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terje439 -> RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 (8/21/2013 12:55:47 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: loki100

seems to be the calm before the coming storm.

presume from your list of disbands you have started to garrison your prepared rear lines?


Yes, I have now entered the first of the lines in front of Rumania.


Terje



mmarquo -> RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 (8/21/2013 1:32:35 PM)

Which variant are you playing; how many turns in this match??



terje439 -> RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 (8/21/2013 1:34:40 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Marquo

Which variant are you playing; how many turns in this match??


The alternate one. Do not recall the number of turns tbh.


Terje



terje439 -> RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 (8/22/2013 12:48:02 PM)

Turn 155

Overall
First the good news. Our spies report that Zhukov has been killed. The bad news on the other hand is that we will lose a division, as the USSR now makes as good progress as we did in -41. 34 USSR attacks resulted in 12 helds and 22 retreats, while our 5 attacks all resulted in retreats.

Losses
USSR : ??.000 troops, ?? guns, ?? AFVs, ??? AC.
Axis : ??.000 troops, ?? guns, ?? AFVs, ??? AC.

German units disbanded
4 Fortified Zones.

Partisans
We kill all 8.

German Pools
Manpower : 2.523
Vehicles : 161.411
Armaments : 185.586
Hiwi : 467




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Peltonx -> RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 (8/22/2013 1:56:18 PM)

Between November 44 T-177 and Febarary 45 T-192 you will receive a positive 57 divisions in just 15 turns.

If you can be some wheres near Posen by then you have a chance as these units alone could form a line of 2 deep with a 2nd of one deep.

SHC rifle Corps can only hit the first line because of MP's, if your line is double stacked in forts with reserve reaction units in the back.

Not sure how the truck issue is impacting your game, but if there are any issue's the should be having and impact now as SHC army is above 9 million.

It will for sure come Dec-March



smokindave34 -> RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 (8/23/2013 1:46:40 AM)

A word of advice on Rumania. Be very careful with your German units when the Rumanian surrender is imminent. I would get every German unit out of Rumania just prior to its surrender. Once all the Rumanian hexes flip to Soviet you could end up with your remaining German units pocketed. I learned this the hard way - twice. Additionally the Rumanian rail lines will flip to Soviet so your opponents advance will not slow down due to lack of supply through Rumania. This is a very tricky balancing act for the Germans. Good luck!

Also, there is a Rumanian city near the border with Hungary (I foget the name right now). You need to garrisson that as well or Hungary could surrender also - see Disgruntled Veteran's AAR concerning that. He had to deal with both minor allies surrendering at the same time.




Peltonx -> RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 (8/23/2013 2:58:47 AM)


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ORIGINAL: smokindave34

A word of advice on Rumania. Be very careful with your German units when the Rumanian surrender is imminent. I would get every German unit out of Rumania just prior to its surrender. Once all the Rumanian hexes flip to Soviet you could end up with your remaining German units pocketed. I learned this the hard way - twice. Additionally the Rumanian rail lines will flip to Soviet so your opponents advance will not slow down due to lack of supply through Rumania. This is a very tricky balancing act for the Germans. Good luck!

Also, there is a Rumanian city near the border with Hungary (I foget the name right now). You need to garrisson that as well or Hungary could surrender also - see Disgruntled Veteran's AAR concerning that. He had to deal with both minor allies surrendering at the same time.




The name if the city is Arad- put one regiment in the city.

Dave dave dave have you not learnt anything?

A word of advice GOOD advice use my simple little trick.

1. Form a line of German units from Hunland to Bulgaria as per my screen shot.

2. When your ready to dump Romania leave a single regiment in the cap push all Romania units to front.

3. leave a town or 2 open in north part of Romania.

4. Russians take town, country flips, all of Romania behind GHC Hun/Bul line is surrounded so the next phase all the land flips to GHC control other then 2 stacks of units which you capture during GHC turn.

5. All GHC units are withen easy supply from Bulgaria or Hunland.

Yes a sweet little trick of the trade.

Good advice is better then bad advice [sm=Cool-049.gif]


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Peltonx -> RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 (8/23/2013 3:00:38 AM)

Read the rule book peeps more gems like that in there.

Morale IS the [sm=happy0029.gif] of The Battle Field



terje439 -> RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 (8/23/2013 5:01:35 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Pelton

Between November 44 T-177 and Febarary 45 T-192 you will receive a positive 57 divisions in just 15 turns.

If you can be some wheres near Posen by then you have a chance as these units alone could form a line of 2 deep with a 2nd of one deep.




I doubt it tbh. Seems the USSR advance is just too swift for me to be around come February...


Terje



terje439 -> RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 (8/23/2013 5:06:11 PM)

Turn 156

Overall
Not much to tell really, the USSR strikes out, isolate a few of my infantry divisions (as I am unable to really hold a line at this time), and push me out of my forts with one attack.
We made no attacks, while the USSR launched 77, causing 24 helds, 1 scouted, 51 retreats and 1 surrender.

Losses
USSR : 53.000 troops, 698 guns, 121 AFVs, 462 AC.
Axis : 69.000 troops, 1.416 guns, 103 AFVs, 145 AC.

German units destroyed
327th Infantry Division, 4/55th SP Flak Company, 4/31st SP Flak Company.

German units disbanded
15 Fortified Zones.

Partisans
Both were killed.

German Pools
Manpower : 9.375
Vehicles : 169.169
Armaments : 193.594
Hiwi : 1.704




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carlkay58 -> RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 (8/23/2013 10:55:52 PM)

Trying to build up a strategic reserve for a mobile breakout?



smokindave34 -> RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 (8/23/2013 11:25:14 PM)

quote:



Dave dave dave have you not learnt anything?



Very litttle....... [:D]



terje439 -> RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 (8/24/2013 5:05:24 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: carlkay58

Trying to build up a strategic reserve for a mobile breakout?



Too far behind it seems... Might be merging of brigades/divisions into corps perhaps...



Terje



loki100 -> RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 (8/24/2013 8:22:30 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: terje439

Too far behind it seems... Might be merging of brigades/divisions into corps perhaps...



Terje


keeping them static to minimise truck losses? Both by not moving things that are not immediately needed and keeping them on a repaired portion of the rail net?

...

or just trying to worry you - the front is so powerful that all this stuff isn't really needed?




terje439 -> RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 (8/24/2013 9:42:10 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: loki100


or just trying to worry you - the front is so powerful that all this stuff isn't really needed?




Well, it IS [X(]


Terje



terje439 -> RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 (8/24/2013 10:15:44 AM)

Turn 157

Overall
Well, the USSR did a rather big push in the north, trapping some more divisions, and more importantly, forcing me to pull back rather far. We are now just a few hexes away from East Preussia. In the south and centre, we hold for now.
55 USSR attacks gave a result of 20 helds, 32 retreats, 1 rout and 2 surrenders. Our 3 attacks had a better successrate, as all were retreats (gotta take the few bright spots we can [:D]).

Losses
USSR : 57.000 troops, 714 guns, 125 AFVs, 405 AC.
Axis : 82.000 troops, 1.317 guns, 107 AFVs, 133 AC.

German units destroyed
32nd, 79th, 126th, 253rd and the 342nd Infantry Divisions.
280th StuG Brigade.
731st JagdPanzer Battalion.
505th and 655th Pioneer Battalion.

German units disbanded
1 Fortified Zone.
The 1st Infantry Division was merged with the 217th, the 58th was merged with the 121st, the 387th was merged with the 227th, both 383rd and 267th were merged with the 298th, the 252nd merged into the 6th, and finally the 293rd was merged into the 78th Sturm Division. (in total 7 divisions merged away).

Partisans
All 8 were retreated across.

German Pools
Manpower : 996
Vehicles : 175.292
Armaments : 213.309
Hiwi : 119

Current predicition
War ends in -44.


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loki100 -> RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 (8/24/2013 10:45:11 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: terje439

Current predicition
War ends in -44.


sounds a wee bit pessimistic but I guess you have a better feel for how much resistance you can manage?

My only late game experience is SP and I felt that if the German AI had built a few redoubts and really committed to the defence of major rivers (& the slow speed of forcing the Carpathians) it could have taken me beyond the winter 44-45 and into mud in 45.



terje439 -> RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 (8/24/2013 4:10:54 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: loki100


quote:

ORIGINAL: terje439

Current predicition
War ends in -44.


sounds a wee bit pessimistic but I guess you have a better feel for how much resistance you can manage?

My only late game experience is SP and I felt that if the German AI had built a few redoubts and really committed to the defence of major rivers (& the slow speed of forcing the Carpathians) it could have taken me beyond the winter 44-45 and into mud in 45.




Look at the screenshot for T156, the surrounded units in the north were on the frontline at the end of my turn...
My forces offer almost no resistance anymore unless in a lvl3 fort, and then only for one turn I am afraid.



Terje



loki100 -> RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 (8/24/2013 5:33:45 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: terje439
Look at the screenshot for T156, the surrounded units in the north were on the frontline at the end of my turn...
My forces offer almost no resistance anymore unless in a lvl3 fort, and then only for one turn I am afraid.



Terje


ah, see what you mean, that was an advance of 3-4 hexes depending quite where the front was when it started ...



terje439 -> RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 (8/24/2013 6:47:41 PM)

Yes, 4 hexes is no problem for the USSR to "eat up" in a single turn, and I have too many understrength divisions, so they punch a hole and march in :(



terje439 -> RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 (8/25/2013 7:16:27 AM)

Turn 158

Overall
Another bad turn for us. Sean is doing a far too good job in three aspects;
a) he keeps attacking the battered divisions, and they will usually retreat or rout, hence losing even more troops and guns.
b) he is doing an extremely good job with his breakthroughs. He knows it does not matter if he loses a corps or two.
c) His ability to breech level 3 forts in one turn.
So, we fall back once more, and I doubt this rout will stop before mud hits...
43 USSR attacks resulted in 17 helds, 1 scouted, 20 retreats, 3 routs and 2 surrenders, while our 1 attack resulted with a retreat.

Losses
USSR : 51.000 troops, 491 guns, 276 AFVs, 392 AC.
Axis : 76.000 troops, 1.168 guns, 127 AFVs, 116 AC.

Axis units destroyed
123rd, 292nd and the 294th Infantry Divisions.
301st and the 311th StuG Brigades.
616th HeavyJagdPanzer Battalion.
9th Machine Gun Battalion.
3nd Rumanian Security Division.

Partisans
we eliminated 2, leaving 1.

German Pools
Manpower : 3
Vehicles : 180.863
Armaments : 223.400
Hiwi : 9

Current predicition
War ends in -44.

Re: Pelton's Rumanian scheme
I doubt I will be able to manage that, as I simply do not have enough units to form such a line... Might have to abandon Rumania and Hungary and take up position in the mountains...



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terje439 -> RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 (8/25/2013 10:45:58 AM)

Turn 159 aka Soviets on German soil

Overall
The first units are inside East Preussia, and the 3rd Panzer Division is cut off. Not a good turn this either. We pull back some, shuffle some troops around in the vain hope that we will manage to do as Pelton in Rumania, apart from that we cannot really do anything.
31 USSR attacks ended with 15 helds, 1 scouted and 15 retreats. Our 2 attacks both resulted in retreats.

Losses
USSR : 54.000 troops, 561 guns, 283 AFVs, 267 AC.
Axis : 32.000 troops, 532 guns, 97 AFVs, 70 AC.

German units disbanded
101st, 102nd and the 103rd RHG Commands and 1 Fortified Zone

Partisans
All 5 are gone.

German Pools
Manpower : 30.212
Vehicles : 187.928
Armaments : 257.919
Hiwi : 515



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terje439 -> RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 (8/26/2013 12:39:09 PM)

Turn 160

Overall
For the time being, I call this a good turn. Although the USSR made some advances in the south, they did not make any serious advances elsewhere. Rumania will fall in 3-5 turns I think, but I have been able to scrape together some forces and do like Pelton suggested. So, when Rumania falls, I will fall back in the south, and try to reach a line in the south. For now, we keep digging all over the place.
38 USSR attacks resulted in 9 helds, 28 retreats and 1 surrender. Our 5 attacks gave 1 held, 3 retreats and 1 rout.

Losses
USSR : 53.000 troops, 641 guns, 218 AFVs, 505 AC.
Axis : 59.000 troops, 1.038 guns, 197 AFVs, 184 AC.

German units destroyed
3rd Panzer Division, 303rd StuG Brigade, 88th and 521st Heavy JagdPanzer Battalion.

German units disbanded
12 Fortified Zones.

Partisans
All 4 are wiped out.

German Pools
Manpower : 7.338
Vehicles : 191.141
Armaments : 257.664
Hiwi : 1.294




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STEF78 -> RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 (8/26/2013 12:56:47 PM)

Another very good AAR from you Terje!

A good news, you will have less and less problems withs the partisans [;)]



terje439 -> RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 (8/26/2013 1:48:05 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: STEF78

Another very good AAR from you Terje!

A good news, you will have less and less problems withs the partisans [;)]


Thank you.
Hehe yeah, I know [:D]


Terje



Oloren -> RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 (8/26/2013 10:21:01 PM)

Pelton - Is that a map mod you are using? Looks great. If so, which one is it?

Oloren

Oh, and hang in there Terje! Get that Great Redoubt up and he'll have some trouble, for sure.



Peltonx -> RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 (8/27/2013 10:13:37 AM)

You only need to screen Romania and Hun as this will never get flipped in time to get rail lines up and running for a threat from the south.

GHC forses will get packed into a very narrow area soon at that point you do try and hold your ground.

are your units that are getting pocketed and surrendering returning to game the next turn?



terje439 -> RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 (8/27/2013 10:32:48 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Oloren

Pelton - Is that a map mod you are using? Looks great. If so, which one is it?

Oloren

Oh, and hang in there Terje! Get that Great Redoubt up and he'll have some trouble, for sure.


Well, we shall see. I really need some better units though, but we shall see [;)]


Terje



terje439 -> RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 (8/27/2013 10:33:34 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Pelton

You only need to screen Romania and Hun as this will never get flipped in time to get rail lines up and running for a threat from the south.

GHC forses will get packed into a very narrow area soon at that point you do try and hold your ground.

are your units that are getting pocketed and surrendering returning to game the next turn?



Yup, they reappear, but they take a looong time to get ready again now, but that makes sense with the lack of manpower.



Terje



terje439 -> RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 (8/27/2013 11:35:11 AM)

Turn 161 aka It does not rain, it friggin' pours

Overall
So, I felt I had things somewhat under control (as far as the Axis can ever be in control in -44), and in enters Sean...Another pocket is formed, the northern line is breeched, and I am running low on reserves pretty much everywhere. I reopened the pocket (mainly because it is close to my own forces, and it was extremely lightly held (I think Sean did not see the 4 PzDivs I had in the area), and in the north we fall back, which means Konigsberg is now a frontline city.
65 USSR attacks this turn gave a result of 23 helds, 2 scouted, 35 retreats and 5 routs (Rumanians manning the front to save German lives). We made 4 attacks, scoring 1 held (1 PzDiv+1InfDiv vs 1 PzBrig in the open...After mid -42 hasty attacks is a no go for the Axis.) and 3 retreats.

Losses
I am guessing there were some...

German units destroyed
6/46th SP Flak Company and the XXXIX Panzer Corps.

German units disbanded
3 Fortified Zones and a Rumanian division is merged with another.

Partisans
We destroy all 6.

German Pools
Manpower : 1.801
Vehicles : 193.609
Armaments : 254.229
Hiwi : 355




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