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btbw -> Question about Air skill (5/1/2012 2:48:53 PM)

I have question about Air Skill.
Is it useful for LB/DB/TB?




n01487477 -> RE: Question about Air skill (5/1/2012 3:06:13 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: btbw

I have question about Air Skill.
Is it useful for LB/DB/TB?

Are you talking about a leaders skill or pilot ability (where there are many different variables)?




btbw -> RE: Question about Air skill (5/1/2012 4:58:33 PM)

Sorry, about pilot skill.




crsutton -> RE: Question about Air skill (5/2/2012 4:04:37 AM)

Air to air combat.




Rob Brennan UK -> RE: Question about Air skill (5/2/2012 4:59:18 PM)

Yup air skill and defensive skill are best for fighters. Air to kill the enemy and defensive to get home again [;)]




Cavalry Corp -> RE: Question about Air skill (5/2/2012 5:03:21 PM)

How does experience relate to air skill?




Sardaukar -> RE: Question about Air skill (5/2/2012 5:21:18 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: cavalry

How does experience relate to air skill?


This is my personal opinion, but I think EXP > Air. Only Devs know exact relation..and they are not telling. It way also be that different skills trigger at different phases of A2A.




crsutton -> RE: Question about Air skill (5/3/2012 12:52:08 AM)

Yep, you will get a diversity of opinion here but I rate overall experience as the most important factor.




KenchiSulla -> RE: Question about Air skill (5/3/2012 5:47:36 AM)

Play for a while.. While replacing pilots after combat you'll notice that a very high portion of (relatively) unexperienced pilots was KIA/WIA/MIA.. The vets last longer but it adds up over time ofcourse..




btbw -> RE: Question about Air skill (5/3/2012 2:36:27 PM)

How AIR Skill of pilots affect on combat of LB/TB/DB? Increase chance to strike enemy fighters?




dr.hal -> RE: Question about Air skill (5/3/2012 4:24:19 PM)

Experience impacts all skills as far as I can tell. For example strafing by a fighter of fighter bomber. Also it impacts when a fighter bombs! I just had P 40E pilots knock the poop out of a Japanese landing in '41 (they had relatively good experience ratings!). While the others on this tread have rightly indicated that the def and air skills are really only applicable to A2A combat, and thus only to fighters. Thus one could argue that Experience is more important IMHO. Hal




Sredni -> RE: Question about Air skill (5/3/2012 6:34:52 PM)

The xp vs airskill debate for fighters is always interesting, but it hardly pertains to the original question.

I don't know if pilots air skill effects level, dive, or torpedo bombers in any real way. I would suspect it doesn't for the simple fact that we can't train them in it while in those bombers. To train up airskill for bomber pilots we would need to first train them as fighter pilots in fighter squadrons and then go through the chore of sending them to the pools and then drawing them into bomber groups for training in their bomber skills.

I could see a rational for airskill effecting their effectiveness at shooting down or driving away enemy fighters, but with the way training works in witpAE I don't think the devs would want or require us to train airskill for bomber pilots.


I seem to vaguely recall a debate about this ages ago... but I have no recollection of any conclusions drawn. Does anyone remember anyone talking about this question before? or running tests to see?




CRations -> RE: Question about Air skill (5/3/2012 7:50:18 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: btbw

Sorry, about pilot skill.



I think for LB/DB/TB you are more worried about bombing/torpedo skills based on how you plan to use them. I mean - you want to hit the target first, right?

CR




LoBaron -> RE: Question about Air skill (5/3/2012 8:19:57 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: btbw

I have question about Air Skill.
Is it useful for LB/DB/TB?


In general Air skill is not neccesary for bombers. If attacked def skil and exp would be the important attributes.
def skill to get out safest from an engagement, exp to bring the crat down safely even if damaged, and not run
astray during the mission.

It is not worth training air skill in favor of others, as bombers are the most skill intensive to train anyhow to make
them versatile.

The only exception are FBs for obvious reason.




Alfred -> RE: Question about Air skill (5/4/2012 8:24:39 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sredni

The xp vs airskill debate for fighters is always interesting, but it hardly pertains to the original question.

I don't know if pilots air skill effects level, dive, or torpedo bombers in any real way. I would suspect it doesn't for the simple fact that we can't train them in it while in those bombers. To train up airskill for bomber pilots we would need to first train them as fighter pilots in fighter squadrons and then go through the chore of sending them to the pools and then drawing them into bomber groups for training in their bomber skills.

I could see a rational for airskill effecting their effectiveness at shooting down or driving away enemy fighters, but with the way training works in witpAE I don't think the devs would want or require us to train airskill for bomber pilots.


I seem to vaguely recall a debate about this ages ago... but I have no recollection of any conclusions drawn. Does anyone remember anyone talking about this question before? or running tests to see?


Assigning "General Training" to the bomber unit will see the bomber pilots increasing their air skill ratings.

The reason why you can't directly assign bomber units to train air to air is not for the reason given above but because there is no air to air mission available for bombers. Same reason why you can't directly train fighter pilots to increase their ASW or naval search skill ratings; it being you can't assign a "naval search" or "ASW" mission to a fighter squadron. But you can assign fighter squadrons to "General Training" and fighter pilots will increase their naval search and ASW skill ratings.

"General Training" is the catch all training mission which allows pilots to increase their skill ratings in areas which they are not able to operate in. The only skill rating which will not be improved is "Naval Tropedo". For that the unit must be equipped with a plane which does carry a torpedo, and if that is the case, training in low level naval attack with the torpedo toggled on, directly improves that skill.

As to the value of skills, LoBaron is basically correct although he does underplay the value of a bomber pilot having a good air skill rating. There are very few bombers configured to down enemy fighters. Allied 4E bombers are an exception. So if you expect your Allied 4E to shoot down enemy fighters, rather than merely survive against and still proceed onto the target, get 4E bomber pilots with good air skill ratings.

Alfred




castor troy -> RE: Question about Air skill (5/4/2012 9:49:06 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Alfred


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sredni

The xp vs airskill debate for fighters is always interesting, but it hardly pertains to the original question.

I don't know if pilots air skill effects level, dive, or torpedo bombers in any real way. I would suspect it doesn't for the simple fact that we can't train them in it while in those bombers. To train up airskill for bomber pilots we would need to first train them as fighter pilots in fighter squadrons and then go through the chore of sending them to the pools and then drawing them into bomber groups for training in their bomber skills.

I could see a rational for airskill effecting their effectiveness at shooting down or driving away enemy fighters, but with the way training works in witpAE I don't think the devs would want or require us to train airskill for bomber pilots.


I seem to vaguely recall a debate about this ages ago... but I have no recollection of any conclusions drawn. Does anyone remember anyone talking about this question before? or running tests to see?


Assigning "General Training" to the bomber unit will see the bomber pilots increasing their air skill ratings.

The reason why you can't directly assign bomber units to train air to air is not for the reason given above but because there is no air to air mission available for bombers. Same reason why you can't directly train fighter pilots to increase their ASW or naval search skill ratings; it being you can't assign a "naval search" or "ASW" mission to a fighter squadron. But you can assign fighter squadrons to "General Training" and fighter pilots will increase their naval search and ASW skill ratings.

"General Training" is the catch all training mission which allows pilots to increase their skill ratings in areas which they are not able to operate in. The only skill rating which will not be improved is "Naval Tropedo". For that the unit must be equipped with a plane which does carry a torpedo, and if that is the case, training in low level naval attack with the torpedo toggled on, directly improves that skill.

As to the value of skills, LoBaron is basically correct although he does underplay the value of a bomber pilot having a good air skill rating. There are very few bombers configured to down enemy fighters. Allied 4E bombers are an exception. So if you expect your Allied 4E to shoot down enemy fighters, rather than merely survive against and still proceed onto the target, get 4E bomber pilots with good air skill ratings.Alfred



not really. A2A for a bomber does nothing when shooting at a fighter. Def does. You can go test this very easily, I had to find it out doing an ingame test "by mistake".




LoBaron -> RE: Question about Air skill (5/4/2012 10:56:04 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: castor troy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Alfred


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sredni

The xp vs airskill debate for fighters is always interesting, but it hardly pertains to the original question.

I don't know if pilots air skill effects level, dive, or torpedo bombers in any real way. I would suspect it doesn't for the simple fact that we can't train them in it while in those bombers. To train up airskill for bomber pilots we would need to first train them as fighter pilots in fighter squadrons and then go through the chore of sending them to the pools and then drawing them into bomber groups for training in their bomber skills.

I could see a rational for airskill effecting their effectiveness at shooting down or driving away enemy fighters, but with the way training works in witpAE I don't think the devs would want or require us to train airskill for bomber pilots.


I seem to vaguely recall a debate about this ages ago... but I have no recollection of any conclusions drawn. Does anyone remember anyone talking about this question before? or running tests to see?


Assigning "General Training" to the bomber unit will see the bomber pilots increasing their air skill ratings.

The reason why you can't directly assign bomber units to train air to air is not for the reason given above but because there is no air to air mission available for bombers. Same reason why you can't directly train fighter pilots to increase their ASW or naval search skill ratings; it being you can't assign a "naval search" or "ASW" mission to a fighter squadron. But you can assign fighter squadrons to "General Training" and fighter pilots will increase their naval search and ASW skill ratings.

"General Training" is the catch all training mission which allows pilots to increase their skill ratings in areas which they are not able to operate in. The only skill rating which will not be improved is "Naval Tropedo". For that the unit must be equipped with a plane which does carry a torpedo, and if that is the case, training in low level naval attack with the torpedo toggled on, directly improves that skill.

As to the value of skills, LoBaron is basically correct although he does underplay the value of a bomber pilot having a good air skill rating. There are very few bombers configured to down enemy fighters. Allied 4E bombers are an exception. So if you expect your Allied 4E to shoot down enemy fighters, rather than merely survive against and still proceed onto the target, get 4E bomber pilots with good air skill ratings.Alfred



not really. A2A for a bomber does nothing when shooting at a fighter. Def does. You can go test this very easily, I had to find it out doing an ingame test "by mistake".


Exactly.

Air skill is only used for F/FB related dice rolls evaluating the success of attacks in case the pilot holds the initiative,
or dice rolls evaluating success in attempting to gain the initiative in combat (whereas the second part is only an
assumption and could well be another flavor part of the attack rolls).
At the moment the pilot reacts to an (air skill governed) attack, def skill is the only governing attribute, this is even
true for fighter pilots (which makes def skill so important).

Bombers never hold the initiative in A2A, they only react, so for all A2A related dice rolls they solely rely on def skill.




btbw -> RE: Question about Air skill (5/4/2012 1:20:40 PM)

Thank you for answers)




Cavalry Corp -> RE: Question about Air skill (5/4/2012 2:29:34 PM)

I notice , I think that experience goes up itself a bit training especially on general training???

But you need to fly missions to get the experience up...




crsutton -> RE: Question about Air skill (5/4/2012 2:50:57 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: cavalry

I notice , I think that experience goes up itself a bit training especially on general training???

But you need to fly missions to get the experience up...


Yes, you can work exp up to 50 or slightly over 50 when training. But after that you have to assign them missions. Any mission and their exp will slowly creep up-faster in combat. I just looked over my soviet fighter pilots who have been set on 30Cap and 20 training for about a year and a half and then I sort of forgot about them. They are all at a nice 70-70 skill level.




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