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Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (8/5/2014 3:06:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreyJoy To be honest, who cares about the replacement pools? I look forward to drain those pools to zero so to may be able to draw into training units pilots with 10/20 exp points instead of the damned 50 exp points pilots. A pilot who has 10 exp trains MUCH faster in a particular skill than a pilot who has finished its school program. Also, when you use the expanded float planes group to train fighters, those 50 exp replacements arrive with 30/50 skill in Nav Search, which makes much much slower the process of training the A2A skill up to 70 Scenario 1 base so replacement pool pilots have about 35 experience. I still see your point about having even less experienced pilots. For the float planes, draw first into a fighter unit then send them straight to reserve and then draw them from there into the float plane group instead of drawing them direct from the replacement pool. That way they come in with air and defense skills rather than patrol type skills.

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (8/5/2014 3:21:25 PM)
quote: That is a total of 11.000 fighters that were never used as kamikazi. Now, I'm not saying you will lose 11.000 pilots, but you will burn through 1000 pilots long before you can burn 11.000 fighters 11,000 aircraft lost in air-air. That is probably about 7000 pilots lost over 42 months. So that is about 170 a month. Half and half IJN and IJA amounts to maybe 100 IJA fighter pilots lost per month (including those lost from ops losses). So if I am getting 120 trained a month I am fine, except that the losses are weighted to later in the war so I need more of a reserve. Hence need more fighter training for the IJA. I also have all groups over-staffed which gives me a sizable pool of pilots for emergencies. For example, groups on ASW, generally the limit for ops percentage is not pilot fatigue but airframe fatigue. Less so with fighters were pilot fatigue can build quicker than airframe fatigue.

setloz -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (8/5/2014 3:30:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Spidery For the float planes, draw first into a fighter unit then send them straight to reserve and then draw them from there into the float plane group instead of drawing them direct from the replacement pool. That way they come in with air and defense skills rather than patrol type skills. Great tip! Thanks! I didn't think about that option.

FeurerKrieg -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (8/5/2014 8:40:12 PM)
quote: For the float planes, draw first into a fighter unit then send them straight to reserve and then draw them from there into the float plane group instead of drawing them direct from the replacement pool. That way they come in with air and defense skills rather than patrol type skills. Excellent. Why didn't I think of that? Thanks, Spidery!

obvert -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (8/5/2014 9:52:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Spidery quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe Is Tracom pretty heavily staffed? Otherwise, I agree and think you may be in trouble here. Obvert may have used 17000 pilots but how many of those were Kamikaze pilots with just LowN training? Not very many. Most of the kami pilots were ones I'd trained in either IJA 1E/2E bombers with multiple skills, usually ASW/lownaval, or they were from FP training, sometimes sweep/lownaval to be used in fighters, or ASW/search/low naval in FP. By the last years I was training a lot of low naval only pilots, but I tended to use the better exp pilots first, so probably 60-70% of kami pilots had 50+ exp., some very high for the IJA 2E as I had so many good trained land bombing pilots that dual trained later for low naval. IJAAF fighter training after 43 was also escort/low naval to get the Oscars some good attack pilots. Not that they ever did anything in Oscars, mind you, but at least it was an option. [:)] After mid-43 I rarely used the IJAAF 2E for anything except training and ASW. A few had offensive field/ground bombing missions during certain periods, but I didn't really have much luck sweeping after a certain point, so offensive missions were scarce.

Lowpe -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (8/5/2014 10:40:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert Not very many. Most of the kami pilots were ones I'd trained in either IJA 1E/2E bombers with multiple skills, usually ASW/lownaval, or they were from FP training, sometimes sweep/lownaval to be used in fighters, or ASW/search/low naval in FP. Thanks Obvert, a helpful post.[&o] Can I get you to talk a little about Kamikazes? How did you train, what experience level did you use? It seems like you used almost whatever was at hand? Attack settings? Favorite Planes? Planes you wish you had? How many did you have? Many thanks. EDIT: Ooops, I am hijacking the AAR -- apologies.

obvert -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (8/5/2014 11:58:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe quote: ORIGINAL: obvert Not very many. Most of the kami pilots were ones I'd trained in either IJA 1E/2E bombers with multiple skills, usually ASW/lownaval, or they were from FP training, sometimes sweep/lownaval to be used in fighters, or ASW/search/low naval in FP. Thanks Obvert, a helpful post.[&o] Can I get you to talk a little about Kamikazes? How did you train, what experience level did you use? It seems like you used almost whatever was at hand? Attack settings? Favorite Planes? Planes you wish you had? How many did you have? Many thanks. EDIT: Ooops, I am hijacking the AAR -- apologies. Talking about kamis is never hijacking a Japanese AAR! [:D] For me kamis worked best as part of a larger strike mission. Usually there would also be DB and TB flying. That's not to say they can't work on their own. I also had many successful smaller strikes with kamis. Training for them is just low naval, so anything that uses it already is good. I trained low naval exclusively with the gazillions of training groups that arrive in 45, and that pushed numbers way up near the end. Some of them are 100+ sized groups and can train low naval pilots to 70 skill in just over a month! [&o] Ideally a kami pilot would be 50+exp/70 low naval. That's it. A lot of mine had good defensive ratings due to their other training though, so that may help get them through. Kami groups will not convert if the pilots are 50+ exp so you have to do a lot of shifting pilots around. A LOT. Imagine 500 planes lost in a strike, and then you have to fill all of those groups with planes and pilots again. Then do it again in a few weeks. Several airframe attributes help kamis get through. First is speed. Second is durability. Third is armor. Fourth is maneuver. Many players focus on biggest load, and this is important (see D4Y4 [:)]) or swarms of low value planes, but it has to get there first. With the lack of coordination introduced in the betas the kami mission became more realistic and less easily handled. Harder to just through out 300 Oscars with 200 escorts as players did years back very successfully. (Also important is range, not to get them through but to get them into the right spots to make a strike, which often means a distant transfer or a LR strike away from known CAP). The best kami planes for me we as follows. 1. Grace - best for DB and TB also. Fast, maneuverable, sadly no armor. Not as big a load, but it hits often. 2. Peggy - fast, more durable, armored and with decent load. 3. Judy D4Y4/D4Y3 - fast, big load! 4. Frances - fast, durable, the only downside is load. 5. Jill - not as fast, but decent, good range. 6. Tsurugi - BIG LOAD, fast, short range, unmaneuverable, extremely low durability and no armor. 7. Any IJA 2E, preferably with armor 8. Any fighter with 2 x 250kg bombs I had great hopes of using swarms of Oscars ala Captain Cruft, but that didn't really happen. Had a few work, but they ust don't fly as often as dedicated strike planes and they're really fragile. If I'd had hundreds of Tsurugi that would have been great, but mostly as last chance invasion stoppers close to shore. There is a lot more in my AAR including the airframe numbers in July 45 when the game ended if you want to have a look. This post might be interesting for you. http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=3567070

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (8/6/2014 6:52:06 AM)
quote: EDIT: Ooops, I am hijacking the AAR -- apologies. No need to apologise, it is all good stuff.

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (8/6/2014 7:02:01 AM)
quote: IJAAF fighter training after 43 was also escort/low naval to get the Oscars some good attack pilots. Not that they ever did anything in Oscars, mind you, but at least it was an option. After mid-43 I rarely used the IJAAF 2E for anything except training and ASW. A few had offensive field/ground bombing missions during certain periods, but I didn't really have much luck sweeping after a certain point, so offensive missions were scarce. obvert, thank-you for the information. My fighter training is now escort/low naval but I may do some escort/ground bomb because high altitude bombing runs are interesting. I have had some limited success with the Ki-45 KAIa on low nav attack. I have more or less abandoned use of IJA 2E bombers in the offensive role. They just can't cope with Allied flak and don't have enough bomb load to do much damage. I have a big pool of ground bombing trained pilots available so if they do get an opportunity I may take it. I also want to get some low Nav trained bomber pilots because I may try the Helen in that role on occasions.

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (8/6/2014 7:07:28 AM)
quote: 1. Grace - best for DB and TB also. Fast, maneuverable, sadly no armor. Not as big a load, but it hits often. 2. Peggy - fast, more durable, armored and with decent load. 3. Judy D4Y4/D4Y3 - fast, big load! 4. Frances - fast, durable, the only downside is load. 5. Jill - not as fast, but decent, good range. 6. Tsurugi - BIG LOAD, fast, short range, unmaneuverable, extremely low durability and no armor. 7. Any IJA 2E, preferably with armor 8. Any fighter with 2 x 250kg bombs Was that the first or the second Tsurugi? I hope to have the second one deployed in numbers early 1945 (about 400 available in January) and was looking for its 385 mph speed to get it through in deadly force.

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (8/6/2014 7:19:09 AM)
Seems that Allied 4E are quite destructive of Japanese day fighters on night CAP. The H8K2 bristles with as much defensive armament as the Allied 4E. It can fly higher than current Allied flak (except for the 90mm). Anyone tried using it on high altitude night raids? Trouble is there is too much else for it to do!

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (8/6/2014 7:20:18 AM)
March 22nd 1943 Air Losses: 0 Japanese, 3 Allied, 0 Pilots Japanese occupy: Allies occupy: Japanese land at: Allies land at: Subs I-176 misses a shot at CL Cleveland in the Marshalls and takes 17 system damage so will return to base. Marshalls Liberators only hit Maloelap and the CV planes hit Maleolap again. Supply is gone and the AA at Maloelap will fall silent next turn which, I expect, will be the trigger for a landing. Solomons, etc. Quiet An Allied sub is spotted in Kavieng hex - is it dropping mines? Burma area Quiet China Finished off the Chinese near Tienshui. They had been starving for a long time and collapsed quickly. There are now 5 Chinese groups left. Australia & DEI Quiet Engineering Allies expand Torokina airfield to 1, creeping forward in the Solomons. R&D Another Ki-84a factory is fully repaired, now have 3, expect to have this middle of May so have the first units upgraded by end of May. The Ki-84r should be available by the end of 1943. Reinforcements E Matsuwa

setloz -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (8/6/2014 7:30:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Spidery Seems that Allied 4E are quite destructive of Japanese day fighters on night CAP. The H8K2 bristles with as much defensive armament as the Allied 4E. It can fly higher than current Allied flak (except for the 90mm). Anyone tried using it on high altitude night raids? Trouble is there is too much else for it to do! I've never had enough groups that could field these babies! When put to choose, I always chose to use them as long range search....having eyes in the vast ocean is just too darn important.

obvert -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (8/6/2014 8:00:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Spidery quote: 1. Grace - best for DB and TB also. Fast, maneuverable, sadly no armor. Not as big a load, but it hits often. 2. Peggy - fast, more durable, armored and with decent load. 3. Judy D4Y4/D4Y3 - fast, big load! 4. Frances - fast, durable, the only downside is load. 5. Jill - not as fast, but decent, good range. 6. Tsurugi - BIG LOAD, fast, short range, unmaneuverable, extremely low durability and no armor. 7. Any IJA 2E, preferably with armor 8. Any fighter with 2 x 250kg bombs Was that the first or the second Tsurugi? I hope to have the second one deployed in numbers early 1945 (about 400 available in January) and was looking for its 385 mph speed to get it through in deadly force. The one I was using was the first, so yes, this would be a better option, although it's just a bit short ranged for the endgame. Still, the bomb load combined with the speed makes it tough in close. In early 45 that should be really useful!

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (8/6/2014 10:39:29 AM)
March 23rd 1943 Air Losses: 0 Japanese, 3 Allied, 0 Pilots Japanese occupy: Allies occupy: Japanese land at: Allies land at: Allied loses 3 aircraft as day losses but total Allied air losses goes up by 8. That suggests he has lost 5 planes transferring between bases. Where is he redeploying to? DD Cassin appears on the sunk list at 134, 113 as sunk by a mine. She took a mine hit during the landing at Kwajalein Island so I expect this is a false claim and she has just left port to head to Pearl for repairs. Will try an intercept. Subs In the Marshalls, I-154 elects not to launch at an ACM. Later RO-66 does launch and sinks ACM Camanche (4 VP, every little helps[;)]!). SS Haddock sinks a PB between the Bonins and Mariannas. Annoyingly, this reveals a large resupply convoy heading for Rabaul[:(]. SS Porpoise scores a hit on a Yusen-N class AK heading back empty from Rabaul. Damage at 13/43/0/2 shouldn't prevent her reaching Babeldoab for some repairs. But Japanese damage control, that tiny fire could bloom into a massive fireball[:(]. I-166 is subject to 10 separate ASW attacks from carrier aircraft and at 45/15/9 damage is limping homeward. There are two Allied subs operating in the deep waters West of Nagasaki. I have 5 ASW task forces hunting them, two Sentai of Helens and about 60 Jakes on air search and I still can't get an attack! Marshalls Liberators hit Maloelap and the absence of any flak is a clear indication that supply has run out. Solomons, etc. Quiet Burma area Quiet China Quiet Australia & DEI Quiet Engineering Quiet R&D Quiet Reinforcements E Oki

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (8/6/2014 12:16:00 PM)
March 24th 1943 Air Losses: 2 Japanese, 1 Allied, 1 Pilots Japanese occupy: Allies occupy: Japanese land at: Allies land at: Subs I-20 sinks CM Weehawken between Pearl and the Marshalls (another 4 VP!) I was spot on with DD Cassin but RO-66 misses. I-18 and I-31 are both crippled by air attack from CV planes, both are in a bad way. However, I'm still going to keep subs hunting in the area as the chance of an attack on a CV is worth it. Lots of inconclusive engagements between ASW forces and subs on both sides. Marshalls Quiet, apart from all the ASW to sub action. Solomons, etc. Quiet Burma area Stopped bombardment at Warazup to fix some disruption and fatigue and to wait for another 300 barrels to arrive. China Quiet Australia & DEI Quiet Engineering Shimushiri-Jima forts to 4, no reason to stop there. R&D The D4Y4 will be available in 7 days. I need to decide how many to produce. It is so much better than the Val that I will replace all Vals, except in training groups, as fast as possible. At the moment I have about 180 dive bombers (some D4Y1) on carriers. LBA dive bomber units are mostly on training but I have some 30 or so deployed around Rabaul. The training groups also are the main force that would move to repel a landing in the Kuriles so I will probably want them upgraded as well. Obvert seems to have been producing about 180 at the end of his game. Probably because they are such good kamikazes. An initial run of 150 sounds good and will produce a nice reserve. I'll plan on keeping 3 factories in production and expanded to 50 and moving two to R&D something else: night fighter or late war aircraft. Reinforcements Quiet Economy It was the supply fairy day. Managed to get 5000 supply into Burma but not enough to take Katha and Myitkyna out of the yellow. Just noticed that oil is flowing into Burma[:@]. Despite there being 271 wells feeding 291 refineries, in the last 20 days oil has gone up by 4000. 82000 supply at Hankow and 415000 at Port Arthur. Any suggestions as to how to get supply to flow to Burma? Have tried setting a demand at Tsuyung and Paoshan and then releasing it on the days supply moves long distance.

Lowpe -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (8/6/2014 2:13:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Spidery Seems that Allied 4E are quite destructive of Japanese day fighters on night CAP. The H8K2 bristles with as much defensive armament as the Allied 4E. It can fly higher than current Allied flak (except for the 90mm). Anyone tried using it on high altitude night raids? Trouble is there is too much else for it to do! I started training them for this role, but unfortunately had to stop it so I could use the frames for something else! I plan on getting back shortly.

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (8/6/2014 2:51:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe quote: ORIGINAL: Spidery Seems that Allied 4E are quite destructive of Japanese day fighters on night CAP. The H8K2 bristles with as much defensive armament as the Allied 4E. It can fly higher than current Allied flak (except for the 90mm). Anyone tried using it on high altitude night raids? Trouble is there is too much else for it to do! I started training them for this role, but unfortunately had to stop it so I could use the frames for something else! I plan on getting back shortly. Why do you need to train them for the role? As long as you have some ground bombing trained IJN pilots they can transfer over to the Emily. I may give it a go, I only have 51 of the aircraft active. However, I do have a group keeping watch on the Western approach to Darwin that could as effectively be replaced by Nells. Where would be a good target, Lunga is a possible, or Ledo.

rook749 -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (8/6/2014 4:09:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: setloz quote: ORIGINAL: Spidery For the float planes, draw first into a fighter unit then send them straight to reserve and then draw them from there into the float plane group instead of drawing them direct from the replacement pool. That way they come in with air and defense skills rather than patrol type skills. Great tip! Thanks! I didn't think about that option. Wow this is a good idea....

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (8/6/2014 4:41:52 PM)
Latest predicted arrival dates Dates are the nearest month start, on average expectations Night Fighters 09/43 J1N1-S 12/43 A6M5d-S 06/44 P1Y2-S 01/44 Ki-45 KAId 02/44 Ki-46-III KAI 01/45 Ki-102c Fighters 05/43 A6M5b and A6M5c 12/43 N1K2-J 07/44 A7M2 01/45 J7W1 06/43 Ki-84a 06/43 Ki-43-IIIa 06/43 Ki-43-IV 12/43 Ki-84r 09/44 Ki-83 12/44 Ki-94-II Other 04/43 D4Y4 01/44 B7A2 01/44 P1Y2 06/44 M6A1 03/45 Toka 07/44 Ki-74-I 11/44 Ki-115b

FeurerKrieg -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (8/6/2014 8:17:28 PM)
Where's the Ki-201?

Lowpe -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (8/6/2014 9:22:41 PM)
I just have to think that the air war will definitely swing your way...at least over land.

Lowpe -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (8/6/2014 9:28:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Spidery Why do you need to train them for the role? As long as you have some ground bombing trained IJN pilots they can transfer over to the Emily. I may give it a go, I only have 51 of the aircraft active. However, I do have a group keeping watch on the Western approach to Darwin that could as effectively be replaced by Nells. Where would be a good target, Lunga is a possible, or Ledo. I wanted to keep their other skills as well.

Lowpe -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (8/6/2014 9:50:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Spidery There are two Allied subs operating in the deep waters West of Nagasaki. I have 5 ASW task forces hunting them, two Sentai of Helens and about 60 Jakes on air search and I still can't get an attack! Are any destroyers?

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (8/6/2014 10:29:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Feurer Krieg Where's the Ki-201? I am not researching jet or rocket engines or jet or rocket aircraft so they will arrive at historic time and probably not be built. I didn't consider it practical to get the Ki-201 early enough. To get the engine early enough to get engine bonus would have meant sacrificing engine bonus on other aircraft.

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (8/6/2014 10:54:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe quote: ORIGINAL: Spidery There are two Allied subs operating in the deep waters West of Nagasaki. I have 5 ASW task forces hunting them, two Sentai of Helens and about 60 Jakes on air search and I still can't get an attack! Are any destroyers? No but there are some E that were converted from Wakatake class DD so have experience up in the 70 or so. Some other task forces could do with better commanders. Most of the DD that have Type 2 DC only carry 2 of them with 6 ammo. Only the Kagero and Akitsuki have 4 and the Akitsuki have radar so are covering the carriers.

FeurerKrieg -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (8/6/2014 10:55:41 PM)
You are probably right, but I've made a go of it. I have some engine factories on the jet engine and as some of my early R&D factories have become available I've switched them to the 201. I have nothing on the rockets though and they will not ever be produced even if I survive to reach the historical availability date. We'll see what happens!

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (8/6/2014 10:57:50 PM)
March 25th 1943 Air Losses: 2 Japanese, 1 Allied, 0 Pilots Japanese occupy: Allies occupy: Japanese land at: Allies land at: Subs I-18 and I-31 are lost to the damage taken last turn. I should have scuttled them or tried for a port at Jaluit or Mili. RO-66 takes a shot at an SC escorting DD Cassin and suffers 12/17/0 damage in the counter-attack. I-20 misses a shot at CM Salem. A supply task force heading for Truk encounters two sub attacks near Chichi-Jima, no damage. ASW forces near Truk put minor damage on SS Harder and SS Tautog. 5 subs are detected near Rabaul, 3 near Truk, 3 near the Bonins. Need to move some ASW assets Marshalls Liberators hit Maloelap again. I have lost sight of the Allied CVs and there is no detection over any of my subs. Allied minesweepers have arrived at and clear the minefield at Kwajalein Island. Solomons, etc. Quiet Burma area Quiet, supply situation is getting worse. China Quiet Australia & DEI Quiet Engineering Chungking airfield to 8 (+400 VP), Dadjangas airfield to 2, Guam forts to 5. R&D Ki-43-IV to 10/43, Ki-43-IIIa to 9/43. Reinforcements SS I-177, SC Ch 40.

Lowpe -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (8/6/2014 11:00:56 PM)
What is your troop strength in Burma now?

mind_messing -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (8/6/2014 11:33:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe quote: ORIGINAL: obvert Not very many. Most of the kami pilots were ones I'd trained in either IJA 1E/2E bombers with multiple skills, usually ASW/lownaval, or they were from FP training, sometimes sweep/lownaval to be used in fighters, or ASW/search/low naval in FP. Thanks Obvert, a helpful post.[&o] Can I get you to talk a little about Kamikazes? How did you train, what experience level did you use? It seems like you used almost whatever was at hand? Attack settings? Favorite Planes? Planes you wish you had? How many did you have? Many thanks. EDIT: Ooops, I am hijacking the AAR -- apologies. Talking about kamis is never hijacking a Japanese AAR! [:D] For me kamis worked best as part of a larger strike mission. Usually there would also be DB and TB flying. That's not to say they can't work on their own. I also had many successful smaller strikes with kamis. Training for them is just low naval, so anything that uses it already is good. I trained low naval exclusively with the gazillions of training groups that arrive in 45, and that pushed numbers way up near the end. Some of them are 100+ sized groups and can train low naval pilots to 70 skill in just over a month! [&o] Ideally a kami pilot would be 50+exp/70 low naval. That's it. A lot of mine had good defensive ratings due to their other training though, so that may help get them through. Kami groups will not convert if the pilots are 50+ exp so you have to do a lot of shifting pilots around. A LOT. Imagine 500 planes lost in a strike, and then you have to fill all of those groups with planes and pilots again. Then do it again in a few weeks. Several airframe attributes help kamis get through. First is speed. Second is durability. Third is armor. Fourth is maneuver. Many players focus on biggest load, and this is important (see D4Y4 [:)]) or swarms of low value planes, but it has to get there first. With the lack of coordination introduced in the betas the kami mission became more realistic and less easily handled. Harder to just through out 300 Oscars with 200 escorts as players did years back very successfully. (Also important is range, not to get them through but to get them into the right spots to make a strike, which often means a distant transfer or a LR strike away from known CAP). The best kami planes for me we as follows. 1. Grace - best for DB and TB also. Fast, maneuverable, sadly no armor. Not as big a load, but it hits often. 2. Peggy - fast, more durable, armored and with decent load. 3. Judy D4Y4/D4Y3 - fast, big load! 4. Frances - fast, durable, the only downside is load. 5. Jill - not as fast, but decent, good range. 6. Tsurugi - BIG LOAD, fast, short range, unmaneuverable, extremely low durability and no armor. 7. Any IJA 2E, preferably with armor 8. Any fighter with 2 x 250kg bombs I had great hopes of using swarms of Oscars ala Captain Cruft, but that didn't really happen. Had a few work, but they ust don't fly as often as dedicated strike planes and they're really fragile. If I'd had hundreds of Tsurugi that would have been great, but mostly as last chance invasion stoppers close to shore. There is a lot more in my AAR including the airframe numbers in July 45 when the game ended if you want to have a look. This post might be interesting for you. http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=3567070 Obvert, you're quickly becoming the Mike Solli of late-game Japan. Mike told me how to build them, you're telling me how to lose them.

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