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Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/15/2012 9:41:13 AM)
Oh, forgot to comment on the paradrop. This is a suicide mission to disrupt the railway between Rangoon and China. Its not a suicide mission in the sense that Im just dropping them and moving on. I am committed to this hex now, and I will fly in reinforcements and I will fly sweep and CAP and ground attacks to support this attack. But I think they will all die, all my precious transports (I flew in the L-Mavis from CentPac so I could reach the base from Indochina where the paratroopers were ferried to from Formosa using the Tinas) will die too, either from ops or A2A. But it is worth it if it means the supply-flow to China from Burma is stopped. Tomorrow Im reinforcing them with the rest of the unit aswell as some troops from the mixed brigade at Hanoi. I will also fly ground attack missions around the hex to catch allied units in move-mode. Im afraid of RAF-fighters, but on the other hand, they have been mauled pretty badly at Rangoon and Im using Zeros to sweep the base to clear out any LRCAP. Should be interesting to see what happens

Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/15/2012 10:46:51 AM)
Actually, this part of the combat report is worth watching. The ones who say quantity has a quality all of its own have never met elite paratroopers apparently. Ground combat at Meiktila (58,47) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 32 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4 Defending force 390 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 15 Japanese adjusted assault: 5 Allied adjusted defense: 1 Japanese assault odds: 5 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Meiktila !!! Combat modifiers Defender: leaders(-), fatigue(-), morale(-), experience(-) Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-) Allied ground losses: 141 casualties reported Squads: 10 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Units retreated 1 Defeated Allied Units Retreating! Assaulting units: Yokosuka 3rd SNLF /1 Defending units: 9th Burma Rifles Battalion

Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/15/2012 12:17:54 PM)
Ill do a post on China later. It is too early to say right now, these first weeks of the war is mostly about shifting around troops anyway

obvert -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/15/2012 12:57:42 PM)
Will you use Chiang Mai as a forward fighter and transport base? Useful on the rail.

Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/15/2012 2:42:26 PM)
Yes, I will. Right now that is a lvl 1 field though so now Im basing from the only lvl2 field north of Bangkok.

Blackhorse -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/15/2012 3:48:49 PM)
quote: I think he is using his units too much, and I try to rotate my units to ensure all stay below 15 in fatigue. Methinks it will be a long time before your opponent has enough air units / airframes to have the luxury of rotating them.

Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/15/2012 5:19:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Blackhorse quote: I think he is using his units too much, and I try to rotate my units to ensure all stay below 15 in fatigue. Methinks it will be a long time before your opponent has enough air units / airframes to have the luxury of rotating them. Well, yes...and no. Its all about priorities, isnt it? He has 50-something fighters each around the Philippines, Singapore, Rangoon. I think he has them on something like 50 CAP judging by the number of fighters I see in the skies each day. He seems to have them up there everyday. Why everyday? When I play the allies, I tend to use the few fighter units I have to rest/train in rear-areas, or to set up various CAP-traps here and there. To have them constantly in the air above certain bases is just a sure way to build fatigue and lose fighters. Sure, for short periods of time it might be necessary to contest a piece of sky, but not all the time.

crsutton -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/15/2012 6:16:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund Actually, this part of the combat report is worth watching. The ones who say quantity has a quality all of its own have never met elite paratroopers apparently. Ground combat at Meiktila (58,47) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 32 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4 Defending force 390 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 15 Japanese adjusted assault: 5 Allied adjusted defense: 1 Japanese assault odds: 5 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Meiktila !!! Combat modifiers Defender: leaders(-), fatigue(-), morale(-), experience(-) Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-) Allied ground losses: 141 casualties reported Squads: 10 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Units retreated 1 Defeated Allied Units Retreating! Assaulting units: Yokosuka 3rd SNLF /1 Defending units: 9th Burma Rifles Battalion Yeah, pretty cool. And actually the way it should be.

Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/15/2012 9:01:42 PM)
And so it begins. actually not quite yet

Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/16/2012 6:07:59 PM)
Palembang After fending off another couple of air attacks from Singapore, our invasion fleet is finally ashore. The Zeros from CVL Ryujo have been worth their weight in gold these opening days of the war. Our estimates is that they have shot down 50+ enemy fighters and bombers. Not only have they successfully escorted the invasion fleet to Palembang, they have broken the back of Singapore air defences while doing it. We land with 450 AV and discover the base defended by over 100 AV from various units. I should be able to take the base tomorrow, but we will see. Burma Reinforcements flown in today, we now have 20-something AV. More troops flying in tomorrow, escorted by fighter sweeps from Raheng. Sweeps over Rangoon met empty skies today, looks like he is giving up the fight in southern Burma to concentrate on the Mandalay-area. Lae Strong enemy SCTFs sank CL Kashii, transports unharmed and the base fell. We are pulling back north to wait for heavier units to arrive. CentPac KB heading north to refuel from fleet AOs. Philippines Dreadful day in the air. Air coordination failed, all my bombers arrived at the target before my fighters. Unescorted bombers shot down in droves, and the late fighter sweeps met mostly empty sky. Really annoying.

Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/16/2012 6:18:17 PM)
Here are two pictures to show the current situation in the eastern NEI. Several SCTFs appeared just west of Sorong. I am very very pleased with my desicion to cancel the Ambon invasion and instead land here. The land units are safe and the worst thing that can happen now is that I lose some ships. Had I pressed on I would have met these guys probably right in the Ambon-hex. Confirmed sightings of CL Marbelhead (took a torpedo hit from a Kate), CL Boise and CA Houston. This means he will contest this area heavily. It also means I can be a bit more relaxed around Mindanao. I have included a screenshot of the current landings on Mindanao just to show you what kind of surface protection I have been operating with. The SCTFs adjacent to the landings consist of 2 DDs each. In the invasion hex itself I have 2 BBs together with escorts. In the left image, you can see the current position at Sorong. I have 2 BBs coming in from the north together with a CVL/CVE-TF that is a bit further north. The BBs will sprint south in an effort to catch his surface ships. If he decides to press on towards Sorong, I should intercept them on the way back in the afternoon. I have moved back my CVE and transports to avoid getting caught in a surface engagement, they are screened by two light SCTFs Could be an interesting day tomorrow [image]local://upfiles/1562/3966BE2043DC42979F3D4B32D3F14231.jpg[/image]

Mundy -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/16/2012 7:52:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund Philippines Dreadful day in the air. Air coordination failed, all my bombers arrived at the target before my fighters. Unescorted bombers shot down in droves, and the late fighter sweeps met mostly empty sky. Really annoying. That seems to happen over the Philippines. It makes the P-35 look like a war winner. [:D] Ed-

obvert -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/16/2012 9:04:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mundy quote: ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund Philippines Dreadful day in the air. Air coordination failed, all my bombers arrived at the target before my fighters. Unescorted bombers shot down in droves, and the late fighter sweeps met mostly empty sky. Really annoying. That seems to happen over the Philippines. It makes the P-35 look like a war winner. [:D] Ed- A great time to turn the tables though. He likely won't stand down after that success, so 90 zeros will make it hurt tomorrow.

Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/16/2012 9:30:24 PM)
YES Just a quick update for 12th December Palembang Is captured! Despite the CVL-cover moving off to Mersing, and several bomber units flying ground attack missions against my invaders, we captured the base. A force of heavy cruisers intercepted a RN TF consisting of one CA and two CLs in the straits of Merak. All the allied ships were sunk. We landed two regiments at Mersing, the base should fall within a couple of days. That should speed up the fall of Malaya. [image]local://upfiles/1562/C58DC26D54C8490E97C0FDECB6215066.jpg[/image]

Mundy -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/16/2012 9:37:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert A great time to turn the tables though. He likely won't stand down after that success, so 90 zeros will make it hurt tomorrow. Yep. I've been burned plenty of times trying to repeat a success. Ed-

obvert -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/16/2012 9:44:19 PM)
Good work in Palembang and in the straits. How are the facilities looking?

witpqs -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/17/2012 2:39:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund A force of heavy cruisers intercepted a RN TF consisting of one CA and two CLs in the straits of Merak. All the allied ships were sunk. I believe that is the Sunda Strait - think Krakatoa, which is fitting given your description of the battle there.

Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/17/2012 7:48:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert Good work in Palembang and in the straits. How are the facilities looking? Almost undamaged (see the screenshot). Yeah it worked according to plan thanks to CVL Ruoyu. We landed on D+4 and met over 100 AV, that means the defenders grew with about 20 AV per day. It shows how important it is to land fast here. Every day counts.

obvert -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/17/2012 9:01:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund quote: ORIGINAL: obvert Good work in Palembang and in the straits. How are the facilities looking? Almost undamaged (see the screenshot). Yeah it worked according to plan thanks to CVL Ruoyu. We landed on D+4 and met over 100 AV, that means the defenders grew with about 20 AV per day. It shows how important it is to land fast here. Every day counts. Sorry, missed that. It is definitely impressive how fast you got there. I was a sceptic, but the SCTF screen and the Ryujo performed well, it seems. I can't remember if you've mentioned bringing Air support with the invasion. I found when I have taken the base at the end of December it was tough to protect it from 4E and other bombing getting to the oil. Night bombing 4E were the biggest issue. The only thing I could do with that was hit their base in Java. Looking forward to info on your progress in China and what the plan is there.

Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/17/2012 9:43:45 AM)
Ive got some engineers there, and a Zero-wing on CAP. Should be able to handle any fighters. Against the B17s there is no remedy though. At least not yet. If he starts strat-bombing I'll fly in more CAP to swamp him, but I hope I wont have to.

Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/19/2012 6:09:04 AM)
Mindanao Cagayan is captured, and troops land at Zamboanga. That means the resistance is reduced to the mountains in the middle of the island. I am using a full division here. No need to mess around with smaller units and get delayed in such a key-place. This division will move on to Tarakan, Balikpapan and then Java. Malaya The landing at Mersing was a success. The Australian brigade managed to flee before it was routed though, so he saved a couple of squads. The troops will race west now to cut the railline north from Singapore. Luzon Slow but steady progress. The main objective here is to clear Clark and Manila, and then leave a cover force to keep the allied units holed up in Bataan until they run out of supply. After Clark/Manila, the units will go to Singapore or Java, depending on what the situation looks like there. Eastern NEI The invasion fleet is in place now, and the offensive against Ambon-Kendari-Koepang will kick off. I have 4 BBs, one CVL and two CVEs covering the 4th Division together with the start-up forces at Babeldaop. This could be a heavy battle. I am somewhat worried about intervention from Force Z and/or allied CVs. I have tried to set up sub forces to block/alert me to intervening forces. Northern Pacific Ive landed on the main islands in the Aleutians. I have met with no opposition, which puzzels me. I was expecting a huge fight up here. I have brought 2 BBs and the KB to cover the invasions. A couple of DDs were sent all the way to the Canadian coast to raid for reinforcement convoys. They managed to catch a tanker with escort a couple of days ago, but no troop transports or combat ships. My idea was to let the KB swing by up here since they are in the area anyway after refueling north of Pearl Harbor. I really have no use for the KB down in the NEI right now anyway. Ok, it would be nice to have carrier cover in the eastern NEI right now, but as long as the allied CVs doesnt show up down there, the CVE/CVLs are enough. Burma We now have 80-something AV just south of Mandalay, and the first counterattacking forces have arrived. It seems there are very few allied fighters up here. I think he lost the bulk of his fighter force over Rangoon, and he seems to struggle right now to put up a fight in Burma. It suits me fine, more forces are flown in everyday and tomorrow Im sending in alot of bombers to disrupt the attackers. Im not sure what to expect from the brits though. Will they send bombers on ground attack? Im not sure what they might have left up here. Worst case scenario is that we find alot of B17s the hard way. Should that happen Im pretty sure I will lose the battle. We have set 30 Oscar Ic's on LRCAP over the battle, and 30 Zeros are sweeping the hex.

Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/19/2012 6:22:30 AM)
This is a screenshot of the northern front right now. My DDs were spotted by aircraft yesterday. Not sure what to make of that. Probably just patrols from Kodiak, but it could also mean Canoe has sent a CV or two up north. Judging from his earlier AARs, Canoe puts alot of value on this front, and he seems to consider it a key to an early allied counterattack. It has also worked pretty well for him. Old habits are hard to break, and I would be very surprised if he was not planning to reinforce up here. It will be interesting to see if he is following a pattern. Last game, Fort Palembang was a winning strategy for Canoe, and he did try to create one in this game too. Last game, his Aleutians - Kuriles-campaign was a success, does that mean he will try it again now? We will see. After the landings are safe, the KB will go take a look at Anchorage to see whats there. [image]local://upfiles/1562/4BA0F121497045C199095CE91AC02C8B.jpg[/image]

witpqs -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/19/2012 6:27:25 AM)
What game date are you up to?

Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/19/2012 7:00:55 AM)
16th December

Mistmatz -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/19/2012 7:25:46 PM)
I doubt you will find something worthwhile at Anchorage. If KB is still unnoticed and fuel permits I'd rather consider a raid against Seattle or even SF. On the other hand Canoe is experienced and careful enough to avoid a raid catching him pants down. Especially at this stage of the war.

witpqs -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/19/2012 8:03:39 PM)
...or even an industry raid on Seattle!

Capt. Harlock -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/20/2012 8:41:38 PM)
quote: I doubt you will find something worthwhile at Anchorage. Another point to consider is what the weather conditions are likely to be in mid-December. (Hint: this is what you will need to clear the flight decks. [sm=sterb032.gif])

JohnDillworth -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/21/2012 1:15:19 AM)
quote: On the other hand Canoe is experienced and careful enough to avoid a raid catching him pants down. Especially at this stage of the war. There is nothing to "have" on the US coast to stop a KB raid. Probably catch a bunch of damaged ships trying to slip into dry dock.some fighters and bombers, but nothing that hurt ships. Couple of BB's might be about but the OOB just doesn't show anything scary unless he pulled his CV's back to the West Coast

Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/21/2012 6:41:30 AM)
KB is low on sorties and torpedos, and some ships have sys damage around 5-7 after a high speed run. So I dont think I will send them all the way to the west coast. They will cover these landings, maybe raid Anchorage and then head back to Japan.

Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (4/21/2012 7:06:24 AM)
16th December Nort Pacific A force of 5 old USN DDs intercept a troop convoy of mine, despite the BB cover in the same hex. Amazingly enough, the lone escorting PB manages to keep the DDs away from the other ships. The ships stumble into eachother again and this time one of the xAKs take a torpedo hit, and some other xAK a handful of shell hits. Nothing catastrophic though. Visibility up here is very low with 10% moon and rain. Then the DDs run into my BB cover force. Just one DD sunk, but Imagine the panic on those DDs when two BBs slowly appear just 3000 yards away in the rain... Japanese Ships BB Mutsu, Shell hits 2 BB Yamashiro CL Kitakami TB Sagi DD Tadeshiwa Allied Ships DD Fox DD Brooks DD Gilmer, Shell hits 18, and is sunk DD Hatfield DD Kane Reduced visibility due to Rain with 10% moonlight Maximum visibility in Rain and 10% moonlight: 3,000 yards Range closes to 9,000 yards... Range closes to 8,000 yards... Range closes to 7,000 yards... Range closes to 6,000 yards... Range closes to 5,000 yards... Range closes to 4,000 yards... Range closes to 3,000 yards... CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 3,000 yards CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 3,000 yards BB Mutsu engages DD Kane at 3,000 yards BB Mutsu engages DD Hatfield at 3,000 yards BB Mutsu engages DD Gilmer at 3,000 yards DD Brooks engages BB Mutsu at 3,000 yards DD Fox engages TB Sagi at 3,000 yards DD Gilmer sunk by BB Yamashiro at 3,000 yards BB Mutsu engages DD Fox at 3,000 yards DD Fox engages TB Sagi at 3,000 yards Range increases to 6,000 yards DD Kane engages BB Yamashiro at 6,000 yards BB Mutsu engages DD Brooks at 6,000 yards BB Mutsu engages DD Brooks at 6,000 yards DD Tadeshiwa engages DD Fox at 6,000 yards DD Brooks engages TB Sagi at 6,000 yards Task forces break off... During the day, Vals from the KB sink a lone xAKL in the area, so now Dan knows where the KB is. That alone should be enough to stop any more interference with the landings here. Burma The aillied counterattack fails miserably in a rain of bombs from supporting Jap aircraft. I wonder where Dan will go from here...another attempt with more reinforcements, or will he start pulling back from southern Burma. The british response to my paradrop here has been slow and weak. I wonder why he is not using the RAF more here. Perhaps this is an indication that his bombers are in other places (think Ceylon, or Java). Ground combat at Meiktila (58,47) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 1474 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 58 Defending force 1566 troops, 36 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 84 Allied adjusted assault: 2 Japanese adjusted defense: 24 Allied assault odds: 1 to 12 (fort level 0) Combat modifiers Defender: preparation(-), fatigue(-), experience(-) Attacker: disruption(-), morale(-) Japanese ground losses: 22 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Allied ground losses: 120 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 20 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Assaulting units: 10th Burma Rifles Battalion 1st Burma Brigade Defending units: Yokosuka 3rd SNLF /1 4th Ind.Mixed Rgt /1 Air war This battle over Manila causes concern for me. I think it is an indication that I have been pushing my fighter units too hard, and Im getting sloppy. The pilots morale and fatigue were probably higher than they should be. I was also flying much too high for some reason. This is probably half of a staggered sweep and the other fighter unit was ordered to hit another target (Bataan). This is what happens when I try to meet him up high alone with Zeros. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid detected at 17 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 5 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 20 Allied aircraft P-26A x 2 P-40B Warhawk x 5 P-40E Warhawk x 26 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed Allied aircraft losses P-26A: 1 destroyed P-40B Warhawk: 1 destroyed P-40E Warhawk: 4 destroyed CAP engaged: 24th PG/3rd PS with P-40E Warhawk (2 airborne, 6 on standby, 8 scrambling) 8 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 29000 , scrambling fighters between 16000 and 29000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes 24th PG/17th PS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling) 4 plane(s) intercepting now. 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 18000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes 24th PG/20th PS with P-40B Warhawk (1 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling) 5 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 11000 and 18000. Raid is overhead 35th PG/21st PS with P-40E Warhawk (1 airborne, 3 on standby, 0 scrambling) 4 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 20000. Raid is overhead 6th PS PAAC with P-26A (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 44 minutes

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