this: to make all the text on a web page larger, press Control + (the control key and the plus key at the same time). Each time you do that makes it one size larger. Control - (minus key) makes it one size smaller. Control 0 (zero) goes back to the normal size. Notice that all three of the keys (+ - 0) are next to each other.

Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/7/2012 4:02:58 PM)
Never underestimate the psychology involved in all types of warfare. A war, campaign or battle is decided in the combatants heads more than it is on the field of battle. There is a reason why bayonets were rarely ever used in battle (with a few notable exceptions of cource).

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/7/2012 5:19:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: adsoul64 quote: ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58 There are analyses on the open forum by Alfred, and in AARs by Nemo, which show very clearly how your contention is incorrect. PH knows what he's doing. Do some research, OK? What's that? I haven't found any open forum, could you please post the link? Many thanks This is not from the open forum, but from the AAR of CR's game versus Q-Ball. Read it, or not, with that proviso. Alfred and others discuss many things besides the West Coast. Note that the situation there and in this game might vary based on the in-game date in each assumption. http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2518166&mpage=10&key=west%2Ccoast (More info sent by PM.)

adsoul64 -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/7/2012 9:03:35 PM)
Basically, I agree with you

modrow -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/7/2012 9:20:58 PM)
Historiker, quote: ORIGINAL: Historiker He calculates how much point Japan can get when it bombs the West Coast strategically. I think he is wrong, because his whole explanations doesn't take the opponent into consideration. He tells how many industry is in Zero-range of the base at Prince Rupert(?) or whatever the name of the base on the northern tip of the big canadian island off Seattle is. He forgets that his base starts undeveloped and can be pounded day by day with 4es. Also, SLOC for the Allies are almost non existant, as they have a huge shipyard virtually everywhere. So while they can save alsmost every ship, the Japs will loose ships in huge numbers. I'd love to see Alfred try this against me. Wasn't the context the hypothesis "there is nothing to be found for a Japanese player up there" ? I think he showed that there is something to be found if you look correctly. The question you raise is whether what can be found can be gained if the Allied respond appropriately. If I may say so, the reaction you propose does no longer sound like "ignoring the move" to me. A second aspect to think about may be if the mere threat is suited to tie assets in place that could be put to good/better use elsewhere. Personally, I don't think the answer is as easy as you make it sound. And, btw - based on my assessment of Alfred (which may be as wrong as every single one of my opinions), I assume you would not want him to try it against you. Really. Just my 2cts. Hartwig

Historiker -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/7/2012 9:23:10 PM)
While you are right that this might have been a response to "there's nothing up there to gain", I still want to see him doing this with me.

modrow -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/7/2012 9:41:52 PM)
Historiker, quote: ORIGINAL: Historiker While you are right that this might have been a response to "there's nothing up there to gain", I still want to see him doing this with me. Me too. [sm=00000613.gif] Hartwig

modrow -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/7/2012 9:43:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund Never underestimate the psychology involved in all types of warfare. A war, campaign or battle is decided in the combatants heads more than it is on the field of battle. There is a reason why bayonets were rarely ever used in battle (with a few notable exceptions of cource). OODA. Which makes this thread just as interesting as out of the box thinking applied IMHO Hartwig

Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/7/2012 9:47:04 PM)
As suspected, the counterstrike fell...but hit nothing. One thing surprises me though, he keeps his carriers in three TFs. Apparently all the USN CVs are in the NEI now. He lost 10-15 fighters from his carrier airwings as leaking CAP from his carriers tangled with my Zero sweeps from Ambon. That is a really good trade for me, he can trade his CV aircraft for my land-based Zeros any day of the week. I am a bit dissapointed that my Bettys at Ambon did not fly. His CVs are 10 hexes from Ambon and there were plenty of Zeros on escort aswell. [image]local://upfiles/1562/054BE4C9EB73427B992295983F927CA6.jpg[/image]

Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/7/2012 9:55:42 PM)
I was actually toying with the idea to send CVE Hosho on a suicide mission alone, loaded with 12 Vals and 9 Zeros. I think his CVs will retreat tomorrow. I want them to retreat west, away from the northpac. I have set the Betty/Zero range at Ambon to 14, in two units, one at 2k and one at 8k. The Bettys are escorted by two separate Zero wings with escort altitudes 2/8 aswell. I think these units have a pretty good chance to penetrate the CV CAP. My intel reports that he lost 10-15 of his Wildcats/Buffalos, meaning that his CV CAP is probably in very bad shape right now. If he retreats east, I will probably be able to launch against him, even if he hugs the Australian coast. But my idea was to send the Hosho on a speed run south-east. From there she would be able to launch against a coast-hugging CVTF. Yes, she would probably be sunk by the CV airunits, but perhaps the CVE could trigger a react-move north (into Betty range), and most likely she would be able to launch her Vals.

Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/7/2012 10:00:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hartwig.modrow OODA. Which makes this thread just as interesting as out of the box thinking applied IMHO Hartwig I miss Nemo. I hope he will come back to these forums.

Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/7/2012 10:08:01 PM)
By the way (cant check right now) does anyone know roughly what sort of forces start in Canada?

SqzMyLemon -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/7/2012 10:54:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund I am a bit dissapointed that my Bettys at Ambon did not fly. His CVs are 10 hexes from Ambon and there were plenty of Zeros on escort aswell. Was weather a factor? I've found the Betty threat isn't as effective as a lot of Allied players suggest, especially when you have trouble getting them to react and in the air. Besides the obvious suggestions of HQ, air unit leadership of high inspiration, air and aggression skills for your Betty units, how crowded is Ambon at the moment? I've found if you limit a level 4 airbase to just one Betty and Zero unit they tend to fly much more often than if the airbase is near stacking capacity with other units. My other PBEM opponent and I have come to this conclusion after experiencing many times Allied shipping within range of Betty's, but the bombers never flying on a naval strike mission. Once we restricted a base to just Zero's and Betty's/Nell's we found they were launching more often. I can't explain it, but it worked for us and the number of sorties increased.

Cribtop -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/8/2012 5:03:23 AM)
In my experience, a Netty launch up to about 10 hexes occurs fairly regularly. 10-14 hexes is pretty iffy. I think the strike doesn't have enough time to tool around trying to find the spotted TF at those ranges as you often get "9 Bettys can't locate target due to range or weather" messages even in clear skies conditions.

ChezDaJez -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/8/2012 5:41:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PaxMondo quote: ORIGINAL: geofflambert At this time of year, things are getting very brisk up there. Very shortly you will not be able to operate aircraft carriers because everything (and I do mean everything) will be covered in sheets of ice. IRL, yes. In game, the winter effects are pretty mild if you keep your speed down. And the early IJ landing bonus ignores the winter effect. PErsonally, not sure of this campaign; but I am watching with interest. I do see some posiblities I hadn't thought of before, but still not sure they work out. Great to watch though. Aleutian weather is quite misunderstood. I spent 2 years stationed on Adak and a couple of deployments and detachments there so I think I have some experience there. In reality, there are more clear days in winter than in summer. Temperature seldoms drops below 20F at night and tends to hover between 32 and 40F in the day. Snowfall tends to be relatively light, no more than a couple of inches at a time usually but blowing snow can be an issue. Its not uncommon to have a bright sunny day yet be in a whiteout due to blowing snow. Wind is always a problem with a calm day being about 20kts. Windchill can really put a "chill" on things. Pity the poor mechanic who has to work outside on an engine 10 feet off the ground. Water is far more an issue than ice as the airfiled drainage tends to be poor due to the airfield at Adak being built on part of the lagoon. Ice typically comes and goes rather quickly. I can't tell you how many times the base police made us chain up to drive the half mile to work and then you had to take the chains off in the afternoon because everything melted. It was easier to walk. Williwaws with winds over 100kts are fairly common during the fall and spring months. Fog is the main problem in summer and is very prevalent. When there is no fog then you have the omnipresent overcast at about 2-3000ft. Navigation is a bear as many a crashed aircraft in the Aleutians will attest to. Temperatures tend to average in the mid 50s in summer. Anyways, my two cents worth. Chez

geofflambert -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/8/2012 6:02:23 AM)
Excuse me

witpqs -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/8/2012 6:14:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: geofflambert quote: ORIGINAL: witpqs quote: ORIGINAL: geofflambert quote: But he uses a bigger letters! That should be worth something, no? [;)] My eyes ain't so good anymore. [img]http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-confused013.gif[/img] I wish everybody used bigger letters. One easy way is this: to make all the text on a web page larger, press Control + (the control key and the plus key at the same time). Each time you do that makes it one size larger. Control - (minus key) makes it one size smaller. Control 0 (zero) goes back to the normal size. Notice that all three of the keys (+ - 0) are next to each other. Son of a B witpqs! I bet you work for the Geek Squad. I bet you eat White Castles for lunch. Now be honest! [:D] Only had White Castle once, and that was just to try them. Started working with computers in the mid 1970s although they only had a GUI (gooey) if you spilled coffee with cream and sugar on one!

geofflambert -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/8/2012 6:17:03 AM)
Pardon me

geofflambert -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/8/2012 6:20:04 AM)
witpqs, you sound like you're as ancient as me! I love those little ratburgers, but I wish they would introduce another option - garlic burgers!

Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/8/2012 3:39:47 PM)
A quick look at China. Today we achieved the objectives for January 1942, which was nice, considering it is January 1st today. At first glance, it might seem like a defeat for me when we both lose 7k casualties in a battle. But I have plenty of supply, and I dont think he does. And my target for China right now is to kill 350 enemy squads per month. He won the battle, he forced me to retreat. But more battles like this will win me the war. I think Nanyang will be a good place to bleed the Chinese army. Think of this place as the Verdun of the chinese front. I want to kill 350 squads per month while his supply levels dwindle, and in 5-6 months, I will go on the offensive. So, I will move around in a threatening way, making him think I am going for an offensive push here. Meanwhile I will try to make him attack isolated Japanese units to force similar losses like the one today. [image]local://upfiles/1562/6C3F77069B73406BA0C3AD8741FF3DA7.jpg[/image] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 85,46 (near Nanyang) Allied Shock attack Attacking force 54359 troops, 349 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1852 Defending force 18246 troops, 154 guns, 53 vehicles, Assault Value = 652 Allied adjusted assault: 845 Japanese adjusted defense: 420 Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: experience(-) Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-) Japanese ground losses: 7468 casualties reported Squads: 194 destroyed, 206 disabled Non Combat: 98 destroyed, 64 disabled Engineers: 10 destroyed, 19 disabled Guns lost 46 (19 destroyed, 27 disabled) Vehicles lost 12 (7 destroyed, 5 disabled) Units retreated 2 Allied ground losses: 7019 casualties reported Squads: 349 destroyed, 211 disabled Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 146 disabled Engineers: 16 destroyed, 11 disabled Guns lost 46 (33 destroyed, 13 disabled) Defeated Japanese Units Retreating! Assaulting units: 67th Chinese Corps 45th Chinese Corps 2nd Chinese Corps 59th Chinese Corps 68th Chinese Corps 32nd Chinese Corps 75th Chinese Corps 26th Group Army Defending units: 34th Division 1st Ind.Mixed Brigade

Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/8/2012 4:01:42 PM)
And the situation in the eastern NEI. The US CVs retreated west, which is good in many ways. Time to launch the next offensive in this area. I give you Operation NATALIE The ultimate objective of the operation is to render Darwin useless as a forward base for the allied forces. At the same time, the operation is designed to create the impression that Australia is under threat of invasion. By striking already now, we will reinforce the impression that the allies cannot stop us or even delay us, despite the number of forces they commit. This should serve to further undermine Canoerebels confidence in his forces and his ability to interfere with our plans. The goal is to build up several airbases that can interdict shipping to Darwin, as well as reduce the bases at Darwin and Katherine to rubble. This will serve two purposes: 1) Remove allied offensive capability 2) Create the impression that an attack on Australia is imminent. If I do this right, I can probably get Canoerebel to reinforce Australia heavily. Perhaps he will also keep his CVs in this area. [image]local://upfiles/1562/7007D8723E5F4BD6A1D33874E3E50482.jpg[/image]

Historiker -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/8/2012 4:07:50 PM)
quote: Allied Shock attack Attacking force 54359 troops, 349 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1852 Defending force 18246 troops, 154 guns, 53 vehicles, Assault Value = 652 Allied adjusted assault: 845 Japanese adjusted defense: 420 Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: experience(-) Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-) Japanese ground losses: 7468 casualties reported Squads: 194 destroyed, 206 disabled Non Combat: 98 destroyed, 64 disabled Engineers: 10 destroyed, 19 disabled Guns lost 46 (19 destroyed, 27 disabled) Vehicles lost 12 (7 destroyed, 5 disabled) Units retreated 2 Allied ground losses: 7019 casualties reported Squads: 349 destroyed, 211 disabled Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 146 disabled Engineers: 16 destroyed, 11 disabled Guns lost 46 (33 destroyed, 13 disabled) Defeated Japanese Units Retreating! Assaulting units: 67th Chinese Corps 45th Chinese Corps 2nd Chinese Corps 59th Chinese Corps 68th Chinese Corps 32nd Chinese Corps 75th Chinese Corps 26th Group Army Defending units: 34th Division 1st Ind.Mixed Brigade Does it make any sense in SA here? My experience is, that SA always leads to much higher losses. I bet he'd be better off just to DA. Or does your experience tell you that your losses would've significantly been lower in that case?

Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/8/2012 4:22:35 PM)
He attacked across a river, so he had no choise. Generally its a bad idea to shock against units with high firepower imo.

adsoul64 -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/8/2012 4:49:56 PM)
quote: At the same time, the operation is designed to create the impression that Australia is under threat of invasion Do you plan to send some dummy invasion fleet as well? I'd strongly advice against sending around Darwin since this is not the right way to invade Australia and CR woudn't probably take the bait. I think that landing at Darwin will finally lead IJA to a deadlock because it will take for ever advancing from Darwin with his poor road/rail net. IMHO a "true" Australia invasion would start from western Coast... but those are only the 2 cents of a novice and I would be happy to learn opinions from more experienced players. P.S. Indeed, striking Darwin is the right move, for every Japanese willing Australia has to remove the threat coming from this base.

SqzMyLemon -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/8/2012 7:08:45 PM)
I don't know if this post is warranted or not, but a recent post in the general forum has me concerned over possibly doing PH a disservice and bringing undo attention to a discussion of the feasibility of a campaign in the North Pacific. The timing, to say the least, is rather poor and to be raising issues about conducting operations in the North Pacific considering PH's recent moves is almost an OpSec breach in my opinion, especially when it was specifically stated that the topic was being removed from discussion within the confines of this AAR to not "clutter" it. I'd just like to caution people that Canoerebel may very well pick up on this and he's no dummy. He may very well deduce that PH is attempting a major operation in the North Pacific and act accordingly. So please be aware of what you are posting and the possible implications to this PBEM. Regards

Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/8/2012 7:32:18 PM)
Another turn passes. Rabaul A strong SCTF tried to intercept my landings at Rabaul. One CA together with a modern CL escorted by six destroyers tangled with my SCTFs protecting the landing site. A dreadful performance from my ships saw the battle end in a draw. 3 CAs should do better than not score a single hit in a night-time engagement with ranges down to 8k yards. A lone CA together with a lone DD fared better in the second round and scored some hits. But overall the results were pitiful...just pitiful. Timor What must be the Hermes appears and launches a few Swordfish against some transports of mine. Some of my ships sunk, no real loss. But what puzzles me is what the &%#� my Bettys at Ambon are doing. Instead of launching against the enemy carriers, they launch a strike at a longer distance hitting some transports unloading at Koepang. Seriously WTF! Malaya Johore Bharu falls, and the invading army rails south to meet up and regroup at the base before the assault on Singapore. Philippines 38th Div arrives from Hong Kong. We attack tommorrow. I want to break this pocket of resistance as soon as possible. China I have decided on overall approach. South China - Defend, but pretend to attack Central China - Verdun North China - the big push. I will attack in the far north with the objective of removing supply sources. Huge forces being gathered in northern China to go on the offensive in a month or so.

Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/8/2012 7:47:15 PM)
Something odd in the northpac by the way. I landed an infantry batallion at Juneau. I figured it would make short work of the AV0 base force starting there. Amazingly enough, my AV was adjusted to 8, while his 1 was adjusted up to 10. [:@] We try again tomorrow, but the reinforcements will land today. I dont want to have them floating around in case some odd SCTF appears. When the Fleet HQ and large baseforce lands, Canoe will know the game is up in the north. Same at Cold Harbor, my infantry regiment with 120 AVs are having one hell of a time trying to pry the base from an AV10 baseforce. What ...is...happening. This is throwing off the timetables something fierce. I was planning to recombine the 2nd Division at Anchorage by now. Instead Im pinned down...

Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/8/2012 7:55:57 PM)
A quick overview of three important areas right now. [image]local://upfiles/1562/C9F016E475BC45BA8F23BCED796C8A91.jpg[/image]

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