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Cribtop -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/27/2012 2:48:49 AM)

And IIRC there are no "extra" reinforcements triggered until you get past a hex row much deeper into Canada.



Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/28/2012 9:37:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ckammp

Initial OOB:

Dutch Harbor
1 x USN BF AV-10
1 x CD Bn 6 x 155mm guns

Kodiak
1 x Inf Rgt AV-100
1 x CE Bn AV-20
1 x USN BF AV-10

Seward
1 x Inf Bn AV-35
1 x CD Bn 6 x 155mm guns

Anchorage
1 x Inf Rgt AV-125
1 x FA Bn 6 x 155mm howitzers
1 x CD Bn 6 x 155mm guns
Air units: 20 x P-36A, 12 x B-18A

Juneau
1 x USN BF AV-0


Possible reinforcements:

Seattle/Tacoma
1 x US Inf Div (41st) AV-285(381 full strength) Temp. restricted
1 x Inf Bn AV-35 Temp. restricted
1 x Mtn Rgt AV-30 Temp. restricted
Air units: 13 x B-18A
Navy units: BB Colorado SYS damage-20/ENG damage-20, BB Warspite SYS damage-20, 4 x DD

Canada
1 x Inf Bde AV-100
3 x Inf Bn AV-30

Eastern US
Air units: 70 x p-39D, 40 x B-26

San Fransisco
Navy units: 9 x DD, 5 x SS

San Diego
Navy units: CV Saratoga, 1 x CL, 6 x DD, 6 x SS

Arriving units:
3 x Inf Rgt AV-125
Navy units: CV Yorktown (30 Dec, San Diego)


Thanks, that is really good to know.

Ive decided to skip Cold Bay and move directly on Kodiak, but upon further consideration, perhaps it is better to skip Kodiak aswell and move directly on to Seward and then move overland to Seattle. I have several follow up forces on the way that can clear out Kodiak, Cold harbor and Dutch Harbor.



Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/28/2012 9:39:31 AM)

The flipside of the coin is that I will be fighting in the US backyard though, meaning his reinforcements from the West Coast will have very short travel-time from home to the frontline. On the other hand, I really think this could be a good area to draw Canoe into a battle.



Historiker -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/28/2012 9:40:52 AM)

So you really do the invasion of the West Coast I suggested? [sm=happy0065.gif]

Too sad it's unlikely that you'll do it in our game as well :)



Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/28/2012 9:41:41 AM)

Those units in Kodiak for example are out of the battle. They are stuck on the island and cannot move as long as I have the KB in the region. If I decide to do this I will probably move on Anchorage first, and then move backwards along the bases from there back to Dutch Harbor.



Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/28/2012 9:42:03 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Historiker

So you really do the invasion of the West Coast I suggested? [sm=happy0065.gif]

Too sad it's unlikely that you'll do it in our game as well :)



Hehe, dont be too sure.



Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/28/2012 11:24:52 AM)

Did you get the turn btw?



witpqs -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/28/2012 3:22:55 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund


Ive decided to skip Cold Bay and move directly on Kodiak, but upon further consideration, perhaps it is better to skip Kodiak aswell and move directly on to Seward and then move overland to Seattle. I have several follow up forces on the way that can clear out Kodiak, Cold harbor and Dutch Harbor.


I presume you meant Anchorage? Seattle would trigger reinforcements and take a really long time to make by land. Bombing it to destroy factories is another matter.



Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/28/2012 3:37:08 PM)

Haha, yes, Anchorage. Marching a Jap army from Alaska to Seattle would be something like Hannibal and his elephants.



Capt. Harlock -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/28/2012 4:26:05 PM)

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Marching a Jap army from Alaska to Seattle would be something like Hannibal and his elephants.


It has been tried. There was a game a few years back where both sides agreed to allow the Japanese to take the usual historical stuff with minimal opposition to allow the maximum possible force to march on the US West Coast. (It ended up being about 300,000 men.) The objective was San Francisco, but the Allies stopped the IJA on the outskirts of Vancouver.



PaxMondo -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/28/2012 6:02:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

Haha, yes, Anchorage.

Definitely gonna watch this.

[sm=00000613.gif]



Historiker -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/28/2012 7:12:41 PM)

Too sad.
I had hoped for Seatlle! [:(]



Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/29/2012 7:49:27 AM)

The game is now approaching christmas 1941.

Eastern NEI
Ambon is captured and an air HQ is in place. An attempt to siece a foothold on Timor was repulsed. I had sent in a weak amphib TF with a regiment to try to capture Lauterm, but the appearance of a small Dutch SCTF forced us to retire (TF commander must have missed a morale check). And that was very fortunate for us, during the day the entire Force Z appeared at Lauterm, together with a sighting of a nearby TF containing a CV! Kates from Ambon scored several bomb hits on Prince of Wales and Repulse, some secondary weapons were taken out, but no penetrating hits of cource.

The amphib TF attacked Kendari instead, the troops have gotten ashore, and tomorrow we attack. Ambon and Menado are already in our hands. And forces from Mindanao are on route to Tarakan and then Balikpapan.

So, there are CVs in the area. I have no idea if it is the Hermes or the three USN CVs, but I will try not to get bogged down too much. The CVs are not really that dangerous since I can operate well inside Zero range. The mass of enemy surface combat forces down here should mean there are not so many ships protecting Java right now, so the mini-invasions over there are sped up.

Western NEI
We are ashore in two places on Java and should land in a third in a couple of days. Merak and the base just east of Batavia on the coastline are captured. I have an air HQ at Palembang and several fighter units there so local air superiority should not be a problem.

Malaya
Mersing forces have reached the railline but the hex is contested. Brits tried to dislodge us but failed. Two more regiments have landed at Mersing and will reinforce this hex. Paratroopers took Kuala Lumpur, and soon the railline is open to Alor Star. When that happens, the main army will rail south and move on Singapore. With a little luck we might reach the base around new years eve.

Burma
Paras still hold the base south of Mandalay, but they are now facing a large part of the Burmese army. I doubt they will hold for long, but another paradrop took Taung Gyi which is a JR-hex, so they should be able to hold for a while. Im not sure, but maybe we can draw supply from Siam now too.

Philippines
Forces have arrived at Clark and Manila. A failed counterattack by the US at Clark cost him. When he ordered the attack there were only 2 tank units in place, but during the movement phase a division and a regiment arrived aswell causing his attack to fail.

He has about 1000 AV at Clark and 400 at Manila. I have 2 divisions at Manila that will try an attack tomorrow. If it fails, I will have to bring in more troops. Im still waiting on 38th div to clear out Hong Kong, and when that happens it will move immideately to Luzon.

China
Still too early to say, lots of moving around. I have reached the 350-number for this month, so the rest of December is just a bonus.

North Pac
Invasion fleet heading for the Anchorage-area. No sign of USN or USAF.




Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/29/2012 1:06:13 PM)

I have been giving the eastern NEI situation some thought.

He commits Force Z and an unknown CV into an area where he knows I have the mini-KB operating. That seems to indicate he is not afraid of a CV battle. He knows of course that the KB is way away in the Northern Pacific, but he shows complete disregard for the mini-KB. All seems to indicate he has more than just the Hermes there. I mean, who sends the Hermes into harms way against a TF of Jap CVL/CVEs? And who sends Force Z into the teeth of the mini-KB alone?

No, I think we can confirm that he has 1-3 USN CVs here. Saratoga probably went south to escort a USMC regiment to Suva or Pago Pago on day 1 of the war. The Lexington and Enterprise were spotted around Tarawa a couple of weeks ago, and they probably went straight down here.

So...what will he do with his CVs here?

A Zero sweep over Lauterm met with a Dutch fighter unit flying Hawks. Really? The Dutch airforce operating from eastern Timor?

All this seems to indicate that he intends to fight here. So, fortress Timor it is then? Force Z together with the USN CVs will be a very tough nut to crack. But I think I can turn this to my advantage. I know where he wants to defend now. If the CVs are here, they are not protecting the Indian Ocean. I also doubt he will shift them over to Java, he will probably keep his forces together, and they will hover around between Australia and Timor. That means I can send the ships as far as Balikpapan without worry.





Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/1/2012 2:15:15 PM)

We have reached Christmas day, and the first plans for China are starting to materialize.

[image]local://upfiles/1562/7ADA46C8A2CD47A7A0955D6A3CD4AC36.jpg[/image]

He has 16-something units in Nanyang. That seems to indicate he will try to hold here. This is good because Nanyang is in open ground, well inside IJAAF-bomber range. At the same time, it is a place I want to hold and control because I want to keep that railline open and safe from raids.

So, three Army Corps will start moving into position, at the same time Im building up the airbases at Kaifeng and Hangkow to support an air offensive.

My first priority will be to try to cut off the defenders from easy retreat. When my units start to move into position, we will see if Canoe wants to fight, or if he will slip away.



Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/1/2012 2:33:48 PM)

In other news, we were beaten back from our base on the Burma road. This is very bad because right now, there is nothing preventing supply moving from Rangoon to China.

We have brought another division to Hong Kong, amazingly enough that base is still holding, but it should fall tomorrow.

Manila is ready to fall, he does not seem to defend the city, so we have a nice Fortress Clark Field to look forward to...

My units west of Mersing defeated the british defenders in the rail-hex, causing heavy losses for the Brits. This should speed up things at Singapore. He lost over 150 combat, and 180 non-combat squads killed in that battle.



Capt. Harlock -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/1/2012 8:45:07 PM)

quote:

We have brought another division to Hong Kong, amazingly enough that base is still holding, but it should fall tomorrow.


HK held out past Christmas?? That may cause schedule issues. Will the diversion of the extra division interfere at Nanyang?



Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/1/2012 9:41:56 PM)

Both Hong Kong and Manila fell on the 26th of December.

38th Division is finally ready to move on to new battles. Unfortunately I might have to keep them in China. It seems Canoe is mounting a counterattack towards the coastline.

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SqzMyLemon -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/1/2012 10:00:42 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

38th Division is finally ready to move on to new battles. Unfortunately I might have to keep them in China. It seems Canoe is mounting a counterattack towards the coastline.


I wouldn't divert the 38th Division. Use it as you initially intended. Perhaps reinforce the coast with a brigade sized unit, but use air power to crush any Chinese offensive moves, especially in the open. They'll be so disrupted a smaller force will be able to deal with them. Are you using your JAAF bombers much in China? By that I mean almost exclusively, as the people being most successful in China are commiting large numbers of bombers to this theatre. I wouldn't commit a single non-navy bomber to anywhere but China. Air power will win you China, if committed now before the Chinese can mass.

Just my thoughts and experience from having been on the receiving end of extensive bombing in China.



Cribtop -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/2/2012 1:44:19 AM)

As Japan I always feared an offensive toward Amoy or the Wenchow area. In the long run it's suicide for the Chinese LCUs involved, but the IJA is so thin here at start I feared they could make a lot of mischief.



Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/2/2012 2:06:32 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cribtop

As Japan I always feared an offensive toward Amoy or the Wenchow area. In the long run it's suicide for the Chinese LCUs involved, but the IJA is so thin here at start I feared they could make a lot of mischief.


That's exactly what the AI does/did in my game. I was not ready and haven't had troops to spare to open the coast as yet (4/42).



PaxMondo -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/2/2012 4:15:23 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cribtop

As Japan I always feared an offensive toward Amoy or the Wenchow area. In the long run it's suicide for the Chinese LCUs involved, but the IJA is so thin here at start I feared they could make a lot of mischief.


That's exactly what the AI does/did in my game. I was not ready and haven't had troops to spare to open the coast as yet (4/42).

+1

I have to get all of my troops into one base, I generally choose Amoy. Otherwise Andy's AI will crucify me.



Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/2/2012 5:47:29 PM)

You might be right. Perhaps I should bring the 38th to Clark. He has 1300 AV there, and right now I have roughly 1300 there aswell. Any thoughts about that assault? Bring the 38th to get it up to 1700? Do I need to bring more?

Usually I stall for weeks at Clark, bleeding the involved units heavily, and I would really like to avoid that now.



Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/2/2012 5:52:51 PM)

1 full division should be enough to defeat anything but the 18th UK on Timor. I dont think he has brought the 18th over here. For some reason, Canoe strikes me as a more cautious player. 18th is probably in Australia or India right now.

4 BBs, lots and lots of airunits and some small CVs...this should usually be enough to get ashore.

However...

I believe the USN CVs are in this area together with Force Z.

Thoughts? Opinions? I can hold operations here for one more week, but after that I need to move forward again. I will not get bogged down yet.

Tentative plan is to send supply and another air HQ to Kendari, then under cover from these two bases force a landing at Lauterm or Dili.

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Captain Cruft -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/3/2012 1:52:27 AM)

I think the way to play as Japan is always to trade planes for ships. If his CVs and/or BBs are in such a remote place it might be an opportunity. Let the Netties deal with them and keep the mini-CVs out of the way unless and until it looks safe.

Or, just wait until he has to withdraw any capital units due to lack of fuel and then take Timor with less stress.

Personally I wouldn't take any risks for what is basically a worthless and remote jungle-covered rock.



ny59giants -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/3/2012 2:55:29 AM)

Luzon - I like to buy out the components of a division that starts out mainly in Korea and have it start to prep for Bataan on the first day. It takes some time, but I can steadily bring it over to Luzon and combine it there. Bottle up the Allies in Clark and then Bataan and just bomb the AFs to destroy his supplies. You shouldn't need more than the 65 Bde and 48 Division to hold.

I hope you have the 90th Inf Rgt bought out from Korea/Manchuria as it has very high experience levels.

If you don't go for a direct attack/landing at Lautem/Dili, could you para drop and Fast Transport in troops, especially BF and construction engineers to Saumlaki. Its AF is 0(5) and could be built up relatively quickly and also give you a few options. It would close off him from moving towards Horn Island and give you a jumping off point for Darwin later. Having Ambon and Namlea already gives you two large enough AFs to cover this operation. You could keep Mini-KB over by Boela and still influence any attempt to get too close.



CRations -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/3/2012 4:32:43 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

1 full division should be enough to defeat anything but the 18th UK on Timor. I dont think he has brought the 18th over here. For some reason, Canoe strikes me as a more cautious player. 18th is probably in Australia or India right now.

4 BBs, lots and lots of airunits and some small CVs...this should usually be enough to get ashore.

However...

I believe the USN CVs are in this area together with Force Z.

Thoughts? Opinions? I can hold operations here for one more week, but after that I need to move forward again. I will not get bogged down yet.

Tentative plan is to send supply and another air HQ to Kendari, then under cover from these two bases force a landing at Lauterm or Dili.



How are you for Naval Search aircraft? The higher your detection factor the better your chance of your Bettys striking targets - yes?

I see you have subs in the area. Can you deploy mines at a base or channel where you think CanoeRebel will use his warships? Also, if you have any subs with search aircraft you might run those west of where you suspect Force Z plus carriers are and see if they can confirm the nature of those ships.

CR




Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/3/2012 7:25:08 PM)

Just a quick update.

Ive decided to press on with the invasion of Timor.

Three reasons.
1) I want to send the message to Canoe that I do not fear his naval forces, and I will not yield the initiative.

2) I feel pretty secure being deep inside Zero- and Betty-range. I dont think he will throw his CVs into Betty-range, so if they appear, they will stand off from the other side of Timor.

3) He is probably growing stronger by each day. If I wait, I will just face more landunits and stronger surface forces.

I think Canoe is expecting me to pause here, knowing that there are strong surface forces in the area. If I press on despite that knowledge and without KB-cover, that should cause Canoe to hesitate in the future. At this point in the war, I want him to think that I can defeat him anywhere I want, regardless of relative size of local forces.

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witpqs -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/3/2012 8:03:28 PM)

Where was the QE when she was torpedoed?



Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (5/3/2012 8:36:57 PM)

Off Los Angeles.



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