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JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/6/2014 10:19:43 AM)
So, turn is off to Erik now. Not much planned for tomorrow but some smaller naval sweeps to try and get rid of more "Es". I did send in a CL TF with and mixed bag of CLs including some ancient ones. I think Helena, Richmond, Leander and Gambia? Its intended as a "BB killer" TF with as many TTs as possible. My remaining Gridleys and Mahans are with them. Could get lucky! More sweeps over the HI as usual. I havn´t been too happy with the results lately. I´m hovering around 2:1 but Erik on the defensive probably saves a lot of pilots. I had high hopes for yesterday when I used 150 P47-25 with good pilots. Didn´t even manage 2:1 and lost 40 P47s and 22 pilots. Yuck. [:(] Did notice that the base they were flying from lacked an AirHQ. The groups flying from that base took appalling losses while 2 groups flying from a base with AirHQ did very well. Not sure if it was the HQ or if they just arrived last when the defenders were spent. Nonetheless we press on. Corsairs for tomorrow. First night time 2E strike goes in tomorrow. Using 2Es instead of 4Es allows me to put more bombs on target per engine. The drawback is that they arn´t as sturdy and will take higher losses from AA. That and the range of course. But its a means to keep pressure up while the 4Es recover.

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/6/2014 4:45:41 PM)
Advice/thoughts needed ______________________________________________________________________________ I´m not sure how I want to play this. Erik has adopted a very aggressive stance with the KB. While I have numbers on my side Erik has absolutely nothing to lose. I on the other hand have 5000 AV in Korea that would be lost in the event of a catastrophic Allied defeat. Dancing around and trying to avoid that silly 8 hex strike is nerve wrecking. If I hadn´t changed orders for the fleet on a gut feeling just before ending the turn he would have gotten the 8 hex strike this turn. So do I take the chance? The Allied fleet is still formidable but if I was to suffer serious damage to my CVs to the extend I could no longer defend the LOC to Korea I´m toast. Numbers are certainly on my side as can be seen below. But I have to withstand 2000 LBA bombers as well as making sure the rest of the Fleet is safe. Especially the combat troops for Kaishu. ------------------------ Allied CV Fleet ------------------------ Fighters: 1700 (About 50/50 CAP/ESCORT) Divebombers: 510 Torpedo bombers: 480 Do I dare gamble? Or do I play as safely as possible just doing my best to get Moppo open again? A part of me is itching to go ahead with the landing at Kaishu. But is it a bridge to far? [image]local://upfiles/32406/FE25DC4BF6FD4134AD510369A6D617AB.jpg[/image]

Amoral -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/6/2014 5:33:16 PM)
What will make a landing at Taikyu more supportable than the one you already have at Moppo?

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/6/2014 5:35:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Amoral What will make a landing at Taikyu more supportable than the one you already have at Moppo? No enemy naval bombardments and far away from the 2000 bombers on Kyushu. [:)]

koniu -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/6/2014 5:49:50 PM)
Question is do You will be able to support two major landings at one time If something go wrong You not only fail to land or support Kaishu but You will risk Moppo also. I will wait few weeks until Moppo situation will clear. If not manage to open Moppo i will land in Kaishu. Look at situation You facing like it is 1950[:D] Only difference is that You are sieged in wrong corner of South Korea. I will also give full command to Douglas MacArthur, i believe he will be good for that task[:D]

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/6/2014 7:26:58 PM)
30th May -45 ______________________________________________________________________________ Mostly happy about the turn ------------------------ Korea ------------------------ The mixed CL force doesn´t encounter any BBs but manages to sink 14-16 "Es" and retiring safely back towards Naha. No losses except two subs. No naval bombardments were undertaken today but bombers hit the airfield. Erik might have decided to try and keep it close via air instead of risking the BBs to subs, PTs and mines. We will next turn if the BBs come back. I decided to head North with the fleet for now to put some distance from the KB. I have decided on a course of action here. Post coming tomorrow as I´m too tired right now. ------------------------ China ------------------------ Things continue to go well here. We easily forced our way over the river towards Kweiyang! quote: Ground combat at 75,50 (near Kweiyang) Allied Shock attack Attacking force 65470 troops, 788 guns, 162 vehicles, Assault Value = 2604 Defending force 3383 troops, 28 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 31 Allied adjusted assault: 2596 Japanese adjusted defense: 1 Allied assault odds: 2596 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), supply(-) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: 4025 casualties reported Squads: 129 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 290 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 5 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 34 (34 destroyed, 0 disabled) Units destroyed 4 Allied ground losses: 68 casualties reported Squads: 2 destroyed, 5 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Assaulting units: 16th Chindit Brigade 11th (East African) Division 3rd New Chinese Corps 81st (West African) Division 6th New Chinese Corps Defending units: 12th Ind.Infantry Brigade 17th Division 149th JAAF AF Bn 3rd Ind. Engr Rgt /1 This mean 15.000 Chinese AV will be in supply shortly. [sm=00000622.gif] In the south Eriks Canton stack look closer and closer to doom. quote: Morning Air attack on 63rd Division, at 82,54 (Pingsiang) Weather in hex: Thunderstorms Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 5 minutes Allied aircraft B-25D1 Mitchell x 18 B-25H Mitchell x 3 B-25J1 Mitchell x 44 B-25J11 Mitchell x 73 PBJ-1D Mitchell x 13 Allied aircraft losses B-25D1 Mitchell: 4 damaged B-25J1 Mitchell: 3 damaged B-25J11 Mitchell: 10 damaged PBJ-1D Mitchell: 3 damaged Japanese ground losses: 588 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 42 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 38 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Guns lost 16 (1 destroyed, 15 disabled) Also attacking 51st Division ... Also attacking 63rd Division ... Also attacking 32nd Division .. So its 3 divisions that are being pounded from the air so they are stuck in combat mode. At least 10 days before they can open the hex side. I hope the weather clears and the 4Es start flying again soon. CMA can launch the first attack in 2 days. Looking very good here! ------------------------ Strat bombing ------------------------ The 2Es didn´t take off. I´ve had to stop day light sweeps and bombing for now. I needed to gather all divided recon units so they could upgrade to newer models as the pools of older ones had run dry. This means 80% of my recon capacity are now repairing after upgrades. Should be going again in a couple of days. [image]local://upfiles/32406/EB7E3534D2C94ACAA23FFD410A2815C1.jpg[/image]

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/6/2014 9:28:36 PM)
I'm confused. You have Okinawa. You have a big AF in Korea with massive AV. You have P-51s, which can fly almost to San Francisco and back. Why are you worried about the CVs protecting themselves? Getting supply to Korea is job 1, 2 and 3. Screw the sweeps, put the strat bombing on the shelf for a week, and force the supplies onto the beach. Stop thinking about playing with airplanes and support the troops ashore!!!! [;)] In the geography you're in most of the CAP over ships ought to be LBA. Even over carriers. Focus on the one job you simply cannot fail to do. There's no list. There's just supplies. Once that's done you can review the list and worry about E-hunting and sweeps and bombing factories. You're reacting to his moves. Make him react to you. It's May 1945 for cryin' out loud.

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/7/2014 5:00:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58 I'm confused. You have Okinawa. You have a big AF in Korea with massive AV. You have P-51s, which can fly almost to San Francisco and back. Why are you worried about the CVs protecting themselves? Getting supply to Korea is job 1, 2 and 3. Screw the sweeps, put the strat bombing on the shelf for a week, and force the supplies onto the beach. Stop thinking about playing with airplanes and support the troops ashore!!!! [;)] In the geography you're in most of the CAP over ships ought to be LBA. Even over carriers. Focus on the one job you simply cannot fail to do. There's no list. There's just supplies. Once that's done you can review the list and worry about E-hunting and sweeps and bombing factories. You're reacting to his moves. Make him react to you. It's May 1945 for cryin' out loud. Ah, and that is the heart of my problem. Getting supply and troops to the beach that is. At the moment I can´t without huge losses. The airfield is well and truly shut. The engineers at Moppo have disruption between 50 and 80. They will need at least a week of uninterrupted rest before they can get the airfield open again. And they arn´t getting any rest. 500 Fighters and 500 bombers visit daily now. And the naval bombardment can go in again at any point. Moppo is 10 hexes from my closest base. No way I can get LRCAP up in sufficient numbers so it has to be from the CVs. Problem with that is that with the KB position I have keep my CVs 5 hexes from Moppo or be within range of the KB. And I don´t fancy taking a KB strike with much of my CAP LRCAPing Moppo. There isn´t any clear solution that I can see right now. Well there is one thing though...I could lay a CAP trap for Erik intentionally drawing a KB strike into something LRCAPed from the CVs. Not sure how comfortable I would be doing that though.

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/7/2014 5:37:17 AM)
31st May -45 ______________________________________________________________________________ Nightfigthters reach new silliness levels! [8\|] ------------------------ Korea ------------------------ So as I said the fleet withdrew NW to get out of KB range. I also want to see if Erik is going to follow North. He didn´t this turn but we will see the next one. I´m going to hold here for a turn. I need to refuel some of the DD TFs. No naval bombardments this turn but the IJAAF continue to show up in force. This is one of 3 big strikes. They were preceded by a massive number of LRCAP supported sweeps. quote: Morning Air attack on Moppo , at 100,54 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid detected at 163 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 45 minutes Japanese aircraft N1K2-J George x 27 Ki-43-IV Oscar x 40 Ki-67-Ib Peggy x 28 Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 115 Ki-84a Frank x 83 Ki-102b Randy x 3 Allied aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 3 damaged Allied aircraft losses PBM-3D Mariner: 2 damaged PBM-3D Mariner: 1 destroyed on ground Allied Ships SS Tantivy, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk Allied ground losses: 66 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled Guns lost 6 (1 destroyed, 5 disabled) Airbase hits 14 Runway hits 25 Disruption is so bad the AA isn´t even shooting back any more. All units have 50-80 DIS and nothing is being repaired on the airfield. Moppo is well and truly shut down. If completely left alone I would think 10-15 days to recover the troops and get the airfield up and running again. My mistake here was underestimating the power of the Naval bombardments and Eriks willingness to risk his BBs against Mines, PTs and subs. Well played by him! ------------------------ China ------------------------ The weather finally clears and Eriks relief force take an absolute pounding from the 2Es from Canton and 4Es from Saigon. quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 32nd Division, at 82,54 (Pingsiang) Weather in hex: Severe storms Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 6 minutes Allied aircraft Liberator B.VI x 14 B-24J Liberator x 11 B-17E Fortress x 3 B-17F Fortress x 4 B-24D1 Liberator x 8 B-24J Liberator x 72 PB4Y-1 Liberator x 18 Allied aircraft losses B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged B-17F Fortress: 3 damaged B-24D1 Liberator: 3 damaged B-24J Liberator: 17 damaged Japanese ground losses: 919 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 50 disabled Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 89 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled Guns lost 14 (1 destroyed, 13 disabled) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on 51st Division, at 82,54 (Pingsiang) Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 5 minutes Allied aircraft B-25H Mitchell x 38 B-25J1 Mitchell x 42 B-25J11 Mitchell x 41 PBJ-1D Mitchell x 13 PBJ-1H Mitchell x 14 PBJ-1J Mitchell x 13 Allied aircraft losses B-25H Mitchell: 2 damaged B-25J1 Mitchell: 3 damaged B-25J11 Mitchell: 4 damaged PBJ-1D Mitchell: 3 damaged PBJ-1H Mitchell: 2 damaged Japanese ground losses: 1006 casualties reported Squads: 2 destroyed, 55 disabled Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 76 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled Erik stopped movement and looks to have given up on trying to open the hexside to the Canton stack. The CMA + the OZ corps have now reached the relief force and will attack tomorrow. Its x2 terrain but I hope supply, disruption, superior numbers and quality of forces will be enough. There is a good chance I can inflict enough damage to knock these 3 IDs out from the war. Erik bombarded with the Canton stack. Probably trying to see if he could break out on his own. quote: Ground combat at 81,55 (near Pingsiang) Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 2533 troops, 314 guns, 50 vehicles, Assault Value = 3695 Defending force 63098 troops, 1307 guns, 1201 vehicles, Assault Value = 2101 Japanese ground losses: 11 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 64 (34 destroyed, 30 disabled) Vehicles lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled) Allied ground losses: 43 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled He might try an attack here tomorrow. It won´t work though. He would need at least three times the AV. In Northern China the 17k Chinese AV have are now in supply!! [X(] I´ll wait two more days though so the retreat is cut off by my forces coming up from the south. ------------------------ Borneo ------------------------ Miri is secured. quote: Ground combat at Miri (64,87) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 9583 troops, 165 guns, 169 vehicles, Assault Value = 395 Defending force 5941 troops, 27 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 21 Allied adjusted assault: 120 Japanese adjusted defense: 57 Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0) Allied forces CAPTURE Miri !!! Japanese aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses E15K1 Norm: 2 destroyed Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), morale(-), experience(-) supply(-) Attacker: leaders(-), fatigue(-) Japanese ground losses: 1294 casualties reported Squads: 11 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 194 destroyed, 4 disabled Engineers: 54 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled) Units retreated 8 Allied ground losses: 27 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled ------------------------ Strat bombing ------------------------ My 2Es finally took off and this led to some new silliness. Here is the CAP they encountered. quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Air attack on Kumamoto , at 102,59 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 22 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5d-S Zero x 4 J1N1-Sa Irving x 23 P1Y2-S Frances x 11 Anyone want to take a guess on how many 2Es 38 Nightfigters can shoot down? Fourtyfour. Yes. 38 NFs shot down 44 2Es. At night. Many of which are faster then the NFs... Great. [8\|] [image]local://upfiles/32406/7C6F64D3E1EB405B8736BE1DC1C0653F.jpg[/image]

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/7/2014 6:17:29 AM)
China ______________________________________________________________________________ Things are starting to fall into place. I don´t think Erik can save his Canton stack and in trying to do so he exposed another 3 IDs to possible destruction. Tomorrow will be a deciding day. I think Erik will try and break out the Canton stack on their own. The troops are lost anyway so he might as well try. Barring a catastrophic allied roll there is no way they should be able to break out. If the Canton stack is defeated China is truly defeated. There are no more troops between the Allied MLR and Shanghai. The outcome in Northern China is already given considering the sheer numbers here. Although the Chinese troops have had very little impact on the liberation of China so far. [image]local://upfiles/32406/1A6129B84A6440D980AE840D2868F9A2.jpg[/image]

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/7/2014 7:53:03 AM)
Soviets are here! ______________________________________________________________________________ This is so cool! [:D] Around 12.000 AV added to whats already there! quote: 6th Guards Tank Army arrives at Tamsag 422nd Rocket Field Artillery Battalion arrives at San Francisco 1e French Base Force arrives at United Kingdom ETO Reinforcements arrives at Eastern USA 5th Army arrives at Vladivostok 39th Army arrives at Tamsag 53rd Army arrives at Choybalsan Cav-Mech.Group arrives at Oboto 14th Anti-Tank Brigade arrives at Blagoveshchensk 63rd Rifle Division arrives at Vladivostok 97th Rifle Division arrives at Vladivostok 144th Rifle Division arrives at Vladivostok 157th Rifle Division arrives at Vladivostok 159th Rifle Division arrives at Vladivostok 184th Rifle Division arrives at Vladivostok 215th Rifle Division arrives at Vladivostok 277th Rifle Division arrives at Vladivostok 371st Rifle Division arrives at Vladivostok 33rd AA Division arrives at Vladivostok 333rd Guards SU Regiment arrives at Vladivostok 378th Guards SU Regiment arrives at Vladivostok 395th Guards SU Regiment arrives at Vladivostok 478th Guards SU Regiment arrives at Vladivostok 479th Guards SU Regiment arrives at Vladivostok 480th Guards SU Regiment arrives at Vladivostok 15th Guards Cannon Brigade arrives at Vladivostok 107th Hvy.Howitzer Brigade arrives at Vladivostok 119th Hvy.Howitzer Brigade arrives at Vladivostok 17th Guards Mortar Brigade arrives at Vladivostok 20th Guards Mortar Brigade arrives at Vladivostok 26th Guards Mortar Brigade arrives at Vladivostok 2nd/307th Gd.Mortar Regiment arrives at Vladivostok 26th/42nd Gd.Mortar Regiment arrives at Vladivostok 72nd/74th Gd.Mortar Regiment arrives at Vladivostok 283rd Guards Mortar Regiment arrives at Vladivostok 335th Guards SU Regiment arrives at Spassk-Dalniy 338th Guards SU Regiment arrives at Spassk-Dalniy 339th Guards SU Regiment arrives at Spassk-Dalniy 54th Guards Mortar Regiment arrives at Spassk-Dalniy 67th Guards Mortar Regiment arrives at Bikin 5th Guards Tank Corps arrives at Tamsag 7th Guards Mechanized Corps arrives at Tamsag 9th Guards Mechanized Corps arrives at Tamsag 8th Gd.Motorcycle Regiment arrives at Tamsag 202nd Lt.Artillery Brigade arrives at Tamsag 30th AA Division arrives at Tamsag 8th Engr-Sapper Bde arrives at Tamsag 22nd Engr-Sapper Bde arrives at Tamsag 17th Guards Rifle Division arrives at Tamsag 19th Guards Rifle Division arrives at Tamsag 91st Guards Rifle Division arrives at Tamsag 124th Rifle Division arrives at Tamsag 192nd Rifle Division arrives at Tamsag 221st Rifle Division arrives at Tamsag 228th Rifle Division arrives at Tamsag 262nd Rifle Division arrives at Tamsag 358th Rifle Division arrives at Tamsag 3rd Gd.Breakthrough Artillery Division arrives at Tamsag 6th Gd.Breakthrough Artillery Division arrives at Tamsag 14th AA Division arrives at Tamsag 735th SU Regiment arrives at Tamsag 927th SU Regiment arrives at Tamsag 1197th SU Regiment arrives at Tamsag 610th AT Gun Regiment arrives at Tamsag 1st Guards Airborne Division arrives at Choybalsan 109th Guards Rifle Division arrives at Choybalsan 110th Guards Rifle Division arrives at Choybalsan 6th Rifle Division arrives at Choybalsan 52nd Rifle Division arrives at Choybalsan 203rd Rifle Division arrives at Choybalsan 243rd Rifle Division arrives at Choybalsan 1316th Anti-Tank Brigade arrives at Choybalsan 152nd Cannon Brigade arrives at Choybalsan 461st Mortar Regiment arrives at Choybalsan 52nd Guards Mortar Regiment arrives at Choybalsan 53rd Guards Mortar Regiment arrives at Choybalsan 17th AA Division arrives at Choybalsan 239th/376th AA Battalion arrives at Choybalsan 54th Engr-Sapper Bde arrives at Choybalsan 7th AA Division arrives at Chita Indpdt Sailings Supply Convoy arrives at Aden Indpdt Sailings Supply Convoy arrives at Aden Indpt Sailings Supply Convoy arrives at Cristobal Look at the EXP of these units. And their TOEs. [X(] [image]local://upfiles/32406/C5D7FEA70FF948A0A4989A565F44CD67.jpg[/image]

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/7/2014 1:22:09 PM)
1st June -45 ______________________________________________________________________________ A very good day! Have only seen the replay though. ------------------------ Korea ------------------------ Not much to report here. I might have lost track of the KB. I got no "Enemy carriers spotted" during the search phase. That havn´t been foolproof though. A bit worried by the sudden stillness. Looks like Erik have sent home the "Es" and PBs. No naval bombardment and not flights against the airfield...hmm. ------------------------ China ------------------------ Here are the good news! quote: Ground combat at Pingsiang (82,54) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 61476 troops, 1021 guns, 2237 vehicles, Assault Value = 2831 Defending force 36595 troops, 403 guns, 113 vehicles, Assault Value = 1028 Allied adjusted assault: 1915 Japanese adjusted defense: 193 Allied assault odds: 9 to 1 (fort level 0) Allied forces CAPTURE Pingsiang !!! Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 14965 casualties reported Squads: 392 destroyed, 261 disabled Non Combat: 608 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 158 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 191 (190 destroyed, 1 disabled) Vehicles lost 85 (85 destroyed, 0 disabled) Units retreated 5 Allied ground losses: 678 casualties reported Squads: 3 destroyed, 91 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 24 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 18 disabled Guns lost 11 (1 destroyed, 10 disabled) Defeated Japanese Units Retreating! The CMA and Aussis will give chase towards Changsha. The arty will be sent back towards the Canton stack. We will start destroying that one right away. Japanese resistance in China has now completely collapsed! [&o] quote: Ground combat at Hong Kong (77,61) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 83931 troops, 1590 guns, 1530 vehicles, Assault Value = 2572 Defending force 13071 troops, 126 guns, 80 vehicles, Assault Value = 140 Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 3 Allied adjusted assault: 1803 Japanese adjusted defense: 377 Allied assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 3) Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 3 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 1677 casualties reported Squads: 33 destroyed, 131 disabled Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 77 disabled Engineers: 4 destroyed, 13 disabled Guns lost 30 (9 destroyed, 21 disabled) Allied ground losses: 349 casualties reported Squads: 2 destroyed, 16 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled Engineers: 2 destroyed, 36 disabled Guns lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled) Vehicles lost 6 (1 destroyed, 5 disabled) Hong Kong will most likely be secured next turn. [:)] A good day!

catwhoorg -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/7/2014 2:22:14 PM)
OMG, some of those Russian units are just obscene. Never seen the details before.

Lokasenna -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/7/2014 5:19:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: catwhoorg OMG, some of those Russian units are just obscene. Never seen the details before. Some? [X(]

Captain Cruft -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/7/2014 5:19:22 PM)
What is the Soviet supply situation like? That is a lot of hardware and manpower to support ...

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/7/2014 5:26:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Captain Cruft What is the Soviet supply situation like? That is a lot of hardware and manpower to support ... About 5 million. It will probably last a month or possibly even two. But I have 3 100 ship TFs about to leave the WC to bring in another 1,5 million. I just havn´t figured out how to get it the last bit yet! [:D]

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/7/2014 5:28:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: catwhoorg OMG, some of those Russian units are just obscene. Never seen the details before. I´m especially fond of the "Guards Artillery Breakthrough division". Just the name makes me go all warm! [:D]

koniu -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/7/2014 5:37:20 PM)
You will not find "compromise" word in Russian dictionary They like big things[X(]

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/7/2014 5:42:44 PM)
Soviets air force is also here! ______________________________________________________________________________ Heh, Perhaps the Soviet airforce won´t be such a pushover as I thought. AS looks GRIM though. Not even close to enough. Quick count and I think I lack something like 1000-1200 AS to cover everything. [&:] I´m going to ask Erik if I can rebase some Soviet planes to US bases if they don´t conduct any mission from those bases. quote: 16 IAP-TOF arrives at Soviet Union 27 IAP-TOF arrives at Soviet Union 31 IAP-STOF arrives at Soviet Union 147 IAD-PVO/34 IAP arrives at Soviet Union 41 OIAP-STOF arrives at Soviet Union 42 OIAP-STOF arrives at Soviet Union 43 IAP-TOF arrives at Soviet Union 45 IAP-TOF arrives at Soviet Union 149 IAD-PVO/400 IAP arrives at Soviet Union 297 IAD-PVO/401 IAP arrives at Soviet Union 147 IAD-PVO/404 IAP arrives at Soviet Union 147 IAD-PVO/429 IAP arrives at Soviet Union 246 IAD/551 IAP arrives at Soviet Union 29 IAD/554 IAP arrives at Soviet Union 147 IAD-PVO/564 IAP arrives at Soviet Union 246 IAD/718 IAP arrives at Soviet Union 296 IAD/777 IAP arrives at Soviet Union 297 IAD-PVO/938 IAP arrives at Soviet Union 297 IAD-PVO/939 IAP arrives at Soviet Union 334 BAD/12 BAP arrives at Soviet Union 334 BAD/132 BAP arrives at Soviet Union 334 BAD/454 BAP arrives at Soviet Union 113 BAD/ 815 DBAP arrives at Soviet Union 113 BAD/ 836 DBAP arrives at Soviet Union 113 BAD/ 855 DBAP arrives at Soviet Union 36 MTAP-TOF arrives at Soviet Union 2 MTAD-TOF/49 MTAP arrives at Soviet Union 2 MTAD-TOF/52 MTAP arrives at Soviet Union 55 OPBAP-TOF arrives at Soviet Union 96 ShAD/75 ShAP arrives at Soviet Union 316 ShAD/336 ShAP arrives at Soviet Union 128 SAD/410 ShAP arrives at Petropavlovsk 316 ShAD/563 ShAP arrives at Soviet Union 140 DRAE arrives at Soviet Union 50 MRAP-TOF arrives at Soviet Union 76 MRAE-TOF arrives at Soviet Union 21 GTRAD/49 GTRAP arrives at Soviet Union 21 GTRAD/50 GTRAP arrives at Soviet Union 21 GTRAD/51 GTRAP arrives at Soviet Union [image]local://upfiles/32406/211CE4757C244F01A9DDA9092C86E7DE.jpg[/image]

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/7/2014 5:44:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: koniu You will not find "compromise" word in Russian dictionary They like big things[X(] No kidding! [:D]

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/7/2014 5:45:38 PM)
Reinforcements have arrived! ______________________________________________________________________________ Don´t think I will run out of tanks anytime soon. [:'(] [image]local://upfiles/32406/C1A78867DB3D48C9B0BFB0C9FF9E0093.jpg[/image]

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/7/2014 5:54:52 PM)
Soviet Army! ______________________________________________________________________________ Here is most of the..."stuff"... I wonder if Erik has taken a look at this. Doubt he would have sent 5000 AV down to Korea if he had. Its actually kind of silly how powerful the Soviets are. I though the USMC IDs were powerful...but this is something else entirely. The amount of artillery they have is astonishing. [image]local://upfiles/32406/584C96B1964846E68D1C482C98CB6558.jpg[/image]

witpqs -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/7/2014 6:15:22 PM)
Look in Tracker - Devices - Squads to see how the firepower of the squads stacks up, both anti-soft and anti-hard.

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/7/2014 6:43:59 PM)
Plan for 2nd of May ______________________________________________________________________________ As I mentioned earlier I´ve decided to on a course of action in Korea. Having the KB in the area is actually pretty annoying. Its presence is constricting my movement and making things a lot harder then it should be. Constantly worrying about that bloody 8 hex strike is REALLY annoying. So I decided that for the first time since 1942 that sinking the KB is actually of strategic importance. Quite possibly its just psychological but I want it done. It may not sound as the most well thought trough course of action but my gut tells me this is what needs to be done. I have 3 times the numbers and there is no reason I should shy combat away from LBA at this point. Main thought here is to stay as far away from Japanese LBA as possible while getting in range of the KB. Drawback with this plan is that I will have to leave behind some slower TFs that won´t be able to keep up. The PTs and LSTs in particular. But for the last turn only 4-5 Jakes have flown against the TFs so its a reasonable risk. It will also put a lot of Amphibs with troops on them in harms way under the CV cover. But in all honestly...if some of Eriks strike planes go after the Amphibs instead of the CV/CVEs its a pretty good trade for me... I don´t know if Erik will swallow the bait but I don´t think he will ignore a landing in the North. And I´ve certainly done what I can to make it look like I´m moving for it! Here is how I plan to do it. Won´t send the turn until tomorrow so any thoughts are welcome! [image]local://upfiles/32406/063788BE73DD4F69B8249F01AB3F844C.jpg[/image]

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/8/2014 5:58:47 AM)
Since I´ve heard no cries of horrer I assume no one has any objections to my splendid plan? :D

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/8/2014 7:28:09 AM)
Turn is sent to Erik. Fingers crossed. I really can´t afford anything short of a draw this time around if we have a CV clash. Gah. [X(]

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/8/2014 8:23:40 AM)
CV Battle outside Korea - 2nd of May ______________________________________________________________________________ Got the replay back. I THINK I won...but not without losses. Erik didn´t head North as expected but rather due West ending up in the straight between Korea and Kyushu. The feeling when I counted the hexes and realized it was 7 hexes and not 8... [:)] I havn´t seen the turn file yet and it will be a while before I get it. Here are the 3 strikes that mattered. ------------------------ Japanese Strikes ------------------------ This is the 3rd Jap strike of the day. Two previous ones where destroyed by the CAP. ALL the strike planes got through without a single loss from the CAP... for the millionth time. I´m not sure how Erik does it but it works! quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Keijo at 102,49 Weather in hex: Overcast Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 36 minutes Japanese aircraft A7M2 Sam x 197 B7A2 Grace x 110 D4Y4 Judy x 126 Allied aircraft Corsair II x 38 Corsair IV x 154 Seafire IIC x 20 Seafire L.III x 28 F4U-1A Corsair x 274 F4U-1D Corsair x 433 Japanese aircraft losses A7M2 Sam: 42 destroyed B7A2 Grace: 8 destroyed, 11 damaged B7A2 Grace: 3 destroyed by flak D4Y4 Judy: 2 destroyed, 7 damaged D4Y4 Judy: 3 destroyed by flak Allied aircraft losses Corsair II: 1 destroyed Corsair IV: 3 destroyed Seafire L.III: 3 destroyed F4U-1A Corsair: 3 destroyed F4U-1D Corsair: 2 destroyed Allied Ships CVE Attacker, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage CVE Hollandia, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk CV Randolph DD Hobby CVE Activity, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk CVE Admiralty Island, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk CVE Sitkoh Bay, Bomb hits 8, and is sunk CVE Begum, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage CVE Steamer Bay, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk CVE Wake Island, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage CVE Battler, Bomb hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage CVE Kalinin Bay, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage CVE Ranee, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk CVE Manila Bay, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage CVE Attu, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage CVE Munda, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage CVE Shamrock Bay, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires CV Implacable CVE Fencer, Torpedo hits 1 CVL San Jacinto CVL Belleau Wood DE Hemminger, Bomb hits 1, on fire CVE Rajah, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage CVE Sargent Bay, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk CVE Salamaua, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage CVE Pursuer CVE Empress, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires DE Hutchins, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk DE Spangler, Bomb hits 1 CVE White Plains, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk CVL Princeton, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires CV Intrepid, Kamikaze hits 1 DE Canfield, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage 8 CVEs sunk outright. Most of the other will likely sink. The finally tally will probably end up around 20 CVEs. Sounds pretty much but its less then 600 planes which would leave me with a quite respectable CV force of 2000 planes. ------------------------ Allied strikes ------------------------ Here is the biggest allied strike of the day. Considering how much that actually got through I´m not too pleased with the result. Eriks CAP of course quite quickly come through the escorts and take a massive chunk out of the strike planes. Still not enough though. quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Fusan at 104,56 Weather in hex: Light rain Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 34 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zero x 6 A6M5b Zero x 6 A6M5c Zero x 16 A6M8 Zero x 4 A7M2 Sam x 178 J2M3 Jack x 9 J2M5 Jack x 32 N1K2-J George x 5 Ki-43-IV Oscar x 17 Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 11 Ki-84a Frank x 18 Ki-84r Frank x 110 Ki-100-I Tony x 19 Ki-102a Randy x 8 Ki-102b Randy x 4 Allied aircraft Avenger II x 39 Corsair IV x 4 Hellcat I x 48 Hellcat F.II x 21 F6F-3 Hellcat x 27 F6F-5 Hellcat x 229 SB2C-4 Helldiver x 166 TBM-3 Avenger x 138 Japanese aircraft losses A7M2 Sam: 3 destroyed J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed Ki-100-I Tony: 2 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Avenger II: 3 destroyed, 4 damaged Avenger II: 1 destroyed by flak Hellcat I: 3 destroyed F6F-3 Hellcat: 4 destroyed F6F-5 Hellcat: 15 destroyed SB2C-4 Helldiver: 12 destroyed, 24 damaged SB2C-4 Helldiver: 5 destroyed by flak TBM-3 Avenger: 13 destroyed, 9 damaged TBM-3 Avenger: 2 destroyed by flak Japanese Ships CV Akagi CV Amagi, Bomb hits 5, on fire CV Katsuragi, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires CV Kasagi, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire CV Hiyo, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk BB Kirishima, Bomb hits 1 CVL Ryuho, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage CV Kaga, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage CV Taiho, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage CV Aso CV Unryu DD Hamanami DD Makinami CV Hiryu CV Ikoma DD Yugure DD Fuyuzuki DD Akigumo DD Matsu, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk DD Kashi -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Fusan at 104,56 Weather in hex: Light rain Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 37 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zero x 3 A6M5b Zero x 5 A6M5c Zero x 7 A6M8 Zero x 5 A7M2 Sam x 110 J2M3 Jack x 3 J2M5 Jack x 16 N1K2-J George x 3 Ki-43-IV Oscar x 7 Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 5 Ki-84a Frank x 10 Ki-84r Frank x 62 Ki-100-I Tony x 9 Ki-102a Randy x 7 Ki-102b Randy x 1 Allied aircraft Hellcat I x 6 F6F-5 Hellcat x 68 SB2C-4 Helldiver x 28 TBM-3 Avenger x 38 Japanese aircraft losses A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Hellcat I: 1 destroyed F6F-5 Hellcat: 9 destroyed SB2C-4 Helldiver: 9 destroyed, 5 damaged SB2C-4 Helldiver: 1 destroyed by flak TBM-3 Avenger: 18 destroyed, 4 damaged Japanese Ships CV Taiho, heavy fires, heavy damage CV Amagi, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage CV Katsuragi, heavy fires CV Kasagi, heavy fires CLAA Natori DD Akigumo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Fusan at 104,56 Weather in hex: Light rain Raid detected at 12 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 4 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5b Zero x 2 A6M5c Zero x 2 A6M8 Zero x 4 A7M2 Sam x 58 J2M3 Jack x 3 J2M5 Jack x 10 N1K2-J George x 2 Ki-43-IV Oscar x 4 Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 3 Ki-84a Frank x 7 Ki-84r Frank x 41 Ki-100-I Tony x 7 Ki-102a Randy x 3 Ki-102b Randy x 1 Allied aircraft SB2C-4 Helldiver x 29 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses SB2C-4 Helldiver: 12 destroyed, 4 damaged SB2C-4 Helldiver: 1 destroyed by flak Japanese Ships CVE Kaiyo, Bomb hits 1, on fire CVE Shinyo, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires CVE Taiyo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Fusan at 104,56 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 34 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zero x 5 A6M5b Zero x 4 A6M5c Zero x 15 A6M8 Zero x 9 A7M2 Sam x 130 J2M3 Jack x 8 J2M5 Jack x 36 N1K2-J George x 2 Ki-43-IV Oscar x 16 Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 4 Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 24 Ki-83 x 11 Ki-84a Frank x 33 Ki-84r Frank x 143 Ki-100-I Tony x 50 Ki-102a Randy x 7 Ki-102b Randy x 4 Allied aircraft Avenger II x 15 Hellcat I x 46 Hellcat F.II x 18 F6F-5 Hellcat x 180 SB2C-4 Helldiver x 78 TBM-3 Avenger x 105 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed A7M2 Sam: 11 destroyed J2M3 Jack: 1 destroyed Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed Ki-100-I Tony: 4 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Avenger II: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged Hellcat I: 11 destroyed F6F-5 Hellcat: 16 destroyed SB2C-4 Helldiver: 12 destroyed, 6 damaged SB2C-4 Helldiver: 1 destroyed by flak TBM-3 Avenger: 19 destroyed, 15 damaged Japanese Ships CV Akagi, Torpedo hits 1 CVL Mizuho, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk CVE Kaiyo, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk CVE Shinyo, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk CVE Taiyo, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage CV Aso CS Nisshin, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk DD Mutsuki, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk CV Ikoma CS Chitose, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk DD Natsuzuki, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires DD Satsuki DD Yakaze ------------------------ Japanese losses ------------------------ Going by the damages I would say the following KB ships are either sunk or out of action for the Battle of Korea: CV Akagi, TT 1 CV Amagi 5 Bombs, 1 TT heavy fires, heavy damage CV Katsuragi 2 Bombs heavy firess CV Kasagi 3 Bombs, 1 TT, on fire CV Hiyo 4 TT, confirmed sunk CVL Ryuho 3 Bombs, 2 TTs, Heavy fire, heavy damage CV Kaga, 3 Bombs, 2 TTs on fire, heavy damage CV Taiho 3 bombs, 2 TT on fire, heavy damage CVE Kaiyo Bomb 1, 3 TT confirmed sunk CVE Shinyo Bombs 1, 2 TT confirmed sunk CVL Mizuho 2 bombs, 3 TTs confirmed sunk CVE Taiyo 2 TTs confirmed sunk CS Nissin 2 Bombs, 3 TTs confirmed sunk CS Chitose 4 bombs Confirmed sunk ------------------------ State of the KB ------------------------ Remaining ships: CV Aso CV Ikoma CV Unryu CV Hiryu. I havn´t made the exact count but on a 70 capacity average that is only 280 planes. That means the KB has most likely lost the capability to punch through allied CV CAP. In effect that means KB is neutralized as a force. ------------------------ Win/Loss/Draw ------------------------ I would say the tactical outcome of this was a draw. But a draw means an Allied victory. With 70% of the the KB gone the Allied CV fleet can now dominate the battlefield with much reduced risk. The risk of LBA still remains but with an estimated Allied CV capacity of around 2000 planes LBA shouldn´t pose a lethal threat. As most of the Japanese Navy is now destroyed I can retool the Allied CV fleet to CAP heavy one changing out much of the strike capabilities for a more potent CAP. I´m happy with the result at least! [:)] [image]local://upfiles/32406/1C015FC4DE8E4295B6E5960760052CFE.jpg[/image]

morejeffs -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/8/2014 12:08:53 PM)
Looks like you won..Simply said..When this is done what is the KB left with (assume all the CVs that are heavy damage or heavy fires are out of the war for at least 3 months... The Aso, Akagi (only 1 torpedo), Ikoma and Unryu....That is not much to stop you (not saying it can not deal damage if you have 0 cap over a TF but it is just not that nasty a force.... Vs that, you still have all the Big CVs you started this fight with.... Congrats!

morejeffs -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/8/2014 12:10:33 PM)
It does seem ridiculous that 200 Sam would perfectly protect a strike defended by 900 modern fighters... A total joke....

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/8/2014 12:48:14 PM)
Thank you! [:)] Updated the initial post with some new text and better formatting! A little bit of celebratory music. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnAvNdVyJB0 Here is a cooler version for you Grollub! [:)] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaP3wKVKkSA

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