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KamilS -> RE: Micheal T (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (6/8/2013 12:34:37 PM)

T7 south (Soviet)


I bough myself turn of respite here.

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KamilS -> RE: Micheal T (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (6/8/2013 12:37:19 PM)

T7 Crimea (Soviet)


I think I am safe here at the moment.

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KamilS -> RE: Micheal T (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (6/8/2013 12:42:46 PM)

T7 OOB/casualties (Soviet)


My forces slowly recover from turn 1 onslaught.


If nothing major happens (I doubt that, my position is still critical) in 4-5 turns Red Army will be strong enough to stand its ground,


Generally speaking it was first good turn and German advance lost its momentum from a bit.

Destruction of 300 AFV improved my morale as well.

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KamilS -> RE: Micheal T (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (6/8/2013 1:03:30 PM)

T8 north - detailed (German)


Nothing major happened here.

Thing that I need to note is consistently ridiculous defensive performance of armies fighting Finns. It is not the first turns of such heroics.

I find it very wrong. It should not be like that.

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KamilS -> RE: Micheal T (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (6/8/2013 1:06:09 PM)

T8 north (German)


It seems that there won't be right hook strategy in this game. We are equally weak south of Ilmen lake.

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KamilS -> RE: Micheal T (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (6/8/2013 1:09:16 PM)

T8 centre (German)


Transitory turn.


My flanks well be endangered soon. I will have to address the threat by weakening direct Moscow approaches.

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KamilS -> RE: Micheal T (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (6/8/2013 1:10:40 PM)

T8 south (German)


Michael is consolidating his gains before next big push.

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KamilS -> RE: Micheal T (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (6/8/2013 1:37:30 PM)

T8 north (Soviet)


Counter-attack against armoured spearhead burned out my tank divisions, but I think it was well worth it.

My line is still cohesive.

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KamilS -> RE: Micheal T (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (6/8/2013 1:41:39 PM)

T8 centre (Soviet)


I do not have enough troops to defend Rzhev. On the other hand I don't think (I might be wrong) Micheal has enough panzers in Vyazma area to encircle western part of Reserve front.

Generally speaking my lines do not have depth at all. I play with fire.

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KamilS -> RE: Micheal T (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (6/8/2013 1:43:48 PM)

T8 centre/south (Soviet)


It all about petrol here.

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KamilS -> RE: Micheal T (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (6/8/2013 1:46:36 PM)

T8 south (Soviet)


Certain fact needs to be said - at the moment I do not aim to win this game, I try not to get humiliated.

That is why another half-justified retreat takes place.

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mmarquo -> RE: Micheal T (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (6/8/2013 2:23:19 PM)

Are you going to build any forts in fromt of Moscow?



KamilS -> RE: Micheal T (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (6/8/2013 2:29:46 PM)

quote:

Marquo

Are you going to build any forts in fromt of Moscow?



Fortification zones?

Unlikely.



janh -> RE: Micheal T (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (6/8/2013 3:29:03 PM)

Kamil, good work with the counterattacks around Rshev and Stalino. I was surprised that some of them worked despite the opposition. Michael must be operating a bit beyond the safe margin. How did that modified CV of yours at Leningrad come about?

Also I noted you have pretty much no air support and cover of your own in these battles? Have you pulled all squadrons back? I know they get slaughtered badly but the Luftwaffe, but they sometimes can help to reduce the interdiction and air support efficiency of the latter. I think it is worth keeping some fighters and bombers in the front. Also: do you sometimes try putting some empty airfield with front units that are likely to be isolated the coming turn, and less likely to be retreated?



bigbaba -> RE: Micheal T (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (6/8/2013 4:30:02 PM)

omg, you are toast. you are there where i am against ketza but in turn 15.:)

and he still has 9!!! clear turns to play with.

i think one must find the right balance between fighting and running away. against ketza i lost 2.3 mio. men so far (turn 15) but 470k loses resulted from my own overconfidence to try to hold the dnjepr line although he had 3 bridgeheads.:)

you will have a realy hard time to keep your loses under 3 mio. kamil.

@janh:

you are right. until now i pulled back the red air force in reserve but against ketza i put every single plane (except the I-15) into the front line units. and that made the difference in few battles. beside that even russian I-16 can shoot down german transporters and bombers on supply mission. and there are not enough luftwaffe messerschmidts to cover every bomber.



KamilS -> RE: Micheal T (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (6/8/2013 4:55:20 PM)

quote:

janh

How did that modified CV of yours at Leningrad come about?



I don't know. I haven't done anything unorthodox with troops fighting Finns.


quote:

janh

Also I noted you have pretty much no air support and cover of your own in these battles? Have you pulled all squadrons back? I know they get slaughtered badly but the Luftwaffe, but they sometimes can help to reduce the interdiction and air support efficiency of the latter. I think it is worth keeping some fighters and bombers in the front. Also: do you sometimes try putting some empty airfield with front units that are likely to be isolated the coming turn, and less likely to be retreated?




By the end of turn 5 whole air-force wss back at the front-line.

I try but I do not have empty airbases left (they were disbanded), so sometimes airbases are too far away front line to provide me with such opportunity.


quote:

bigbaba


omg, you are toast. you are there where i am against ketza but in turn 15.:)

and he still has 9!!! clear turns to play with.



Situation is critical, I agree.



mktours -> RE: Micheal T (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (6/9/2013 8:33:34 AM)

kamil,
it looks like this fancy opening has a shortcoming that the SU could disband a lot of Lvov unit in T1 to avoid huge POW lose? as the circle didn't form until T2



mktours -> RE: Micheal T (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (6/9/2013 8:58:38 AM)

in T2, when you temporarily broke the Lvov mega-pocket, why didn't you disband the units which were doomed?



timmyab -> RE: Micheal T (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (6/9/2013 10:30:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mktours

in T2, when you temporarily broke the Lvov mega-pocket, why didn't you disband the units which were doomed?

There are restrictions on disbanding units.Read 18.5.1.



mktours -> RE: Micheal T (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (6/9/2013 10:52:56 AM)

then at least SU could disband a handful of units at T1, which is the shortcoming of this opening. thanks for the info you provided
quote:

ORIGINAL: timmyab


quote:

ORIGINAL: mktours

in T2, when you temporarily broke the Lvov mega-pocket, why didn't you disband the units which were doomed?

There are restrictions on disbanding units.Read 18.5.1.




juret -> RE: Micheal T (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (6/9/2013 11:02:42 AM)

fun game this.

i hope the soviet can hold it togheter and make the game a long one.



mktours -> RE: Micheal T (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (6/9/2013 12:51:13 PM)

wow, i see it now that those Lvov units didn't have enough mp to go to the railhead to be disbanded, that really distroy the balance in the south, an evil and cheating opening and should be banded.
quote:

ORIGINAL: mktours

then at least SU could disband a handful of units at T1, which is the shortcoming of this opening. thanks for the info you provided
quote:

ORIGINAL: timmyab


quote:

ORIGINAL: mktours

in T2, when you temporarily broke the Lvov mega-pocket, why didn't you disband the units which were doomed?

There are restrictions on disbanding units.Read 18.5.1.






Flaviusx -> RE: Micheal T (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (6/9/2013 2:42:41 PM)

Disbanding these units is a bad idea anyways, as it will permanently remove free replacements. That's going to amount to a lot of APs.

Kamil is screwed. I've said this before and I'll stay it again: playing Michael with his preferred house rules and without random weather is for suckers. There's nothing in the world stopping him from doing this opening every time. He is all about leveraging the surprise turn, gaming supply and creating a basically irrecoverable situation in the first dozen or so turns. He wants to end games in 41 or very shortly into 42 and sets things up accordingly. Yet he still finds people willing to play under these conditions. It is amazing to me.




carlkay58 -> RE: Micheal T (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (6/9/2013 3:15:58 PM)

Yep, MT is DEFINITELY guilty of playing the Axis as the Axis wished reality to be!



mktours -> RE: Micheal T (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (6/9/2013 5:16:56 PM)

the free replacement is nothing at the early stage since there are too many of them and they drain the replacement and each unit is very low equipped. so if being allowed, i would prefer disbanding the highly equipped units if doom to lose them, that is worth it, just thinking about saving a significant number of would be POW and equipment.

btw, who is the man of your photo?
quote:

ORIGINAL: Flaviusx

Disbanding these units is a bad idea anyways, as it will permanently remove free replacements. That's going to amount to a lot of APs.

Kamil is screwed. I've said this before and I'll stay it again: playing Michael with his preferred house rules and without random weather is for suckers. There's nothing in the world stopping him from doing this opening every time. He is all about leveraging the surprise turn, gaming supply and creating a basically irrecoverable situation in the first dozen or so turns. He wants to end games in 41 or very shortly into 42 and sets things up accordingly. Yet he still finds people willing to play under these conditions. It is amazing to me.





mktours -> RE: Micheal T (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (6/10/2013 9:01:02 AM)

i have to say i am a novice here and i am very likely to be wrong[:)]
quote:

ORIGINAL: mktours

the free replacement is nothing at the early stage since there are too many of them and they drain the replacement and each unit is very low equipped. so if being allowed, i would prefer disbanding the highly equipped units if doom to lose them, that is worth it, just thinking about saving a significant number of would be POW and equipment.

btw, who is the man of your photo?
quote:

ORIGINAL: Flaviusx

Disbanding these units is a bad idea anyways, as it will permanently remove free replacements. That's going to amount to a lot of APs.

Kamil is screwed. I've said this before and I'll stay it again: playing Michael with his preferred house rules and without random weather is for suckers. There's nothing in the world stopping him from doing this opening every time. He is all about leveraging the surprise turn, gaming supply and creating a basically irrecoverable situation in the first dozen or so turns. He wants to end games in 41 or very shortly into 42 and sets things up accordingly. Yet he still finds people willing to play under these conditions. It is amazing to me.







KamilS -> RE: Micheal T (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (6/15/2013 12:19:56 PM)

T9 north (German)


Intensive fighting continue to take place in Leningrad area.

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KamilS -> RE: Micheal T (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (6/15/2013 12:22:05 PM)

T9 Moscow (German)


It seems there won't be direct assault on Moscow at the moment.

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KamilS -> RE: Micheal T (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (6/15/2013 12:23:23 PM)

T9 centre/south (German)


Crazy situation south of Moscow. To be honest in short therm it suits me.

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KamilS -> RE: Micheal T (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (6/15/2013 12:25:07 PM)

T9 south (Germany)


Chances of holding Rostov are very small.

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