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Flaviusx -> RE: Speedy vs Saper 222 (no Saper 222) (9/18/2012 4:45:21 PM)

Speedy, you need to flat out run down south. And in the center for that matter, the entire Dnepr line is untenable. Trying to hold on to this entire area much past turn 5 is asking for trouble.

You didn't reinforce Leningrad enough for my way of thinking and should have piled on the reserve armies near Pskov on turns 1-2. Now it is too late. Leningrad is a goner in all likelihood, but you can at least hold the Volkhov and keep the Finns contained up north.

I hardly bother defending around Smolensk nowadays, my emphasis is up north. The first real line of resistance in the center is Rzhev-Vyazma-Bryansk, fleshed out with cadres.

I like the garrison in Odessa. He's going to have to send a full German infantry corps, minimum, to clean that out.

In the Crimea, there's only two points worth defending: Sevastopol and the Kerch straits. I positively welcome Axis forces diverted into the peninsula. So I wouldn't bother defending the entry points.



Speedysteve -> RE: Speedy vs Saper 222 (no Saper 222) (9/18/2012 4:54:55 PM)

Thanks guys.

Some good points in here. I'm already moving from the Dnepr line as the break out from Dnepro and near Bryansk is just too risky.

LG is definitely a goner and I've known that for 2 turns now so not sent a lot more up there.

I'll keep you posted as the rest of the turn pans out.

Welcome the discussion [:)]

I still feel I've not done awful here just that Saper is one of the best players. Maybe I'm biaised though [;)]



Flaviusx -> RE: Speedy vs Saper 222 (no Saper 222) (9/18/2012 4:56:25 PM)

He's obviously very good. He's wrecking Kamil in that game.



Speedysteve -> RE: Speedy vs Saper 222 (no Saper 222) (9/18/2012 5:06:50 PM)

LG after my moves.

As an aside has anyone found the lowest level HI can be before you face supply problems?

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Speedysteve -> RE: Speedy vs Saper 222 (no Saper 222) (9/18/2012 5:08:52 PM)

Pulled back from the Lovat as it's unecessary to be there and it frees up men

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Flaviusx -> RE: Speedy vs Saper 222 (no Saper 222) (9/18/2012 5:11:02 PM)

I'm thinking that if you can get out around 10 HI from points west of Moscow-Voronezh-Rostov that this is enough to get by.

You shouldn't lose any industry of any type from that point east. I definitely evacuate any HI in those cities and anywhere else east of that. I even empty out Stalingrad over the first winter. Just pile all the industry on the eastern edge of the map by summer of 42 and forget about it.

That position south of lake Ilmen isn't gonna hold btw, you need way more than that.





Speedysteve -> RE: Speedy vs Saper 222 (no Saper 222) (9/18/2012 5:15:17 PM)

Thanks on the HI.

There's isn't more to go around [;)]



Speedysteve -> RE: Speedy vs Saper 222 (no Saper 222) (9/18/2012 5:17:53 PM)

Ok further tweaked:

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Speedysteve -> RE: Speedy vs Saper 222 (no Saper 222) (9/18/2012 6:44:36 PM)

Centre:

I, with some luck, managed to temporarily rescue my pocketed units...they'll be re-swamped next week though....oh what I'd do for Mud in the Soviet Centre Zone.

Started forming the final Moscow Defence zone with the 29th Army SW of Moscow.

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Speedysteve -> RE: Speedy vs Saper 222 (no Saper 222) (9/18/2012 6:48:41 PM)

The 3 main attacks I launched towards the Pockets:

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Speedysteve -> RE: Speedy vs Saper 222 (no Saper 222) (9/18/2012 6:50:47 PM)

South:

Pullback......One small attack succeeded aganst 2nd Hun. Mtr Bde near Dnepropetrovsk and the Odessa boys smashed 2 Rumy Div's back.

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Speedysteve -> RE: Speedy vs Saper 222 (no Saper 222) (9/18/2012 6:53:40 PM)

Crimea:

Will try to hold the Entrances and then Sevastapol and Ak Manay:

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Speedysteve -> RE: Speedy vs Saper 222 (no Saper 222) (9/18/2012 6:54:31 PM)

Losses:

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Speedysteve -> RE: Speedy vs Saper 222 (no Saper 222) (9/18/2012 7:00:02 PM)

OOB.

Moved 8 x ARM from Poltava, 15 x T34 and 11 x ARM from Kharkov. Still 4 x ARM and 20 x Vehicle to move from Kharkov alone.....

Attacks:

SU: 1 x held, 6 x retreats
Axis: 42 x retreats, 7 x surrender, 5 x rout

C&C:

9th Army: Georgy Zakharov
34th Army: Alexandr Vasilevsky

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Klydon -> RE: Speedy vs Saper 222 (no Saper 222) (9/18/2012 8:00:41 PM)

A lot of the other guys have covered things fairly well. I will toss in a few observations that are particular to this game vs most 41 Russian games these days.

You have been attacking here and there and have been getting good success. Check your Odessa guys. If you have some that are 3-0, 4-0 for a record, consider pulling them out and replacing them with some fresh guys. Check some of your other guys who have been winning. Why? You want to get those with good combat records sort of into a pool for your winter counter offensive and possible guards unit formation. Hard to do that with units with a 2-12 record.

Something else to look at in areas like Leningrad is to pull your high moral divisions and replace them with new trash. You want to delay him there long enough so he can't redeploy PG4 for an attack on Moscow before mud. If he does, you will most likely lose Moscow as well. Either way, you want to try to save some of your good moral divisions if you can.

Hang in there.



Walloc -> RE: Speedy vs Saper 222 (no Saper 222) (9/18/2012 8:02:13 PM)

Remember that the hex just east of the 2 forts u hold now with the impassble hex side becomes passeble come winter. aka build some forts there is needed. If u planing on holding Crimea that long.

Rasmus



Speedysteve -> RE: Speedy vs Saper 222 (no Saper 222) (9/18/2012 8:58:39 PM)

Thanks Klydon - yup I keep an eye on my units for victories. Ideally I'd like to pull some of the better ones in a months time and prep them.

Walloc - good point. I doubt I'll hold it that long though [;)]



Speedysteve -> RE: Speedy vs Saper 222 (no Saper 222) (9/19/2012 3:40:06 PM)

Start of T8.

Pre SU movement.

The Axis reach the outskirts of LG:

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Speedysteve -> RE: Speedy vs Saper 222 (no Saper 222) (9/19/2012 3:42:34 PM)

South of Ilmen:

No activity by Saper. A PzC sitting behind the lines though......

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Speedysteve -> RE: Speedy vs Saper 222 (no Saper 222) (9/19/2012 3:46:14 PM)

Vyazma:

General advance with the infantry.

5 x Rifle Div's cut off.

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Speedysteve -> RE: Speedy vs Saper 222 (no Saper 222) (9/19/2012 3:48:59 PM)

Bryansk:

Panzers advance and encircle 7 x Rifle Div's.

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Speedysteve -> RE: Speedy vs Saper 222 (no Saper 222) (9/19/2012 3:51:19 PM)

Dne/Zap area:

Breakout and encircle 6 x Rifle Div's:

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Speedysteve -> RE: Speedy vs Saper 222 (no Saper 222) (9/19/2012 3:53:15 PM)

Crimea:

All quiet. Whopee [;)]

Odessa still standing tall against the Rumy's who sit tight.

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Speedysteve -> RE: Speedy vs Saper 222 (no Saper 222) (9/19/2012 3:57:37 PM)

Losses:

Air:

Axis: 91
SU: 373

Battle Stats:

2 x Held, 37 x Retreat, 7 x Surrender, 7 x Rout

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Speedysteve -> RE: Speedy vs Saper 222 (no Saper 222) (9/19/2012 9:09:53 PM)

LG:

Post SU moves.

Will mostly likely fall in a week or 2 tops weather permitting.

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Speedysteve -> RE: Speedy vs Saper 222 (no Saper 222) (9/19/2012 9:14:16 PM)

Ilmen:

Static.

5 x Rifle Div's of 7th Army throw assault 2nd Rgt of 93rd Infantry Division across the Pola throwing the Fascists back.

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Speedysteve -> RE: Speedy vs Saper 222 (no Saper 222) (9/19/2012 9:19:15 PM)

Vyazma:

Failure.

3 x Rifle Div's attacked the Axis 95th Infantry Division east of my encircled units but fail miserably.

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Speedysteve -> RE: Speedy vs Saper 222 (no Saper 222) (9/19/2012 9:24:51 PM)

Bryansk:

Desperate attacks by 13th and 20th Armies temporarily rescue my trapped men.

I'm aware that Saper will most likely swallow up more men next turn in the pocket but it does keep him occupied for another turn AND I have a lot of industry in the area I need to evac!

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Speedysteve -> RE: Speedy vs Saper 222 (no Saper 222) (9/19/2012 9:34:06 PM)

Centre overview:

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Speedysteve -> RE: Speedy vs Saper 222 (no Saper 222) (9/19/2012 9:53:08 PM)

South:

Furious battles down here. An inital attack against 16th Motorised Div (blue circle) failed but a secondary attack against 14th Panzer (red circle) succeeded. Temproary respite once more....Once more can't run so much as have industry to evac and I need to buy 2-3 turns for Stalino region and starting to evac here...let alone Moscow [;)]

God I need some of this 'Pelton Lord of the Rings rain weather' down in the Soviet Sentral Zone [;)]

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