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nice to know you only paid $12 but some of us paid $50

also, your long post misses the point entirely, i haven't noticed anyone complaining about the cost of the game - the issue is no direct download only - an issue which cost us a hell of a lot more than you have had to pay, and all for something that is not needed

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ORIGINAL: Fleming

Axel: For the umtpieth time:

the problem is NOT the price of game.
I'm willin to pay the game/manuals/second monitors/ADG coffeemugs that you need etc.
If the game was priced 90 euro: no problemo

The option several people want is this:
pay for the game/manuals and then tick a box 'please throw the manuals in the bin, I don't want to pay shipping/taxes on them'


So, 78 euro for the game + manuals; good for me.
BUT DON'T SHIP THE MANUALS
I would have paid for the manuals by the time I confirmed the order, so I can choose NOT to have them shipped as I have no use for them and I don't want to pay 50-60 euros extra for them to have something I don't need. Keep them in the states in a vault with my name on it for all I care.

Why is this so hard to understand?? [;)]

No the game is not too expensive.
Its about the absurdness of having to pay shipping/taxes for something I don't want.

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ORIGINAL: sanderz

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ORIGINAL: jeffk3510

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ORIGINAL: radic202

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ORIGINAL: 6079SmithW

I bought it and paid the ludicrous $50 Australian for the postage. I really want the game, but honestly I would have preferred to have done without the manuals, even if it meant paying for them and not having them delivered. Delivery adds 50% to the cost, and that really sticks in the craw. I have two copies of the physical game (5th and FE). I would have got by with the rules from those plus referring to the electronic copies of the manuals.

I'm not complaining about the game, which I am very happy to see, but honestly.... The delivery options are appalling. I can't believe that the poor guy who started this thread got slugged the same postage for Canada as for Australia!

Yep can you believe it? Your like 100 times further away?? And on another thread those in the US are simply playing $8.00 to $9.00 for delivery?? WTF? All I ask is that a cheaper delivery fee be an option. Then I will purchase the game, otherwise will be content with my new PS4 and Xbox One that come out Friday of this week and 1 week later.

I live in the Kansas - US, and my shipping was $12. My total was $186.98... far from breaking the bank vs my other hobbies (deer hunting anyone?)

How do you guys plan on Matrix kicking out games, supporting them, and continuing to make more of them if we pay next to nothing for our games?

I recall being a kid and going into a store and paying $10-15 for a computer game. That was also 1990.

I also recall that each and everyone of us here have different financial situations, but Matrix offers a game at a price that the market dictates. Some can afford that, some can't. If they think they can get more for the game, they will try and do that. If they think they should sell it for less, they will do that as well.
If you feel like they're the ones adding the VAT and all of the other requirements of $ to get it into your country then please think again. I HIGHLY doubt they charged $30, when it only costs them $5. But, that is assuming.

I have a fair grasp on shipping costs, IN the US. I run a trading company, that is all we do. That is our largest expense by far, and shipping ISN'T cheap by any means.

Now on the DD only, I have no idea.. I don't make those calls.

This game is a whole nother animal compared to other computer games IMO. Right or wrong.

I do not know how the VAT works, shipping from country to country. Hell, I don't even know what country these are shipping out of, I just know I'll pay whatever I think is fair to get a game I would like. I am not saying anyone here is right or wrong for their thinking of fair... every place is different, and I won't pretend to be an expert.

I paid close to $200 bucks, and I am ok with that knowing I will play this game for a long time I think.

ALSO, paying that much for something means I will spend more time on it vs something I bought for dirt cheap or was given for free. I have more money invested in it...WHICH, I don't think was Matrix's plan, but it could be.

I guess what I am saying is, Matrix has this product for sale with the selected options (maps, no DD only.. yada yada) for reasons the majority if all of us do not know. What I do feel is they have offered it to us at what I consider a reasonable rate for a game that will offer hours of replay ability, and have ongoing support and improvement.

Thanks - jk

nice to know you only paid $12 but some of us paid $50

also, your long post misses the point entirely, i haven't noticed anyone complaining about the cost of the game - the issue is no direct download only - an issue which cost us a hell of a lot more than you have had to pay, and all for something that is not needed

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ORIGINAL: Centuur

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ORIGINAL: Fleming

Axel: For the umtpieth time:

the problem is NOT the price of game.
I'm willin to pay the game/manuals/second monitors/ADG coffeemugs that you need etc.
If the game was priced 90 euro: no problemo

The option several people want is this:
pay for the game/manuals and then tick a box 'please throw the manuals in the bin, I don't want to pay shipping/taxes on them'


So, 78 euro for the game + manuals; good for me.
BUT DON'T SHIP THE MANUALS
I would have paid for the manuals by the time I confirmed the order, so I can choose NOT to have them shipped as I have no use for them and I don't want to pay 50-60 euros extra for them to have something I don't need. Keep them in the states in a vault with my name on it for all I care.

Why is this so hard to understand?? [;)]

No the game is not too expensive.
Its about the absurdness of having to pay shipping/taxes for something I don't want.

Than don't buy it (or wait until the European warehouse opens, so shipping cost are lower...). You haven't got a choice with this, I'm afraid...

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ORIGINAL: Centuur

You haven't got a choice with this, I'm afraid...

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ORIGINAL: Fleming

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ORIGINAL: Centuur

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ORIGINAL: Fleming

Axel: For the umtpieth time:

the problem is NOT the price of game.
I'm willin to pay the game/manuals/second monitors/ADG coffeemugs that you need etc.
If the game was priced 90 euro: no problemo

The option several people want is this:
pay for the game/manuals and then tick a box 'please throw the manuals in the bin, I don't want to pay shipping/taxes on them'


So, 78 euro for the game + manuals; good for me.
BUT DON'T SHIP THE MANUALS
I would have paid for the manuals by the time I confirmed the order, so I can choose NOT to have them shipped as I have no use for them and I don't want to pay 50-60 euros extra for them to have something I don't need. Keep them in the states in a vault with my name on it for all I care.

Why is this so hard to understand?? [;)]

No the game is not too expensive.
Its about the absurdness of having to pay shipping/taxes for something I don't want.

Than don't buy it (or wait until the European warehouse opens, so shipping cost are lower...). You haven't got a choice with this, I'm afraid...

Excactly.
And that's why several people keep on venting their frustration about this.
Hopefully if enough people insist on this and sales are lower than expected, Matrix will offer download only (FOR THE SAME PRICE) soon.
What else can we do?

We can only try to have the option.

When nobody would be complaining but just going 'pff, I don't care, back to playing football manager 14'; Matrix would not have the extra sales AND would not have this feedback of why.
At least we are saying WHY we are not considering buying.
You guys can just continue to play the game; we"re not reaching out to you [8D]

If I don't eat well in a restaurant I have 2 options:
shut my mouth, leave and never come back.
or:
criticise the food so the chef can adjust his cooking if the remarks are uttered by several clients.
Its called feedback [:D]

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ORIGINAL: AxelNL

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ORIGINAL: Fleming

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ORIGINAL: Centuur

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ORIGINAL: Fleming

Axel: For the umtpieth time:

the problem is NOT the price of game.
I'm willin to pay the game/manuals/second monitors/ADG coffeemugs that you need etc.
If the game was priced 90 euro: no problemo

The option several people want is this:
pay for the game/manuals and then tick a box 'please throw the manuals in the bin, I don't want to pay shipping/taxes on them'


So, 78 euro for the game + manuals; good for me.
BUT DON'T SHIP THE MANUALS
I would have paid for the manuals by the time I confirmed the order, so I can choose NOT to have them shipped as I have no use for them and I don't want to pay 50-60 euros extra for them to have something I don't need. Keep them in the states in a vault with my name on it for all I care.

Why is this so hard to understand?? [;)]

No the game is not too expensive.
Its about the absurdness of having to pay shipping/taxes for something I don't want.

Than don't buy it (or wait until the European warehouse opens, so shipping cost are lower...). You haven't got a choice with this, I'm afraid...

Excactly.
And that's why several people keep on venting their frustration about this.
Hopefully if enough people insist on this and sales are lower than expected, Matrix will offer download only (FOR THE SAME PRICE) soon.
What else can we do?

We can only try to have the option.

When nobody would be complaining but just going 'pff, I don't care, back to playing football manager 14'; Matrix would not have the extra sales AND would not have this feedback of why.
At least we are saying WHY we are not considering buying.
You guys can just continue to play the game; we"re not reaching out to you [8D]

If I don't eat well in a restaurant I have 2 options:
shut my mouth, leave and never come back.
or:
criticise the food so the chef can adjust his cooking if the remarks are uttered by several clients.
Its called feedback [:D]

Order and eat first, than you can criticise.

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ORIGINAL: Fleming

Axel: For the umtpieth time:

the problem is NOT the price of game.
I'm willin to pay the game/manuals/second monitors/ADG coffeemugs that you need etc.
If the game was priced 90 euro: no problemo

The option several people want is this:
pay for the game/manuals and then tick a box 'please throw the manuals in the bin, I don't want to pay shipping/taxes on them'


So, 78 euro for the game + manuals; good for me.
BUT DON'T SHIP THE MANUALS
I would have paid for the manuals by the time I confirmed the order, so I can choose NOT to have them shipped as I have no use for them and I don't want to pay 50-60 euros extra for them to have something I don't need. Keep them in the states in a vault with my name on it for all I care.

Why is this so hard to understand?? [;)]

No the game is not too expensive.
Its about the absurdness of having to pay shipping/taxes for something I don't want.

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ORIGINAL: radic202

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ORIGINAL: sanderz

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ORIGINAL: jeffk3510

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ORIGINAL: radic202

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ORIGINAL: 6079SmithW

I bought it and paid the ludicrous $50 Australian for the postage. I really want the game, but honestly I would have preferred to have done without the manuals, even if it meant paying for them and not having them delivered. Delivery adds 50% to the cost, and that really sticks in the craw. I have two copies of the physical game (5th and FE). I would have got by with the rules from those plus referring to the electronic copies of the manuals.

I'm not complaining about the game, which I am very happy to see, but honestly.... The delivery options are appalling. I can't believe that the poor guy who started this thread got slugged the same postage for Canada as for Australia!

Yep can you believe it? Your like 100 times further away?? And on another thread those in the US are simply playing $8.00 to $9.00 for delivery?? WTF? All I ask is that a cheaper delivery fee be an option. Then I will purchase the game, otherwise will be content with my new PS4 and Xbox One that come out Friday of this week and 1 week later.

I live in the Kansas - US, and my shipping was $12. My total was $186.98... far from breaking the bank vs my other hobbies (deer hunting anyone?)

How do you guys plan on Matrix kicking out games, supporting them, and continuing to make more of them if we pay next to nothing for our games?

I recall being a kid and going into a store and paying $10-15 for a computer game. That was also 1990.

I also recall that each and everyone of us here have different financial situations, but Matrix offers a game at a price that the market dictates. Some can afford that, some can't. If they think they can get more for the game, they will try and do that. If they think they should sell it for less, they will do that as well.
If you feel like they're the ones adding the VAT and all of the other requirements of $ to get it into your country then please think again. I HIGHLY doubt they charged $30, when it only costs them $5. But, that is assuming.

I have a fair grasp on shipping costs, IN the US. I run a trading company, that is all we do. That is our largest expense by far, and shipping ISN'T cheap by any means.

Now on the DD only, I have no idea.. I don't make those calls.

This game is a whole nother animal compared to other computer games IMO. Right or wrong.

I do not know how the VAT works, shipping from country to country. Hell, I don't even know what country these are shipping out of, I just know I'll pay whatever I think is fair to get a game I would like. I am not saying anyone here is right or wrong for their thinking of fair... every place is different, and I won't pretend to be an expert.

I paid close to $200 bucks, and I am ok with that knowing I will play this game for a long time I think.

ALSO, paying that much for something means I will spend more time on it vs something I bought for dirt cheap or was given for free. I have more money invested in it...WHICH, I don't think was Matrix's plan, but it could be.

I guess what I am saying is, Matrix has this product for sale with the selected options (maps, no DD only.. yada yada) for reasons the majority if all of us do not know. What I do feel is they have offered it to us at what I consider a reasonable rate for a game that will offer hours of replay ability, and have ongoing support and improvement.

Thanks - jk

nice to know you only paid $12 but some of us paid $50

also, your long post misses the point entirely, i haven't noticed anyone complaining about the cost of the game - the issue is no direct download only - an issue which cost us a hell of a lot more than you have had to pay, and all for something that is not needed

Wow, $186.00 and he lives in the US?? And only $12.00 for shipping? Unless he purchased the map as well, then that is your purgative and we do have the option NOT to purchase it! And still both manuals and map at $12.00 shipping? Awesome!

MY ENTIRE POINT is NOT the price of the game: it is the ridiculous amount I have to pay to get it to me.

If I had a $12.00 option for shipping the game to me? I would be enjoying it like all the rest of you and been on my merry way. But no, I pay the exact same rate as if I lived in Australia or the land of the Kiwis, heck if I lived on Wallis & Futuna Islands, I would gladly pay that $50.00 to get it to me. I am in Canada, not overseas!

I am getting angry at this because it seems that those who are willing to "waste" and waste is the correct term here when you are giving FedEx $50.00 of your hard earned money to get bragging rights "that my Epeen" has more money then your "Epeen" kind of thing. I have the money to purchase the game 100 times over and not make a dent on my credit card statement but I do also have the smarts not to be taken to the cleaners by outrageous shipping charges to my country, which happens to be a little North of the US, not on another continent, not another planet but for many a short drive North.

I ask my American Friends, if they were charged over $50.00 plus a 50/50 chance of having a Custom Excise Tax added (not blaming Matrix here) to their purchase, would they all feel so inclined to by it at the same prices the rest of the gaming world is? Then to come over here and "rub it in" with a hobby is a hobby is a hobby?

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ORIGINAL: jeffk3510

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ORIGINAL: Fleming

Axel: For the umtpieth time:

the problem is NOT the price of game.
I'm willin to pay the game/manuals/second monitors/ADG coffeemugs that you need etc.
If the game was priced 90 euro: no problemo

The option several people want is this:
pay for the game/manuals and then tick a box 'please throw the manuals in the bin, I don't want to pay shipping/taxes on them'


So, 78 euro for the game + manuals; good for me.
BUT DON'T SHIP THE MANUALS
I would have paid for the manuals by the time I confirmed the order, so I can choose NOT to have them shipped as I have no use for them and I don't want to pay 50-60 euros extra for them to have something I don't need. Keep them in the states in a vault with my name on it for all I care.

Why is this so hard to understand?? [;)]

No the game is not too expensive.
Its about the absurdness of having to pay shipping/taxes for something I don't want.

That is like saying, I want to buy just the car, but please don't include the tires, they're too expensive and I don't want them.

They're offering the product, at this time, with the manuals and the shipping to get it to you.

If you don't want it that way at this time, don't buy it.

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ORIGINAL: jeffk3510

I just re edited my post about DD.. after you posted though.

I would bet they allow just a DD at some point.. right now people will pay for the whole shebang..

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ORIGINAL: Fleming

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ORIGINAL: jeffk3510

I just re edited my post about DD.. after you posted though.

I would bet they allow just a DD at some point.. right now people will pay for the whole shebang..

I hope so too...
Well, for the moment it is what it is.

I'd sure would like to live next to your cows though. Would help me decide getting this game a bit faster [:D]

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ORIGINAL: AxelNL
You have the choice to either wait until you visit the US or a trade fair such as Essen to save on both, or not to buy at all.

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ORIGINAL: AxelNL
Manuals are beautifull, by the way. Visitors seeing them comment on them, and react in awe as they immediatly position the software product accordingly. They value in that way the product in their way.

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ORIGINAL: jeffk3510
That is like saying, I want to buy just the car, but please don't include the tires, they're too expensive and I don't want them.

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ORIGINAL: Mat_Jack

I'm not trying to keep something going that should probably end since it seems like it should, but I had to post something that helped me.

For me I wanted to get around FedEx shipments getting delivered to someone else when shipped to my house.......So I entered my work address and had shipment sent to work address because I wanted the books and DVD.

Possible option A

Before odering find another person with an address within the US that you trust. When ordering select the option to ship to an another address (billing and email are you, shipping is a buddy in the US = $9.00).

Get the email and use digital stuff and:

1) have the buddy destroy the DVD and any serial number stuff and let him keep the books

2) as for #1 but donate the books to Goodwill

3) have buddy ship some or all to you using regular postal mail


Possible option B (live outside of US with no friends in US and do not want hardcopy stuff)

Use your billing and email information and have the shipping address entered as MAtrix themselves and AFTER placing the order send them a note to donate the books to goodwill or keep as inventory to use for damaged replacements.


Option B above means you pay for material not being used BUT it seems to me that theres no way around that now and there may be no way around this later but it may give some of you who want the game but not huge shipping and associated boarder fees a solution

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ORIGINAL: AxelNL
You have the choice to either wait until you visit the US or a trade fair such as Essen to save on both, or not to buy at all.

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ORIGINAL: 76mm

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ORIGINAL: AxelNL
You have the choice to either wait until you visit the US or a trade fair such as Essen to save on both, or not to buy at all.

Yeah, this is a really reasonable set of options for a product which could be offered 100% digitally [8|]

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ORIGINAL: AxelNL
Manuals are beautifull, by the way. Visitors seeing them comment on them, and react in awe as they immediatly position the software product accordingly. They value in that way the product in their way.

I'm not sure if we're to take this post seriously, but some of us don't attach much value to this line of reasoning.

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ORIGINAL: jeffk3510
That is like saying, I want to buy just the car, but please don't include the tires, they're too expensive and I don't want them.

No, actually, it is nothing like that, because tires are in fact necessary to operate the car. This is more like a dealer saying that you can only buy the car if you also pay 1/2 the price of the car to the stereo shop next door for a really cool car stereo, because you can't really appreciate this car without good music (a large amount paid to a third party for something which is both unnecessary and unwanted).