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larryfulkerson -> RE: Field Marshal von Fogger vs Comrade Marshal Fulkerson (9/8/2013 7:40:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Telumar
Ha! That's the spirit. Wear the Axis forces down where ever you can.

Yeah, yeah. Wear them down. They are at the end of a long supply chain and are probably cherry red, at least some of them, and I'm
thinking I can probably finally maybe set up some kind of stable front line somewhere but then on the other hand, it looks like John is
forcing his way through the tiny pass to the West of Leningrad and I'll have to try to build another section of front line really quickly.
Having said that, I'm still cautiously optimistic. I may have to concede Leningrad to have enough troops handy to hang onto what I
have left. I'd hate to lose the 5% or so in production etc. by losing Leningrad but I have to be realistic about what's about to happen
there. We're going to make the Axis fight for it however.

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ORIGINAL: Telumar
Also, you should conserve your IL-4s if possible. They're a very valuable asset, but with low production rate. Maybe use them later when the Air Shock ratio will be less severe.

That's a great idea. I keep looking for low-cost targets like bridge busting. To attack something else would probably need fighter
escort and I have them busy doing sweeps right now. Until the air over the battlefield has less Axis fighters in it I probably don't need
to go looking for trouble. My losses are high but not catastrophic yet. And I'm hoping John is suffering losses too.

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ORIGINAL: Telumar
But who am i to lecture Larry Fulkerson on FitE

Hey I don't claim to be an expert on anything. I have yet to win a PBEM FITE game. I just tend to post a lot. I need all the advice
you can send my way. Oh, and to make it fair post stuff that John can profit from too.

Here's a new turn front lines.........the northern part of the front lines:

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Field Marshal von Fogger vs Comrade Marshal Fulkerson (9/8/2013 7:44:09 AM)

No major drama in the middle:

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Field Marshal von Fogger vs Comrade Marshal Fulkerson (9/8/2013 7:49:42 AM)

Here's where all the major drama is going on: the Kiev area down to Odessa. John is pushing hard to get across the river(s) and into
my rear areas. The Stalin Line is hanging in there only in the northern part and John and I are in negotiations about the river(s) as you
drive to the east. I have a lot of the crossings covered so far but as we have seen in the past, John's units can leap across rivers with
ease. And I've got only so many defenders at the river yet. So here we have another race to the river going on. Only if I get there first
can I win this war. It's that important.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Field Marshal von Fogger vs Comrade Marshal Fulkerson (9/8/2013 11:46:22 AM)

Here's how the air war is going right now:

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Field Marshal von Fogger vs Comrade Marshal Fulkerson (9/8/2013 1:11:33 PM)

Okay so after I moved everybody I clicked on the end turn button to start the combats and the first one was me hitting the bridge at
Konigsburg..............I think I may have busted the bridge there for the cost of just 3 bombers. Least costly mission yet.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Field Marshal von Fogger vs Comrade Marshal Fulkerson (9/8/2013 1:22:15 PM)

I found a place in the front lines where I could do a flank attack and gave it a shot. Might take the edge off some of the Axis blade.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Field Marshal von Fogger vs Comrade Marshal Fulkerson (9/9/2013 9:18:42 AM)

This is the Odessa area. At Odessa the city itself the Romanians have lined up to contest the city and I'm bombarding them w/ arty and
a couple of ships. The losses aren't heavy but strangely it's satisfying to do that.

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Petey -> RE: Field Marshal von Fogger vs Comrade Marshal Fulkerson (9/10/2013 3:53:34 PM)

Larry: The Odessa and points East area is looking better than I remember. How long do you think you can hold? It seems the Axis drive has slowed down, even with the landings at the port East of Odessa.



larryfulkerson -> RE: Field Marshal von Fogger vs Comrade Marshal Fulkerson (9/10/2013 7:18:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Petey
Larry: The Odessa and points East area is looking better than I remember.

I moved a bunch of units via boat and moved some ships from Sevastapol to Odessa just to
bombard the Romanians. I've got a bunch of arty at Odessa and I'm guessing that losses
will be high for the Axis attacks.

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ORIGINAL: Petey
How long do you think you can hold?

I'm guessing that Odessa can hold out about a month or so. That's about 8 turns or so.
Whatever I say is probably going to be wrong because I really don't have a clue.

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ORIGINAL: Petey
It seems the Axis drive has slowed down, even with the landings at the port East of Odessa.

The Axis drive HAS slowed down in the south but in the middle I'm still scrambling to
provide enouth units to make a front line. John is already threatening to leap across
the river and drive into my rear areas. It's still exciting in the middle. Down south
the Axis drive has stalled and I'm feeling really good about my situation there.



fogger -> RE: Field Marshal von Fogger vs Comrade Marshal Fulkerson (9/10/2013 9:25:45 PM)

The lull before the storm. Threatening? I jumped two rivers this turn which is about 50% completed. Hope to finish later to day



fogger -> RE: Field Marshal von Fogger vs Comrade Marshal Fulkerson (9/11/2013 2:48:25 AM)

I think airfields do provide supply. This is after I dropped an airborne div to capture a bridge and airfield and then dropped a comdo unit to capture another airfield. As can be seen they do provide supply

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fogger -> RE: Field Marshal von Fogger vs Comrade Marshal Fulkerson (9/11/2013 2:55:14 AM)

On the southern end of the centre I am now across the the river and depending upon what units larry can ship in in a hurry I will now be able to start turning his line.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Field Marshal von Fogger vs Comrade Marshal Fulkerson (9/11/2013 3:17:38 AM)

Another turn another picture. This is the Leningrad area now. John has been making some progress in the narrow gap area. He's
pushing his units through there. And he's made some progress in the Smolensk area too. I'm thinking I'm going to have to cut my
losses and sacrafice Leningrad so I can defend Moscow better. What do you guys think?

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Field Marshal von Fogger vs Comrade Marshal Fulkerson (9/11/2013 3:20:40 AM)

Here's the Smolensk area now:

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Petey -> RE: Field Marshal von Fogger vs Comrade Marshal Fulkerson (9/11/2013 3:27:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

Another turn another picture. This is the Leningrad area now. John has been making some progress in the narrow gap area. He's
pushing his units through there. And he's made some progress in the Smolensk area too. I'm thinking I'm going to have to cut my
losses and sacrafice Leningrad so I can defend Moscow better. What do you guys think?

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Do you think its that bad to give up L-grad this early?



larryfulkerson -> RE: Field Marshal von Fogger vs Comrade Marshal Fulkerson (9/11/2013 3:27:31 AM)

Here's the Kiev to Odessa area. The Stalin Line is causing the hold up of multiple divisions and I'm blocking most of the river crossings
and it looks like I might get to the Dnepr river before John but just getting there doesn't guarantee that all is well. I need to gather a
bunch of troops to block the spearhead on the east side of the river because I sure can't stop John from getting across the river.
Odessa will probably hold out about 8 turns or so......a month game time.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Field Marshal von Fogger vs Comrade Marshal Fulkerson (9/11/2013 3:35:28 AM)

Here's a closeup of the narrow gap area near Leningrad. John is having no problem pushing his units through this area and in a turn or
two will be past there and on his way across the river Narva. I've railed all a lot of people into this area but it's not enough and the
problem is that John is making great gains in other places and those other places are more important than Leningrad. Not that L. isn't
important. I'll try to hang onto it as long as I can.

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Petey -> RE: Field Marshal von Fogger vs Comrade Marshal Fulkerson (9/11/2013 3:38:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: fogger

I think airfields do provide supply. This is after I dropped an airborne div to capture a bridge and airfield and then dropped a comdo unit to capture another airfield. As can be seen they do provide supply

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Have to give John credit for a lot of unconventual moves so far in this game




larryfulkerson -> RE: Field Marshal von Fogger vs Comrade Marshal Fulkerson (9/11/2013 3:39:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Petey
quote:

ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson
Another turn another picture. This is the Leningrad area now. John has been making some progress in the narrow
gap area. He's pushing his units through there. And he's made some progress in the Smolensk area too. I'm
thinking I'm going to have to cut my losses and sacrafice Leningrad so I can defend Moscow better.
What do you guys think?

Do you think its that bad to give up L-grad this early?

Yeah, that's the question on everybody's mind right now. Give up Lgrad or not. I'm genually flommoxed about whether or not and
what's the best thing to do. John is making great gains down south and as bad as I need the people up here in the Lgrad area I need
people in other places too. I've got the rail cap, the problem is the shortage of units to ship around. I'm getting them a handfull at a time
now. The initial surge is mostly over and now I'm shipping late arriving units to the front lines. I'll post something to show you what I
mean.



larryfulkerson -> RE: Field Marshal von Fogger vs Comrade Marshal Fulkerson (9/11/2013 3:44:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Petey
Have to give John credit for a lot of unconventual moves so far in this game

I know. It's great. I'm having a blast even though I'm losing so far.

Here's an example of what I'm talking about. In turn 16 there's only a relative handful of units compared w/ the tons of
stuff that's due to arrive in T17. And T18 has another large haul. It's only until then that the real reserves will arrive. And
I'm going to have to decide where to ship them pretty soon now because they are needed in several priority spots. They will
probably be employed as soon as they can get off the train.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Field Marshal von Fogger vs Comrade Marshal Fulkerson (9/11/2013 4:05:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: fogger
On the southern end of the centre I am now across the the river and depending upon what units larry can ship in in a hurry I will now be able to start turning his line.

This is the area where John was talking about rolling up my lines. He can do that easily because the entire Bryansk area is wide open.
I need to ship a boat-load of troops into that area to provide some blocking in front of Moscow, not just to prevent John from rolling up
my lines. I can't imagine why I let this get this critical this early. It's probably because John is advancing way faster than I had planned.
In WITE I would be railing the industry out of Leningrad to the Urals.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Field Marshal von Fogger vs Comrade Marshal Fulkerson (9/11/2013 9:19:23 AM)

John has employed his paratroopers. I've found an element of the FJ ( paratroopers ) division and I have reason to believe that the
entire division is landed behind my lines and I've got a new threat to deal with. From where they are now, on airports and everything,
that they can reach just about anywhere on the map that's important. I remember we have a house rule about dropping w/in 10 hexes
of a friendly land combat unit but I don't remember if we are observing that rule or not.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Field Marshal von Fogger vs Comrade Marshal Fulkerson (9/11/2013 9:28:09 AM)

I moved the 91st NKVD unit and discovered the rest of the FJ division and some Burgermisters on the airport.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Field Marshal von Fogger vs Comrade Marshal Fulkerson (9/11/2013 10:00:25 AM)

Here's some of the losses so far:

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Field Marshal von Fogger vs Comrade Marshal Fulkerson (9/11/2013 10:02:44 AM)

Here's how the air war is going now:

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Field Marshal von Fogger vs Comrade Marshal Fulkerson (9/11/2013 10:19:20 AM)

Here's a new look at the Bryansk area now that I've railed in a bunch of blockers. They will be combat ready next turn and then I'll have
a little insurance against Axis breakthroughs.

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fogger -> RE: Field Marshal von Fogger vs Comrade Marshal Fulkerson (9/11/2013 1:34:20 PM)

The FJ Div was 6 hexs from the lead elements of the 4th Panzer when I dropped them. Refer to my post above about the supply from airfields.



larryfulkerson -> RE: Field Marshal von Fogger vs Comrade Marshal Fulkerson (9/11/2013 2:26:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: fogger
The FJ Div was 6 hexs from the lead elements of the 4th Panzer when I dropped them. Refer to my post above about the supply from airfields.

Thanks John. That's good enough for me.



Telumar -> RE: Field Marshal von Fogger vs Comrade Marshal Fulkerson (9/11/2013 4:21:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: fogger

I think airfields do provide supply. This is after I dropped an airborne div to capture a bridge and airfield and then dropped a comdo unit to capture another airfield. As can be seen they do provide supply




Once more: Airfields do NOT provide supply. There is a "hole" in the enemy ZOCs where your land based supply can pass through.

You have an armored engineer unit bridging the major river three hexes SW of Dobrinskaja. That's where the Fallschirmjäger units draw supply from. If you haved moved the engineers onto that hex after the para drop, then i would suspect the supply/communications path to be further north, looks pretty empty up there, though i don't have the entire intel.



Telumar -> RE: Field Marshal von Fogger vs Comrade Marshal Fulkerson (9/11/2013 4:26:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Petey
quote:

ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson
Another turn another picture. This is the Leningrad area now. John has been making some progress in the narrow
gap area. He's pushing his units through there. And he's made some progress in the Smolensk area too. I'm
thinking I'm going to have to cut my losses and sacrafice Leningrad so I can defend Moscow better.
What do you guys think?

Do you think its that bad to give up L-grad this early?

Yeah, that's the question on everybody's mind right now. Give up Lgrad or not. I'm genually flommoxed about whether or not and
what's the best thing to do. John is making great gains down south and as bad as I need the people up here in the Lgrad area I need
people in other places too. I've got the rail cap, the problem is the shortage of units to ship around. I'm getting them a handfull at a time
now. The initial surge is mostly over and now I'm shipping late arriving units to the front lines. I'll post something to show you what I
mean.


The best thing to do is to fight for that city. Dig in and dig in deep. It's 10% production iirc and it's an entry point for reinforcements. Terrain is very favorable for defence, there are fortifications around the city and you don't want AG North be reinforced by the Finnish army or see them cross the Svir river, because that's what happens when Leningrad falls.

EDIT: Also consider, as terrain in that area favours defence, that if you give up the city, you might want to re-conquer it one day which will be much more difficult for you than for the Germans.



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