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juret -> RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!! (1/14/2013 9:36:12 PM)

-Move all sec divisions and all units in garrisions to OKH or hungarian or romanian OKW.

If army heawy overloaded move corps to AG and if army group put corps under okw control in silent sectors.

The leadership rolls and combats rolls for support units are needed in the south, keep a good control over CCC there and u will keep initaitive until mud 43 oct mud.

I would also recomend u to stack the motorized/pzgr divisions with 3 stug bats each couse the stug productions is much higher and replace faster then tanks to keep combat value up.



terje439 -> RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!! (1/15/2013 10:06:42 AM)

Turn 102

Overall
Still mud. so we keep resting our panzers. Our infantry moves towards the USSR units, but no attacks are made. Brad also withdrew from the city hex NE of Stalino, but it is a mere 1 VP city, so we are still 56 points shy.

USSR units in pockets at start of turn
0.

USSR units in pockets at end of turn
0.

Losses
USSR : 71.000 troops, 648 guns, 47 AFVs, 209 AC.
Axis : 22.000 troops, 62 guns, 34 AFVs, 35 AC.

USSR units lost
None.

German units disbanded
1 Airbase.

Partisans hunted down
5.

German pools
Manpower : 63.550
Vehicles : 197.847
Armaments : 329.234
Hiwi : 5.753

Manpower centres captured
1.238



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terje439 -> RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!! (1/15/2013 10:07:10 AM)

Crimea



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terje439 -> RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!! (1/15/2013 10:07:30 AM)

Moscow



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terje439 -> RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!! (1/16/2013 1:03:40 PM)

Turn 103

Overall
Mostly mud, except for in the south (try to spot the panzer that drove into mud in the screenie below...). The corps designated for Crimea aare lent a panzer division this turn to cut off some USSR units, but it will rejoin its HQ next turn.
Due to the mud, we did not create a very big pocket, but I'll take what I can get.
25 attacks gave a result of 22 retreats and 3 routs, so a 100% successrate in 1943. Not bad at all!

USSR units in pockets at start of turn
0.

USSR units in pockets at end of turn
9.

Losses
USSR : 91.000 troops, 1.161 guns, 190 AFVs, 588 AC.
Axis : 21.000 troops, 147 guns, 42 AFVs, 50 AC.

USSR units lost
None.

German units disbanded
None.

Partisans hunted down
5.

German pools
Manpower : 61.993
Vehicles : 201.078
Armaments : 354.228
Hiwi : 9




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juret -> RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!! (1/16/2013 2:54:47 PM)

nice work terje.

looks like u can
-take rostov soon.
-take crimea soon and move alot of units to rostov area.
-crimea only needs a fortress garrision and 2 divsions at the strait.
- 9-10 units in pockets in every 2 turns between muds is very very nice :)

Did u move sec divs to OKH and disband the RHG commands? each of em moves 10000 germans to german manpower poool...



veji1 -> RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!! (1/16/2013 2:56:29 PM)

Just keep on gobbling.. you are doing great !



KamilS -> RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!! (1/16/2013 6:52:51 PM)

Nice stuff Tereje, but to be honest your opponent performance is terrible. His tactics reminds me of lemmings.



terje439 -> RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!! (1/17/2013 11:12:29 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: juret

nice work terje.

looks like u can
-take rostov soon.
-take crimea soon and move alot of units to rostov area.
-crimea only needs a fortress garrision and 2 divsions at the strait.
- 9-10 units in pockets in every 2 turns between muds is very very nice :)

Did u move sec divs to OKH and disband the RHG commands? each of em moves 10000 germans to german manpower poool...


No, have not disbanded the RHG commands, will do so now.


Terje



terje439 -> RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!! (1/17/2013 11:12:55 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: veji1

Just keep on gobbling.. you are doing great !


That was the plan, will see how long we can keep going.

Terje



terje439 -> RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!! (1/17/2013 11:15:00 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kamil

Nice stuff Tereje, but to be honest your opponent performance is terrible. His tactics reminds me of lemmings.


I think Brad's main problem is that he is unable to create a stopline at the moment. I have been able to push and chew up units at an alarming pace since the start of the -42 campaign, and he should be hard pressed in terms of AP. As long as I destroy aprox the ammount of AP he recieves per turn, it is hard for him to create enough corps, and divisions in the open are easy to take out.


Terje



terje439 -> RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!! (1/18/2013 9:59:51 AM)

Turn 104

Overall
Clear all across the map. Go go go!!! We lash out in the south, and are more or less at the Don, and even attacked (successfully) across the river, but lacked the MP to get across. Brad has massed alot of good corps formations across the Don, so Rostov might be untakable. Or let me rephrase. I can probably take it, but it will come at the expense of taking out chunks of the Red Army. I could use the VP if I am to win outright, but I also need to keep Brad weak. Seems like a catch-22 here. Next turn we will attack Sevastopol.
35 attacks results in 3 helds, 26 retreats, 1 rout and 5 surrenders this turn. Not too happy about the held results, as that would have allowed me to cross the Don... Oh well.

USSR units in pockets at start of turn
9.

USSR units in pockets at end of turn
17.

Losses
USSR : 141.000 troops, 2.048 guns, 302 AFVs, 500 AC.
Axis : 27.000 troops, 251 guns, 87 AFVs, 58 AC.

USSR units lost
4 rifle divisions, 1 tank brigade, 3 rifle brigades, 1 AT artillery brigade.

German units disbanded
3 RHG Commands.

Partisans hunted down
10.

German pools
Manpower : 93.914
Vehicles : 207.150
Armaments : 378.455
Hiwi : 1.751




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randallw -> RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!! (1/19/2013 2:59:23 AM)

This is looking more and more like a future Axis victory.



terje439 -> RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!! (1/19/2013 9:36:37 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: randallw

This is looking more and more like a future Axis victory.



Wish I was as optimistic [:)]


Terje



terje439 -> RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!! (1/19/2013 9:45:12 AM)

Turn 105

Overall
My main concern is the long frontline (espesially since the Italians withdrew en masse this turn (the very day I start reading a book about the Mafia's involvement during the invasion of Sicily. Coincidence?? [:D])). So, I have decided to do something I am extremely reluctant to do, but I think it is the only thing to do at this time. I will try one more turn to use an PzA to breach the Don, while the other two head north again (the fourth is a PzA in name only at this time). Although the pocket formed this turn is small, I deemed it well worth it, as it trapped what is probably the best unit Brad has in play, a 10 CV Guards Cavalry Corps.
32 attacks gave the result of 2 helds, 25 retreats and 5 surrenders.
The really good thing, is that my recon flights (for the first time in long, I flew alot all along the front) revealed no USSR reserves building up in the quiet sectors. That is somewhat reassuring. Espesially since we are building up our fort levels all along those parts of the front, and in depth no less.
In Crimea, as expected Brad has dug in with 3 Rifle Corps at the narrowest part. I will dig in opposite with some Rumanian Cavalry and Tanks in reserve to the rear.

USSR units in pockets at start of turn
17.

USSR units in pockets at end of turn
4.

Losses
USSR : 233.000 troops, 3.569 guns, 265 AFVs, 575 AC.
Axis : 26.000 troops, 156 guns, 78 AFVs, 85 AC.

USSR units lost
2 Rifle Corps, 11 Rifle Divisions, 2 Tank Brigades, 2 Rifle Brigades.

German units disbanded
None.

Partisans hunted down
6.

German pools
Manpower : 102.787
Vehicles : 213.569
Armaments : 398.899
Hiwi : 2.
The Manpower pool actually GREW this turn. I like it!




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terje439 -> RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!! (1/21/2013 12:36:45 PM)

Turn 106

Overall
So, we lash out to the north, and deem any attacks across the river to the south as a no go. Attacking rifle corps that are dug in behind a major river is something we are just not able to do anymore unfortunately. I also counted VP to see what I need to achieve an autovictory. Not amusing "reading" at all. I need to take all cities between Rostov and Moscow, and as far east as the Volga. That seems a tad far I am afraid. And although my manpower/armaments etc pools are looking ok, my tank pools are not. Then we can add in the fact that my panzers will soon start to disappear, and it seems clear that we will soon be forced over on the defensive. I do not like that at all, but that is the way the game works, and also why I prefer "the whole world"-style games. I would be happy to send an extra Infantry Division to France if I could keep the panzers, but oh well.
Only 22 attacks this turn, for a result of 1 held, 15 retreats, 2 routs, 1 shatter and 3 surrenders. Brad tried to reopen the pocket formed last turn, but only got a held result on his attack.

USSR units in pockets at start of turn
4.

USSR units in pockets at end of turn
18.

Losses
USSR : 169.000 troops, 2.623 guns, 561 AFVs, 591 AC.
Axis : 26.000 troops, 214 guns, 82 AFVs, 115 AC.

To manage to form a new pocket this turn, I had to make a hasty attack with questionable odds at the start, so I flew ground bombardment missions for the first time since -41, and the result can be seen as my AC losses are three digits this turn. This also ment fewer AC to fly fuel supply runs with, so that will probably bite me in the behind next turn.

USSR units lost
1 Rifle Corps, 1 Rifle Divisions, 1 Cavalry Corps, 1 Guards Cavalry Corps.

German units disbanded
None.

Partisans hunted down
4.

German pools
Manpower : 110.753
Vehicles : 217.583
Armaments : 412.031
Hiwi : 14
Come on Speer, fewer Opels, more PzIV and Vs please!



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Tophat1815 -> RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!! (1/21/2013 10:35:21 PM)

If that pocket holds you will have devastated his ability to take a meaningful offensive against you until winter. How goes the Crimea area?



hfarrish -> RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!! (1/22/2013 1:25:57 AM)


Impressive - frankly I'm not sure why he has stuck to trying to defend this area as much as he has - by holding Leningrad and Moscow his manpower should be fine, and sticking his neck out in that unfriendly terrain is costing him hugely.

How are the Russian OOB's trending? He's got to really be hurting to even keep them level, much less grow. In particular I suspect he doesn't have anything for arty divisions, without which he's pretty much doomed if you properly turtle up in time.



terje439 -> RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!! (1/22/2013 2:55:44 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Tophat1812

If that pocket holds you will have devastated his ability to take a meaningful offensive against you until winter. How goes the Crimea area?


Crimea is where I expected it to be, Brad dug in at the narrowest part with 3 rifle corps stacked for a def CV of 60. I have 3 German Divisions stacked with 6 Rumanians in reserve. I also have Rumanians digging fortifications at the entrance to the peninsula.


Terje



terje439 -> RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!! (1/22/2013 2:57:22 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: hfarrish


Impressive - frankly I'm not sure why he has stuck to trying to defend this area as much as he has - by holding Leningrad and Moscow his manpower should be fine, and sticking his neck out in that unfriendly terrain is costing him hugely.

How are the Russian OOB's trending? He's got to really be hurting to even keep them level, much less grow. In particular I suspect he doesn't have anything for arty divisions, without which he's pretty much doomed if you properly turtle up in time.


I will check again next turn, but he has been stuck at aprox 6.3M, and 5-6k tanks. I have not been able to spot any arty divisions anywhere, in fact there does not seem to be much in terms of USSR reserves anywhere.


Terje



Blubel -> RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!! (1/22/2013 10:20:18 AM)

From the looses it looks like you are able to shrink his forces. He should not get more than 100k a turn.
He should be able to open your pocket. If you have that many Tigers and Stugs you should attach them to your Panzers. Two of the divisions closing the pocket would be way stronger with a Tiger Battalion.



terje439 -> RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!! (1/22/2013 2:02:34 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Blubel

From the looses it looks like you are able to shrink his forces. He should not get more than 100k a turn.
He should be able to open your pocket. If you have that many Tigers and Stugs you should attach them to your Panzers. Two of the divisions closing the pocket would be way stronger with a Tiger Battalion.


He was not [:D]


Terje



terje439 -> RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!! (1/22/2013 2:10:37 PM)

Turn 107

Overall
The pocket held, and another big ammount of USSR troops are captured. And we create 4 pockets this turn, although not so big. However the USSR frontline is now starting to appear...thinly populated. If I can keep the momentum a few more turns, I think Brad might have a serious issue to deal with. It seems the AP-Crunch is working.
34 attacks gave a result of 4 helds (3 against isolated units in the pocket...), 24 retreats and 6 surrenders.

USSR units in pockets at start of turn
17.

USSR units in pockets at end of turn
11.

Losses
USSR : 326.000 troops, 5.250 guns, 342 AFVs, 781 AC.
Axis : 29.000 troops, 225 guns, 99 AFVs, 179 AC.
Brad must have altered his AC settings, as losses on both sides skyrocketed this turn.

Total Losses
USSR : 11.535.000 troops, 212.000 guns, 31.300 AFVs, 32.300 AC.
Axis : 3.005.000 troops, 37.000 guns, 8.800 AFVs, 7.100 AC.

USSR units lost
6 Rifle Corps, 10 Rifle Divisions, 1 tank brigade.

Total USSR units lost (only down to brigade level)
1 Tank Corps, 18 Rifle Corps, 7 Cavalry Corps, 29 Tank Divisions, 463 Infantry Divisions, 13 Motorized Divisions, 11 Cavalry Divisions, 11 Mountain Divisions, 80 Tank Brigades, 264 Infantry Brigades, 5 Airborne Briagades, 10 AT brigades.

German units disbanded
None.

Partisans hunted down
8.

German pools
Manpower : 122.203
Vehicles : 222.612
Armaments : 434.118
Hiwi : 2




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hugh04 -> RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!! (1/22/2013 3:16:55 PM)

What a great AAR. A poor 1941 followed by a huge pocket and many smaller pockets in 42 and now a great offensive in 43. The Bear seems to be fatally on the wrong side of the strength curve. Too through your opponent another curve ball, why not retreat to the dnieper in the south. Then plan a back hand blow when he reaches the new front lines. One thing I have not seen in the 43 AAR's is a large scale retreat by a german.

Vandev



terje439 -> RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!! (1/22/2013 3:22:28 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: vandev

What a great AAR. A poor 1941 followed by a huge pocket and many smaller pockets in 42 and now a great offensive in 43. The Bear seems to be fatally on the wrong side of the strength curve. Too through your opponent another curve ball, why not retreat to the dnieper in the south. Then plan a back hand blow when he reaches the new front lines. One thing I have not seen in the 43 AAR's is a large scale retreat by a german.

Vandev


Thank you. I would consider a fall back option had it not been for three things;
1. Although slim, there is actually still a chance for Axis autovictory (if things are really as bleak on the USSR side as they seem).
2. To reach #1, I need to keep up the AP crunch, and that means that I need to continue to kill USSR units, and while retreating, I will not kill USSR units. Brad will regain alot of units every turn I do not form a pocket and kill some of his units. That is something I do not want. As of now, it does not seem that he has been able to start building neither mechanized corps, nor artillery divisions. That is something I am very happy with, and the longer before he is able to build those, the longer I can keep him at bay.
3. If #1 fails, it is benefitial for me to have a long stretch of land between me and Rumania, as Rumania tends to fall rather easily, and open up the entire southern flank to attacks.


Terje



juret -> RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!! (1/22/2013 5:50:30 PM)

strong turn again terje. i see several rifle corps in the pocket. good work.
whuts the mec doing under your airbases?



Blubel -> RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!! (1/22/2013 6:07:34 PM)

This is impressive. With the current rate of attrition to the SU you might not even need the AP crunch. He does loose to many men....



ErsteKavallerieDivision -> RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!! (1/22/2013 7:52:48 PM)

Considering all the excess armaments, how about disbanding your forts and thus bringing more troops (100,000+) to the front?



terje439 -> RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!! (1/22/2013 11:14:54 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: juret

strong turn again terje. i see several rifle corps in the pocket. good work.
whuts the mec doing under your airbases?


It was in Crimea when I broke through there, which left it out of supply reducing its MP, and I needed to refuel the offensive units, so it kept having low MP the following turn, and then this turn it had to move through mud in the south. So it is on its way back to its HQs.

Terje



terje439 -> RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!! (1/22/2013 11:16:08 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Blubel

This is impressive. With the current rate of attrition to the SU you might not even need the AP crunch. He does loose to many men....


I think the AP crunch and the manpower losses to the USSR are tied together. Due to the AP crunch Brad is not able to really dig in, which again means I am able to form bigger pockets, which then leads to higher manpower losses for him.


Terje



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