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rkr1958 -> Fall Weiss AAR (Colonel) vs AI (12/25/2013 3:47:25 PM)

I purchased Panzer Corps along with the 1939 and 1940 DLC expansion kits 2-years ago. I really like this game; but have focused most of my gaming energies on Commander Europe at War Grand Strategy (CEaW-GS). In fact, I’ve written well over a dozen AARs over the past 5-years. Since July I’ve completed two AARs, one against the AI and one hotseat. Reference: AAR vs AI and Hotseat AAR

I pick this game (i.e., Panzer Corps) back up in the last week and started playing it again. In reality, I’ve never got past Operation Weserubung before I got distracted and fully involved with CEaW-GS. It wasn’t that I didn’t want to go deeper in the Panzer Corps Grand Campaign scenario. It was just the time realities of work and family constraining the time I had available for gaming. I know … I should have got my gaming priorities straight and not let other things get in the way. This time I’ve decided to allocate my limited time for gaming to play through the Grand Campaign Scenario at the default setting (i.e., Colonel).

To refamiliarize myself with Panzer Corps I went back through the tutorial (all decisive victories) and the Fall Weiss (decisive) and Operation Weserubung (marginal). I’ve also come back to this forum for tips on strategy and mechanics of play. Personally, I’ve found AARs instructive and fun to read. One thing I noticed in this forum, compared to the one for CEaW over at Slitherine, was the lack of AARs. This is not meant as a ding but just an observation.

PDF versions of the campaigns completed to date:

Fall Weiss AAR PDF

Operation Weserubung PDF AAR

Fall Gelb AAR PDF




rkr1958 -> RE: Interest in AAR? (12/27/2013 6:20:06 PM)

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rkr1958 -> RE: Interest in AAR? (12/27/2013 6:21:06 PM)

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rkr1958 -> RE: Interest in AAR? (12/27/2013 6:21:28 PM)

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rkr1958 -> RE: Interest in AAR? (12/27/2013 6:21:51 PM)

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rkr1958 -> RE: Interest in AAR? (12/27/2013 11:47:50 PM)

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rkr1958 -> RE: Interest in AAR? (12/28/2013 1:58:22 PM)

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Orm -> RE: Fall Weiss AAR (Colonel) vs AI (12/28/2013 2:16:24 PM)

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Is there any interest for an AAR against the AI (grand campaign 1939 ¡V 1945)? If so, I¡¦d be willing to do this and at the level of detail illustrated in my CEaW-GS AARs referenced above. I certainly wouldn¡¦t want to do this without any interest and participation from the community. So, is there any interest and willingness to participate (i.e., comment on and provide constructive criticism on my play) in an AAR?

I would eagerly follow this AAR but I suspect that I would not make many comments.

I haven't played the grand campaign past 1940 myself.




rkr1958 -> RE: Fall Weiss AAR (Colonel) vs AI (12/28/2013 2:31:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Orm

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Is there any interest for an AAR against the AI (grand campaign 1939 ¡V 1945)? If so, I¡¦d be willing to do this and at the level of detail illustrated in my CEaW-GS AARs referenced above. I certainly wouldn¡¦t want to do this without any interest and participation from the community. So, is there any interest and willingness to participate (i.e., comment on and provide constructive criticism on my play) in an AAR?

I would eagerly follow this AAR but I suspect that I would not make many comments.

I haven't played the grand campaign past 1940 myself.

Orm - Thanks. By the way, I'm following 3 AARs over in the MWiF forum and are thoroughly enjoying them. I can tell by your comments in those AAR's that you're one of the WiF experts and really understand that game as well as anyone can. I've never played it myself. I'm definitely intrigued by MWiF; but also intimidated by the complexity of the rules and length of time a game takes. Maybe one day I'll take the plunge but for now I guess I'll stick with the level of complexity and length of play of Panzer Corps, CEaW Grand Strategy and Battlefield Academy. Though I will continue to follow those AARs.




rkr1958 -> RE: Fall Weiss AAR (Colonel) vs AI (12/28/2013 2:32:52 PM)

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rkr1958 -> RE: Fall Weiss AAR (Colonel) vs AI (12/28/2013 4:28:02 PM)

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rkr1958 -> RE: Fall Weiss AAR (Colonel) vs AI (12/28/2013 5:32:24 PM)

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rkr1958 -> RE: Fall Weiss AAR (Colonel) vs AI (12/28/2013 5:35:21 PM)

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rkr1958 -> RE: Fall Weiss AAR (Colonel) vs AI (12/28/2013 10:06:43 PM)

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rkr1958 -> RE: Fall Weiss AAR (Colonel) vs AI (12/28/2013 11:36:19 PM)

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Orm -> RE: Fall Weiss AAR (Colonel) vs AI (12/29/2013 10:54:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: rkr1958

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Here you see Lodz controlled by Poland although you have a German unit railed into the city. Weird.




rkr1958 -> RE: Fall Weiss AAR (Colonel) vs AI (12/29/2013 1:05:48 PM)

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rkr1958 -> RE: Fall Weiss AAR (Colonel) vs AI (12/29/2013 1:07:24 PM)

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Horseman78 -> RE: Fall Weiss AAR (Colonel) vs AI (12/29/2013 1:23:25 PM)

Looking good so far..I like your AARs on the Slitherine forum for Commander Europe at War Grand Strategy (CEaW-GS) and this ones looking like it'll be as interesting.

One little tip - at the end of the first mission you wrote you took the opportunity to bring units not in the action up to full strength. DON'T do this...normal reinforcements are free in the deployment phase and elite reinforcements are half the cost so if you don't need them for the current scenario just keep them under strength until you deploy for the next [;)]




rkr1958 -> RE: Fall Weiss AAR (Colonel) vs AI (12/29/2013 1:31:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Horseman78

Looking good so far..I like your AARs on the Slitherine forum for Commander Europe at War Grand Strategy (CEaW-GS) and this ones looking like it'll be as interesting.

One little tip - at the end of the first mission you wrote you took the opportunity to bring units not in the action up to full strength. DON'T do this...normal reinforcements are free in the deployment phase and elite reinforcements are half the cost so if you don't need them for the current scenario just keep them under strength until you deploy for the next [;)]
Wow -- didn't know that! As you'll see in the deployment phase of Operation Wesereubung I don't have enough Prestige points to do what I want and I have to make a hard choice.

I can guarantee that I'll make more bone headed mistakes -- please keep pointing those out and, especially, keep the tips coming. [;)]




Horseman78 -> RE: Fall Weiss AAR (Colonel) vs AI (12/29/2013 3:46:39 PM)

If you haven't already completed Norway here's a quick tip some one posted on my AAR several years ago

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Here's a trick for getting just a little more Prestige that you can do next time. On Norway, don't take Trondheim and leave the Victory Hex unoccupied (you can leave a unit next to it so no new enemy units appear). Take Nasmos in the north and then wait it out to the final turn (you can now move the unit away from Trondheim if you want some enemy units to shoot at and get some experience while you wait). Now, the reason you want to get a Marginal Victory is there is no penalty (you still end up at the Low Countries), but you get over 500 more Prestige by waiting to the last turn (instead of getting the Decisive Victory). It is a quirk that I've noted to the developers and hopefully will be addressed (you really should get more Prestige for a DV over a MV). So, when I started Low Countries, my Prestige was at 2681 and was just enough to do all my purchases and upgrades shown above. If you get the DV, then you'll start LC with 500 less Prestige and have to make some tough choices.


I don't know for certain if you get more prestige for a MV now as its been a few years and patches but it'd be easy enough to check




rkr1958 -> RE: Fall Weiss AAR (Colonel) vs AI (12/29/2013 4:35:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Horseman78

If you haven't already completed Norway here's a quick tip some one posted on my AAR several years ago

quote:

Here's a trick for getting just a little more Prestige that you can do next time. On Norway, don't take Trondheim and leave the Victory Hex unoccupied (you can leave a unit next to it so no new enemy units appear). Take Nasmos in the north and then wait it out to the final turn (you can now move the unit away from Trondheim if you want some enemy units to shoot at and get some experience while you wait). Now, the reason you want to get a Marginal Victory is there is no penalty (you still end up at the Low Countries), but you get over 500 more Prestige by waiting to the last turn (instead of getting the Decisive Victory). It is a quirk that I've noted to the developers and hopefully will be addressed (you really should get more Prestige for a DV over a MV). So, when I started Low Countries, my Prestige was at 2681 and was just enough to do all my purchases and upgrades shown above. If you get the DV, then you'll start LC with 500 less Prestige and have to make some tough choices.


I don't know for certain if you get more prestige for a MV now as its been a few years and patches but it'd be easy enough to check
Interesting -- that's a bit too gamey for my tastes. And anyway my ego won't let me play for anything less than a decisive victory. Though the enemy has a lot to say about the level of my victory too. For that matter, whether or not I win. Well, the quality of my play is a significant factor too. [:)]

By the way, I'm still in the deployment phase, which I should post a little later. [8D]




Horseman78 -> RE: Fall Weiss AAR (Colonel) vs AI (12/29/2013 4:46:27 PM)

Yeah its a little gamey to be fair and IMO you wont need the extra prestige. In my AAR I also played at Colonel and Prestige problems were pretty much gone after the first few scenarios and IIRC I was reinforcing during scenarios (something that is nigh on impossible to afford on Rommel difficulty!)




rkr1958 -> RE: Fall Weiss AAR (Colonel) vs AI (12/29/2013 4:50:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: rkr1958

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ORIGINAL: Horseman78

If you haven't already completed Norway here's a quick tip some one posted on my AAR several years ago

quote:

Here's a trick for getting just a little more Prestige that you can do next time. On Norway, don't take Trondheim and leave the Victory Hex unoccupied (you can leave a unit next to it so no new enemy units appear). Take Nasmos in the north and then wait it out to the final turn (you can now move the unit away from Trondheim if you want some enemy units to shoot at and get some experience while you wait). Now, the reason you want to get a Marginal Victory is there is no penalty (you still end up at the Low Countries), but you get over 500 more Prestige by waiting to the last turn (instead of getting the Decisive Victory). It is a quirk that I've noted to the developers and hopefully will be addressed (you really should get more Prestige for a DV over a MV). So, when I started Low Countries, my Prestige was at 2681 and was just enough to do all my purchases and upgrades shown above. If you get the DV, then you'll start LC with 500 less Prestige and have to make some tough choices.


I don't know for certain if you get more prestige for a MV now as its been a few years and patches but it'd be easy enough to check
Interesting -- that's a bit too gamey for my tastes. And anyway my ego won't let me play for anything less than a decisive victory. Though the enemy has a lot to say about the level of my victory too. For that matter, whether or not I win. Well, the quality of my play is a significant factor too. [:)]

By the way, I'm still in the deployment phase, which I should post a little later. [8D]

Oh, I think might understand what's going on with respect to the tip. I played this scenario (not for this AAR) a few days ago and had captured the 6 objectives required for a marginal victory. I was also closing on Namsos but when I hit turn 17 the game ended because I currently had a marginal victory and now it was impossible to achieve a decisive one. I think the tip is that if you can't capture Namsos by turn 16 then you can only continue the game if you don't control 1 or more of the other 6 objectives. If the game ends early with a marginal victory then you don't get the prestige points for Namsos, Steinkjer and the adjacent airbase. So maybe the tip isn't as gamey as I originally though since the game can end prematurely in my opinion. So, if it looks like a decisive victory becomes out of reach then I may try to extend the game in order to captured the remaining Norwegian cities and gain the extra prestige points.




rkr1958 -> RE: Fall Weiss AAR (Colonel) vs AI (12/29/2013 6:07:41 PM)

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rkr1958 -> RE: Fall Weiss AAR (Colonel) vs AI (12/29/2013 10:07:30 PM)

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dougo33 -> RE: Fall Weiss AAR (Colonel) vs AI (12/30/2013 1:38:32 AM)

I am enjoying reading this and look forward to the updates to your campaign. I just bought the entire PC version of this as a present for myself (and then managed to sneak buying the iPad version of the base game past the wife). So I am looking forward to comparing how I do my campaign to how you do yours.

Keep up the good work and well detailed screens





rkr1958 -> RE: Fall Weiss AAR (Colonel) vs AI (12/30/2013 4:55:06 AM)


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ORIGINAL: dougo33

I am enjoying reading this and look forward to the updates to your campaign. I just bought the entire PC version of this as a present for myself (and then managed to sneak buying the iPad version of the base game past the wife). So I am looking forward to comparing how I do my campaign to how you do yours.

Keep up the good work and well detailed screens


I have to warn you that this game is addictive. I just want to keep playing one more turn and before I know it's midnight. [:)] By the way, keep me update on how you're doing ...




rkr1958 -> RE: Fall Weiss AAR (Colonel) vs AI (12/30/2013 4:56:12 AM)

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rkr1958 -> RE: Fall Weiss AAR (Colonel) vs AI (12/30/2013 1:47:33 PM)

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