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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Turn: May/Jun 1941
Impulse: 1

Not sure what happened there? [&:] The Italian sub didn't get a throw...

Force H continues on its merry way and takes up station in the Italian Coast. The cruisers Southampton and Belfast take up position in the 4 Section as usual.

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ORIGINAL: brian brian

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Turn: May/Jun 1941
Impulse: 1

Not sure what happened there? [&:] The Italian sub didn't get a throw...

Force H continues on its merry way and takes up station in the Italian Coast. The cruisers Southampton and Belfast take up position in the 4 Section as usual.

That's a bit of a puzzle, but I think was correct. Were there Allied Convoy Points in the West Med? They would not have been included in an interception combat, unless activated by a search roll, but that can never happen for Convoy Points in the 0 box unless a NAV or a CV with a long range plane is already present in the 0 box with the convoys, separate from the moving group. Confused yet?

So it looks like the Italians first used 4 surprise points to pick a SUB combat, but there were no convoy points included in the combat. Interception combats of still moving forces are handled differently than regular combats.

The SUB Combat rule states: Losses inflicted by the SUB side can only be taken on convoys (unless someone spends 3 surprise points to inflict them on another target).

So if the Italians had used their remaining 3 surprise points to pick a target, such as a CV, they would have one result to select, which with a 4 factor SUB on the "0-1" targets row, would have been a Damage result. Either way the Italian SUB was generally toast, taking on such a large enemy force with only a single counter. If they had picked a Surface combat first they would have added an Abort result to what the CW had to absorb.


In general in World in Flames, SUBs aren't usually very good at hitting enemy Carriers, which are all presumed to have ASW planes, equipment, and aircrews trained in ASW combat on-board, which is all one of the playability trade-offs the game makes. In the real war, I think a dozen carriers were sunk by submarines, but you generally won't see that in a game of WiF. In WiF, carrier air assets generally drive off enemy SUBs. A SUB can get lucky on the search dice and sink one, but that is rare; usually the SUBs lose such battles at a steady rate.

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ORIGINAL: Klydon

Bad, bad attack there. You essentially went 3-1 on the assault table straight up and the defenders had a division to give up in case of loss while you had a white print infantry and a mech unit. Can't do that type of stuff, especially in China with the new map.

Even on the regular assault table, you have a 60% chance of losing at least 1 unit as the Japanese while having a 30% chance of having the Chinese lose no units, 40% chance to lose 1 unit (the cav) and only a 30% chance of bagging both units.