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Keunert -> RE: Case Blue: Keunert(Soviets) vs Olivier(Axis), no Olivier (7/30/2012 8:55:56 PM)

July 8th 1942, turn 6

To watch the replay is really hard. better drink a beer or two before doing so. Here is a typical example. Olivier first does some air recons behind my line. the idea is to attract my fighters on interception and battle them. after this he does airstrikes on almost all units he plans to attack. he usually attacks with only one divebomber/lvlbomber unit per hex. the airstrike is followed up by an artillery barrage.

in this example he attacks a hex defended by an infantry and a cavalry unit. His attack is one sided (!), his units don't take any damage at all and both soviet units are wiped out. i need another drink.

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Keunert -> RE: Case Blue: Keunert(Soviets) vs Olivier(Axis), no Olivier (7/30/2012 8:59:15 PM)

July 8th 1942, turn 6

This turn the axis started to attack the huge pocket. once again with my units out of supply and HQ range he was able to kill them off without losses. My units suffered 26'000 men, half of it in the pocket the other half by other attacks.

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Keunert -> RE: Case Blue: Keunert(Soviets) vs Olivier(Axis), no Olivier (7/30/2012 9:02:38 PM)

July 8th 1942, turn 6

We got another 2700 men replacements, one infantry division and two tank brigades. Maybe 7500 men in all.

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Keunert -> RE: Case Blue: Keunert(Soviets) vs Olivier(Axis), no Olivier (7/30/2012 9:04:27 PM)

July 8th 1942, turn 6

On average we lose 24'000 infantry men a turn.

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Keunert -> RE: Case Blue: Keunert(Soviets) vs Olivier(Axis), no Olivier (7/30/2012 9:07:15 PM)

July 8th 1942, turn 6

The fighter units should consist of 120 fighters on average. After my disastrous airwar we currently have 36 operational planes / unit. this combined with readiness and ap penalties led me to take them out of the frontline to give them some rest.

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Keunert -> RE: Case Blue: Keunert(Soviets) vs Olivier(Axis), no Olivier (7/30/2012 9:09:53 PM)

July 8th 1942, turn 6

The situation of my infantry divisions is slightly better, but still far from good. their artillery and at equipment is at 50%, infantry is at 50% too.

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Keunert -> RE: Case Blue: Keunert(Soviets) vs Olivier(Axis), no Olivier (7/30/2012 9:13:55 PM)

July 8th 1942, turn 6

Here the HQ unit and commander of the 5th TA: this HQ did benefit of most HQ personnel reshuffle cards. with 74% this is my best HQ. Liziukov is probably my best commander too, he gets three command points per round and has a good audacity level. Nevertheless this seems to be my most troubled army. it has organizational problems since the start of the axis advance.

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Keunert -> RE: Case Blue: Keunert(Soviets) vs Olivier(Axis), no Olivier (7/30/2012 9:16:54 PM)

July 8th 1942, turn 6

And here what happens to the units: organizational problems reduce offensive and defensive by 25%. i did try to attack with those, supported by an attack card: the result was frustrating.

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Keunert -> RE: Case Blue: Keunert(Soviets) vs Olivier(Axis), no Olivier (7/30/2012 9:27:32 PM)

July 8th 1942, turn 6

North

The pocket is under attack. Olivier waited one turn until the supply penalties makes his attacks easier. A newly available guard inf. div. took position in Voronezh. Stavka ordered me to hold the city for another two weeks! No way this will happen. I think the order is worth 14PP, i currently have 12. if i understand the dismissal rule correct the loss of Voronezh will likely result in me having to resign and going to a very cold place.

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Keunert -> RE: Case Blue: Keunert(Soviets) vs Olivier(Axis), no Olivier (7/30/2012 9:32:33 PM)

July 8th 1942, turn 6

Center

The goal here is to reach the Don before the Panzers do. But if i won't be able to man the line behind the Don with fresh and entrenched units this line won't be worth a dime.

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Keunert -> RE: Case Blue: Keunert(Soviets) vs Olivier(Axis), no Olivier (7/30/2012 9:36:33 PM)

July 8th 1942, turn 6

Center South

Not much happening here.

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Keunert -> RE: Case Blue: Keunert(Soviets) vs Olivier(Axis), no Olivier (7/30/2012 9:48:48 PM)

July 8th 1942, turn 6

South

The transports from Sevastopol are starting to unload troops near Rostow. Sevastopol is still holding. But the next attack will take the city. My navy does recon along the coast. so far the 11th A seems still to be, at least in part, on the Krim. In front of Rostow only some heavy artillery units were sighted.

The axis tried to attack those ships. all they achieved were some downed HE-111. Olivier even put a bomber unit in a port city. a shore bombardment was able to destroy some more german planes.

After saving up command points, both CA (former Krim HQ) and 56A build two forts. we hope they will help us to hold on Rostow a little longer. Two infantry divisions from the Caucasus arrive and are assigned to the 51 A.

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Keunert -> RE: Case Blue: Keunert(Soviets) vs Olivier(Axis), no Olivier (7/30/2012 9:51:07 PM)

July 8th 1942, turn 6

I finish this turn with the current state of our tank corps, more to worry about...


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Keunert -> RE: Case Blue: Keunert(Soviets) vs Olivier(Axis), no Olivier (7/30/2012 10:00:52 PM)

To my surprise Stalin allowed me a holiday week in the mountains with my family.
The germans are informed and agree on a hold of all operations until i return.

We will continue this AAR next monday. i hope this AAR is as interesting to read as it is to play.
Olivier has been a hard opponend so far. at the moment i don't see how i will be able to slow him
down.

any advice and help is appreciated. (no spies needed though)



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kfmiller41 -> RE: Case Blue: Keunert(Soviets) vs Olivier(Axis), no Olivier (7/30/2012 11:45:28 PM)

great AAR, am watching this with great interest. It is playing out much more historically than I thought was possible and does seem to show all the problems both sides experienced, which is great to see. Now the question is can you hang on[:D]



lycortas -> RE: Case Blue: Keunert(Soviets) vs Olivier(Axis), no Olivier (7/31/2012 5:57:04 AM)

After the last picture i feel like playing a balalaika.
Excellent AAR, and i love all of the missions and cards and what not. Chrome is what WITE is missing.

Michael



jjdenver -> RE: Case Blue: Keunert(Soviets) vs Olivier(Axis), no Olivier (7/31/2012 8:51:05 PM)

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if i understand the dismissal rule correct the loss of Voronezh will likely result in me having to resign and going to a very cold place.


I think I would not start a game with dismissal rule turned on myself. It might be hard to balance this rule so I wouldn't trust it. Also how disappointing is it for the game to end because of this kind of rule when there is so much game investment already and so much game left to be played? It's a bit silly I think. Soviet commanders were sacked all the time but the war didn't stop and the war didn't end. Both sides suffered catastrophic disasters over and over and over yet the war went on. In the game if you want to treat it as an RPG (which it's not) playing Zhukov or STAVKA and those 2 institutions never stopped ticking during the war. For me I'm playing out the campaign not rolling a character to play like an RPG - I want to see the campaign play out. I'm not one guy. And even if that is the aim of the game it doesn't do a good job of making you feel like you are one guy - which guy are you even?

So I see no sense in the dismissal rule and wouldn't ever start a game with it turned on. :(

I'd be very very disappointed to see this excellent AAR and all the time you've invested end because of a stupid option like this. This campaign is far from over and the Soviets historically suffered catastrophic losses during this period. I really want to see how the winter and spring play out. Both sides should always have a chance to regroup and recover.

If this optional rule is not used then the players still have motivation to follow Stalin's directives because there are PP's to be gained and lost and those PP's can be very useful with the various cards that are available. This option to summarily end the game without player choice is frustrating to see.



krupp_88mm -> RE: Case Blue: Keunert(Soviets) vs Olivier(Axis), no Olivier (8/1/2012 5:16:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jjdenver

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if i understand the dismissal rule correct the loss of Voronezh will likely result in me having to resign and going to a very cold place.



So I see no sense in the dismissal rule and wouldn't ever start a game with it turned on. :(


What about if, instead of dismissal failing objectives would loose you permanent VP points plus prestige.



bwheatley -> RE: Case Blue: Keunert(Soviets) vs Olivier(Axis), no Olivier (8/5/2012 6:51:53 AM)

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The Wikipedia SS division managed to encircle elements of the 339th and the


I almost spit soda out of my nose when i read that. :) Watch out for the Google SS division too. heh



Keunert -> RE: Case Blue: Keunert(Soviets) vs Olivier(Axis), no Olivier (8/5/2012 9:58:02 AM)

i am glad now that i never contributed money to those Vandals. I do hope that Zuckerberg joins our ranks, we desperately need more contributing friends.



Josh -> RE: Case Blue: Keunert(Soviets) vs Olivier(Axis), no Olivier (8/5/2012 10:27:00 AM)

Wikipedia SS division? Wow, crowdfunded I presume? [;)]



Keunert -> RE: Case Blue: Keunert(Soviets) vs Olivier(Axis), no Olivier (8/5/2012 10:35:12 AM)

the fun will start when his special Asange SA unit arrives, all blonde all with a gruel haircut



Keunert -> RE: Case Blue: Keunert(Soviets) vs Olivier(Axis), no Olivier (8/5/2012 8:30:47 PM)

July 10th 1942, turn 7

In the good socialist tradition of self criticis,m i decided to sit together with my commanders. And there was plenty of criticism coming from them. Some of them accused me of having a 'Decisive Campaigns 1 WtP' mindset, other called me lazy and other challenged my reading comprehension.

After those men left i sat down, looked at the front maps and wrote down what went wrong to this day:

Commanders: I didn't change a single one. I believed somehow that changing a commander will be paid in prestige and not in PP. All those turns i trained front commanders under the command of an army General with an organization level of 16!

Cards: Instead of buying fighters i could have built several fortresses in critical points. that my have been an option to avoid the huge pocket.

Discipline: Some attacks could have been avoided, saving the lifes of several hundreds men, several tanks and tens of planes.



Keunert -> RE: Case Blue: Keunert(Soviets) vs Olivier(Axis), no Olivier (8/5/2012 8:36:53 PM)

July 10th 1942, turn 7

Bad weather striked for the first time this turn. Bad luck for us defenders. Nevertheless the Germans attacked across the Don! ...and succeeded. Several regiments of the Grossdeutschland Division, soon to be called NVA Division, crossed the Don.

We spent most of our time to pull further back and to sack two commanders. With more capable commanders we counterattacked the german spearhead and pushed them back over the Don. After some shelling we did two other attacks, all in all three attacks, two of them successfull. Not too bad.

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Keunert -> RE: Case Blue: Keunert(Soviets) vs Olivier(Axis), no Olivier (8/5/2012 8:37:52 PM)

July 10th 1942, turn 7

No maps this turn as i have to do some manual reading.



bwheatley -> RE: Case Blue: Keunert(Soviets) vs Olivier(Axis), no Olivier (8/6/2012 12:16:51 AM)

Kudos on successful counterattacks.



krupp_88mm -> RE: Case Blue: Keunert(Soviets) vs Olivier(Axis), no Olivier (8/6/2012 3:28:43 AM)

How do you view the turn replay?
Never mind i found the button

Also my losses are very much heavier than yours even if i dont have any big pockets yet,



Keunert -> RE: Case Blue: Keunert(Soviets) vs Olivier(Axis), no Olivier (8/6/2012 8:37:39 AM)

i made so many mistakes i think i lost this one already. i just started another Case Blue Short pbem and was able to counterattack some of the german units. i changed commanders and had not one penalty on the first turn. maybe against Olivier i was a little unlucky so far weather wise and penalty wise. Like Krupp i changed the idiot commanding Bryansk Front. i just wonder what a uncapable army commander does to the troops? is he the one that inflicts those organizational penalties to his subcommanders?

also my air force did not suffer any penalty this turn. besides my mistakes i may have been a little unlucky so far. but as this is part of me learning to beat Olivier once more i will stick to the bitter end.




Blind Sniper -> RE: Case Blue: Keunert(Soviets) vs Olivier(Axis), no Olivier (8/6/2012 1:32:45 PM)

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Also my losses are very much heavier than yours even if i dont have any big pockets yet,


Because you made a lot of counterattacks, our 2nd turn losses were like the 4-5 turn of this game, moreover your C&C penalty I believe has not been like Keunert one, the 2nd turn is very important for the Soviet and you have been able to move almost all your units.
Anyhow you are doing a great defence, I really enjoy our game [:)]

quote:

i made so many mistakes i think i lost this one already.


For prestige points rule?

quote:

also my air force did not suffer any penalty this turn. besides my mistakes i may have been a little unlucky so far. but as this is part of me learning to beat Olivier once more i will stick to the bitter end.


I think that you have been a bit unlucky too, maybe was not possible to avoid some pocket.



Keunert -> RE: Case Blue: Keunert(Soviets) vs Olivier(Axis), no Olivier (8/6/2012 1:39:37 PM)

i spent prestige points twice to buy fighters that i instantly lost in two airraids. instead i should have changed commanders and build fortifications.
i still try to figure out if a corps commander with low organization harms the armies under his command with organizational penalties, or if the low organization only
effects the cards he is able to play.



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