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Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (7/28/2017 7:04:34 AM)

10/10/44

Peep Show II: Enemy troops at Karenko wiped out today. Hengchun is last enemy outpost on Formosa.

Fancy Pants: Most of the big targets in Japan are within normal range of Foochow and/or Taichu. Both are big airfields with lots of aviation support. Both are about to get 100k supply or more. The strategic bombing campaign will then enter a new phase.



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Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (7/28/2017 7:27:48 AM)

10/10/44

Death Star: Reinforced and ready to go. My carriers are configured for defense: extra fighter squadrons, fewer strike aircraft, and generally strike aircraft set to very short range (the risk of a carrier clash is small; the risk of a big CAP trap is high, given the proximity of enemy bases). I've been using variations of this configuration for a long time now.

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Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (7/28/2017 7:35:44 AM)

10/10/44

Supply & Reinforcements: Goodies aboard ship at Manila mean the seat of the war is about to shift from Luzon to China.

These TFs leave Manila tonight. Invasion Pescadores in about four days.



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JohnDillworth -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (7/28/2017 10:43:36 AM)

What happened to taking a strategic points in he DEI? Operation Show Closed?



Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (7/28/2017 3:13:57 PM)

The DEI troops are in the DEI or en route. All but the Singapore contingent are fully prepped.

The DEI remains a target of opportunity, awaiting the moment when the circumstances are right. If John posted KB in the East China Sea and kept 500 LBA at Shanghai, I'd probably choose an easier objective, like diverting to the DEI. But if he leaves the Ningpo/Wenchow/Hangchow/Shanghai sector - and later Korea - vulnerable, I'll just keep moving forward. Shanghai is worth about as much as Singapore and is a more efficient target: less movement and time required.

In the near term, Ningpo is probably the highest priority. It's needed to bring B-24Js into range of Kyushu.



ny59giants -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (7/28/2017 3:41:25 PM)

Shanghai - You can go up river with some ships depending on size. This may bring some of the bases on both sides of the river into play isolating Shanghai.



HansBolter -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (7/28/2017 5:27:32 PM)

The river is navigable for small vessels all the way to Hankow.



Hortlund -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (7/28/2017 6:35:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
(I need a name)


Juggler (you are doing many things at the same time now)

Encore (you are doing great so far, latest operations have been a great success)

Rope dancer (Well, lets just say you dont want to miss a step)



witpqs -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (7/28/2017 8:02:39 PM)

PjH! [8D]



HansBolter -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (7/28/2017 9:15:59 PM)

Welcome Back PJH!



crsutton -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (7/28/2017 9:26:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

List of Allied operation names:

Circus: NoPac (originally Hokkaido but diverted to Aleutians), Summer '43
Roller Coaster: CenPac (Marshalls/Gilberts), Summer '43
Thin Man: CenPac (Roi Namur, Kwajalein), Summer '43
Lion Tamer: SoPac (Efate), Summer '43
Flying Trapeze: Wake Island, Autumn '43
Big Tent: DEI (esp. New Guinea, Moluccas, Ceram), Autumn '43
Third Ring: Gulf of Carpentaria (Merauke, Horn Island, Gove); Autumn '43
Carousel: Celebes (esp. Makassar), early '44.
Fun House: Luzon, Central PI, Miri: Spring, Summer '44
Bumper Cars: Eniwetok, Marcus (scrubbed), Summer '44
Peep Show I: Coastal China, Orchid Island, Summer '44
Peep Show II: Formosa, Summer and Autumn '44


Ring toss.
Or, shooting gallery.



Bif1961 -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (7/28/2017 10:07:54 PM)

Resupply operations "Dancing Elephants."



Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (7/28/2017 10:49:10 PM)

10/11/44

KB: Another enemy carrier TF showed up on the map, near Babeldaob. Was John shadowing Half Death Star as it made its way across CenPac, hoping to strike? Or were his carriers to distant, steaming hard in hopes of catching up? It really doesn't matter at this point but it would be fun knowing what John was thinking and doing.

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Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (7/28/2017 11:03:31 PM)

10/11/44

Peep Show & Fancy Pants: Details on map.

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BBfanboy -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (7/29/2017 12:27:38 AM)

Just a guess, but John may have thought your mini DS was escorting an invasion bound for Babeldaob and surrounding area. That would explain why his carriers flocked there.

OTOH the presence of tankers in the TFs may mean he is just moving fuel around before you bomb the sources.



T Rav -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (7/29/2017 12:50:02 PM)

Dancing Elephants! Great name for many logistics operations, though maybe not for CR's. I think he's got a good handle on it.

Backstory is that whenever Generals get involved with "details," its called an Elephant Dance. That's because they unknowingly crush everything in their path, then wonder why things didn't work out. Perfect name.



Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (7/29/2017 4:29:03 PM)

10/12/44

Only time to post the graphic. I'm heading out to canoe the Chattooga River this afternoon, living up to my screen name. (It ain't the famous Chattooga; it's a placid river in northwest Georgia.) Back this evening. Y'all have a nice Saturday afternoon.

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palioboy2 -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (7/29/2017 4:36:05 PM)

I know you are starting to focus more on night time strategic bombing. But are there any places on the Chinese MLR that you could send a massed 4E strike against? I doubt John has any cap over bases in China. If nothing else it gives him somewhere else he needs to think about protecting or you can find a soft spot in his defence.



Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (7/29/2017 4:42:39 PM)

4EB do almost nothing against dug in troops or troops in good defensive terrain. The Japanese MLR troops probably have four or five forts each.



JohnDillworth -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (7/29/2017 6:09:33 PM)

Do you have enough supply and support to start spitting out PT boats? You have to figure out a way to make these quick, night surface combat runs more painful.



BBfanboy -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (7/29/2017 8:28:57 PM)

Those DMS are short-winded things. It helps to reset their home base to somewhere near their employment so they do not refuel every other day when with another TF.



palioboy2 -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (7/29/2017 8:34:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

4EB do almost nothing against dug in troops or troops in good defensive terrain. The Japanese MLR troops probably have four or five forts each.


Sorry I should have specified. I was wondering if there are any bases in open terrain where you could try to either punch a hole or create a meat grinder situation for the troops caught under the bombs.



Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (7/30/2017 1:56:37 AM)

There's one base in open terrain, but it's far from my airfields. I'd rather devote my B-24Js and B-29s to more important missions. As mentioned before, the Japanese MLR in China is actually helpful in many respects - keeping a large Japanese army away from the coast, where I'll soon be moving in strength.



Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (7/30/2017 1:58:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth
Do you have enough supply and support to start spitting out PT boats? You have to figure out a way to make these quick, night surface combat runs more painful.


Not sure what you mean. John hasn't employed a combat run in more than a month. He's been totally quiet.

But I do have PT boats at Taichu - perhaps four TFs.



Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (7/30/2017 1:59:27 AM)

10/13/44

Peep Show: Allies take Hengchun, the last IJ base on Formosa.

Fancy Pants: D-Day Pescadores the day after tomorrow.

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Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (7/30/2017 8:20:26 PM)

10/14/44

Peep Show: 4EB strike Osaka in big numbers and effectively - the best raid of the war, to this point. Progress made towards eliminating the enemy units at Hengchun. That is the last item to be done on the Peep Show list.

Fancy Pants: D-Day Pescadores tomorrow. Large reinforcing landings at Foochow likely the day after tomorrow.

Lots of power in close proximity now, so things can get crazy....but once again I'm struck by just how much more tense things would be if KB were at least in the general vicinity.

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JohnDillworth -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (7/30/2017 9:11:22 PM)

no magic altitude for night bombing but lower is somewhat better. You just don't want to be within a few thousand feet of the night fighters. If you come in close to the same altitude you are going to have losses and disruption. Keep mixing it up. Good raid there. How many bombers went in for that much damage?



Lokasenna -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (7/30/2017 9:16:03 PM)

2K feet is best for damage.



Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (7/30/2017 9:44:52 PM)

10/14/44

Firebombing: The results of the raids on Osaka and a few other cities. I think more than 200k fires set in Osaka.

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Bullwinkle58 -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (7/31/2017 12:02:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

2K feet is best for damage.


Bad for balloons.

Firebombing I usually do 8, 9, 10, or 11k. Accuracy not as important.



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