RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks

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Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (3/7/2013 8:15:51 PM)
March 23, 1942 Bombs Oil Around Us . . . Puns, right? Ya hate 'em, I hate 'em . . . [:)] 1) Mike and I had a series of frank discussions over the past two days about the game and its current staus. I lowered the opsec curtain a bit to encourage him to get after some of the more mandatory Japanese targets. Whether right or wrong I don't want Japan to stall out by the summer. I also told him if it isn't apparent I'm always going to attack the economy. To that end I pair the Forts with some new B-25Cs and have a yabba-dabba-do time in the oil patch. Take a chance on AA and CAP and get lucky at 4000 feet in daylight: Afternoon Air attack on Samarinda , at 65,96 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 8 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 2 Allied aircraft B-25C Mitchell x 7 B-17E Fortress x 6 No Japanese losses No Allied losses Oil hits 19 2) Two DMses at Palmyra clear circa 65 mines. I think I can conclude that the CM-led TF seen about five days ago went there. Later, USS Gato attacks a TF of a DD and an xAK two hexes SW of Palmyra. Missed, but I'm not sure what this is. Re-supply, evac, coming to hit Christmas, only a part of the story, what? I will re-zone my Christmas patrol planes away from looking for the KB and see if I can get a better read. 3) Some light Ground attacks on Bataan as the movement dot remains. About half of the LCUs at B. have 100 or less organic supply. Forts are at 4. Will be interested to see what Japan does Shock-attack-wise. 4) Put a light CAP into Singers for a day or two to mix it up. In truth the low Oscar raids are getting me down, man. The xAKL sunk yesterday didn't get to deliver. I have about six more sacrific . . . umm, future hero transports coming into Palembang to load supplies. The CAP at Singers meets a few unescorted raids and knocks down a Betty or two, but this one shows why Singers is just a tough nut if the AA has ammo. Despite the CAP numbers only three planes fought with the raid: Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 11 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-21-IIa Sally x 17 Ki-27b Nate x 12 Ki-43-Ia Oscar x 10 Allied aircraft P-39D Airacobra x 11 P-40E Warhawk x 5 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21-IIa Sally: 5 destroyed, 7 damaged Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 destroyed by flak Ki-27b Nate: 1 destroyed Ki-43-Ia Oscar: 1 destroyed No Allied losses Airbase hits 1 Runway hits 1 5) B-25Cs from Palembang raid Singkawang at 100 feet. Target the AMc, miss, do some port damage. The -25's range is a nice feature in this era. 6) Makasar falls, and landings begin at Donggala, the last Allied base on the Celebes. 66th Naval Guards take Hollandia without opposition, a nice VP haul. Allied subs reposition to interdict the next set of bases down the coast. 7) Lashio's air field goes to 4. Forts are already there. This will be tough one if/when.

Canoerebel -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (3/7/2013 8:19:26 PM)
Reverend DeYoung in 10th Grade world history class was known for his bad puns. One day he was teaching us about King Otto (of some Middle European country). Otto, he said, was a good father who one day made a little play toy to suspend above his child's bed. It was, Rev. DeYoung claimed, "The first Otto Mobile."

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (3/7/2013 8:20:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Canoerebel Reverend DeYoung in 10th Grade world history class was known for his bad puns. One day he was teaching us about King Otto (of some Middle European country). Otto, he said, was a good father who one day made a little play toy to suspend above his child's bed. It was, Rev. DeYoung claimed, "The first Otto Mobile." Were you allowed to bring old fruit to class? [:'(] This is what's wrong with American education . . . The guy is a KING, works his whole life climbing over people to get there, and all you remember is the pun!

Canoerebel -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (3/7/2013 8:36:22 PM)
He didn't allow us to bring overripe fruit, but we were permitted to toss wads of paper at him. He really was a good sport. Well, one day, I began working on a wad of paper. I sat in the back of the room, so my activities went unnoticed. I kept adding paper while waiting for him to utter a bad pun. Eventually the wad grew to the size of a bowling ball. I think it weighed at least a pound or two. Finally, he offered the pun. He had his back to the class. I tossed The Wad and it zoomed past his shoulder and hit the blackboard with a sound that can only be described as startling and impressive. I was no longer permitted to sit in back.

Crackaces -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (3/7/2013 11:16:17 PM)
quote: Singers is just a tough nut if the AA has ammo. After Michealm made some changes the game plays much differently as far as AA goes. In fact, the ol' home game restrictions on ground attacks can be made meaningless if AA accompanies the ground forces. The ol' vulnerable places like Truk with reall 88L71 flak batteries if supplied are flak traps with these software behavior changes. [Before the change I could wipe Truk out with a night raid with few losses .. now lots of damaged and downed 4E aircraft with little in runway damage because flak also effects results .. ] There is also a real penalty now for not blitzkreiging Singapore because the combination of flak and forts with LI and supply rules changes, and this makes a very tough and expensive nut to crack as time goes by . Add to this equation airpower and the IJ have a very real problem if they let things develop ... . The lesson is .. in the new Beta's the IJ have to come to Singapore with a lot more and quickly overcome the defenders before they can build up forts .. or face Verdun with the clock ticking ...

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (3/7/2013 11:29:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Crackaces quote: Singers is just a tough nut if the AA has ammo. After Michealm made some changes the game plays much differently as far as AA goes. In fact, the ol' home game restrictions on ground attacks can be made meaningless if AA accompanies the ground forces. The ol' vulnerable places like Truk with reall 88L71 flak batteries if supplied are flak traps with these software behavior changes. [Before the change I could wipe Truk out with a night raid with few losses .. now lots of damaged and downed 4E aircraft with little in runway damage because flak also effects results .. ] There is also a real penalty now for not blitzkreiging Singapore because the combination of flak and forts with LI and supply rules changes, and this makes a very tough and expensive nut to crack as time goes by . Add to this equation airpower and the IJ have a very real problem if they let things develop ... . The lesson is .. in the new Beta's the IJ have to come to Singapore with a lot more and quickly overcome the defenders before they can build up forts .. or face Verdun with the clock ticking ... Yep. But, but, but. Once the hex is invested only the LI produces, and it's 180 a day I think. I have a pretty moderate defense now and it eats about 1000/day with forts 3-to-4 running. Higher levels of fort building would be a serious drain. It can be taken with the divisions Japan has. They're far better than the Malaysian and Indian troops who retreated down the penn. and about the same as the Aussies. But it can't be taken without a bloodbath if Japan waits. This is Singers since the last attack took Forts down to 2. Note the AV is only 1154, and probably 300 at least is very low quality. The base is very take-able now. OTOH, he's lost hundreds of bombers to not stop fort-building a bit. Fatigue is universally at 3, and Morale is excellent. [image]local://upfiles/31387/5513A26D9E1543AF8AE85F7A56F416D9.jpg[/image]

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (3/7/2013 11:36:10 PM)
Just sent the next turn back. Wanted to post a screenie of what's up near Palmyra. I have no idea what this is. I stopped the last unloading (the base is over spoilage limits on Supply already) and ordered everything to retreat east, including the APD ASW guys. One AP is too crippled to leave the pier and he'll have it if he wants. But what is this? A re-invasion? (The second TF is DD and xAK(s)) Even if it is and even if it works, for what? If it's just a harrassment raid on the merchants it's a boatload (several in fact) of fuel to come from wherever to punch on some xAKs. I don't get it. Which usually means I missed something. [image]local://upfiles/31387/E5E48DA4CAF44E698EB2BF1387DBD342.jpg[/image]

Crackaces -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (3/8/2013 1:32:06 AM)
Hmmm Your at turn 108 (March 25, 1942) with level 3 forts in Singapore .. the average bear is surrendering by the first week of Feb ... I say any days Singapore are holding out beyond this is gravy .. and soon .. very soon this delay will permeate throughout the empire ... You have taught me that if I ever play the IJ I am bringing the kichen sink day one to seize Singapore .. maybe at the costs of PI holding out another month or so ..

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (3/8/2013 4:15:50 PM)
March 24, 1942 Liberate Me! 1) First employment of initial model Liberators, the LB-30. Allies only get a small pile of these and then they're gone (from memory.) They have good legs and bomb loads, so I swapped them in for some Forts. At Djambi the B-26s go in first, high, lose two, and do no damge. But they do eat up CAP ops points. The Liberators come in low at 3000 feet and record 6 Oil hits. The B-17s do 2 more at Tarakan. Liberators hit Brunei but do no damage. The LB-30's self-defense looks about as good as the Fort's, IOW, as bombers they're great sweepers. The Oil pinpricks look like nothing, but they add up. Yesterday's 19 hits are almost three week's work to repair and two big xAKs-worth of supplies. Today, eight more repair days and a big load's worth of supplies which won't build AFs or fund combat. 2) Not a good day for the IJN submarine force. I-1 has been hanging around the wormhole exit from the Canal to San Diego. Smart use of a boat, no quesiton. But there are 9387 ASW planes flying that pie slice. It shot at a passing TF and DD Walke got in 4 hits, one penetrating. Up near Kodiak I-2 had it out with AM Penguin, late of Guam. No damage, but it's nice to see old Penguin in the war. Kodiak is a new patrol area, or at least the first time I've seen it active. This might mean something re Dutch Harbor, or it could be nothing. Then, near Hilo, the UNDERDOG boys passing by got attacked by I-174. With extensive carrier ASW to pin the datum, plus a handful of BB and cruiser planes, the battle was on. Forced to the surface, it didn't last long for the I-boat: Sub attack near Hilo at 186,112 Japanese Ships SS I-174, hits 21, and is sunk Allied Ships DD Sims DD Hammann DD Anderson 3) Zero sweeps at Palembang take out 6 Allied for no Japanese fighters. I think it might be time to give P. another CAP time-out. The forts are getting built either way. 4) Singapore gets an Oscar attack on the MLs (two damaged; four more come out of the yards any day), and lots of bombing. 48 damaged, 1 Betty downed. Light damage. 5) Harassment bombing in China, including this one: Morning Air attack on Kienko , at 78,41 Weather in hex: Light rain Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 12 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-21-Ic Sally x 19 Ki-21-IIa Sally x 8 Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 9 No Japanese losses Airbase supply hits 3 Runway hits 3 There have been no Chinese troops in this base for at least two weeks. I almost want to send a Chinese Rudolf Hess with a message. Almost. [:)] 6) Donggala falls, completing the Celebes for Japan. No other landings.

JocMeister -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (3/8/2013 5:19:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58 But what is this? A re-invasion? (The second TF is DD and xAK(s)) Even if it is and even if it works, for what? If it's just a harrassment raid on the merchants it's a boatload (several in fact) of fuel to come from wherever to punch on some xAKs. I don't get it. Which usually means I missed something. This close to Pearl I think its safe to assume its the full KB. Have you monitored your own CV TFs to see if the DL has risen on any of them? Could he have spotted them either via sub or sigint and is now looking for a fight?

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (3/8/2013 7:18:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister quote: ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58 But what is this? A re-invasion? (The second TF is DD and xAK(s)) Even if it is and even if it works, for what? If it's just a harrassment raid on the merchants it's a boatload (several in fact) of fuel to come from wherever to punch on some xAKs. I don't get it. Which usually means I missed something. This close to Pearl I think its safe to assume its the full KB. Have you monitored your own CV TFs to see if the DL has risen on any of them? Could he have spotted them either via sub or sigint and is now looking for a fight? Well, three are in San Diego, two in upgrade, one out. Two are at sea, one damaged, the other escorting. Those have just been seen by a sub which is dead. Oh how I would love for him to bring to KB near Hawaii now. Please, yes. [:)]

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (3/10/2013 7:52:10 PM)
March 25, 1942 Doing the Balikpapan Bop Sunday, and the end of Mike's period of extensive work travel. We should resume a more regular order this week. He did a great job of playing from the road, late at night, after long car trips, etc., and the effort was much appreciated here. It allowed me to keep my head in the game and not lose track of those little details than can chomp on one's hind quarters if neglected. 1) Balikpapan is currently Japan's #1 oil and fuel supplier and I have tried to make it as unpleasant as possible to pull POL out of there. Subs, surface sorties from Soerbaja, a few mines earlier, etc. I have also used my few 4E units almost exclusively with a view to taking down Oil while I am in range. I am still in range from major air bases at Batavia and Soerbaja, and both have been almost untouched by counter-strikes. At the two reside a motley crew of models and squadron conditions, training, and fatigue. The Oil missions, except for Djambi, are long-range and very tiring to pilots and airframes. Nevertheless, I have tried to mix up targets and altitudes to keep the CAP game difficult for Japan. Sometimes it's worked, other times the Allies got hurt. But I think in total the damage to the Oil sector is starting to matter. Today the Allies concentrated all 4E efforts from both bases on Balikpapan. Low, consistent altitude (3000 feet), daylight, no escorts possible. Balikpapan has had good CAP before, but not much AA. The strikes go in completely uncoordinated--four separate raids--but score excellent results. CAP throughout is patrolling at 14,000 feet. B-25Cs first, seven planes. They eat up a lot of the CAP's op points. Two damaged for 4 Oil hits. Second wave of eight B-25Cs has one damaged for 9 Oil hits. Seven B-17s see one damaged for 8 Oil hits. The damage comes from a barrage balloon. Nine LB-30 Liberators have two damaged and score 15 Oil hits. 31 planes, 36 points of Oil damage. Five weeks of work and 36,000 supply to get back to battery. A good day. 2) For some reason a minesweeping TF comes into Bataan's hex and is roughed up by mines and CD. An SC and a DMS are hit and at least one sinks per sound effect. Thirty mines are cleared, but I don't understand this move. Once Bataan falls safe minesweeping is in order, and Bataan doesn't need amphibious landings to fall. 3) I-2 sinks xAK Admiral Cole SW of Kodiak. I have been running many small TFs in and out of Dutch Harbor since the beginning of the war. Escorts are precious and rare still. The AMs and KVs available are trying to keep the harbor entrances open. This will change soon as ASW ships arrive and upgrade, but for now some losses are inevitable. 4) At Singers the Oscars come low again and sink xAKL Ipoh with 36 small bomb hits. Not sure, but from her position in the turn prep there's a chance she was sunk empty. Still running in one APD per day with 180 supply per trip. Singers is down to about 11,800 with Forts half way to 4. The normal 2E bombing occurs with some AF damage and about 25 damaged bombers, but fort-building should still occur today. 5) Experimented with pulling all planes out of Palembang to Oosthaven and Batavia, even the patrols. P. gets no air attacks at all. Forts here are moving toward 4. Supplies pulled up from Oosthaven from CT are about 85,000. 6) Harassment bombing in China. Another strike on Kienko, which has no garrison. 7) Float planes seen east of Palmyra. All of the UNDERDOG TFs are withdrawn from the Christmas I. area now. Those with some supply are going to dump in Hilo before returning to the WC. All have APDs for escort. The float planes could be subs, or from the carrier TF seen two days ago, which read as having CSes. If this is the case this TF is coming pretty far east in search of prey. I have considered sending Yorktown south at high speed to snipe, but the risk seems too great for now. If Hornet were with her I"d do it, but the risk of the IJN TF make-up not being what I was told is too great for one CV, even one with expert pilots.

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (3/11/2013 2:33:14 PM)
March 26, 1942 March On Not a big day for the "blow stuff up" crowd. The month moves toward its conclusion. April, anticipated, will bring many key ship upgrades, the end of the bonus, and the beginning of new Allied moves forward. Today? Very standard stuff. 1) The heavy Allied sub presence in the Mkassar Strait is keeping a lot of ASW ships nailed in place, including fleet destroyers. Sparring and jabbing, attacks and misses today, still no heavy tanker traffic seen. With radar upgrades next month it is hoped the sub war will begin producing more returns. 2) The RN ASW TF of two top-rated DDs continues to patrol the water between Palembang and Singers. Today HMS Isis attacks RO-34 and begins to apply the wood when she runs out of depth charges in mid-attack. The DDs also draw low-level Oscar raids away from Singers, taking light damage from MG fire, but dodging the bombs. Four Oscars do hit the port, inflicting one shell hit on one ML, which allows the supply dump to continue. Yesterday's load was in fact delivered before the xAKL was sunk, taking Singers back over 12,000 supply. Forts are now 3 + mid-50%s. 41 2E bombers are damaged and 2 are destroyed in Singers raids today. 3) The AVG breaks up a raid on Taung Gyi from Chiang Mai. Morning Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 4 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 12 Ki-21-IIa Sally x 20 Allied aircraft H81-A3 x 2 P-40E Warhawk x 7 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed Ki-21-IIa Sally: 4 destroyed, 2 damaged No Allied losses Intel yesterday made CM an AF 2. Three Chinese corps are prepping for Chiang Mai and moving slowly south. The 12-stack south of the Mandalay group will be put to the test next month if flanking plans hold. 4) Forts and Mitchells hit Samarinda and are met by only one Tojo, which does no damage. 5 Oil hits are recorded. 5) Light bombing at Neikiang, which is feeding Resources into Chungking and has a small garrison. This is the last base in the Chungking plain to be probe-bombed. Recon assets are rare, so it is undetermined if Japan is preparing for a major campaign on the plain now, or later. 6) No land combat takes place; no new landings are begun.

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (3/11/2013 2:39:05 PM)
The recent building history at Palembang, showing effect of Japan's air operations: [image]local://upfiles/31387/3D622037DD5549C391698E0725915094.jpg[/image]

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (3/11/2013 2:41:51 PM)
Singers' recent supply history showing Allied efforts to run in materiel and keep the siege alive: [image]local://upfiles/31387/6BF4726047234FA98B78167C60EF967D.jpg[/image]

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (3/12/2013 1:37:28 PM)
Air loss status, for the record. Ops losses on the Mavis are interesting: [image]local://upfiles/31387/865222526A104EE4B2AE4DFBCA70393E.jpg[/image]

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (3/13/2013 5:07:44 PM)
March 27, 1942 Mixing It Up US English gives at least two meanings to that title. In this case it is meant literally, not as an idiom for a lot of fighting. Japanese land operations continue to be very slow and steady. There have been a few small takings here and there, either Rowboat Corps or frag landing, in the PI and elsewhere, but in the last week of the bonus large pieces of real estate are still untouched. 1) So, in the literal sense, the Allies mix it up today, targeting outside of what have been norms in an attempt to "send a message": Until we are pushed out of range a lot of your new empire is vulnerable. The results are pinpricks, but perhaps the uncertainty will unsettle Japanese leaderhsip. Five B-26s hit Makassar at 15,000 feet, bombing Resources this time. One point of damage is recorded. No CAP. Further afield in what Japan may consider rear areas now, nine Liberators bomb Georgetown's heavy industry at 4000 feet. One point of damage is done. No CAP. No Allied damage. And in a continuation of recent tactics, twenty B-17s and B-25Cs hit Balikpapan again from 3000 feet. Nine Zeroes and Tojos respond, destroying three planes. But the Allies score 7 more Oil hits on Japan's currently largest petroleum base. The Allies have been shifting targets daily to confuse, but perhaps it may be worth concentrating for a few days to wear down the CAP. A CAP of nine versus 4-5 bombers will win by disruption, but as the Allies increasingly have pools to mount two-dozen-bomber raids this might force further CAP concentrations, making the outlier attacks even safer for the Allies to shift to. 2) USS Pompano is attacked twice on the inside layer of the Kuriles, once hitting and dudding on a PB. This is the first time ASW has been seen beyond the inner Sea of Japan layer. Probably due to xAKL converisons coming on-line in larger numbers, but is still good intel and an investment of assets which shows the Sea of Japan patrolling has alarmed Japan at least a little. 3) Twin sweeps of 81 total Zeroes at Palembang find empty skies. Bombing is light and has not stopped fort-building. At Singers a medium-size xAP, xAP Taireais, is in trying to deliver 2000 supply. She is attacked by the low-Oscars which hit with 27 small bombs and sink her. Hit in the afternoon raids is xAP Le Maire, 31 bomb hits, which also sinks, before delivery I think. Time to re-eval Singers CAP. The AA is superb for 2E bombers (over thirty damaged today), but the Oscars are not put off by it. Japan has found something which works almost all the time, and with fighters with no other real job to do right now. An ML is also hit and explodes spectacularly, sinking. Yesterday, for the first time in awhile, AF damage was left at 10 after daily repairs and forts did not build. 4) Bataan is bombed in rotations. The Clark stack is still moving. I believe Clark to Bataan is about a six-day march, so I expect them tomorrow or the next day. 5) In China daily bombing of Tsuyung has become the norm. This is the southern outpost of the defenses. It has no supply, sometimes getting in 20 or so by air. When it does it builds forts, trying now to attain 2. Ledo is doing what it can, but needs aircraft. They are coming pretty soon. 6) The only ground action is Japan's squashing of a retreated British RN base force at Sandakan. 7) East of Hilo the UNDERDOG train rolls toward Pearl. Float planes and two SBD units see and deter Japanese subs. The gaggle should make Pearl tomorrow or the next day at worst. Enterprise has fixed a bit of damage en route and has done the transit at Mission speed without adding more. Good crew.

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (3/14/2013 1:46:28 PM)
March 28, 1942 Just A Day Little wit this morning. It's snowing like a mofo and I've had about enough, please. Slow day in the PTO. 1) Couple of ASW encounters in the Makassar Strait. The Dutch subs find and are found, the sides exchange a few rounds, but nobody gets hurt. No tankers seen. The investment of 6-8 subs here is not paying any VP dividends, but it is tying up IJN assets. If tankers are leaving by an easterly route for the long hook home I'm not seeing it. Several subs are on those approaches too. 2) Pompano penetrates the Sea of Japan and meets the same PB as yesterday. Gives it a matching dent courtesy of the US taxpayer. 3) Fruitless sweeps at Palembang, followed by low-levels of bombing. Forts will reach 4 here pretty soon. 4) Sallys hit Manila Bay Defenses several times. The stack does not arrive. Move/follow orders with arty leading? Dunno. 5) Low Oscars hit xAKL at Singers with 23 bombs, sinking her. I think she unloaded first. My CAP stocks are repairing at Oosthaven and Batavia. Think this is the last merchant I'll send north until I can coordinate some CAP into the base. Supplies are north of 12,000, so I have a week to play with more or less before things get tight. All LCUs are bulging with internal supply. 2E bombing costs Japan two bombers and about 30-40 damaged. 6) Tsyung is bombed. Shifted all transports at Ledo to feed this base and leave Paoshan alone for now. A 7-stack is moving north on the rail line (not in strat of course), about half-way to Tsyung. This will be a test of Chinese troops' ability to defend with no real supply. The base could fall quickly as I beleive the 7-stack has tanks, probably several regiments. In seven days three transport units of 75 aircraft come into Aden; figure a week or so to get them to Ledo. If that time is given they will be used at Tsyung. If not, Paoshan. There are substantial Chinese stacks on the yellow road in the high mountains NE of Tsyung. If he sees them they should lock his 7-stack in place, else they will come in behind if it moves on Paoshan and sever its supply line. This ought to also buy Paoshan some time to fortify and supply up. 7) 4Es hit Balikpapan. CAP has been ramped up to 18 Zeroes. In two strikes 4 B-25Cs are lost for one Zero. No Oil hits. The Liberators hit Samarinda and do 3 Oil hits. B-26s re-attack Makassar Resources for 1 hit because the Allied commander forgot to turn them off. Bad Allied comamnder! 8) The only land action is Japan taking a small mid-PI base/island, Tagbilaran, unopposed.

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (3/14/2013 5:32:53 PM)
Well, just did the next turn and my, my! The 7-stack headed for Tsyung has turned into a 27-stack! Fun! The red horde also reached Bataan. And UNDERDOG is safely to Pearl and eating ice cream. Gonna be some shootin' tonight!

crsutton -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (3/15/2013 4:06:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58 March 19, 1942 One Tin Soldier Rides Away This was the title of Mike's movie e-mail and refers to the famous US anti-war song written in the 1960s and made famous in the early 1970s by its inclusion in that famous movie, "Billy Jack" (you had to be there, kids): http://www.scoutsongs.com/lyrics/onetinsoldier.html "Go ahead and hate your neighbor, Go ahead and cheat a friend. Do it in the name of Heaven, You can justify it in the end. There won't be any trumpets blowing Come the judgement day, On the bloody morning after.... One tin soldier rides away." His reference was to the 55th Cav, the only good thing that happened for the Allies on this long day of war. Oh no! I don't think an AAR can go any lower than to make a Billy Jack reference.[:D] I worked as an usher in a theater and had to watch the ending of that pig about 60 times....They say that the 70s was the golden age of American cinema, and I truly believe that. Then of course, there was Billy Jack.

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (3/15/2013 12:58:16 PM)
quote: Oh no! I don't think an AAR can go any lower than to make a Billy Jack reference.[:D] I worked as an usher in a theater and had to watch the ending of that pig about 60 times....They say that the 70s was the golden age of American cinema, and I truly believe that. Then of course, there was Billy Jack. [8D] Girl of the Prairie never saw it, so I found it and it's on one of the DVRs right now waiting for her. Maybe this weekend. OTOH, she never saw "2001: A Space Odessey" either, and that's on the DVR too. Decisions, decisions . . .

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (3/15/2013 1:00:31 PM)
Cranked up Gus expecting to have a movie to watch full of Allied pain, but no movie. I don't know if that's good or bad. What to do about 27 LCUs approaching a key base which has no supply? Oofff!

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (3/15/2013 3:20:53 PM)
March 29, 1942 "Attack! Repeat! Attack!" When it rains it pours. Almost didn't have time today to worry about that 27-stack coming north. Almost. [8\|] 1) Mike's e-mail said he was going to need a bigger stick in the PI, so I knew Japan had not stopped for tea. The defenders are behind Forts 4, but only about 40% had any internal supply at all, and the best had 120. Base supply has been zero for weeks. But there are several major HQs there, 4th Marines, several well-rested if inexperienced PI divisions, and a smattering of tanks and arty. I knew from intel there were significant IJA combat engineers at Clark, and I expected a Shock attack after all the bombing and lack of AA response. But as is his habit Mike is cautious with his men. A good decision? I'm not sure either way to be truthful. The Japanese combined arms distribution is excellent. Perhaps one more infantry division would help, but there's no argument he brought the engineers to the party. However, other than knocking down forts, Japan didn't get the job done on this one. This is going to be the high-water mark for the defense of Bataan I fear, but if it is the troops acquitted themselves very well. Ground combat at Bataan (78,77) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 45642 troops, 472 guns, 446 vehicles, Assault Value = 1545 Defending force 54580 troops, 839 guns, 803 vehicles, Assault Value = 1697 Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 3 Japanese adjusted assault: 510 Allied adjusted defense: 1769 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 3 (fort level 3) Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 6443 casualties reported Squads: 38 destroyed, 432 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 26 disabled Engineers: 12 destroyed, 171 disabled Guns lost 66 (4 destroyed, 62 disabled) Vehicles lost 69 (4 destroyed, 65 disabled) Allied ground losses: 613 casualties reported Squads: 7 destroyed, 65 disabled Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 41 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled Guns lost 24 (2 destroyed, 22 disabled) Vehicles lost 52 (7 destroyed, 45 disabled) Assaulting units: 9th Infantry Regiment 48th Division 3rd Ind. Engineer Regiment 80th Infantry Regiment 21st Ind. Engineer Regiment 16th Engineer Regiment 4th Tank Regiment 20th Infantry Regiment 38th Division 16th Recon Regiment 7th Tank Regiment 9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment 14th Army 36th Const Co Defending units: 192nd Tank Battalion 57th PS Infantry Regimental Combat Team Manila Bay Defenses 194th Tank Battalion 71st PA Infantry Division 41st PA Infantry Division 14th PS Engineer Regiment 51st PA Infantry Division 91st PA Infantry Division 11th PA Infantry Division 4th Marine Regiment 21st PA Infantry Division 3rd/12th PA Inf Battalion 31st Infantry Regiment 45th PS Infantry Regimental Combat Team 31st PA Infantry Division 26th PS Cavalry Regiment 2nd PA Constabulary Division Manila USAAF Base Force Cavite USN Base Force PAF Aviation 202nd PA Construction Battalion 200th & 515th Coast AA Regiment 803rd Engineer Aviation Battalion Provisional GMC Grp 1st PI Base Force II Philippine Corps 88th PS Field Artillery Regiment Clark Field USAAF Base Force Bataan USN Base Force USAFFE 201st PA Construction Battalion Far East USAAF Asiatic Fleet I Philippine Corps 86th PS Coastal Artillery Battalion 1st USMC AA Battalion 301st PA Field Artillery Regiment On the theory that the Allies could attack without risking the Forts, and maybe Japan would pause a day to rest from the march, I had ordered a Bombardment attack. This happened after the Japanese, got no counter-battery fire at all, and did nice things for the Allied cause: Ground combat at Bataan (78,77) Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 37099 troops, 782 guns, 315 vehicles, Assault Value = 1600 Defending force 43781 troops, 468 guns, 521 vehicles, Assault Value = 1098 Japanese ground losses: 405 casualties reported Squads: 2 destroyed, 29 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled) Vehicles lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled) The disablements may cause a pause at Bataan, which is the main focus now. Pinning these units prevents them from heading to Rabaul or Java. Or Singers. I'm not sure after this Allied performance if Mike really understands how flat the defensers are supply-wise. I don't have the next turn, but after the bombardment I wouldn't be surprised to find only 2-3 LCUs with any internal supply at all. 2) Given that Mike had mentioned only the PI in the e-mail I was surprised, and worried, when the screen jumped to Singers and began an attack run there. In this case, if I may, I do think he made a mistake in not doing a Shock attack. He knows after several attempts now that I am focusing on Forts. He also well knows how much effort the Allies have expended in getting supply into the base. The key to Singers now is Forts. Nothing else. He doesn't have the air force to take supply to zero. He has to knock down the forts and then depend on crushing second phase anti-soft firepower to take out the defenders. Here, despite doing a LOT of casualty damage I can't replace, he failed to hurt the Forts. The Japanese disablements might buy me enough time to get Forts all the way to 4 again, repeating the cycle, potentially into May. I might be dreaming here, but it could happen. [:'(] Here's the bill: Ground combat at Singapore (50,84) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 84429 troops, 998 guns, 487 vehicles, Assault Value = 2997 Defending force 44394 troops, 593 guns, 413 vehicles, Assault Value = 1249 Japanese adjusted assault: 2265 Allied adjusted defense: 2909 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 3) Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 6758 casualties reported Squads: 17 destroyed, 475 disabled Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 89 disabled Engineers: 66 destroyed, 112 disabled Guns lost 62 (4 destroyed, 58 disabled) Vehicles lost 38 (8 destroyed, 30 disabled) Allied ground losses: 2530 casualties reported Squads: 60 destroyed, 191 disabled Non Combat: 14 destroyed, 128 disabled Engineers: 2 destroyed, 58 disabled Guns lost 53 (1 destroyed, 52 disabled) Vehicles lost 36 (6 destroyed, 30 disabled) Units destroyed 1 Assaulting units: 12th Engineer Regiment 148th Infantry Regiment 23rd Ind. Engineer Regiment 2nd Tank Regiment 5th Division 21st Division 114th Infantry Regiment 56th Infantry Regiment 16th Infantry Regiment 56th Recon Regiment 113th Infantry Regiment 56th Engineer Regiment 4th Division 15th Ind. Engineer Regiment Imperial Guards Division 55th Infantry Regiment 24th Infantry Regiment 4th Ind. Engineer Regiment Karafuto Mixed Brigade 14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 56th Field Artillery Regiment 20th AA Regiment 3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion 1st RF Gun Battalion 5th Mortar Battalion 3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment 10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 25th Army 3rd Mortar Battalion 3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 18th Mountain Gun Regiment 18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment 2nd Mortar Battalion 34th Field AA Battalion Defending units: 5/14th Punjab Battalion SSVF Brigade 1st Manchester Battalion 2nd Loyal Battalion 27th Australian Brigade 3rd SSVF Battalion 1st Mysore Battalion 1st Hyderabad Battalion 2nd Malay Battalion 3rd Cavalry Regiment 22nd Australian Brigade 2/17 Dogra Battalion 11th Indian Division 9th Indian Division 1st Indian Heavy AA Regiment 2nd ISF Base Force 1st ISF Base Force 24th NZ Pioneer Coy Singapore Base Force 22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment 110th RAF Base Force 3rd HK&S Light AA Regiment 1st HK&S Heavy AA Regiment 109th RAF Base Force 3rd ISF Base Force FMSV Brigade III Indian Corps Malayan Air Wing Malaya Army 112th RAF Base Force 111th RAF Base Force 3rd Heavy AA Regiment Singapore Fortress 2nd HK&S Heavy AA Regiment 109th RN Base Force 3) Hard to compete with those two attacks, but things happened elsewhere. I'm working on a perhaps wimpy operation around Burma. Might not come off, so I won't go into it now. But Japanese defenses are focused up-country in the big stack (75,000 men plus many AFVs), leaving Pegu, Rangoon, Prome, and Baselin empty or nearly so. The Allies bombed Prome today, more as a probe, and found no CAP, no troops, and no supplies. Hmm. 4) Japan began landing on unoccupied Noemfoor. Lots of these clean-up hexes remaining, and the bonus is gasping for breath. Japan also took another unoccupied mid-PI island I can't name and never could. It's in that group in the middle there. [:)] 5) The mighty RN ASW TF operating up by Singers jump on RO-34 (I think I've "sunk" this guy about five times already) in shallow water and damage the forward tubes. Should be some yard time. No supply ships, not even the FT APD, went at Singers today. 6) Tsyung was bombed several times. This base will shortly be the center of the universe for the Allies. All transports at Ledo (18 planes) are shifted to supplying this outpost; supply levels scream up to 17. I will post a screen shot soon, but essentially half of Japan is coming from the south up the rail line. T. has a decent Chinese garrison, but not enough. On the yellow road in the high mountains to the NE there is a Chinese stack hovering, which includes the senior Red Army HQ led by General Mao. Ops range of 6. This geometry is a real chess problem, which is a problem because I was never good at chess. My main hope is that T. puts up a decent fight, the remnants fall back, and Japan is forked by either addressing the stack in the mountains (which has a retreat path open all the way back to Chungking), or leaving a substantial portion of the 27 LCUs behind to guard the supply line while the rest moves on to Paoshan, which is stiffer than T.'s defenses. Beyond that is Lashio, already at Forts 4.5 and with 1500 AV in good defense terrain. And beyond THAT is the Mandalay group, with half of China standing around. Essentially my defense is like those bales of hay set out on road-racing courses. Slow down the crash, but let it through to the next set of bales. Good idea? How do I know? I'm making this up as I go. [:'(] 7) Liberators hit Miri Oil for 1 point of damage and one Liberator. 8) 42nd Nav Gd begins landing on Tawi Tawi, the most conceited of all the Tawi islands. 9) The Pearl shuffle: Enterprise wants 51 days of repair time, a lot of it in the yards. I have huge block upgrades coming due on April 1, including almost all of the USN sub fleet. I also have two BBs at Pearl, WVA and Warspite, which need yard time to get healthy enough to flush to the WC or EC. Time to be a manager. I have taken Yorktown and Hornet upgrades for April off the table. Sara and Lex emerge in four days from theirs and I want four decks to address Palmyra and Johnson I. once and for all. Seen yesterday: a TF reading as CVE/AV/AV calling at Palmyra. Got the "carriers sighted" sound effect as well. Japan intends to make my life hard at Palmyra? We'll see about that. Famous last words? Moose are known for that . . . [sm=00000436.gif]

Crackaces -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (3/15/2013 4:41:09 PM)
I know CR has discused that upgrading leaders at Singers is not worth the investment, but my experience has been like yours. Upgrade the leaders and the combat becomes more bloody for the IJA. You pointed out that you received more destroyed sqauds, which are not comming back at Singers vs. a lot more disabled squads that will repair over time ... However, [as you already know] you bought more time at both PI and Singers .. The IJ must be pulling thier hair out by now [sm=Christo_pull_hair.gif] [:D]

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (3/15/2013 7:10:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Crackaces I know CR has discused that upgrading leaders at Singers is not worth the investment, but my experience has been like yours. Upgrade the leaders and the combat becomes more bloody for the IJA. You pointed out that you received more destroyed sqauds, which are not comming back at Singers vs. a lot more disabled squads that will repair over time ... However, [as you already know] you bought more time at both PI and Singers .. The IJ must be pulling thier hair out by now [sm=Christo_pull_hair.gif] [:D] The PPs invested in new leaders was well worth it for sure. But the main reasons for this battle are supplies and forts. Nothing beats 'em. Two days ago I would have thought a win like this would have thrown the game into a new reality. But the stack heading toward Burma has changed my mind. This might be--I don't know what's in it--the first real evidence of a no-HR game coming home to roost. If he has cleaned out Manchuria and added the four free Scen 2 divisions, that stack could be a dozen or more infantry divisions and five or six tank regiments. Plus some HQs and engineers.

Crackaces -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (3/15/2013 7:58:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58 quote: ORIGINAL: Crackaces I know CR has discused that upgrading leaders at Singers is not worth the investment, but my experience has been like yours. Upgrade the leaders and the combat becomes more bloody for the IJA. You pointed out that you received more destroyed sqauds, which are not comming back at Singers vs. a lot more disabled squads that will repair over time ... However, [as you already know] you bought more time at both PI and Singers .. The IJ must be pulling thier hair out by now [sm=Christo_pull_hair.gif] [:D] The PPs invested in new leaders was well worth it for sure. But the main reasons for this battle are supplies and forts. Nothing beats 'em. Two days ago I would have thought a win like this would have thrown the game into a new reality. But the stack heading toward Burma has changed my mind. This might be--I don't know what's in it--the first real evidence of a no-HR game coming home to roost. If he has cleaned out Manchuria and added the four free Scen 2 divisions, that stack could be a dozen or more infantry divisions and five or six tank regiments. Plus some HQs and engineers. I have experimented and I think there is a trigger at game turn 800 for Soviet Intervention, and I do not think it tests for garrsioning before that point. So I am thinking that a No-HR strategy might be to empty out Manchuria like you suggest and know that the software is not going to test Soviet Intervention until Feburary 1944. I have not read any AAR or comment that has mentioned otherwise unless the IJ specfically decide to get the Soviets involved. Is that what you are thinking is happening here? Hmmm.. it might take some ahistorical redistribution of the US Marines to save Burma .. somehow Mandalay has got to get worked into the Marine Corps Hymn .. [8D]

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (3/15/2013 8:03:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Crackaces I have experimented and I think there is a trigger at game turn 800 for Soviet Intervention, and I do not think it tests for garrsioning before that point. So I am thinking that a No-HR strategy might be to empty out Manchuria like you suggest and know that the software is not going to test Soviet Intervention until Feburary 1944. I have not read any AAR or comment that has mentioned otherwise unless the IJ specfically decide to get the Soviets involved. Is that what you are thinking is happening here? Hmmm.. it might take some ahistorical redistribution of the US Marines to save Burma .. somehow Mandalay has got to get worked into the Marine Corps Hymn .. [8D] By "clean out" I didn't mean go below 8000. I meant the non-AV stuff, plus the restircted fighting LCUs which don't need PPs to move in a non-HR game. In AI games I've switched sides and moved a Japanese unit across the border. The Soviets activated immediatley. I have never experimented with just lowering the garrison below the trigger. I've never seen even a hint in the forum that there is a start point for garrison checking. You might want to ask this in the general forum. At minimum you would get some interesting responses. [:)]

Crackaces -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (3/15/2013 8:38:10 PM)
quote: By "clean out" I didn't mean go below 8000. I meant the non-AV stuff, plus the restircted fighting LCUs which don't need PPs to move in a non-HR game. In AI games I've switched sides and moved a Japanese unit across the border. The Soviets activated immediatley. I have never experimented with just lowering the garrison below the trigger. I've never seen even a hint in the forum that there is a start point for garrison checking OK .. now I understand .. My posting in your AAR was just that I had experimented as the IJ H-H mode .. and N=3 reproduced a trigger on turn 800. This was the same game, but I empited Manchuria on turn 600 and the played until the Soviets were activated. All 3 times on Turn 800 .. bam .. leading me to think the was the first time this is checked in the code .. it could have been just a random event too or embeeded into the particular gane .. [8D] If somebody has seen the Soviets activated sooner without IJ intervention I am sure I will hear about it in your AAR [;)]

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (3/17/2013 8:43:43 PM)
March 30, 1942 The Day After Yesterday An important day, even if somewhat a "sweep up." I had no idea what I would find when I dug into the numbers at Singers and Bataan. Moslty not as bad as I feared. Singers: Supply pulled down to about 7500. Shot one APD north with 180. The base is about 10,000 short of 2x needed to replace (the pools don't support needs regardless of supply) as well as rebuild internal LCU supplies. To address that I reprogram a number of TFs unloading CT-sourced supply at Oosthaven and send them north. I have pumped a lot into southern Sumatra from CT in order to build Palembang back into the 80,000s and to build Oosthaven to over 20,000 so it can become a major air maintenance base for CAP refugees. The port at Oosthaven is still small, so the TFs stay awhile to disgorge. A lot of the xAKs are big though, not the xAKLs I've been expending on runs into Singers. But there are a lot of them, they might survive a low-Oscar swarm, and I can (maybe) jump Singers 10k in a hurry if I risk them. So, I'll risk them. Forts at Singers, despite the battle, go to 64% of 4. LCU-wise the battle hurt the poor and spared the rich, more or less. The small fighting LCUs got hit hard. Some went from, say, 18 AV to 0, with just a commander and some Support alive. But the Four Bigs, the two Auusie units and the two Indian divisions (one with no actual Indian infantry left alive), took only minor losses. The worst disruption I saw was 13, and most are 3-4. Experience gains were in the 2 range throughout. Four big battles now and there is very good experience at Singers. If I can get Forts to 4 again I think they can survive at least one more non-Shock attack. Bataan: Forts dropped to 3 here, better than I expected. Internal LCU supplies also better than I thought. The big PI infantry units all have at least a little, and some are still near 100. Thought about it in terms of trade-offs and decided to Bombard again to try to max IJA disruption when they're a couple of hexes from supply dumps at Clark. Got good results: Ground combat at Bataan (78,77) Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 37041 troops, 779 guns, 314 vehicles, Assault Value = 1594 Defending force 43976 troops, 472 guns, 523 vehicles, Assault Value = 1111 Japanese ground losses: 134 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Allied ground losses: 21 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Vehicles lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled) All the Bataan defenders can do now is delay. Everything I order is with that in mind. Elsewhere: 1) Tawi Tawi falls. Landings on Jolo next door. 2) Pompano does not let up. One hits, three dud. A large xAK, it should make port, but some damage is better than four duds. Sub attack near Sapporo at 119,50 Japanese Ships xAK Yamazuki Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage PB Aso Maru #7 Allied Ships SS Pompano 3) Knowing the merchants will be running the gauntlet to Singers over the next days, CAP is moved/maxed at Batavia to repair what can be repaired fast. These will be moved to Singers temporarily to fight low-Oscars; the AA already works over the 2Es pretty well. Significant aviation support is strat moving from Palembang to Oosthaven; right now Oost can't pump out repair like Batavia can. Additionally, knowing Netties will be involved, 4Es shift from Oil work to Singkawang's air field and do some damage. Won't close it, but might slow down launches. 4) Bombing keeps up at Tsuyung. And two LCUs break free from the huge stack to the south and enter the hex. From many past experiences in China I figure these are armor. Probably two tank regiments, but maybe not. At minimum one regiment though. The base has 20 supply, but a decent, undisrupted stack of infantry and HQs. It has a major HQ in ops range (5, not the 6 I said yesterday.) So what to do? If the Allies wait for the big stack the fight will almost certainly be a loser for them, with a retreat at best. But Japan uses armor in China as shock troops and in a battle with a 27-stack the armor won't muss its hair. Here, they're alone. The Chinese decide to take the swing at a fat pitch and risk a beanball in two days. In for a penny, they go for the Shock. It works well; the 2-stack is not two regiments: Ground combat at Tsuyung (68,46) Allied Shock attack Attacking force 35656 troops, 222 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1276 Defending force 810 troops, 0 guns, 123 vehicles, Assault Value = 71 Allied adjusted assault: 1296 Japanese adjusted defense: 40 Allied assault odds: 32 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: Vehicles lost 75 (27 destroyed, 48 disabled) Units retreated 2 Allied ground losses: 544 casualties reported Squads: 7 destroyed, 141 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Defeated Japanese Units Retreating! Assaulting units: 19th Chinese Corps 23rd Chinese Corps 26th Chinese Corps 9th Separate Brigade 33rd Chinese Corps 9th Chinese Corps 96th Chinese Corps 2nd War Area 6th Group Army 12th Chinese Base Force Defending units: 13th Tank Regiment 9th Armored Car Co Interesting data: the bolded (-) factors seen above for Japan. Especially supply. This was a good day at this base, but worse is coming. The Chinese supply situation here is beyond terrible and can't be fixed now. Que sera sera.

V I Lenin -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (3/18/2013 2:21:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58 Interesting data: the bolded (-) factors seen above for Japan. Especially supply. This was a good day at this base, but worse is coming. The Chinese supply situation here is beyond terrible and can't be fixed now. Que sera sera. Absolutely not true! This is a point that does not seem to register with anyone - supply draw inside bases does not work the same as supply draw outside bases. Your army at Tsuyung are limited to a max supply volume (as indicated by number on base screen) modified by supply weight in two very important ways. Imagining that Tsuyung can draw 900 supplies per 'tick' (for sake of argument) and trying to draw supplies from Mandalay (you gave up Rangoon, yes?) 900 x 0.55 [spoilage for 3 hexes minor rail + 8 hexes minor road is 45%] = 495 - this is your actual 'per tick' supply received at the base, though 900 will be lost from Mandalay to do it. Then, your weekly supply received will be either 495 x 2 or 495 x 4 (I cannot remember where the cutoff point is between the supply movement process running 2 or 4 times a week - I think it is over 70 = 4 and under 70 = 2, but not certain; I do remember than under 30 no supply flows at all - this means that if you lose Prome Tsuyung cannot draw from Akyab, Ramree, India etc - it has to draw from intermediate bases, all of which have limits and so are likely to cause big problems). So you are operating on max 1000t per week INSIDE TSUYUNG BASE. OUTSIDE the base it is totally different IF you have supplies available to send out. LCUs do not have supply limits!, and they also go further to get their supplies - as long as spoilage would be less than 100% they will draw. This means that units not in a base - Can draw more supplies (as much as they need, but do it less often at long range - often only 1 time per week) - Can draw supplies from further So, as long as you have supplies to send out, you can support units. There is danger here that if they are peacefully in a hex and enemy suddenly arrives and starts bombarding, it may take them 6 or 7 days to replenish their supply (so risk of running out - but only for first time, since after that they will up their demand to include resisting bombardment/counterfire) - but that can be mitigated easily with reserve forces. From hex northwest of Tsuyung you can (just, just - 98% spoilage) draw from Imphal - but Japanese have already made it into jungle mountains, so damage is done; there is nothing useful at Tsuyung, so sensible thing to do is to retreat to hex northeast of Paoshan (66,44); from there units can if nothing else draw from Imphal at 'only' 88% spoilage and also from Silchar, which is very easy to supply due to the railway. In Burma, if you have units that do not need to be in bases, take them out and turn supply stockpiling on! In the countryside they can do their own supply and bases can build up to support aircraft, AA guns. I hope that is making sense to you - ask if not! Using this you can support armies in Burma - it is very inefficient with very, very high supply wastage, but it can be done. Obviously closer you get to India = less wastage.

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