RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (Full Version)

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KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (9/18/2012 1:31:21 PM)

T69 OOB (Soviet)


Situation is worse than it seems, because it is necessary to subtract 55k soldiers from my OOB - encircled cavalry army.

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KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (9/18/2012 1:32:10 PM)

T70 far south-west (Soviet)


Only one German attack this turn, none undertaken by me.

New units - 2 inf div, 2 cav div


In my stupidity I forgotten to move part of my troops in western Caucasus ...

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veji1 -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (9/18/2012 1:41:15 PM)

It looks to me that the divisions anchoring your right wing with Forts level 1 are not anchoring much and you could find yourself with another set of Rifle and tank corps surrounded against the Caspian See if he goes for a short lef hook... Very dangerous.



KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (9/18/2012 1:44:48 PM)

quote:

veji1


It looks to me that the divisions anchoring your right wing with Forts level 1 are not anchoring much and you could find yourself with another set of Rifle and tank corps surrounded against the Caspian See if he goes for a short lef hook... Very dangerous.



It is mud now, so nothing dangerous will happen there. At least I hope so.



KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (9/18/2012 1:50:13 PM)

T70 far south-east (Soviet)


March towards Astrakhan continues. I ship some of my troops to Makhachkala, unfortunately shipping in Caspian Sea region is very limited.


In the meantime part of cavalry army was destroyed - 2 cav corps and 1 inf div, overall 30k brave lads gone west.

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KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (9/18/2012 2:08:30 PM)

T71 far south-west (Soviet)


Only one German attack this turn - against encircled formations.


New units - 4 inf div, 1 cav div. Unfortunately I had to spend majority of AP points (New front arrived so I had plenty) on reactivation of tank brigades and creation of tank corps. This is consequence of Sapers's successful summer offensive - I had to create great number of infantry corps to give myself chance of countering his moves. (chance that I have failed to take)



This time I haven't forgotten to move troops in western Caucasus.

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KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (9/18/2012 2:12:11 PM)

T71 far south-east (Soviet)


More of the same here. Withdrawal in the north, digging trenches in the south.


Remnants of cavalry army were destroyed - 2 cav corps, 1 inf div, overall 26k soldiers.

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KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (9/18/2012 2:23:59 PM)

T72 far south (Soviet)


No attacks.


New units - 1 inf div, 1 cav div




Steady withdrawal north.

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KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (9/18/2012 2:26:37 PM)

T72 western Caucasus (Soviet)


I try to created anything that resemble defensive line, but there are not many troops at hand.

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KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (9/18/2012 2:28:00 PM)

T72 eastern Caucasus (Soviet)


This positions do not look secure at all.

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KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (9/18/2012 2:35:19 PM)

T73 south (Soviet)


Last turn of mud, so I expect restart of onslaught.


New units - 1 cav div. It really puzzles me, what I was thinking spending available AP on some random stuff.



Defending Stalingrad is crucial for survival of my troops in Caucasus.

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KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (9/18/2012 2:40:19 PM)

T73 far south (Soviet)


Almost all troops reached safety of Volga marshes.

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KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (9/18/2012 2:42:45 PM)

T73 western Caucasus (Soviet)


Slow march of troops from Batumi region continues

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KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (9/18/2012 2:45:47 PM)

T73 eastern Caucasus (Soviet)


My only hope for survival is poor condition of Saper's forces.

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KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (9/18/2012 2:48:09 PM)

T73 OOB (Soviet)


I didn't gain much strength during mud season.

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timmyab -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (9/18/2012 4:57:01 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kamil
Defending Stalingrad is crucial for survival of my troops in Caucasus.

I'm curious.Why is this?



KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (9/18/2012 7:37:17 PM)

quote:


quote:


ORIGINAL: Kamil
Defending Stalingrad is crucial for survival of my troops in Caucasus.



timmyab

I'm curious.Why is this?



It protects rail line to Astrakhan so it is vital for successful defence of this town, should threat arise. Loosing both Astrakhan's and Makhachkala's ports will leave Caucasus isolated and loosing Makhachkala seems inevitable.



timmyab -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (9/18/2012 8:15:20 PM)

I see, so you're talking about protecting the line that runs behind Stalingrad past Lake Elton?
Can you reinforce the Caucasus from Guriev?



Farfarer61 -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (9/18/2012 11:17:50 PM)

It was many patches ago but I posted about Guriev being a de facto near infinite supply source. Screenie somewhere...



KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (9/19/2012 1:04:00 AM)

quote:

Farfarer

It was many patches ago but I posted about Guriev being a de facto near infinite supply source. Screenie somewhere...



I am not sure, but I think loosing Astrakhan and Makhachkala will cut sea-supply line from Guriev to Baku.



Walloc -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (9/19/2012 11:50:07 AM)

20.1.2. Permanent Supply Sources

Soviet permanent supply sources:
Chelyabinsk
Baku



KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (9/19/2012 3:31:19 PM)

quote:

Walloc


20.1.2. Permanent Supply Sources

Soviet permanent supply sources:
Chelyabinsk
Baku



Didn't know that. Thank you.



STEF78 -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (9/19/2012 9:14:06 PM)

Reading this cery interesting AAR, I am surprised by the strength of the german counterattack on turns 68-69.

He is far away from supply and moves easily more than 20 units almost on the coast of the caspian sea.

Is there any secret supply source? It looks unrealistic.



Peltonx -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (9/20/2012 3:26:56 AM)

Anyway you can start driving east in the center?

GHC OOB is at 3.6 million if he keeps attacking much longer it will really start to hurt him.

Attack where you can and try to get attrition ball rolling. Its still early and if he screws up once as we have seen in M60's game the tables can turn very very fast.

Dont use any cav or mech in attrition attacks only infantry. Hoooper was a master at it.



KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (9/20/2012 8:16:33 PM)

T74 Caucasus (German)


First turn of snow and Saper resumes advance towards oil fields.

Makhachkala has fallen so I will have to fall back to next defensive position.

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KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (9/20/2012 8:44:41 PM)

T74 south (Soviet)

New units - 1 cav div, 1 inf div, 3 mech brig


In the north and center neither of sides is strong enough to undertake any offensive action. Situation is slightly different in the south. Saper must have stripped Stalingrad area of best troops so I enjoy temporary superiority, that I will try to utilise as long as I can.

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KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (9/20/2012 8:47:44 PM)

T74 far south (Soviet)


Keeping whole front here is wastage, so majority of units will be moved north soon.

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KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (9/20/2012 8:49:19 PM)

T74 western Caucasus (Soviet)


I try to extract troops east to reinforce forces defending Baku. Unfortunately it will take few more turns.

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KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (9/20/2012 8:51:28 PM)

T74 eastern Caucasus (Soviet)


Literally "run for the hills" takes place here

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KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (9/20/2012 9:00:35 PM)

T75 south (German)


Still no no German activity outside Caucasus region.

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